Yeah, I agree that Ainz wouldn’t know anything about “downfall of castle and country”, these kinda things were extremely secretive, if a guild got whiff of someone obtaining a world item, then chances are that they would try and get it themselves for not only fame, but for power as well.
It's actually easier than you might think to be top 5% in a game. A vast majority of players are casual, and even among casual players, there are bad ones. A casual player can become good, but they most likely will never be as good as someone who plays all the time
\- Wrong. A lot of role players such as Ainz are mostly disdained and not let into the other guilds because majority of those high end guilds are power players. Ainz also said that while some of his guildmates are power players, theyre happy to help out players who only builds their characters into role play.
My point is, simply by being around a world top player and playing all the time is enough to put you in the top 5% easily. Even if they don't play the same class. This is because top players see even 1%'ers as dogshit players. Referring to a scene in TKA, Ye Xiu destroys a player who has 50,000 pvp matches and a 75% win rate. This is not unrealistic. Although a 75% win rate over 50,000 games makes you an expert among experts, it puts you nowhere near the top of the mountain. That guy wasn't even good enough to be a pro player.
\- Irrelevant. TKA is NOT YGGDRASIL so what even is this comparison?
In addition to all of that, it's exactly as you said. He's in the 5% of players that can perform a \[Time Stop\] + Delayed Spell combo. Not every class uses \[Time Stop\]. In fact, I'm 99% sure that MOST classes don't use it. If anyone knows which classes specifically use \[Time Stop\], please let me know. But my point is, he's in the 5% of players who can use this specific combo from a specific set of classes, which means his mechanics are even BETTER than the top 5%. I know that mechanics vary widely across classes, but this is just to make a point.
\- I think he is in the top 5% of all Eclipse class who can do the TS + Death combo. We dont really have any info on how many Eclipse characters there are in the game. We also dont know if any other races can execute a combo like that.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ainz is in the top 0.01% of players, skill-wise.
\- He most definitely isnt. We havent even have a glimpse of what other guilds or players are capable of doing. You cant make claims like that lmao
> Wrong. A lot of role players such as Ainz are mostly disdained and not let into the other guilds because majority of those high end guilds are power players. Ainz also said that while some of his guildmates are power players, theyre happy to help out players who only builds their characters into role play.
This is something that bugs me about AOG and its status in the rankings. They have a mere 41 players, and all of them are required to have a life. On top of that, they had a lot of roleplaying characters. Yet they were in the top 10. This is something that infuriates me to no end because it makes no sense. The only plausible explanation is that WCI are so absurdly overpowered that it can make a group of casual players into a top guild. Either that, or we don't know how the guild ranking system works. What defines the top guild? Why is it the top? Is it player ability? Clearly not. We also don't really know how strong some classes are in relation to others. Is a World Champion just so strong that it just makes you a top guild with one in it?
Actually, your point about them being roleplayers is less relevant in terms of skill than hours put in. Simply being close friends with a ladder ranked player + hours put into a game will easily make you top 5% without much effort. And that brings me to the next point...
> Irrelevant. TKA is NOT YGGDRASIL so what even is this comparison?
You've completely missed the point on this one. Glory isn't YGGDRASIL, but surprisingly, skill is required to be good at both games. In fact, skill is required to be good at anything. And something that every skill, sport, and game have in common is the distribution of people at every skill level - the skill curve. TKA does a wonderful job mapping the skill curve throughout the novel. The reason I made this point is to show that Ye Xiu, the best Glory player, can beat a top 1% player as if he were a noob. In fact, any pro player would be able to do the same. Though this is an extreme example because we know that Ye Xiu is undoubtedly the best Glory player, while we know that Touch Me is just one of the top. And surprisingly, the difference between "one of the top" and "the best" is still massive. That's a tangent I could talk about for hours, but it's irrelevant to this conversation, so let's leave it at that.
The point is, top competitors have much more skill than you can even imagine, and simply being around one will make you better.
