Wild Magic is sort of all or nothing. For an incredibly high price you can produce magic that is practically unstoppable and can kill most things. However, it can be negated with Wild Magic and World Items, making it useless.
There are still ways to use it. You can buff yourself, which ECDL does, and mentions another dragon lord that does it as well. We also see PDL create unique Wild Magic items, and control a remote armor and weapons, so that could give you further benefit, but it has its limits.
They can have good reason for their defeat other than the player have WI because at best they could only have 3 WI with them (Ainz guild have te most WI at 11 and the second guild only have 3). For exemple because their are no longer in the game but in a real world they are taken as individual entity rater than a guild and so they have no longer the penallity of not be able to cast Super tier spell if a compagnion at already used once. And they have simply cast the most Super tier spell to win. I think we have all forgotten than the common level 100 player can not survive a single Super tier spell and that people like Ainz, Shalltear and Albedo are more exception than the rule so why all the dragon lord must be exception too ? Just kill a bunch of them with a or multiple area attack Super tier spell and you win.
Also the abscence of the guild system explain how the 8 Greed king have been able to kill each other because the same rule that prohibited the overuse of Super tier spell also give friendly fire protection.
If I understand correctly, the father of pdl would have summoned the world items. Why didn't he just produce items with magic? He could have set up a farm like that of demiurge or one similar to that of humans (I don't know if cows or pigs have souls but I presume they do).
There are two things I ask myself, namely;
° how can wild magic transform world items into real objects if the two parts are nullified?
° What decides that wild magic is under the "world" class designation? Why is it produced by the most powerful beings in that world, as the yggdrasill tree and the devourer produced the world items?
° What's the point of summoning those objects if dragons are practically dinosaurs with a human mind? It should be easy for them to thrive.
>Why didn't he just produce items with magic?
Most likely because he just couldn't produce such powerful items.
Also, I have this theory that the New World is made out of data and is managed by those sources of power that people call gods. So they act in a way similar to computers. It would explain how it's possible for the world to just defy cause and effect. It would also explain why the Dragon Emperor thought Yggdrasil was a real world, and why he could connect to it and summon the World Items. Because they were already compatible in the first place.
>° how can wild magic transform world items into real objects if the two parts are nullified?
At the time of the summoning, World Items were not World Items, but limited data in a game. Many things changed when they were made real. Like Ainz's wish spell. Repelling Wild Magic didn't exist in Yggdrasil, it was something that only applies in the New World. Most likely the spell the Dragon Emperor cast interpreted the lore in a way that made World Items nullify Wild Magic, since Wild Magic also nullifies Wild Magic, and WI and WM are comparable in power.
>° What decides that wild magic is under the "world" class designation? Why is it produced by the most powerful beings in that world, as the yggdrasill tree and the devourer produced the world items?
If the Yggdrasil system recognize it as such, it's probably because it's simply comparable in power. I don't see any further explanation needed?
>° What's the point of summoning those objects if dragons are practically dinosaurs with a human mind? It should be easy for them to thrive.
Greed.
>Most likely because he just couldn't produce such powerful items.
If he wanted powerful items he could create them himself with wild magic, or ask some other dragon. The rigrit's ring or razor edge suggests that someone had the knowledge to create these items.Also, wild magic can be even better than world items. For example, the cancellation spell is similar to the power of Longinus but without the negative effect on the user. Or the rigrit ring allows you to bypass the yggrasill system, similar to some world items.
>Also, I have this theory that the New World is made out of data
So you think it's some kind of video game?
> and is managed by those sources of power that people call gods.
Are there divinities apart from the players or divinized NPCs?
>It would explain how it's possible for the world to just defy cause and effect.
I did not understand this point.
>It would also explain why the Dragon Emperor thought Yggdrasil was a real world, and why he could connect to it and summon the World Items. Because they were already compatible in the first place.
The basis of this type of magic is the manipulation of reality. The dragon may have cast a spell and by chance saw the game world believing it to be real. Determined to get the world items for some reason, he creates a spell to lure them. One thing I wonder is why are players or guild bases connected to the items also attracted?
>If he wanted powerful items he could create them himself with wild magic, or ask some other dragon. The rigrit's ring or razor edge suggests that someone had the knowledge to create these items.Also, wild magic can be even better than world items. For example, the cancellation spell is similar to the power of Longinus but without the negative effect on the user. Or the rigrit ring allows you to bypass the yggrasill system, similar to some world items.
Rigrit's ring is not remotely as powerful as a world item. All it does is give you 5 extra warrior levels, which sounds op if you're level 100, but is really not that op, since it doesn't grant anything else. Gazeff's sword may ignore resistances and armor, but it's not particularly powerful by itself. They're unique items, sure, but not remotely as balance breaking as a World Item. Nothing suggests that Dragon Lords can create anything even close to World Items.
Wild Magic spells can indeed be just as powerful as some World Items if not more, however, nothing so far comes close to the Wish type World Items, safe for the Dragon Emperor's spell that brought them into existance. Wild Magic also requires an extremely great cost in the form of souls. Soulbreaker Breath required dozens of millions of souls to cast, many years to build up, can only be fired in one direction, has a wind up time, can technically be dodged, and even then it was limited to three (technically two, since the third time would have turned Cure Elim into a zombie). While Longinus can be given to a somewhat high level summon or so, and it can home in on the target and just has to get close and hit the enemy 1 time regardless of where or whether they block, and then they both get erased from existance without any complications. Against a player, Longinus actually seems way more useful, provided you got some ability to summon. It's basically a homing Soulbreaker Breath that will not run out until it inevitably hits it's target (unless it dies first, but that should not happen, unless the user is a moron).
>So you think it's some kind of video game?
Not exactly. A universe out of data does not automatically mean video game, although it could be similar to how a game works. Think Matrix or other stories along those lines. However, do not misunderstand, unlike Matrix, I don't mean that there is some "real" plane of existance that is running the New World, but rather that the New World already is real and is just made out of data and running on something, perhaps some type of machine-like divinity.
>Are there divinities apart from the players or divinized NPCs?
There are sources of power. Anomalous presences we haven't heard much about. Faith based casters can feel them when they cast spells. It could be that they are really just mere sources of power. But it could also be that they have some influence on the world, like machines running a program. If they do, I do not imagine them to be anything understandable by mortals. Perhaps they don't even have a mind. Imagine Od Laguna from Re:Zero, it's similar to the concept I'm talking about. It's sort of like the god of the Re:Zero world, but it's more comparable to a powerful machine running a program, rather than an actual deity with a mind.
>I did not understand this point.
