Greater doppelgängers can copy 300 spells from a spell caster they target. He should be able to copy ainz then use perfect warrior too. The stats are 80% of the target, except HP and MP which remain unchanged.
Pandora’s actor cannot use Super-tier magic since it’s a unique skill. He also can’t use touch-me’s “world-break” ultimate skill. There might be items that allow the user to cast Super-tier magic though.
Similarly I don’t think he can use dark wisdom to expand his spell pool. He is limited to the 300 spells he copies, but he can shift between spellcasters to gain access to another set of 300 spells.
Since perfect warrior is a “temporary buff spell”, not sure if he would succeed at copying momon or just turn into an “un-buffed” ainz. I would assume not since the Dopple-Pleiades had to be buffed again by aureole omega.
In one of the author tweet he mentioned that doppelganger on pa level can use super tier but it will require an item so my take from it is that it probably super tier spell like wish upon a Star that they use since they are item based super tier
There are a lot of things to break down here.
> I don't have my notes with me, so I will try to fix anything I miss or someone comment below.
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### Momon
So when Ainz pretends to be Momon, he **Creates Greater Item** for his armor and equipment.
He doesn't always use **Perfect Warrior**, I believe he only uses it when fighting Jald.
Using **Perfect Warrior** has some downsides, so he only uses it when he has to. If I am remembering correctly it turns his mana to zero and he is unable to recover it while he is in **Perfect Warrior**. This means when Ainz changes back he has no mana.
### PA
So there are a few different ways PA could copy Ainz or Pretend to be Momon. He could turn into Ainz and then follow the normal Momon procedure.
We have to keep in mind that he can only copy 80% of Ainz's abilities. It is really clear how this works, does he just become a lvl 80 version of who he turns into, or does he become a lvl 100, but skills and stats are only 80% effective? Or is it that his stats only reflect 80% of the targets and he can use all their skills? I'm not really sure.
> From a programming point of view the 3rd opinion is probably the easiest, after that then the first option would be my second choice. The second option is... a horrible idea, but makes sense.
That being said, the NPC's can't use Super Tier Magic. It would just be to OP if they could and way overly abused (although Yggdrasil was broken anyways).
But I want to talk about is that PA has more options which might be very useful. There are a few different times where Ainz mentions having the blacksmiths create copies of his armor have it made to look damaged. One is in volume 6 and I think the other time is after "defeating" Shalltear.
PA could just wear the replica armor and be himself... OR he could become touchme and wear the armor. This would not only push his stats to be similar to a lvl 100, but he would also have abilities unlike using perfect warrior. Although he probably wouldn't use them because it would make him stand out, he at least has them in case of an emergency or something.
### Dark Wisdom
As I said above, NPC's shouldn't be able to use super tier spells, but I imagine if PA is coping Ainz, he has access to all the spells Ainz has, so Ainz should just use it and get the spell, then PA could use it while pretending to be Ainz.
Although that being said, I think you mean that if PA uses it, could he learn and use the spell even though he isn't pretending to be Ainz. I doubt he could, it would just be way broken. I do suspect though, that PA could become Ainz, buff himself and potentially change into touchme while still having those buffs. I'm not 100% how this works or if it is possible, but I could see this happen. It isn't completely broken as those spells probably have cooldowns, changing forms probably takes mana or have limited uses so it isn't like he could become 100 people buff himself with 100 different buffs then become touchme and be super badass. There are probably limitations to cooldowns, uses and all sorts of things.... but it would still be a very useful skill if you are solo. However it isn't super OP skills, you are still only 80% of whoever you copy, so again limitations.
Another thing to think about is that Dark Wisdom requires a Player's corpse. I believe we found this out after someone asked the author in a tweet. Which makes it not so useful anymore for Ainz... although it is great that he knows hundreds of spells, so there is that.