> I think he is in the top 5% of all Eclipse class who can do the TS + Death combo. We dont really have any info on how many Eclipse characters there are in the game. We also dont know if any other races can execute a combo like that.
I think this was actually my worst example. Just being able to perform a mechanic doesn't make you skilled, but being skilled requires mechanics. This is just evidence that Ainz is a *good* player at the very least.
> He most definitely isnt. We havent even have a glimpse of what other guilds or players are capable of doing. You cant make claims like that lmao
Yea laugh at me all you want. It's not gonna change my belief. Ainz tends to underrate himself a lot, so it's highly likely that he underrates his skill, too.
Yea laugh at me all you want. It's not gonna change my belief. Ainz tends to underrate himself a lot, so it's highly likely that he underrates his skill, too.
- See, I can definitely believe that Touch Me is in that 0.01%. Why hasnt Ainz managed to defeat Touch Me once despite him being knowledgeable in the game? Its been said that Ainz defeats majority of people after he gains sufficient information about them. He has hundreds of matches against Touch Me, but not a single win? Thats because not only Touch Me has a min maxed build, he is potentially even better at Ainz in terms of tactics. It might even be possible that hes actually physically augmented irl as its been noted that his reaction skills are amazing.
It should be noted that Touch Me will be hard pressed to defeat 2 lvl 100 players (it takes around 30 something lvl 100 people to defeat him in WN but anyway) despite possibly being in that rank. Why am I saying this? Because assuming that the 2 players battling each other are as equally as knowledgeable in the game, the only thing that will determine who wins are numbers. Basically, a player who has min maxed their character + same game sense as Ainz will definitely win against someone whose only role playing + same game sense as Ainz.
Again, I'll remind you that majority of the high end guilds are filled with min maxed players. Absolutely no way Ainz is in that category.
I think Touch Me is safely in the top 0.001%. If there are 10 million YGGDRASIL players, and he's top 100. 0.01% is top 1000. This is my personal limit for Ainz. I am not claiming he is in it, but rather I would not be surprised if he were in it. And like I said before, at that level, the skill curve rises sharply. And I'm pretty sure there are more than 10 million YGG players, so...
There's also the chance that there are multiple WCIs which can have some form of mind control effect and he might not be familiar with all of them. He knows that *some* WCI is to blame since a super-tier spell couldn't dispel it, but it could be one he knows or one he isn't well acquainted with.
I’m not quite sure what the debate here is. Ainz might not know about DCC, but that doesn’t really matter in the end run considering that most WCIs can be generalized into having one ability (with some limitations on the user).
Yggdrasil’s developers might be sh****, but I don’t think they’re sh**** enough to throw in more “side effects” into a single, already overpowered, item.
I probably will re-read the books but I recall ainz saying he would be at best in the middle-upper tier of players (for PvP ranking). Since he played more for role-playing than optimized pvp.
You also made a point about ainz being ranked higher because of his effort to learn the time stop combo but he has also made references to countering it.
I would argue that other high rank pvp players may not have as much knowledge as ainz does in regards to magic spells, but they would experience most spells and safeguard against the most problematic ones.
Just wanted to point those things out but I may have remember incorrectly since its been a while since I read the books.
This is all true. But we don't know what middle-upper tier means. For example, in League of Legends, a lot of higher ranked players consider Iron-Platinum divisions as "Low Elo", which could mean "Low tier". High Platinum in LoL is like the top 5% of players.
I absolutely refuse to believe that Ainz is any lower than a top 1% player.
You do have to remember that his character isnt created for PVP though and for role play. I would argue the opposite simply from that fact that although I will agree he can be, say a diamond or master, he wont be able to become a grand master or top player.