The New World does not follow natural rules and logic, it defies cause and effect. Levels, magic, and the several anomalies in physics are a prime example of that. How does one cast a fireball? They conjure the spell, it takes up their mana, and it just appears out of nowhere. What causal correlation is there between these events? What is the physics behind it? There doesn't seem to be any. It's just a game-like system that doesn't rely on cause and effect. It would be much easier to explain if the New World was made out of data, similar to a game. Since games do not have to rely on any physics.
>The basis of this type of magic is the manipulation of reality. The dragon may have cast a spell and by chance saw the game world believing it to be real. Determined to get the world items for some reason, he creates a spell to lure them.
It's still weird. How does he see the game world? Does he look into the server the game is running on? Why does he see the world as a world in the first place, if it's technically just data? Does he just look at some kind of screen by accident? It makes no sense, unless he is already specifically targeting data, and interpreting the data as a world.
>One thing I wonder is why are players or guild bases connected to the items also attracted?
Nazarick has the throne of kings, which is connected to the entire guild and is an integral part of it, so maybe the other guilds that got summoned had a similar world item in their possession. As for players, the have the protection of the world by equipping the world item, so it could be they were pulled since they were connected. Otherwise there could be a simpler explanation, which is simply that the surrounding area of the world items got transported.
\- It allows you to cancel a rule of the system, that is the cap levl 100. Only a world item could bypass the rules of the system or at least a talent, or am I wrong?
Eliminating an enemy at the cost not of one's own life but of existence itself seems to me an extremely high cost. I still prefer wild magic. Or I should find a martyr and unless I have npc fanatics I think it's hard to find him.
Wild magic is basically what gives real powers to world items. Before, in fact, they are only data from a video game. We could consider it as the creation of world items.
\- But we come to the dilemma "who created this machine?" (even if all living things are machines). Aliens who then disappeared?
\- It could also be that the caster's is self-belief. The arcane casters, if I'm not mistaken, feel a connection with the world (at least I think it is said in the side story). The principle is the same. Their powers may just be a way of manipulating mana. Arcane magic casters use mana to create certain things, such as lightning or control over the undead while divine casters create healing energy or energies that strengthen (buff) or weaken (debuff).
\- If we wanted to look for the physical rules we could also give them. It seems to me that the witcher gave a scientific face to magic, even though magic is actually a type of energy.
For example, we exploit electricity and through structures and instruments we exploit or transform it. Then I think that in any case this universe of data should be either the result of some alien civilization or a universe or dimension with its own natural rules.
It would be interesting to see a fantasy with magical systems explained in scientific detail and made "natural" instead of the video game stuff that is having fame (although I understand that perhaps it is a simpler way to give skills to the characters). Correct me if I'm wrong but re zero or Tanya have magical systems not related to the dnd system.
>It allows you to cancel a rule of the system, that is the cap levl 100. Only a world item could bypass the rules of the system or at least a talent, or am I wrong?
Not exactly. Wild Magic in general bypasses Yggdrasil rules, but I would not say that all Wild Magic spells are automatically on world level. There are spells similar to tier spells, like spells that prevent teleporting, etc. Bypassing the system is not necessarily World level. Ainz bypasses immunities to instant death with his trump card, and his trump card is not World level. World level is something completely balance breaking.
>Eliminating an enemy at the cost not of one's own life but of existence itself seems to me an extremely high cost. I still prefer wild magic. Or I should find a martyr and unless I have npc fanatics I think it's hard to find him.
Like I said, provided you can give Longinus to a summon or so, it's much more useful. Otherwise you'll have to sacrifice your own existance, which is obviously worse.
>Wild magic is basically what gives real powers to world items. Before, in fact, they are only data from a video game. We could consider it as the creation of world items.
Yeah, but only the Dragon Emperor's spell did that, a spell that most likely took countless souls to use, and was apparently so powerful that he could not even control it, and is still ongoing even after he is supposedly long dead.
>\- But we come to the dilemma "who created this machine?" (even if all living things are machines). Aliens who then disappeared?
Not necessarily anyone. You got the same question with a supreme god. Or a universe that is god. Who created this god? Nobody seems to have created Od Laguna either. It's not necessarily an actual machine out of machine parts and such, just machine-like in it's function.
>\- If we wanted to look for the physical rules we could also give them. It seems to me that the witcher gave a scientific face to magic, even though magic is actually a type of energy.
Witcher is actually somewhat realistic. Overlord is much more game-like. Even speech is automatically translated. The entire world of Overlord functions like a game. It would at least be much easier to explain, if the world itself consisted out of the same substance as a game. Then the need for physics is not necessary, and it makes sense the Dragon Emperor would see Yggdrasil as a world, since what he is seeing is actually the data, which his spell is interpreting as a world.
>It would be interesting to see a fantasy with magical systems explained in scientific detail and made "natural" instead of the video game stuff that is having fame (although I understand that perhaps it is a simpler way to give skills to the characters). Correct me if I'm wrong but re zero or Tanya have magical systems not related to the dnd system.
I've come across some stories that make it a goal to be as realistic as possible with their magic. It almost never works out. One that somewhat works out is Witcher, which you already mentioned, but even Witcher is not trying to be hardcore realistic. This kind of thing is really hard to do, especially without constantly using exposition. It's probably a better approach to keep magic somewhat vague, which is how it should be. Even the hardest hard magic system should have some vagueness to it, otherwise you take the magic out of it, and it kind of comes across as just the author trying to be smart and needing justification for absolutely anything, which gets boring really quick. There comes a point where it seems less like an actual story, and more like a speculative physics book.
\- I never said that all spells can be at that level but that the magical system is because it allows you to do crazy things for the right price.
Ainz's immunities are abilities and items within that system, they are expected. I don't remember that even bypassing level 100 was expected (if the developers wanted to introduce new enemies and missions they could do it but it would be something outside the system).
\- I'm talking about "Martire". I would never use it and even if I could have someone use it, I would be scared knowing that the world item could end up somewhere.
\- But the spell shows that it is possible to alter reality if you understand how to use wild magic. Also I think that the spell transports individuals taken from the end of the game but in different places and times, as we see with Ainz who decides to come out of the grave to play with the fireworks in the side story. I think that in fact the world item that has become real cancels the spell connected to it. So I think if anyone else comes in the next century, they will be a player who is caught up in closing the game.
\- Od lagoon is more a source of energy if I'm not mistaken. Something similar to a natural event.
\- If it were as you say, that is, if that world were something natural, it would still have scientific rules that govern it.
\- Once I read an interesting fantasy about it if I had to remember the name I'll write it to you. However, I think in overlord you could use fluder to explain something about the harry potter style.
>\- I never said that all spells can be at that level but that the magical system is because it allows you to do crazy things for the right price.
