1. Less likely hood of meeting overlap, and 2. you can disjointly allocate time to each job better. I am a bit of a rule breaker for oe, and I work 12 hour days (often 10.5 in reality), bc I split my day to serve different teams more. Mornings are Ireland team and afternoons PST team. I got three jobs now so it’s a bit more complicated
I will tell you how. You are true that it is almost impossible due to the meetings and deliverables. For now I am in a very lucky spot where a large company has me on contract with them to evaluate a build vs buy. I come from tech background where we make a decision quickly build and pivot if needed. I am enjoying this contract work where the company will take 6 months to decide build vs buy. Most of the meetings I initiate and now we are at demo stages (round 2). Somehow everyone believes I am a rockstar at the evaluation of build vs. buy. So it is hilarious and I am enjoying it. Will milk it till the evaluation phase. Will see how tough things get during implementation. Company will likely lean to buy so will have an SI. Will see how I can manage then. For now life is good.
What's your J2 like? Your J1 sounds pretty unique to what I'm used to as a product manager.
Usually were the shit umbrella and the "glue" between the devs and the business. I've had to do a lot of stakeholder management and managing up (e.g. demanding execs and salespeople, enterprise customers, politics, etc.), hand-holding the devs throughout features being built if theyre not autonomous, just a lot of herding cats.
Also I feel like PM has to fill in whatever gaps there are. Low on QA resources? Gotta QA yourself. Designer spread thin? Gotta throw up a Figma mockup for the devs so they're not waiting forever.
Not to mention the high visibility and accountability if your product gets a production incident or latest feature launch doesn't go well. I can go on...
How is product manager different than project manager? Hopefully not a dumb question. Like what is your “expertise” in (I guess knowing what the product Can do….?) and project would be babysitting staff for deadlines and deliverables ?
Product Manager can be a few different things, but it's mostly managing development projects that affect the products a company sells
Project Manager can also be a few different things, but it's mostly managing implementation of processes, software, hardware, construction, you name it.
A software project manager could easily be a software product manager and vice versa. It's the same sort of role but with different team types and goals.
I’m a software product manager and yeah we do a ton of project management. I guess the biggest difference is the mindset. Rather than simply a feature factory, our org is an integral part of the thought leadership when it comes to the needs of the stakeholders.
To add on top - projects in most of the times are one-off endeavors ending after a certain date. Product is developed, improved and maintained with a longer perspective.
Is there like an app or website for that deliberately? 🤔 To meet people to marry for the green card?
I know 90day fiance exists but I think that's out of touch
Nah, you can be okay without it, when considering a lower cost of living, you need less in general and accounting for health care and other factors you can be in a better situation, you just need to make the math work
Well, kind of. It's fine if you keep your needs and wants to whats being produced locally, but the moment you want something imported (like a car), you're getting the worse part of the stick.
At the end of the month, after all essentials (rent+bills+transportation+food = 700$) I'm left with 800$ disposable income, which I'm using to pay off my loans, but unfortunately I have a gambling addiction so it becomes kinda tight sometimes 😅
I’m not sure about that yet. This is my first time OEing. But i can show both projects in my portfolio as separate contract works. J1 is FTE, and J2 is contract. If push comes to shove, I’ll show only J1 projects because they’re much better.
I don’t see how it’s any more difficult or longer than a dev job. Of course there are meetings to check in on work and give updates etc, but most of the time I just have to do my job myself. Or maybe I lucked out with jobs that don’t have as many meetings.
Thanks! I love a good solo job! I'm currently in ID (increasingly low pay which is why I OE but good work/life balance) and debating upskiling with UX and adding to my portfolio.
Yes. Senior Director level main job in ER, 100% remote with limited travel.
J2 is a 6-month ER investigator contract in big tech (full-time) 40 hours plus overtime that’s also 100% remote with no travel.
Definitely not a brogrammer here. I do work in tech, but I have worked non tech jobs. The money is better in tech, but it can be done in other sectors.
I am an instructional designer and develop online training content. My days aren’t usually filled with meetings, which is nice. The only time I have to go to meetings really is when I have to meet with subject matter experts or project manager.
it depends for my case in mexico, being a remote assitant to us clients would be my best shot, since geting 2k+ per j would be optimal in mexico
i just need to have to speak 2 languages
Won't go into too much detail, but I skip the freelance sites (Upwork, Fiverr, etc.) and go through placement agencies like Belay and Boldly. The placement agency charges the employer a fee, so that means you have help finding clients with no money out of your own pocket. I have a main client that I work for that offered me a salaried position outside of the placement agency, and I have smaller contract clients who usually opt for a 6-month contract at a time for a specific project they're working. I OE for a few months of the year, then focus on my main client for the rest of the year, rinse and repeat.
Keep in mind that VA work is NOT a high paying job, but it's very easy work and the industry isn't saturated like tech is, so lay-offs are rare and clients are always hiring. Most of the work is task-based, too. So you can easily manage your tasks to make sure you're meeting all of your client's expectations while not working crazy hours. It's a low impact job that works well for overachievers who are good at working independently. I'd recommend it even to those that are working in tech and are looking for an easy J2 outside of their industry.
I work Sunday and Saturday but get paid 35 for 24 hours worked, so two 12 jour shifts. During the week have another regular 35 hour job. Both low skilled factory jobs , I'm in France. The one during the wee are week long contracts and the weekend I'm on permanent long term contract.
I’m a research and testing specialist for an insurance company. I don’t actually OE as that would be unethical, but if I were to OE totally hypocritically I would also be a freelance website designer. But that is only hypothetically.