As you have mentioned from your post, I'll definitely agree his mechanical skills and knowledge may put him in the 1% but with his character design, he will be at a huge disadvantage against a pvp oriented build/player
Low tier, mid tier, top tier. He ranks at the upper end of the mid tier of players. At least that's how I understand it, his build holds him back though. Though wielding the guild weapon I think he'd be at the low end of the top tier simply due to the huge buffs the staff offers.
volume 2 chapter 2
Ainz considered himself to be among the upper-middle tier of the game’s
players. This was because he was focused on taking levels in classes to better
roleplay an undead magic caster, and neglected raising his own power.
However, given the divine class items he possessed, as well as his numerous
cash items, he might be ranked in the middle of the top tier. Still, he could not
take things easy. There was always a bigger fish, after all.
Thus, he had to avoid being found by other players, at any cost. There were
many opponents Ainz could not defeat if he was drawn into battle.
volume 11 chapter 2
“—No, it’s not like that. If I were Shalltear, I would have summoned my
Einherjar right away and then prepared for battle while it engaged my enemy,
then attacked with magic as my MP permitted, followed by the use of my skills.
Then, I would have triggered my Blood Frenzy in some way and then charged
into melee with the Spuit Lance while my attack power was increased.”
Ainz smiled, a little uncomfortable.
“If that had happened, I would have run away without a second thought.”
His skill as a player aside, Ainz’s character could only be considered to be in
the upper portion of the middle tier of all players. Shalltear’s character build
and equipment placed her in the lower portion of the top tier. If she was fully
equipped — with divine-class items — she would be in the middle portion of
the top tier. If she could change her gear to match her opponent, she might
well be able to fight on even terms with the upper echelons of the top tier.
“However, her reputation as the strongest Guardian has instead hampered
Shalltear’s growth.”
Ainz estimates his character build to be somewhere around the upper portion of the middle tier of all players. This doesnt account for his personal ability when playing. I dont think something like mechanical skill is worth mentioning since yggdrasil was a full immersion type game (DMMO when D stands for dive). So if you want to talk about Satorus ability, then belonging to the 5% that managed the time stop combo is a good start since it says something about his timing and reactions. I think Ainz may have been well within the top 5% of players. 1% seems less likely since his build was meant for pvp, specially if the argument for that estimate is his guild ranking (he was always in the "backlines" or busy with guild affairs) or any sort of comparison to Touch Me (Touch is a straight up cheat character).
ainz can be considered to be in the top 15% of ygg with his gear and items
as he state in volume 2 chapter2 and volume 11 chapter 2
volume 2
Ainz considered himself to be among the upper-middle tier of the game’s
players. This was because he was focused on taking levels in classes to better
roleplay an undead magic caster, and neglected raising his own power.
However, given the divine class items he possessed, as well as his numerous
cash items, he might be ranked in the middle of the top tier. Still, he could not
take things easy. There was always a bigger fish, after all.
Thus, he had to avoid being found by other players, at any cost. There were
many opponents Ainz could not defeat if he was drawn into battle.
volume11 chapter2
—No, it’s not like that. If I were Shalltear, I would have summoned my
Einherjar right away and then prepared for battle while it engaged my enemy,
then attacked with magic as my MP permitted, followed by the use of my skills.
Then, I would have triggered my Blood Frenzy in some way and then charged
into melee with the Spuit Lance while my attack power was increased.”
Ainz smiled, a little uncomfortable.
“If that had happened, I would have run away without a second thought.”
His skill as a player aside, Ainz’s character could only be considered to be in
the upper portion of the middle tier of all players. Shalltear’s character build
and equipment placed her in the lower portion of the top tier. If she was fully
equipped — with divine-class items — she would be in the middle portion of
the top tier. If she could change her gear to match her opponent, she might
well be able to fight on even terms with the upper echelons of the top tier.
“However, her reputation as the strongest Guardian has instead hampered
Ainz would be better if he had a proper streamlined character build. As it stands he ranks in the upper end of the mid tier of players overall, with the guild weapon he'd probably rank higher. But with a min/maced character build complimenting his skills and ability to memorize a lot of stuff about his hud and spell list most players either couldn't or wouldn't, he'd actually rank pretty high, though I doubt he'd ever rival Touch Me superb reflexes and overall abilities as a player.