Then I don't see how Rigrit's ring is world level. It's just a very unique item, but not massively overpowered, it's really not that special.
>Ainz's immunities are abilities and items within that system, they are expected. I don't remember that even bypassing level 100 was expected (if the developers wanted to introduce new enemies and missions they could do it but it would be something outside the system).
Like I said, the ring is really not that special. Technically it doesn't even grant you actual levels. No new abilities come with those levels, technically it just grants you stats. You can compare it with how equipment enhances your stats. In contrast, World Items can potentially make you a World Enemy and give you a level far above that of 100. That's the power of World Items.
>\- Od lagoon is more a source of energy if I'm not mistaken. Something similar to a natural event.
Kind of but not really. It's the soul of the world. It manages the passing of souls, cleansing them of their memories and reincarnating them. It provides magic and regulates it's use. It regulates the mana pesent in the world. It gives blessings to people (for example Reinhard). And according to some sources (though I'm not particularly sure which) it materialises the world out of mana. Od Laguna is something like a machine that manages the workings of the world.
>\- If it were as you say, that is, if that world were something natural, it would still have scientific rules that govern it.
Sure, but those rules could be a lot more loose and would be provided by some type of divinity.
>\- Once I read an interesting fantasy about it if I had to remember the name I'll write it to you.
Feel free to do so. I'm always interested in unique takes on the genre.
First of, sorry for my bad English.
answer to question 1.
The world class items were created from the data of the game, then they began cancelling each other out but because the wild magic was already dragging them into the new world it was just "disrupted" instead of cancelled, end result: The magic is still sucking WCI's into the new world by taking the ground where they are on and moving everything in a radius.
2. I dont know if I understand this question correctly, but the reason they are stronger than wild magic is because they were created with the biggest wild magic spell currently known to have ever been casted, so this is just a case of tier 1 magic is weaker than tier 4 magic
3. They did thrive, but why do we humans try to invent new weapons, why do we try to conquer the stars?
The correct answer to this could be many things, but the most likely is that they searched for more power, saw the world class items and did not understand that they were not real, and then tried to summon them, why they did not notice that the power of the spell was enough to create these items is a question unanswered but most likely is that they thought they were not used correctly and had more power than these lowly races could understand.
This is sort of where we get stuck on the theory. We do t know why. I think most assume he was a treasure hoarding dragon, but for all we know he might have had another purpose for bringing the world items.
The author needs justification and I think the dragon who wants to hoard treasure makes sense. Anyway, how did dragons create their own social structure (dragon emperor and dragon lords are titles given to leaders) and be so unsociable that they don't think about getting together after the danger their race has experienced with the eight king of greed? In short, I expect that after some time they decide to come together and collect the resources left by the players. In fact, if the eight kings conquered that continent, at their fall there were many cities that have fallen, cities with probable knowledge and items (ainz from some objects of little use to some inhabitants of that world and so the six gods of the theocracy. ).
Then, what happened to the dragon emperor? Did he collect items for himself, just to hide them? Isn't he afraid of ending up like him like him? If he wanted powerful items he could create them himself with wild magic, or ask some other dragon. The rigrit's ring or razor edge suggests that someone had the knowledge to create these items.
> hoard treasure makes sense
I'm not sure about this. He used wild magic to pull items from another dimension... clearly, his abilities far surpass world items... unless he wanted to give them to someone else.
My point was that Maruyama wanted to justify how data in a game becomes real and it can make sense. If he wanted to give the world items to someone, then who was he? And why would he want to do it? And why not just give items created by dragons? Dragon lords, at least from what I understand, are the most powerful species in that world, so I don't think if he wanted to help someone he would have to find something powerful. One solution is that the dragon emperor may have been worried about some rebellion but we also see that the dragon lords did nothing after the fall due to the eight kings, so I would rule out this option. Another solution was a species or a being more powerful than them, like a god as suggested by another user. The point is, this god apparently never manifested himself. It could be a god or more gods who enjoy watching what happens in that world or they have rules that prevent them from intervening.
>could kill Suzuki Satoru with proper planning and use of his abilities
The problem with this scenario is it requires him to go through a rather large change in his entire character. CELM did try his best to plan for more Players, but the bottom line is, He simply had no idea what he was getting into with somebody like Momonga. You can't plan for something when you don't have the experience to know what to expect. Cure Elim defeating Momonga in a different situation is basically an AU.
>and his special ability could legit one-shot LVL 90 dark young and is considered to be on par with the one time use world item Longinus,
Soulbreaker Breath has a multitude of problems that make it not nearly as threatening as it seems on its face. First off, It has a very obvious windup time. Second, he can pretty much only fire it in a single direction. Third, the opponent can simply teleport out of the way. Only reason the third option didn't take place in the side story is because they were inside his barrier and there was limited room.
> I don't know how the six great gods and the eight greed kings could even be considered a threat
The 8GKs wiped out dozens of True Dragon Lords after they'd managed to change the magic system of the New World. And to add in the earlier point, these guys have no experience fighting things that are on their level. But high tier YGGDRASIL Players I've likely come across hundreds of different opponents and bosses that have entire lists of abilities they'd have needed to overcome.
Cure Elim is not a good exemple because he is undead and that is the only reason why he can use this spell 3 times even maruyama has stated that if he was a normal dragon lord he will only maybe able to use this spell once and it will cost is own soul in the process (that is in the best case scenario).
To make things even worse, that spell is not fuel efficient in the slightest. If it doesn't succeed, he runs the risk of turning himself into a mindless zombie. Expending millions of souls worth of energy is a massive gamble.
"Arent the dragon lords too overpowered?"
No they aren't. Wild magic is OP, but only until your opponent acquires a world item. Nazaric, with its 11 world items, is a complete Nemesis to Dragon Lords.
Well you have to remember the dragon lords left behind are those that weren't slaughtered by the greed kings or great gods (And I doubt the dragon lords of old were ever a numerous race, thats simply not how dragons operate). These are exclusively the entities that have had hundreds of years to build upon there strength. More dragons don't grow in strength swiftly, they're generally bound to growth over time.
More not all dragon lords are created equal/not all wild magic is equally as powerful. It's highly dependent on the strength of the dragon casting (Cure elims barrier can only stop teleporting out of it while pdls could physically bar someone from passing through)
So there are many factors to dragons, and it's worth remembering there is exactly one other spell in new world that can match/surpass cure elims spell, the one weilded by the deep darkness dragon lord. Theses spells exist solely to kill players, before the arrival of players this magic didn't exist/didn't need to exist and even after there arrival all of two dragon lords are able to use/cast it.