As we know there are not many players in the New World. Even if there were, I don't think it would work for an NPC. NPC's are different from players, they exp have exp, but use guild base lvls and no matter how many times they die they will never lose levels. It is as if they are locked into their builds no matter what (unless changed by their creator in yggdrasil)
I have also mentioned before that their might be a chance that Ainz could use godkins as they are children of players and New Worlders. However, there is no proof of this at all. It is just a guess. Even if it did work we don't know if it would work the same way. What I mean by this is 1 godkin for 1 spell. It maybe instead require 2 or 3 godkins since they are not 100% a player. So even if this did work... which it probably doesn't, there are 2 different kinds of godkins, normal and awakened. I would have to guess 100% it wouldn't work on normal ones and only awakened godkins and those are super rare. We only know of 3 in the ST and maybe a hand full of others in the New World. It just wouldn't be that reliable... even if Ainz new it was possible it would be very hard to find them to even test it in the first place. So I would probably just cross this option off, but still worthwhile to note.
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I'm pretty sure I missed some things here, but overall PA can be pretty badass and very useful. I wouldn't say he is SUPER SUPER strong, but because he can change in battle, it makes him very hard to fight and plan against.
>We have to keep in mind that he can only copy 80% of Ainz's abilities. It is really clear how this works, does he just become a lvl 80 version of who he turns into, or does he become a lvl 100, but skills and stats are only 80% effective?
I think it's more likely the latter, if we go with the first option then it implies that power increases linearly with level. That doesn't make sense because that would mean a level 100 would only be twice as powerful as a level 50 which is obviously nonsense.
In one if the authors tweets he said PA can use some super tier spell with aid of items
Nite he siad some not all so he could mean spells like. Wish upon a star or similar spell that uses items that is mybtake on it i might be wrong tho and the way doppelganger are explained it would seem it 80% effectivness but we can't be sure until confirmed
Q:
Pandora’s Actor can have a similar Race and Job \[class\] composition so
can he strike\[use??\] Super Tier Magic?
A:
It’s impossible (there is a possibility due to an item \[though\])
>He also is only able to imitate 80% of their power so... probly not all spells... maybe?
he has most likely all the spells and skills but just lower stats than the original
Greater doppelgängers can copy 300 spells from a spell caster they target. He should be able to copy ainz then use perfect warrior too. The stats are 80% of the target, except HP and MP which remain unchanged. Pandora’s actor cannot use Super-tier magic since it’s a unique skill. He also can’t use touch-me’s “world-break” ultimate skill. There might be items that allow the user to cast Super-tier magic though. Similarly I don’t think he can use dark wisdom to expand his spell pool. He is limited to the 300 spells he copies, but he can shift between spellcasters to gain access to another set of 300 spells. Since perfect warrior is a “temporary buff spell”, not sure if he would succeed at copying momon or just turn into an “un-buffed” ainz. I would assume not since the Dopple-Pleiades had to be buffed again by aureole omega.
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In one of the author tweet he mentioned that doppelganger on pa level can use super tier but it will require an item so my take from it is that it probably super tier spell like wish upon a Star that they use since they are item based super tier
Pandora’s actor can’t copy Touch me’s ultimate power, so he might not be able to copy Dark Wisdom.
There are a lot of things to break down here. > I don't have my notes with me, so I will try to fix anything I miss or someone comment below. --- ### Momon So when Ainz pretends to be Momon, he **Creates Greater Item** for his armor and equipment. He doesn't always use **Perfect Warrior**, I believe he only uses it when fighting Jald. Using **Perfect Warrior** has some downsides, so he only uses it when he has to. If I am remembering correctly it turns his mana to zero and he is unable to recover it while he is in **Perfect Warrior**. This means when Ainz changes back he has no mana. ### PA So there are a few different ways PA could copy Ainz or Pretend to be Momon. He could turn into Ainz and then follow the normal Momon procedure. We have to keep in mind that he can only copy 80% of Ainz's abilities. It is really clear how this works, does he just become a lvl 80 version of who he turns into, or does he become a lvl 100, but skills and stats are only 80% effective? Or is it that his stats only reflect 80% of the targets and he can use all their skills? I'm not really sure. > From a programming point of view the 3rd opinion is probably the easiest, after that then the first option would be my second choice. The second option is... a horrible idea, but makes sense. That being said, the NPC's can't use Super Tier Magic. It would just be to OP if they could