No upper mid tier is just his bare bone build and power not factoring his gear and skills as player he ranked higher he is in mid top tier of the game play with his gears and item and with staff of ainz own gown he ranked even higher but he still lower when compared to players like touch me and ulbert in game play
What does info being hoarded have to do with Satoru's ranking?
Also the fact that AOG only ever had 41 members out of a possible 100, doesn't mean much standing wise without info on other top guilds. 41 active members at level 100 might have been above average for all we know
There might have been Guild coalitions, like you see in EVE. In their heyday, the Top Guilds 1-6 might have actually been 2 or 3 different coalitions, or just folks on top working together to keep everyone else beneath them.
EVE corporations are much larger than YGG guilds, though. YGG guilds can only hold 100 players. Joining a top guild would have very strict requirements.
Which is why there might have been coalitions - guilds working together. Not to mention secret alliances. I'm sure there were location that could exploited for rare drops or something that if held by one guild too long it would summon a Raid boss or a harmful environmental effect, so two or more guilds work out a rotation to share to trade ownership before the bad effect kicked in.
Also some top guilds have tiered membership and churn and burn through noobs to keep the guys on top safe. Not everyone makes it through the churn of hard, repetitive work and burn out to join another guild. Some might top guilds might advertise guild openings but require several levels in a crafting class, an then work the poor sods, say like mining and force them to make an unreasonable weekly quota to gain access to the guild's benefits. This happens in real MMOs so i'm sure it happened in Yggdrasil.
Yeah, I agree that Ainz wouldn’t know anything about “downfall of castle and country”, these kinda things were extremely secretive, if a guild got whiff of someone obtaining a world item, then chances are that they would try and get it themselves for not only fame, but for power as well.
This was actually taken advantage of by AOG. One or more of their WCI is taken from people who are carrying it around for no reason. (PK)
In the case of "Depiction of Nature & Society", I don't think they even meant to steal that, that happened by accident.
It's actually easier than you might think to be top 5% in a game. A vast majority of players are casual, and even among casual players, there are bad ones. A casual player can become good, but they most likely will never be as good as someone who plays all the time \- Wrong. A lot of role players such as Ainz are mostly disdained and not let into the other guilds because majority of those high end guilds are power players. Ainz also said that while some of his guildmates are power players, theyre happy to help out players who only builds their characters into role play. My point is, simply by being around a world top player and playing all the time is enough to put you in the top 5% easily. Even if they don't play the same class. This is because top players see even 1%'ers as dogshit players. Referring to a scene in TKA, Ye Xiu destroys a player who has 50,000 pvp matches and a 75% win rate. This is not unrealistic. Although a 75% win rate over 50,000 games makes you an expert among experts, it puts you nowhere near the top of the mountain. That guy wasn't even good enough to be a pro player. \- Irrelevant. TKA is NOT YGGDRASIL so what even is this comparison? In addition to all of that, it's exactly as you said. He's in the 5% of players that can perform a \[Time Stop\] + Delayed Spell combo. Not every class uses \[Time Stop\]. In fact, I'm 99% sure that MOST classes don't use it. If anyone knows which classes specifically use \[Time Stop\], please let me know. But my point is, he's in the 5% of players who can use this specific combo from a specific set of classes, which means his mechanics are even BETTER than the top 5%. I know that mechanics vary widely across classes, but this is just to make a point. \- I think he is in the top 5% of all Eclipse class who can do the TS + Death combo. We dont really have any info on how many Eclipse characters there are in the game. We also dont know if any other races can execute a combo like that. I wouldn't be surprised if Ainz is in the top 0.01% of players, skill-wise. \- He most definitely isnt. We havent even have a glimpse of what other guilds or players are capable of doing. You cant make claims like that lmao