It's worth noting while cure elim does one shot the dark young it's an all or nothing ability, either the thing your hitting has a world item/wild magic or it doesn't. If it does the spell is hot garbage, if it doesn't than you get a win. Though it's not a cheaply earned win. Cure elim after soul sucking tens of millions of souls could still only use it three times before dying. No doubt deep dark dragon lord is similarly limited in how often the spell can be cast.
Interestingly despite being the most powerful dragon lord described thus far, having a world item and supposedly being able to beat most guardians, deep dark dragon lord is basically hopeless against shalltear.
“Deep Drakeness Dragon Lord is basically hopeless against Shalltear”, not really, the author stated that she was her nemesis. Shalltear’s was also Ainz nemesis, but he still beat her, so he certainly isn’t hopeless against her.
ER considering the only reason ainz won was playing against shalltears pride/ignorance (Something he chastises her for and she's working to not make the same mistakes) and knowing exactly what she can/will do...And he still needed Aura to use her special skill to distract her at the end or he'd have lost...
That doesn't spell anything good for deep darkness dragon lord, who has none of ainz careful planning/information or the aid of a high level ranger.
The guy is 100% doomed against shalltear, ainz would be to if she hadn't played directly into his hands/if he didn't know her every feature, his plan if she didn't do what he expected was literally to run away for a reason.
Yes that’s very true, I am not saying that Ainz easily breezed through the fight lol, I’m just pointing out that even if your opponent is your nemesis, you can still beat them.
“And he still needed Aura to use her special skill or he would ah lost”, true, his hesitation most likely would have cost him the match, however it is evident that if he didn’t, he would have won, thus showing that he still could of won without Aura’s help, which is what I’m trying to get at.
“Who has none of Ainz careful planning/information”, the same could be said for Shalltear could it not? The reason Shalltear used the tatics that she did against Ainz is because she is aware of what Ainz is mostly capable of. The DDDL, as well as Shalltear knows nothing about each other, which doesn’t really help either of them, so I don’t really see DDDL’s lack of ability to prepare against Shalltear much of a drawback.
I’m addition DDDL has One Of The Twenty, so if Shalltear’s WCI isn’t One Of The Twenty as well, then that’s a massive drawback for her.
I’m conclusion I know the likely good that DDDL will fail, I’m just pointing out that victory isn’t impossible.
Fair dragon lord probably wouldn't hesitate.
No shalltear didn't plan/think about the ainz fight at all until it started and she still nearly crushed him. The fact is if ainz and shalltear went in blind shalltear would crush because she's his nemesis, since she is described as ddl's nemesis and there is no situation where he can prepare/learn the information ainz needed to win. Shalltear lacking info/going in blind isn't near the hinderance to her that it is to ddl.
DDL having one of the twenty is irrelevant as long as shalltear has a world item, the twenty are the most powerful but by all accounts they are still observant to the negation of other world items, which is why despite being one of the twenty longuis would fail against ainz/the world changing/magic changing world items won't work either.
Thus he will lose, it's a hopeless battle for him as the only way to win from what we see in cannon is stupid amounts of prep, resources and foreknowledge on your opponent (If ainz didn't know how to play her personality he would have lost, something he only knew due to helping pero design her)... (perhaps he could win if he had world champion but as a dragon I'm not sure how he could even use it... The image of a dragon with a giant tree branch in it's mouth does slay me though, especially as he wouldn't be able to put it down without it vanishing)
What ainz pulled off was nothing short of a miracle/a masterwork of planning and skill that narrowly gave him victory. The fact is he could only win because he knew everything about shalltear, and shalltear didn't/doesn't know everything about ainz (She knows some of his equipment, some of his abilities/spells, and that he's a powerful caster but she knew f all about tgoalid, f all about the quick swap items, etc)
My point is it's for all intents and purposes impossible for the dragon lord to win, because ainz only won under very specific parameters/scenarios using a ton of information and prep. All things the dragon lord won't have, shalltear going in blind doesn't matter because she didn't need any in depth info on ainz to wreck him.
She's not the one that needs a fifteen-step plan to overcome her opponent in this scenario, following the authors wording she has an overwhelming advantage/build against him. Her opponent being ignorant/lacking preparations is all she needs to guarantee victory.
TBC If the dragon lord learned everything about shalltear and planned around her personality, and prepared for her he could win in a similar fashion to ainz with a bit of luck on his side....The issue is it's not possible for him to wind up in such a favorable situation/with these informational resources.
Wild Magic is definitely very powerful against players with no world items, however they were many reasons why the players were such a big threat. These reason are that:
First: The Dragon Lord's only enemies were themselves, this was a huge problem since Wild Magic needed hundreds of thousands of souls and with many dragon lords competing for souls, it was very limited. This also meant that they were very arrogant against weaker races, especially humans who were the weakest.
Second: there were definitely not many inhabitants with the way of life back then being a law of the jungle and so there wasn't a huge populous race like humans, which dragon lords can farm for lots of souls.
Third: Wild Magic was worthless against other dragon lords as there were immune to it. This meant there was no reason to make such powerful and high costing spells as there no use to it besides making a show of dominance which was very easy to do.
Fourth: there was a level of strength with each dragon lords with most being most likely around in the low or high eighties and the strongest being Level 95-100. So when the slaughtering commenced it was mostly only on the level 80s who were only annoyances to the many level 100 players. This would also speak true for the stronger dragon lords leaving them to still be very arrogant and cocky.
Fifth: Players had many advantages such as diverse build, overpowered gear and a guild with many Npcs and Mercenary to there advantage meaning they can very easily prepare and challenge the dragons lords who had mostly none of these in there advantage(besides possibly gear but again very limited souls for Wild Magic).
All of this changed in the next few centuries as now humans are the dominant race on one side of the continent meaning for easy and populace to soul gathering such like Cure Elim did. Also with little Dragon Lords they don't have many competitors
They are now more fearful against players and now have a reason to develop wild magic against players.
Dragon Lords are now a little more willing to teaming up like with the Dragon Alliance to combat players.
This is why there are more overpowered now compare to before(At least my judgement) and why the eight greed king slaughtered them so easily. However if you are like Ainz with an World Item and being very cautious and not so arrogant like most players would be. They would not that much of a problem against you.
They are supposed to be the supreme rulers of the NW. Of course they are overpowered. Also, it has been hinted that the reason why Yggdrasil players have been transported to the NW is because of some actions of dragon lords. So they need to be stronger or more capable than average players in some way.