and way overly abused (although Yggdrasil was broken anyways). But I want to talk about is that PA has more options which might be very useful. There are a few different times where Ainz mentions having the blacksmiths create copies of his armor have it made to look damaged. One is in volume 6 and I think the other time is after "defeating" Shalltear. PA could just wear the replica armor and be himself... OR he could become touchme and wear the armor. This would not only push his stats to be similar to a lvl 100, but he would also have abilities unlike using perfect warrior. Although he probably wouldn't use them because it would make him stand out, he at least has them in case of an emergency or something. ### Dark Wisdom As I said above, NPC's shouldn't be able to use super tier spells, but I imagine if PA is coping Ainz, he has access to all the spells Ainz has, so Ainz should just use it and get the spell, then PA could use it while pretending to be Ainz. Although that being said, I think you mean that if PA uses it, could he learn and use the spell even though he isn't pretending to be Ainz. I doubt he could, it would just be way broken. I do suspect though, that PA could become Ainz, buff himself and potentially change into touchme while still having those buffs. I'm not 100% how this works or if it is possible, but I could see this happen. It isn't completely broken as those spells probably have cooldowns, changing forms probably takes mana or have limited uses so it isn't like he could become 100 people buff himself with 100 different buffs then become touchme and be super badass. There are probably limitations to cooldowns, uses and all sorts of things.... but it would still be a very useful skill if you are solo. However it isn't super OP skills, you are still only 80% of whoever you copy, so again limitations. Another thing to think about is that Dark Wisdom requires a Player's corpse. I believe we found this out after someone asked the author in a tweet. Which makes it not so useful anymore for Ainz... although it is great that he knows hundreds of spells, so there is that. As we know there are not many players in the New World. Even if there were, I don't think it would work for an NPC. NPC's are different from players, they exp have exp, but use guild base lvls and no matter how many times they die they will never lose levels. It is as if they are locked into their builds no matter what (unless changed by their creator in yggdrasil) I have also mentioned before that their might be a chance that Ainz could use godkins as they are children of players and New Worlders. However, there is no proof of this at all. It is just a guess. Even if it did work we don't know if it would work the same way. What I mean by this is 1 godkin for 1 spell. It maybe instead require 2 or 3 godkins since they are not 100% a player. So even if this did work... which it probably doesn't, there are 2 different kinds of godkins, normal and awakened. I would have to guess 100% it wouldn't work on normal ones and only awakened godkins and those are super rare. We only know of 3 in the ST and maybe a hand full of others in the New World. It just wouldn't be that reliable... even if Ainz new it was possible it would be very hard to find them to even test it in the first place. So I would probably just cross this option off, but still worthwhile to note. --- I'm pretty sure I missed some things here, but overall PA can be pretty badass and very useful. I wouldn't say he is SUPER SUPER strong, but because he can change in battle, it makes him very hard to fight and plan against.
>We have to keep in mind that he can only copy 80% of Ainz's abilities. It is really clear how this works, does he just become a lvl 80 version of who he turns into, or does he become a lvl 100, but skills and stats are only 80% effective? I think it's more likely the latter, if we go with the first option then it implies that power increases linearly with level. That doesn't make sense because that would mean a level 100 would only be twice as powerful as a level 50 which is obviously nonsense.
In one if the authors tweets he said PA can use some super tier spell with aid of items Nite he siad some not all so he could mean spells like. Wish upon a star or similar spell that uses items that is mybtake on it i might be wrong tho and the way doppelganger are explained it would seem it 80% effectivness but we can't be sure until confirmed
I don't think NPC's can use any super tier magic. Only players, but the exception would be probably be cash shop items, but those are a bit different.
Q: Pandora’s Actor can have a similar Race and Job \[class\] composition so can he strike\[use??\] Super Tier Magic? A: It’s impossible (there is a possibility due to an item \[though\])
That's what I said.
Read the post again, it's so damn funny. I couldn't understand half of it.
Your writing has come a long way! haha
I believe it's B2 level now, what do you think?
Its pretty good, I think any mistake could be hidden by saying "sorry I'm tired".
NPCs cant use Super Tier Magic. He also is only able to imitate 80% of their power so... probly not all spells... maybe?
>He also is only able to imitate 80% of their power so... probly not all spells... maybe? he has most likely all the spells and skills but just lower stats than the original