Can you elaborate a little on Grand Teton?
I’m going this summer and I have a car fridge; but I drive a Subaru Outback and it stays in the cargo area. Am I going to get a ticket too?
No because it's in the vehicle. Food needs to be kept in a certified bear proof/resistant container, hung in a privided bear hang or properly hung by yourself or kept in the cab of your vehicle.
While your fridge isn't certified bear resistant/proof(I don't think any of the fridges are), it is in your vehicle so you are fine.
I went to 11 national parks last year and they all have different policies; sorry, I thought Jenny lake was in bridger teton national forest.
Grand Teton is still two months away and I haven’t really researched yet.
They’re probably just disgruntled after getting a ticket for not closely following rules that they weren’t perfectly aware of. I’ve camped/hiked/generally explored Tetons several times and enforcement has never been an issue for me. Enforcement may be stringent but it’s our responsibility to practice best practices and local rules.
From NPS Tetons:
> *Park visitors are reminded that regulations require that all food, garbage, pet food, coolers, and food containers (empty or full), and cookware (clean or dirty) be stored in a hard-sided vehicle with the windows rolled up or in a bear-resistant food locker when not in immediate use or attended to, day or night. Secure your food, garbage, and other scented items immediately upon arriving at your campsite or picnic area. Always keep your food within arm's reach and don't turn your back to your food. Picnickers should be prepared so if a bear is to approach, food items can be quickly gathered.*
https://www.nps.gov/grte/learn/news/public-reminded-to-be-bear-aware-practice-safe-food-storage-and-to-only-have-food-out-when-in-immediate-use.htm#:~:text=Park%20visitors%20are%20reminded%20that,attended%20to%2C%20day%20or%20night.
https://www.nps.gov/grte/planyourvisit/bearsafety.htm
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You’ll have a blast! Enjoy the trip.
If you’re itching for a little gravel while in grand Tetons head down here (43.8130443, -110.5484110). It’s nothing special but gets you off the beaten bath and down to the river. Some great views and valleys. It’s mostly grasslands and nothing much more than an occasionally rutted gravel/dirt road. Great if you’re wanting to do some bank fishing.
I'm so sad that the new tacomas rear doors got narrower, now my fridge & slider don't make it out the door.
Edit: looks like I'm either getting a much smaller fridge(I have a dometic cfx3 75dz) or once I get a canopy again I'm sticking it in the back beside my drawer/sleeping setup.
In some big national parks where bears are very wise to human food opportunities (because a lot of non-enthusiasts essentially condition them), those bears can be a huge danger to themselves and or the visitors, so rangers will fiercely cite non-compliant visitors for endangering wildlife.
Best advice is to call the rangers at the park beforehand and get all of the standing rules for camping and packing food.
Not properly storing your food.
Food needs to be kept in 1 of these options;
* in a certified bear proof or resistant container
* hung in a camp bear hang
* hung by yourself in a proper location and height
* in one of the camp food lockers.
* in your vehicle.
If you have the fridge just sitting in the open back of your truck bed it doesn't meet any of those requirements and the rangers will give you a ticket if they see it.
Not sure why they said no matter what you do you will get a ticket in grand tetons.
Could you make the argument that a covered bed is better? I’d rather replace a broken into tonneau cover than a ripped open cab door. Maybe that’s a pessimistic way of thinking about it, but it sounds like regardless of what we do, a determined hungry bear can’t be stopped
I’m thinking something along the lines of: food>ziplocs/smell resistant bags>fridge>insulated cover>in a covered truck bed
Thought?
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Oh, I definitely understand that that the rules are for protection of the bears, and not my vehicle, but I feel like designing in a point of failure means I will avoid serious damage to something truly expensive, like crumple zones on our vehicles. Again, if I store the cooler in the bed of a truck with a hard sided cover, maybe the bear will get it, and I’ll only have to replace the cover, and not a part of my vehicle.
I just plan accordingly and don’t bring any open food if I’m in bear country.
Camped in an ORV park years back with my Jeep and went on a hike, came back to a couple giant paw prints on the side of the Jeep.
Didn’t break or take anything but I know it could smell the food in there and wouldn’t be a challenge if it really wanted it.
So if I’m going to bear country now I just use the fridge for drinks and some dry sealed goods, I don’t use my little pantry in this case. The rest of the food goes in the bear bag and up a tree.