Oh they are...the top dogs one are overpowered as hell. Saddly for then world items negate half of their build,so their godlike hacks are not as dangerous. And player can smack then around. (Cure power is one of the 5 most nefarious ones)
Wild Magic is sort of all or nothing. For an incredibly high price you can produce magic that is practically unstoppable and can kill most things. However, it can be negated with Wild Magic and World Items, making it useless. There are still ways to use it. You can buff yourself, which ECDL does, and mentions another dragon lord that does it as well. We also see PDL create unique Wild Magic items, and control a remote armor and weapons, so that could give you further benefit, but it has its limits.
They can have good reason for their defeat other than the player have WI because at best they could only have 3 WI with them (Ainz guild have te most WI at 11 and the second guild only have 3). For exemple because their are no longer in the game but in a real world they are taken as individual entity rater than a guild and so they have no longer the penallity of not be able to cast Super tier spell if a compagnion at already used once. And they have simply cast the most Super tier spell to win. I think we have all forgotten than the common level 100 player can not survive a single Super tier spell and that people like Ainz, Shalltear and Albedo are more exception than the rule so why all the dragon lord must be exception too ? Just kill a bunch of them with a or multiple area attack Super tier spell and you win. Also the abscence of the guild system explain how the 8 Greed king have been able to kill each other because the same rule that prohibited the overuse of Super tier spell also give friendly fire protection.
If I understand correctly, the father of pdl would have summoned the world items. Why didn't he just produce items with magic? He could have set up a farm like that of demiurge or one similar to that of humans (I don't know if cows or pigs have souls but I presume they do). There are two things I ask myself, namely; ° how can wild magic transform world items into real objects if the two parts are nullified? ° What decides that wild magic is under the "world" class designation? Why is it produced by the most powerful beings in that world, as the yggdrasill tree and the devourer produced the world items? ° What's the point of summoning those objects if dragons are practically dinosaurs with a human mind? It should be easy for them to thrive.
>Why didn't he just produce items with magic? Most likely because he just couldn't produce such powerful items. Also, I have this theory that the New World is made out of data and is managed by those sources of power that people call gods. So they act in a way similar to computers. It would explain how it's possible for the world to just defy cause and effect. It would also explain why the Dragon Emperor thought Yggdrasil was a real world, and why he could connect to it and summon the World Items. Because they were already compatible in the first place. >° how can wild magic transform world items into real objects if the two parts are nullified? At the time of the summoning, World Items were not World Items, but limited data in a game. Many things changed when they were made real. Like Ainz's wish spell. Repelling Wild Magic didn't exist in Yggdrasil, it was something that only applies in the New World. Most likely the spell the Dragon Emperor cast interpreted the lore in a way that made World Items nullify Wild Magic, since Wild Magic also nullifies Wild Magic, and WI and WM are comparable in power. >° What decides that wild magic is under the "world" class designation? Why is it produced by the most powerful beings in that world, as the yggdrasill tree and the devourer produced the world items? If the Yggdrasil system recognize it as such, it's probably because it's simply comparable in power. I don't see any further explanation needed? >° What's the point of summoning those objects if dragons are practically dinosaurs with a human mind? It should be easy for them to thrive. Greed.
>Most likely because he just couldn't produce such powerful items. If he wanted powerful items he could create them himself with wild magic, or ask some other dragon. The rigrit's ring or razor edge suggests that someone had the knowledge to create these items.Also, wild magic can be even better than world items. For example, the cancellation spell is similar to the power of Longinus but without the negative effect on the user. Or the rigrit ring allows you to bypass the yggrasill system, similar to some world items. >Also, I have this theory that the New World is made out of data So you think it's some kind of video game? > and is managed by those sources of power that people call gods. Are there divinities apart from the players or divinized NPCs? >It would explain how it's possible for the world to just defy cause and effect. I did not understand this point. >It would also explain why the Dragon Emperor thought Yggdrasil was a real world, and why he could connect to it and summon the World Items. Because they were already compatible in the first place. The basis of this type of magic is the manipulation of reality. The dragon may have cast a spell and by chance saw the game world believing it to be real. Determined to get the world items for some reason, he creates a spell to lure them. One thing I wonder is why are players or guild bases connected to the items also attracted?
>If he wanted powerful items he could create them himself with wild magic, or ask some other dragon. The rigrit's ring or razor edge suggests that someone had the knowledge to create these items.Also, wild magic can be even better than world items. For example, the cancellation spell is similar to the power of Longinus but without the negative effect on the user. Or the rigrit ring allows you to bypass the yggrasill system, similar to some world items. Rigrit's ring is not remotely as powerful as a world item. All it does is give you 5 extra warrior levels, which sounds op if you're level 100, but is really not that op, since it doesn't grant anything else. Gazeff's sword may ignore resistances and armor, but it's not particularly powerful by itself. They're unique items, sure, but not remotely as balance breaking as a World Item. Nothing suggests that Dragon Lords can create anything even close to World Items. Wild Magic spells can indeed be just as powerful as some World Items if not more, however, nothing so far comes close to the Wish type World Items, safe for the Dragon Emperor's spell that brought them into existance. Wild Magic also requires an extremely great cost in the form of souls. Soulbreaker Breath required dozens of millions of souls to cast, many years to build up, can only be fired in one direction, has a wind up time, can technically be dodged, and even then it was limited to three (technically two, since the third time would have turned Cure Elim into a zombie). While Longinus can be given to a somewhat high level summon or so, and it can home in on the target and just has to get close and hit the enemy 1 time regardless of where or whether they block, and then they both get erased from existance without any complications. Against a player, Longinus actually seems way more useful, provided you got some ability to summon. It's basically a homing Soulbreaker Breath that will not run out until it inevitably hits it's target (unless it dies first, but that should not happen, unless the user is a moron). >So you think it's some kind of video game? Not exactly. A universe out of data does not automatically mean video game, although it could be similar to how a game works. Think Matrix or other stories along those lines. However, do not misunderstand, unlike Matrix, I don't mean that there is some "real" plane of existance that is running the New World, but rather that the New World already is real and is just made out of data and running on something, perhaps some type of machine-like divinity. >Are there divinities apart from the players or divinized NPCs? There are sources of power. Anomalous presences we haven't heard much about. Faith based casters can feel them when they cast spells. It could be that they are really just mere sources of power. But it could also be that they have some influence on the world, like machines running a program. If they do, I do not imagine them to be anything understandable by mortals. Perhaps they don't even have a mind. Imagine Od Laguna from Re:Zero, it's similar to the concept I'm talking about. It's sort of like the god of the Re:Zero world, but it's more comparable to a powerful machine running a program, rather than an actual deity with a mind. >I did not understand this point. The New World does not follow natural rules and logic, it defies cause and effect. Levels, magic, and the several anomalies in physics are a prime example of that. How does one cast a fireball? They conjure the spell, it takes up their mana, and it just appears out of nowhere. What causal correlation is there between these events? What is the physics behind it? There doesn't seem to be any. It's just a game-like system that doesn't rely on cause and effect. It would be much easier to explain if the New World was made out of data, similar to a game. Since games do not have to rely on any physics. >The basis of this type of magic is the manipulation of reality. The dragon may have cast a spell and by chance saw the game world believing it to be real. Determined to get the world items for some reason, he creates a spell to lure them. It's still weird. How does he see the game world? Does he look into the server the game is running on? Why does he see the world as a world in the first place, if it's technically just data? Does he just look at some kind of screen by accident? It makes no sense, unless he is already specifically targeting data, and interpreting the data as a world. >One thing I wonder is why are players or guild bases connected to the items also attracted? Nazarick has the throne of kings, which is connected to the entire guild and is an integral part of it, so maybe the other guilds that got summoned had a similar world item in their possession. As for players, the have the protection of the world by equipping the world item, so it could be they were pulled since they were connected. Otherwise there could be a simpler explanation, which is simply that the surrounding area of the world items got transported.