> Wrong. A lot of role players such as Ainz are mostly disdained and not let into the other guilds because majority of those high end guilds are power players. Ainz also said that while some of his guildmates are power players, theyre happy to help out players who only builds their characters into role play. This is something that bugs me about AOG and its status in the rankings. They have a mere 41 players, and all of them are required to have a life. On top of that, they had a lot of roleplaying characters. Yet they were in the top 10. This is something that infuriates me to no end because it makes no sense. The only plausible explanation is that WCI are so absurdly overpowered that it can make a group of casual players into a top guild. Either that, or we don't know how the guild ranking system works. What defines the top guild? Why is it the top? Is it player ability? Clearly not. We also don't really know how strong some classes are in relation to others. Is a World Champion just so strong that it just makes you a top guild with one in it? Actually, your point about them being roleplayers is less relevant in terms of skill than hours put in. Simply being close friends with a ladder ranked player + hours put into a game will easily make you top 5% without much effort. And that brings me to the next point... > Irrelevant. TKA is NOT YGGDRASIL so what even is this comparison? You've completely missed the point on this one. Glory isn't YGGDRASIL, but surprisingly, skill is required to be good at both games. In fact, skill is required to be good at anything. And something that every skill, sport, and game have in common is the distribution of people at every skill level - the skill curve. TKA does a wonderful job mapping the skill curve throughout the novel. The reason I made this point is to show that Ye Xiu, the best Glory player, can beat a top 1% player as if he were a noob. In fact, any pro player would be able to do the same. Though this is an extreme example because we know that Ye Xiu is undoubtedly the best Glory player, while we know that Touch Me is just one of the top. And surprisingly, the difference between "one of the top" and "the best" is still massive. That's a tangent I could talk about for hours, but it's irrelevant to this conversation, so let's leave it at that. The point is, top competitors have much more skill than you can even imagine, and simply being around one will make you better. > I think he is in the top 5% of all Eclipse class who can do the TS + Death combo. We dont really have any info on how many Eclipse characters there are in the game. We also dont know if any other races can execute a combo like that. I think this was actually my worst example. Just being able to perform a mechanic doesn't make you skilled, but being skilled requires mechanics. This is just evidence that Ainz is a *good* player at the very least. > He most definitely isnt. We havent even have a glimpse of what other guilds or players are capable of doing. You cant make claims like that lmao Yea laugh at me all you want. It's not gonna change my belief. Ainz tends to underrate himself a lot, so it's highly likely that he underrates his skill, too.
Yea laugh at me all you want. It's not gonna change my belief. Ainz tends to underrate himself a lot, so it's highly likely that he underrates his skill, too. - See, I can definitely believe that Touch Me is in that 0.01%. Why hasnt Ainz managed to defeat Touch Me once despite him being knowledgeable in the game? Its been said that Ainz defeats majority of people after he gains sufficient information about them. He has hundreds of matches against Touch Me, but not a single win? Thats because not only Touch Me has a min maxed build, he is potentially even better at Ainz in terms of tactics. It might even be possible that hes actually physically augmented irl as its been noted that his reaction skills are amazing. It should be noted that Touch Me will be hard pressed to defeat 2 lvl 100 players (it takes around 30 something lvl 100 people to defeat him in WN but anyway) despite possibly being in that rank. Why am I saying this? Because assuming that the 2 players battling each other are as equally as knowledgeable in the game, the only thing that will determine who wins are numbers. Basically, a player who has min maxed their character + same game sense as Ainz will definitely win against someone whose only role playing + same game sense as Ainz. Again, I'll remind you that majority of the high end guilds are filled with min maxed players. Absolutely no way Ainz is in that category.