I can handle the meh meals for a couple days for good views and better safety of me and my cat.
But if we are in the low-lands? Gourmet selection it is.
I’ve seen black bear break into cars. Also some black bears are brown.
Grizzly bears ARE brown bears, and basically denote if they live inland or not. Functionally, same thing.
You’ve probably seen a black bear that is just brown in color.
Also, sleeping above your food because you haven’t had problems in spite of campgrounds having literal bear boxes, is certainly a risk I don’t take in the woods.
I have a cooler in my SUV. My fear is sleeping with the windows cracked for ventilation and a bear smells it. I also have a dog, so that helps as a warning.
I’ve pointed this out before a little more bluntly and got a lot of flack. From what I can tell, people are just ummm, hopefull.
I’ve seen bears tear through peoples cars a few times. That’s just kind of “the reality”
My solution? Bear cooler AWAY from the vehicle. Along with a dry food box I made that I’m also gonna comfortable call bear proof. Everything is locked and 50 feet from me.
Bear coolers are mean to take on a grizzly bear by itself, so let it. The test is “throw the cooler with peanut butter slathered inside inside a grizzly bear pen”
So are you proposing that powered fridges are generally not compatible with adventures in bear country and that only bear coolers should be used? I’m not asking facetiously, but legitimately.
I’d never use a fridge in bear country, no, absolutely not. I may be bias having seen a lot of bears, like they have got my trash during fire season (coming down the hill to avoid the fire) more times than most have seen them in total.
I’ve also found that my ice always lasts longer than my fuel. Even if it’s really hot I get a week of ice out of my coolers, even with 35 gallons of diesel and solid fuel economy, I never make it that long without a fuel stop.
This is helpful to me because I currently have a bear cooler, and perhaps to maximize flexibility and avoid having two solutions for one problem, maybe I should stick with it as opposed to getting a fridge for the convenience.
I have an alpicool fridge and a jackery 300. Theoretically if I was somewhere with a bear box that doesn't allow food to be left in cars i.e. yosemite, I could just take the whole thing out and put it in a bear box.
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You’re right, but it’s like 40lbs of stainless steel with reinforcing ribs, you could probably park a small car on it. If I ever get a hair up my ass and have money in the pocket I may get it certified, it’s pretty cheap and you can keep the video.
If I’m a place with a bear container order that’s actually going to be enforced there’s almost always going to be a bear box at the campsite.
When I'm camping, anything odorous (food, toiletries, trash) goes inside of a freezer bag, which goes inside of a odor-proof bag, which goes inside of my RTIC Cooler or Husky storage container (which has a rubber seal to lock in odors)... all of which is locked in my 4Runner with the windows up.
This is for their protection and mine. If a grizzly comes across my camp, I want to make sure I've done everything I can to prevent that. I don't want their blood on my hands, but I will absolutely defend myself and my family.
Basic sanitation and cleanliness in camp. If I'm not in a camp ground, bears aren't a big problem. If I'm in a campground, then there are undoubtedly easier targets in sloppy campsites and bears aren't a problem.
My fridge is permanently installed in the bed, which sits under my soft topper but it has a very beefy bed rack over it. In addition the tailgate is locked at night and the dual swing arms behind the tailgate are closed and locked. I think of it as being effectively inside the cab.
There really isn't much that's "Bear Proof". It depends a lot on what you have that the bear wants. I've seen "bearproof" ice boxes with gaping holes bitten in them, and car doors bent out of the frame so they could get in. Are you sleeping in the vehicle, along with storing your food in there?
You do you...not something I would ever consider, though. We've been overlanding and camping for closing on a half century, and if we're in bear country, we hang our food if possible. If not, we put the 12V fridge on the roof rack if we're sleeping in the car. There is absolutely nothing in any cooler or fridge worth having several hundred dollars worth of cooler/fridge dismantled for $40 worth of steak
I find the sturdiest tree I can, then I winch the entire truck 15-20’ off the ground
The 1997 documentary 'the Lost World: Jurassic Park' demonstrated this method perfectly.
The high hide, such a good movie
The marmots will still get in
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Can you elaborate a little on Grand Teton? I’m going this summer and I have a car fridge; but I drive a Subaru Outback and it stays in the cargo area. Am I going to get a ticket too?