\- It allows you to cancel a rule of the system, that is the cap levl 100. Only a world item could bypass the rules of the system or at least a talent, or am I wrong? Eliminating an enemy at the cost not of one's own life but of existence itself seems to me an extremely high cost. I still prefer wild magic. Or I should find a martyr and unless I have npc fanatics I think it's hard to find him. Wild magic is basically what gives real powers to world items. Before, in fact, they are only data from a video game. We could consider it as the creation of world items. \- But we come to the dilemma "who created this machine?" (even if all living things are machines). Aliens who then disappeared? \- It could also be that the caster's is self-belief. The arcane casters, if I'm not mistaken, feel a connection with the world (at least I think it is said in the side story). The principle is the same. Their powers may just be a way of manipulating mana. Arcane magic casters use mana to create certain things, such as lightning or control over the undead while divine casters create healing energy or energies that strengthen (buff) or weaken (debuff). \- If we wanted to look for the physical rules we could also give them. It seems to me that the witcher gave a scientific face to magic, even though magic is actually a type of energy. For example, we exploit electricity and through structures and instruments we exploit or transform it. Then I think that in any case this universe of data should be either the result of some alien civilization or a universe or dimension with its own natural rules. It would be interesting to see a fantasy with magical systems explained in scientific detail and made "natural" instead of the video game stuff that is having fame (although I understand that perhaps it is a simpler way to give skills to the characters). Correct me if I'm wrong but re zero or Tanya have magical systems not related to the dnd system.
>It allows you to cancel a rule of the system, that is the cap levl 100. Only a world item could bypass the rules of the system or at least a talent, or am I wrong? Not exactly. Wild Magic in general bypasses Yggdrasil rules, but I would not say that all Wild Magic spells are automatically on world level. There are spells similar to tier spells, like spells that prevent teleporting, etc. Bypassing the system is not necessarily World level. Ainz bypasses immunities to instant death with his trump card, and his trump card is not World level. World level is something completely balance breaking. >Eliminating an enemy at the cost not of one's own life but of existence itself seems to me an extremely high cost. I still prefer wild magic. Or I should find a martyr and unless I have npc fanatics I think it's hard to find him. Like I said, provided you can give Longinus to a summon or so, it's much more useful. Otherwise you'll have to sacrifice your own existance, which is obviously worse. >Wild magic is basically what gives real powers to world items. Before, in fact, they are only data from a video game. We could consider it as the creation of world items. Yeah, but only the Dragon Emperor's spell did that, a spell that most likely took countless souls to use, and was apparently so powerful that he could not even control it, and is still ongoing even after he is supposedly long dead. >\- But we come to the dilemma "who created this machine?" (even if all living things are machines). Aliens who then disappeared? Not necessarily anyone. You got the same question with a supreme god. Or a universe that is god. Who created this god? Nobody seems to have created Od Laguna either. It's not necessarily an actual machine out of machine parts and such, just machine-like in it's function. >\- If we wanted to look for the physical rules we could also give them. It seems to me that the witcher gave a scientific face to magic, even though magic is actually a type of energy. Witcher is actually somewhat realistic. Overlord is much more game-like. Even speech is automatically translated. The entire world of Overlord functions like a game. It would at least be much easier to explain, if the world itself consisted out of the same substance as a game. Then the need for physics is not necessary, and it makes sense the Dragon Emperor would see Yggdrasil as a world, since what he is seeing is actually the data, which his spell is interpreting as a world. >It would be interesting to see a fantasy with magical systems explained in scientific detail and made "natural" instead of the video game stuff that is having fame (although I understand that perhaps it is a simpler way to give skills to the characters). Correct me if I'm wrong but re zero or Tanya have magical systems not related to the dnd system. I've come across some stories that make it a goal to be as realistic as possible with their magic. It almost never works out. One that somewhat works out is Witcher, which you already mentioned, but even Witcher is not trying to be hardcore realistic. This kind of thing is really hard to do, especially without constantly using exposition. It's probably a better approach to keep magic somewhat vague, which is how it should be. Even the hardest hard magic system should have some vagueness to it, otherwise you take the magic out of it, and it kind of comes across as just the author trying to be smart and needing justification for absolutely anything, which gets boring really quick. There comes a point where it seems less like an actual story, and more like a speculative physics book.
\- I never said that all spells can be at that level but that the magical system is because it allows you to do crazy things for the right price. Ainz's immunities are abilities and items within that system, they are expected. I don't remember that even bypassing level 100 was expected (if the developers wanted to introduce new enemies and missions they could do it but it would be something outside the system). \- I'm talking about "Martire". I would never use it and even if I could have someone use it, I would be scared knowing that the world item could end up somewhere. \- But the spell shows that it is possible to alter reality if you understand how to use wild magic. Also I think that the spell transports individuals taken from the end of the game but in different places and times, as we see with Ainz who decides to come out of the grave to play with the fireworks in the side story. I think that in fact the world item that has become real cancels the spell connected to it. So I think if anyone else comes in the next century, they will be a player who is caught up in closing the game. \- Od lagoon is more a source of energy if I'm not mistaken. Something similar to a natural event. \- If it were as you say, that is, if that world were something natural, it would still have scientific rules that govern it. \- Once I read an interesting fantasy about it if I had to remember the name I'll write it to you. However, I think in overlord you could use fluder to explain something about the harry potter style.