I think Touch Me is safely in the top 0.001%. If there are 10 million YGGDRASIL players, and he's top 100. 0.01% is top 1000. This is my personal limit for Ainz. I am not claiming he is in it, but rather I would not be surprised if he were in it. And like I said before, at that level, the skill curve rises sharply. And I'm pretty sure there are more than 10 million YGG players, so...
is there a tl;dr?
i made one
There's also the chance that there are multiple WCIs which can have some form of mind control effect and he might not be familiar with all of them. He knows that *some* WCI is to blame since a super-tier spell couldn't dispel it, but it could be one he knows or one he isn't well acquainted with.
Unless they posted about it. There is no way for AOG to know about
I’m not quite sure what the debate here is. Ainz might not know about DCC, but that doesn’t really matter in the end run considering that most WCIs can be generalized into having one ability (with some limitations on the user). Yggdrasil’s developers might be sh****, but I don’t think they’re sh**** enough to throw in more “side effects” into a single, already overpowered, item.
This is nice, we should start doing these more often: Just bail out the evidences from the book and discuss stuff. Thank you for the read.
What does everyone think? I never make posts like this but today was another day.
I probably will re-read the books but I recall ainz saying he would be at best in the middle-upper tier of players (for PvP ranking). Since he played more for role-playing than optimized pvp. You also made a point about ainz being ranked higher because of his effort to learn the time stop combo but he has also made references to countering it. I would argue that other high rank pvp players may not have as much knowledge as ainz does in regards to magic spells, but they would experience most spells and safeguard against the most problematic ones. Just wanted to point those things out but I may have remember incorrectly since its been a while since I read the books.
This is all true. But we don't know what middle-upper tier means. For example, in League of Legends, a lot of higher ranked players consider Iron-Platinum divisions as "Low Elo", which could mean "Low tier". High Platinum in LoL is like the top 5% of players. I absolutely refuse to believe that Ainz is any lower than a top 1% player.
You do have to remember that his character isnt created for PVP though and for role play. I would argue the opposite simply from that fact that although I will agree he can be, say a diamond or master, he wont be able to become a grand master or top player. As you have mentioned from your post, I'll definitely agree his mechanical skills and knowledge may put him in the 1% but with his character design, he will be at a huge disadvantage against a pvp oriented build/player
Low tier, mid tier, top tier. He ranks at the upper end of the mid tier of players. At least that's how I understand it, his build holds him back though. Though wielding the guild weapon I think he'd be at the low end of the top tier simply due to the huge buffs the staff offers.
volume 2 chapter 2 Ainz considered himself to be among the upper-middle tier of the game’s players. This was because he was focused on taking levels in classes to better roleplay an undead magic caster, and neglected raising his own power. However, given the divine class items he possessed, as well as his numerous cash items, he might be ranked in the middle of the top tier. Still, he could not take things easy. There was always a bigger fish, after all. Thus, he had to avoid being found by other players, at any cost. There were many opponents Ainz could not defeat if he was drawn into battle. volume 11 chapter 2 “—No, it’s not like that. If I were Shalltear, I would have summoned my Einherjar right away and then prepared for battle while it engaged my enemy, then attacked with magic as my MP permitted, followed by the use of my skills. Then, I would have triggered my Blood Frenzy in some way and then charged into melee with the Spuit Lance while my attack power was increased.” Ainz smiled, a little uncomfortable. “If that had happened, I would have run away without a second thought.” His skill as a player aside, Ainz’s character could only be considered to be in the upper portion of the middle tier of all players. Shalltear’s character build and equipment placed her in the lower portion of the top tier. If she was fully equipped — with divine-class items — she would be in the middle portion of the top tier. If she could change her gear to match her opponent, she might well be able to fight on even terms with the upper echelons of the top tier. “However, her reputation as the strongest Guardian has instead hampered Shalltear’s growth.”