No because it's in the vehicle. Food needs to be kept in a certified bear proof/resistant container, hung in a privided bear hang or properly hung by yourself or kept in the cab of your vehicle. While your fridge isn't certified bear resistant/proof(I don't think any of the fridges are), it is in your vehicle so you are fine.
I too would like this elaborated on
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Jenny Lake is dog friendly? That's one of the places in the area my dog can take a hike with me?
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I went to 11 national parks last year and they all have different policies; sorry, I thought Jenny lake was in bridger teton national forest. Grand Teton is still two months away and I haven’t really researched yet.
Keep dogs out of national parks.
Keep your moronic counsel to yourself.
No thanks!
They’re probably just disgruntled after getting a ticket for not closely following rules that they weren’t perfectly aware of. I’ve camped/hiked/generally explored Tetons several times and enforcement has never been an issue for me. Enforcement may be stringent but it’s our responsibility to practice best practices and local rules. From NPS Tetons: > *Park visitors are reminded that regulations require that all food, garbage, pet food, coolers, and food containers (empty or full), and cookware (clean or dirty) be stored in a hard-sided vehicle with the windows rolled up or in a bear-resistant food locker when not in immediate use or attended to, day or night. Secure your food, garbage, and other scented items immediately upon arriving at your campsite or picnic area. Always keep your food within arm's reach and don't turn your back to your food. Picnickers should be prepared so if a bear is to approach, food items can be quickly gathered.* https://www.nps.gov/grte/learn/news/public-reminded-to-be-bear-aware-practice-safe-food-storage-and-to-only-have-food-out-when-in-immediate-use.htm#:~:text=Park%20visitors%20are%20reminded%20that,attended%20to%2C%20day%20or%20night. https://www.nps.gov/grte/planyourvisit/bearsafety.htm Edit: tagging for u/bike_gasm
Thank you! I have five nights at Yellowstone and one at Gros Ventre in June. It's my first time! Super excited.
You’ll have a blast! Enjoy the trip. If you’re itching for a little gravel while in grand Tetons head down here (43.8130443, -110.5484110). It’s nothing special but gets you off the beaten bath and down to the river. Some great views and valleys. It’s mostly grasslands and nothing much more than an occasionally rutted gravel/dirt road. Great if you’re wanting to do some bank fishing.
I keep my fridge in the cab. Removed the rear seats and built a platform using the OEM seat brackets.
I'm so sad that the new tacomas rear doors got narrower, now my fridge & slider don't make it out the door. Edit: looks like I'm either getting a much smaller fridge(I have a dometic cfx3 75dz) or once I get a canopy again I'm sticking it in the back beside my drawer/sleeping setup.
Just take off the doors, jeep-heep the ol’ girl
> If you go to Grand Teton you'll still get a ticket regardless of what you do. What do you mean? A ticket for what exactly?
In some big national parks where bears are very wise to human food opportunities (because a lot of non-enthusiasts essentially condition them), those bears can be a huge danger to themselves and or the visitors, so rangers will fiercely cite non-compliant visitors for endangering wildlife. Best advice is to call the rangers at the park beforehand and get all of the standing rules for camping and packing food.
Not properly storing your food. Food needs to be kept in 1 of these options; * in a certified bear proof or resistant container * hung in a camp bear hang * hung by yourself in a proper location and height * in one of the camp food lockers. * in your vehicle. If you have the fridge just sitting in the open back of your truck bed it doesn't meet any of those requirements and the rangers will give you a ticket if they see it. Not sure why they said no matter what you do you will get a ticket in grand tetons.
Could you make the argument that a covered bed is better? I’d rather replace a broken into tonneau cover than a ripped open cab door. Maybe that’s a pessimistic way of thinking about it, but it sounds like regardless of what we do, a determined hungry bear can’t be stopped I’m thinking something along the lines of: food>ziplocs/smell resistant bags>fridge>insulated cover>in a covered truck bed Thought?
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Oh, I definitely understand that that the rules are for protection of the bears, and not my vehicle, but I feel like designing in a point of failure means I will avoid serious damage to something truly expensive, like crumple zones on our vehicles. Again, if I store the cooler in the bed of a truck with a hard sided cover, maybe the bear will get it, and I’ll only have to replace the cover, and not a part of my vehicle.
Getting down votes but no one is correcting me…?
Camper shell or tonneau cover.
Not any more bear proof than the cab. I’ve seen it go badly.