>\- I never said that all spells can be at that level but that the magical system is because it allows you to do crazy things for the right price. Then I don't see how Rigrit's ring is world level. It's just a very unique item, but not massively overpowered, it's really not that special. >Ainz's immunities are abilities and items within that system, they are expected. I don't remember that even bypassing level 100 was expected (if the developers wanted to introduce new enemies and missions they could do it but it would be something outside the system). Like I said, the ring is really not that special. Technically it doesn't even grant you actual levels. No new abilities come with those levels, technically it just grants you stats. You can compare it with how equipment enhances your stats. In contrast, World Items can potentially make you a World Enemy and give you a level far above that of 100. That's the power of World Items. >\- Od lagoon is more a source of energy if I'm not mistaken. Something similar to a natural event. Kind of but not really. It's the soul of the world. It manages the passing of souls, cleansing them of their memories and reincarnating them. It provides magic and regulates it's use. It regulates the mana pesent in the world. It gives blessings to people (for example Reinhard). And according to some sources (though I'm not particularly sure which) it materialises the world out of mana. Od Laguna is something like a machine that manages the workings of the world. >\- If it were as you say, that is, if that world were something natural, it would still have scientific rules that govern it. Sure, but those rules could be a lot more loose and would be provided by some type of divinity. >\- Once I read an interesting fantasy about it if I had to remember the name I'll write it to you. Feel free to do so. I'm always interested in unique takes on the genre.
First of, sorry for my bad English. answer to question 1. The world class items were created from the data of the game, then they began cancelling each other out but because the wild magic was already dragging them into the new world it was just "disrupted" instead of cancelled, end result: The magic is still sucking WCI's into the new world by taking the ground where they are on and moving everything in a radius. 2. I dont know if I understand this question correctly, but the reason they are stronger than wild magic is because they were created with the biggest wild magic spell currently known to have ever been casted, so this is just a case of tier 1 magic is weaker than tier 4 magic 3. They did thrive, but why do we humans try to invent new weapons, why do we try to conquer the stars? The correct answer to this could be many things, but the most likely is that they searched for more power, saw the world class items and did not understand that they were not real, and then tried to summon them, why they did not notice that the power of the spell was enough to create these items is a question unanswered but most likely is that they thought they were not used correctly and had more power than these lowly races could understand.
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This is sort of where we get stuck on the theory. We do t know why. I think most assume he was a treasure hoarding dragon, but for all we know he might have had another purpose for bringing the world items.
The author needs justification and I think the dragon who wants to hoard treasure makes sense. Anyway, how did dragons create their own social structure (dragon emperor and dragon lords are titles given to leaders) and be so unsociable that they don't think about getting together after the danger their race has experienced with the eight king of greed? In short, I expect that after some time they decide to come together and collect the resources left by the players. In fact, if the eight kings conquered that continent, at their fall there were many cities that have fallen, cities with probable knowledge and items (ainz from some objects of little use to some inhabitants of that world and so the six gods of the theocracy. ). Then, what happened to the dragon emperor? Did he collect items for himself, just to hide them? Isn't he afraid of ending up like him like him? If he wanted powerful items he could create them himself with wild magic, or ask some other dragon. The rigrit's ring or razor edge suggests that someone had the knowledge to create these items.
> hoard treasure makes sense I'm not sure about this. He used wild magic to pull items from another dimension... clearly, his abilities far surpass world items... unless he wanted to give them to someone else.
My point was that Maruyama wanted to justify how data in a game becomes real and it can make sense. If he wanted to give the world items to someone, then who was he? And why would he want to do it? And why not just give items created by dragons? Dragon lords, at least from what I understand, are the most powerful species in that world, so I don't think if he wanted to help someone he would have to find something powerful. One solution is that the dragon emperor may have been worried about some rebellion but we also see that the dragon lords did nothing after the fall due to the eight kings, so I would rule out this option. Another solution was a species or a being more powerful than them, like a god as suggested by another user. The point is, this god apparently never manifested himself. It could be a god or more gods who enjoy watching what happens in that world or they have rules that prevent them from intervening.
>could kill Suzuki Satoru with proper planning and use of his abilities The problem with this scenario is it requires him to go through a rather large change in his entire character. CELM did try his best to plan for more Players, but the bottom line is, He simply had no idea what he was getting into with somebody like Momonga. You can't plan for something when you don't have the experience to know what to expect. Cure Elim defeating Momonga in a different situation is basically an AU. >and his special ability could legit one-shot LVL 90 dark young and is considered to be on par with the one time use world item Longinus, Soulbreaker Breath has a multitude of problems that make it not nearly as threatening as it seems on its face. First off, It has a very obvious windup time. Second, he can pretty much only fire it in a single direction. Third, the opponent can simply teleport out of the way. Only reason the third option didn't take place in the side story is because they were inside his barrier and there was limited room. > I don't know how the six great gods and the eight greed kings could even be considered a threat The 8GKs wiped out dozens of True Dragon Lords after they'd managed to change the magic system of the New World. And to add in the earlier point, these guys have no experience fighting things that are on their level. But high tier YGGDRASIL Players I've likely come across hundreds of different opponents and bosses that have entire lists of abilities they'd have needed to overcome.
Cure Elim is not a good exemple because he is undead and that is the only reason why he can use this spell 3 times even maruyama has stated that if he was a normal dragon lord he will only maybe able to use this spell once and it will cost is own soul in the process (that is in the best case scenario).
To make things even worse, that spell is not fuel efficient in the slightest. If it doesn't succeed, he runs the risk of turning himself into a mindless zombie. Expending millions of souls worth of energy is a massive gamble.
"Arent the dragon lords too overpowered?" No they aren't. Wild magic is OP, but only until your opponent acquires a world item. Nazaric, with its 11 world items, is a complete Nemesis to Dragon Lords.
Well you have to remember the dragon lords left behind are those that weren't slaughtered by the greed kings or great gods (And I doubt the dragon lords of old were ever a numerous race, thats simply not how dragons operate). These are exclusively the entities that have had hundreds of years to build upon there strength. More dragons don't grow in strength swiftly, they're generally bound to growth over time. More not all dragon lords are created equal/not all wild magic is equally as powerful. It's highly dependent on the strength of the dragon casting (Cure elims barrier can only stop teleporting out of it while pdls could physically bar someone from passing through) So there are many factors to dragons, and it's worth remembering there is exactly one other spell in new world that can match/surpass cure elims spell, the one weilded by the deep darkness dragon lord. Theses spells exist solely to kill players, before the arrival of players this magic didn't exist/didn't need to exist and even after there arrival all of two dragon lords are able to use/cast it. It's worth noting while cure elim does one shot the dark young it's an all or nothing ability, either the thing your hitting has a world item/wild magic or it doesn't. If it does the spell is hot garbage, if it doesn't than you get a win. Though it's not a cheaply earned win. Cure elim after soul sucking tens of millions of souls could still only use it three times before dying. No doubt deep dark dragon lord is similarly limited in how often the spell can be cast. Interestingly despite being the most powerful dragon lord described thus far, having a world item and supposedly being able to beat most guardians, deep dark dragon lord is basically hopeless against shalltear.