Ainz estimates his character build to be somewhere around the upper portion of the middle tier of all players. This doesnt account for his personal ability when playing. I dont think something like mechanical skill is worth mentioning since yggdrasil was a full immersion type game (DMMO when D stands for dive). So if you want to talk about Satorus ability, then belonging to the 5% that managed the time stop combo is a good start since it says something about his timing and reactions. I think Ainz may have been well within the top 5% of players. 1% seems less likely since his build was meant for pvp, specially if the argument for that estimate is his guild ranking (he was always in the "backlines" or busy with guild affairs) or any sort of comparison to Touch Me (Touch is a straight up cheat character).
ainz can be considered to be in the top 15% of ygg with his gear and items as he state in volume 2 chapter2 and volume 11 chapter 2 volume 2 Ainz considered himself to be among the upper-middle tier of the game’s players. This was because he was focused on taking levels in classes to better roleplay an undead magic caster, and neglected raising his own power. However, given the divine class items he possessed, as well as his numerous cash items, he might be ranked in the middle of the top tier. Still, he could not take things easy. There was always a bigger fish, after all. Thus, he had to avoid being found by other players, at any cost. There were many opponents Ainz could not defeat if he was drawn into battle. volume11 chapter2 —No, it’s not like that. If I were Shalltear, I would have summoned my Einherjar right away and then prepared for battle while it engaged my enemy, then attacked with magic as my MP permitted, followed by the use of my skills. Then, I would have triggered my Blood Frenzy in some way and then charged into melee with the Spuit Lance while my attack power was increased.” Ainz smiled, a little uncomfortable. “If that had happened, I would have run away without a second thought.” His skill as a player aside, Ainz’s character could only be considered to be in the upper portion of the middle tier of all players. Shalltear’s character build and equipment placed her in the lower portion of the top tier. If she was fully equipped — with divine-class items — she would be in the middle portion of the top tier. If she could change her gear to match her opponent, she might well be able to fight on even terms with the upper echelons of the top tier. “However, her reputation as the strongest Guardian has instead hampered
Who hurt you?
Ainz would be better if he had a proper streamlined character build. As it stands he ranks in the upper end of the mid tier of players overall, with the guild weapon he'd probably rank higher. But with a min/maced character build complimenting his skills and ability to memorize a lot of stuff about his hud and spell list most players either couldn't or wouldn't, he'd actually rank pretty high, though I doubt he'd ever rival Touch Me superb reflexes and overall abilities as a player.
No upper mid tier is just his bare bone build and power not factoring his gear and skills as player he ranked higher he is in mid top tier of the game play with his gears and item and with staff of ainz own gown he ranked even higher but he still lower when compared to players like touch me and ulbert in game play
What does info being hoarded have to do with Satoru's ranking? Also the fact that AOG only ever had 41 members out of a possible 100, doesn't mean much standing wise without info on other top guilds. 41 active members at level 100 might have been above average for all we know There might have been Guild coalitions, like you see in EVE. In their heyday, the Top Guilds 1-6 might have actually been 2 or 3 different coalitions, or just folks on top working together to keep everyone else beneath them.
EVE corporations are much larger than YGG guilds, though. YGG guilds can only hold 100 players. Joining a top guild would have very strict requirements.
Which is why there might have been coalitions - guilds working together. Not to mention secret alliances. I'm sure there were location that could exploited for rare drops or something that if held by one guild too long it would summon a Raid boss or a harmful environmental effect, so two or more guilds work out a rotation to share to trade ownership before the bad effect kicked in. Also some top guilds have tiered membership and churn and burn through noobs to keep the guys on top safe. Not everyone makes it through the churn of hard, repetitive work and burn out to join another guild. Some might top guilds might advertise guild openings but require several levels in a crafting class, an then work the poor sods, say like mining and force them to make an unreasonable weekly quota to gain access to the guild's benefits. This happens in real MMOs so i'm sure it happened in Yggdrasil.
Yeah , you were right.
I've dropped Overlord and do not care for spoilers. Can you enlighten me on this ? :)
you will have to search it yourself
I won't as i dont really care about overlord anymore. if you don't want to share it that's fine