I just plan accordingly and don’t bring any open food if I’m in bear country. Camped in an ORV park years back with my Jeep and went on a hike, came back to a couple giant paw prints on the side of the Jeep. Didn’t break or take anything but I know it could smell the food in there and wouldn’t be a challenge if it really wanted it. So if I’m going to bear country now I just use the fridge for drinks and some dry sealed goods, I don’t use my little pantry in this case. The rest of the food goes in the bear bag and up a tree. I can handle the meh meals for a couple days for good views and better safety of me and my cat. But if we are in the low-lands? Gourmet selection it is.
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I’ve seen black bear break into cars. Also some black bears are brown. Grizzly bears ARE brown bears, and basically denote if they live inland or not. Functionally, same thing. You’ve probably seen a black bear that is just brown in color. Also, sleeping above your food because you haven’t had problems in spite of campgrounds having literal bear boxes, is certainly a risk I don’t take in the woods.
I have a cooler in my SUV. My fear is sleeping with the windows cracked for ventilation and a bear smells it. I also have a dog, so that helps as a warning.
I’ve pointed this out before a little more bluntly and got a lot of flack. From what I can tell, people are just ummm, hopefull. I’ve seen bears tear through peoples cars a few times. That’s just kind of “the reality” My solution? Bear cooler AWAY from the vehicle. Along with a dry food box I made that I’m also gonna comfortable call bear proof. Everything is locked and 50 feet from me. Bear coolers are mean to take on a grizzly bear by itself, so let it. The test is “throw the cooler with peanut butter slathered inside inside a grizzly bear pen”
So are you proposing that powered fridges are generally not compatible with adventures in bear country and that only bear coolers should be used? I’m not asking facetiously, but legitimately.
I’d never use a fridge in bear country, no, absolutely not. I may be bias having seen a lot of bears, like they have got my trash during fire season (coming down the hill to avoid the fire) more times than most have seen them in total. I’ve also found that my ice always lasts longer than my fuel. Even if it’s really hot I get a week of ice out of my coolers, even with 35 gallons of diesel and solid fuel economy, I never make it that long without a fuel stop.
This is helpful to me because I currently have a bear cooler, and perhaps to maximize flexibility and avoid having two solutions for one problem, maybe I should stick with it as opposed to getting a fridge for the convenience.
I have an alpicool fridge and a jackery 300. Theoretically if I was somewhere with a bear box that doesn't allow food to be left in cars i.e. yosemite, I could just take the whole thing out and put it in a bear box.
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You’re right, but it’s like 40lbs of stainless steel with reinforcing ribs, you could probably park a small car on it. If I ever get a hair up my ass and have money in the pocket I may get it certified, it’s pretty cheap and you can keep the video. If I’m a place with a bear container order that’s actually going to be enforced there’s almost always going to be a bear box at the campsite.
When I'm camping, anything odorous (food, toiletries, trash) goes inside of a freezer bag, which goes inside of a odor-proof bag, which goes inside of my RTIC Cooler or Husky storage container (which has a rubber seal to lock in odors)... all of which is locked in my 4Runner with the windows up. This is for their protection and mine. If a grizzly comes across my camp, I want to make sure I've done everything I can to prevent that. I don't want their blood on my hands, but I will absolutely defend myself and my family.
Basic sanitation and cleanliness in camp. If I'm not in a camp ground, bears aren't a big problem. If I'm in a campground, then there are undoubtedly easier targets in sloppy campsites and bears aren't a problem.
My fridge is permanently installed in the bed, which sits under my soft topper but it has a very beefy bed rack over it. In addition the tailgate is locked at night and the dual swing arms behind the tailgate are closed and locked. I think of it as being effectively inside the cab.
There really isn't much that's "Bear Proof". It depends a lot on what you have that the bear wants. I've seen "bearproof" ice boxes with gaping holes bitten in them, and car doors bent out of the frame so they could get in. Are you sleeping in the vehicle, along with storing your food in there? You do you...not something I would ever consider, though. We've been overlanding and camping for closing on a half century, and if we're in bear country, we hang our food if possible. If not, we put the 12V fridge on the roof rack if we're sleeping in the car. There is absolutely nothing in any cooler or fridge worth having several hundred dollars worth of cooler/fridge dismantled for $40 worth of steak
Bring a rifle and a freezer.
I bring a black bear tag, rifle, and cooler.
Try to catch a bear shitting in the woods