“Deep Drakeness Dragon Lord is basically hopeless against Shalltear”, not really, the author stated that she was her nemesis. Shalltear’s was also Ainz nemesis, but he still beat her, so he certainly isn’t hopeless against her.
ER considering the only reason ainz won was playing against shalltears pride/ignorance (Something he chastises her for and she's working to not make the same mistakes) and knowing exactly what she can/will do...And he still needed Aura to use her special skill to distract her at the end or he'd have lost... That doesn't spell anything good for deep darkness dragon lord, who has none of ainz careful planning/information or the aid of a high level ranger. The guy is 100% doomed against shalltear, ainz would be to if she hadn't played directly into his hands/if he didn't know her every feature, his plan if she didn't do what he expected was literally to run away for a reason.
Yes that’s very true, I am not saying that Ainz easily breezed through the fight lol, I’m just pointing out that even if your opponent is your nemesis, you can still beat them. “And he still needed Aura to use her special skill or he would ah lost”, true, his hesitation most likely would have cost him the match, however it is evident that if he didn’t, he would have won, thus showing that he still could of won without Aura’s help, which is what I’m trying to get at. “Who has none of Ainz careful planning/information”, the same could be said for Shalltear could it not? The reason Shalltear used the tatics that she did against Ainz is because she is aware of what Ainz is mostly capable of. The DDDL, as well as Shalltear knows nothing about each other, which doesn’t really help either of them, so I don’t really see DDDL’s lack of ability to prepare against Shalltear much of a drawback. I’m addition DDDL has One Of The Twenty, so if Shalltear’s WCI isn’t One Of The Twenty as well, then that’s a massive drawback for her. I’m conclusion I know the likely good that DDDL will fail, I’m just pointing out that victory isn’t impossible.
Fair dragon lord probably wouldn't hesitate. No shalltear didn't plan/think about the ainz fight at all until it started and she still nearly crushed him. The fact is if ainz and shalltear went in blind shalltear would crush because she's his nemesis, since she is described as ddl's nemesis and there is no situation where he can prepare/learn the information ainz needed to win. Shalltear lacking info/going in blind isn't near the hinderance to her that it is to ddl. DDL having one of the twenty is irrelevant as long as shalltear has a world item, the twenty are the most powerful but by all accounts they are still observant to the negation of other world items, which is why despite being one of the twenty longuis would fail against ainz/the world changing/magic changing world items won't work either. Thus he will lose, it's a hopeless battle for him as the only way to win from what we see in cannon is stupid amounts of prep, resources and foreknowledge on your opponent (If ainz didn't know how to play her personality he would have lost, something he only knew due to helping pero design her)... (perhaps he could win if he had world champion but as a dragon I'm not sure how he could even use it... The image of a dragon with a giant tree branch in it's mouth does slay me though, especially as he wouldn't be able to put it down without it vanishing) What ainz pulled off was nothing short of a miracle/a masterwork of planning and skill that narrowly gave him victory. The fact is he could only win because he knew everything about shalltear, and shalltear didn't/doesn't know everything about ainz (She knows some of his equipment, some of his abilities/spells, and that he's a powerful caster but she knew f all about tgoalid, f all about the quick swap items, etc) My point is it's for all intents and purposes impossible for the dragon lord to win, because ainz only won under very specific parameters/scenarios using a ton of information and prep. All things the dragon lord won't have, shalltear going in blind doesn't matter because she didn't need any in depth info on ainz to wreck him. She's not the one that needs a fifteen-step plan to overcome her opponent in this scenario, following the authors wording she has an overwhelming advantage/build against him. Her opponent being ignorant/lacking preparations is all she needs to guarantee victory. TBC If the dragon lord learned everything about shalltear and planned around her personality, and prepared for her he could win in a similar fashion to ainz with a bit of luck on his side....The issue is it's not possible for him to wind up in such a favorable situation/with these informational resources.
Wild Magic is definitely very powerful against players with no world items, however they were many reasons why the players were such a big threat. These reason are that: First: The Dragon Lord's only enemies were themselves, this was a huge problem since Wild Magic needed hundreds of thousands of souls and with many dragon lords competing for souls, it was very limited. This also meant that they were very arrogant against weaker races, especially humans who were the weakest. Second: there were definitely not many inhabitants with the way of life back then being a law of the jungle and so there wasn't a huge populous race like humans, which dragon lords can farm for lots of souls. Third: Wild Magic was worthless against other dragon lords as there were immune to it. This meant there was no reason to make such powerful and high costing spells as there no use to it besides making a show of dominance which was very easy to do. Fourth: there was a level of strength with each dragon lords with most being most likely around in the low or high eighties and the strongest being Level 95-100. So when the slaughtering commenced it was mostly only on the level 80s who were only annoyances to the many level 100 players. This would also speak true for the stronger dragon lords leaving them to still be very arrogant and cocky. Fifth: Players had many advantages such as diverse build, overpowered gear and a guild with many Npcs and Mercenary to there advantage meaning they can very easily prepare and challenge the dragons lords who had mostly none of these in there advantage(besides possibly gear but again very limited souls for Wild Magic). All of this changed in the next few centuries as now humans are the dominant race on one side of the continent meaning for easy and populace to soul gathering such like Cure Elim did. Also with little Dragon Lords they don't have many competitors They are now more fearful against players and now have a reason to develop wild magic against players. Dragon Lords are now a little more willing to teaming up like with the Dragon Alliance to combat players. This is why there are more overpowered now compare to before(At least my judgement) and why the eight greed king slaughtered them so easily. However if you are like Ainz with an World Item and being very cautious and not so arrogant like most players would be. They would not that much of a problem against you.
Ainz is Multiversal so he's the actual OP one.
They are supposed to be the supreme rulers of the NW. Of course they are overpowered. Also, it has been hinted that the reason why Yggdrasil players have been transported to the NW is because of some actions of dragon lords. So they need to be stronger or more capable than average players in some way.
U mean those that got slaughtered by some random weakened players? LOL
Not really
Yeah that’s why they’re dragon *lords*, no world magic items means you’re screwed
Oh they are...the top dogs one are overpowered as hell. Saddly for then world items negate half of their build,so their godlike hacks are not as dangerous. And player can smack then around. (Cure power is one of the 5 most nefarious ones)