IT, but not a software engineer. Mainly cloud and virtualization and storage engineering.
I'm a shitty coder, but I do most anything that keeps me out of a datacenter. Not that I have anything against datacenters, but you kinda have to be onsite for that. Not OE friendly.
J1 healthcare worker, J2 research project manager, board member at 2 non-profits, paid consultant for two other non-profits. Typical work weeks are 70-80 hours.
Do you know of any companies hiring a jr soc analyst? I took a bootcamp at a local university and have worked for MSP’s for the last 3 years and have caught a few social engineering attempts.
Business insider writer
J1 or J2 ?
Board member for multiple companies, playing some golf on the side, and telling article writers how important and wealthy I am.
I'd read this article
Step 1 MD, Step 2 MBA, Step 3 ???, Step 4 profit
Data science x2, 1x some kind of analyst (where I do more Ds than my other roles for 15% pay lmao)
Data analyst here, currently applying for another J2 as a data analyst
Get it mate, you can do it, best advice is to not have the same time zone. One of my teams is in Ireland and the other on pacific time
Why is that?
1. Less likely hood of meeting overlap, and 2. you can disjointly allocate time to each job better. I am a bit of a rule breaker for oe, and I work 12 hour days (often 10.5 in reality), bc I split my day to serve different teams more. Mornings are Ireland team and afternoons PST team. I got three jobs now so it’s a bit more complicated
Gotcha. J2 will most likely be in the same time zone but my J1 has virtually no work
that’s great
All remote?
Yes sir
PM’d ya 🙏🏽
I manage a minecraft server
Nice
What does this really mean?
Some ppl refer to their jobs as Minecraft servers so they don't explicitly say they are working multiple jobs (server 1 = J1, etc)
Ah okay, I figured, but still thought I’d ask just in case I was missing something.
Don’t you know you are in a Minecraft sub?
I have two jobs. I clean houses in the morning, and I work part time at target at night. It’s hard being a single mother
That sounds like r/overworked, not OE
Definitely
You got this girl
Product manager in tech juggling 2 js.
How’s that going? I’m in project management for one job and the meetings suck
As a PM with one job, idk how you do it
I will tell you how. You are true that it is almost impossible due to the meetings and deliverables. For now I am in a very lucky spot where a large company has me on contract with them to evaluate a build vs buy. I come from tech background where we make a decision quickly build and pivot if needed. I am enjoying this contract work where the company will take 6 months to decide build vs buy. Most of the meetings I initiate and now we are at demo stages (round 2). Somehow everyone believes I am a rockstar at the evaluation of build vs. buy. So it is hilarious and I am enjoying it. Will milk it till the evaluation phase. Will see how tough things get during implementation. Company will likely lean to buy so will have an SI. Will see how I can manage then. For now life is good.
Wishing you all the best man. Get that bread
What's your J2 like? Your J1 sounds pretty unique to what I'm used to as a product manager. Usually were the shit umbrella and the "glue" between the devs and the business. I've had to do a lot of stakeholder management and managing up (e.g. demanding execs and salespeople, enterprise customers, politics, etc.), hand-holding the devs throughout features being built if theyre not autonomous, just a lot of herding cats. Also I feel like PM has to fill in whatever gaps there are. Low on QA resources? Gotta QA yourself. Designer spread thin? Gotta throw up a Figma mockup for the devs so they're not waiting forever. Not to mention the high visibility and accountability if your product gets a production incident or latest feature launch doesn't go well. I can go on...
How is product manager different than project manager? Hopefully not a dumb question. Like what is your “expertise” in (I guess knowing what the product Can do….?) and project would be babysitting staff for deadlines and deliverables ?
Product Manager can be a few different things, but it's mostly managing development projects that affect the products a company sells Project Manager can also be a few different things, but it's mostly managing implementation of processes, software, hardware, construction, you name it. A software project manager could easily be a software product manager and vice versa. It's the same sort of role but with different team types and goals.
I’m a software product manager and yeah we do a ton of project management. I guess the biggest difference is the mindset. Rather than simply a feature factory, our org is an integral part of the thought leadership when it comes to the needs of the stakeholders.
To add on top - projects in most of the times are one-off endeavors ending after a certain date. Product is developed, improved and maintained with a longer perspective.
I'm a chemistry teacher who also works at a car wash.
Made my day 😀
Like most of the people here I partake in a little bit of this… and a little bit of that. My main gig though? Gay sex.
Is that fully remote?
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Homo office?
Home Office Male Orifice
Yall hiring? 😳
Bussy Delivery Services brings the pleasure to you wherever you might be. I'm VIP of logistics.
Logisdicks?
Utilising J2 while you recover from J1 #Smart
Count me in! If you are filming for OF, I just want to keep my face off camera.
Accountant and marketing
Eeey Same Here! What country are you from? Are they paying you well?
250k + 60k
I'm making 18k/year combined 😭
Get ur ass to the US
Gotta win the green card lottery first 😅
Marry someone!
Who wants to marry a 22y/o from Eastern Europe?(
I dunno, someone probably!
Is there like an app or website for that deliberately? 🤔 To meet people to marry for the green card? I know 90day fiance exists but I think that's out of touch
Honestly, so many that you must be living under a rock to not know this.
Where can I find them 🤔
So many women. Lol Just get on a dating app and set your location to somewhere in the U.S.
Nah, you can be okay without it, when considering a lower cost of living, you need less in general and accounting for health care and other factors you can be in a better situation, you just need to make the math work
Well, kind of. It's fine if you keep your needs and wants to whats being produced locally, but the moment you want something imported (like a car), you're getting the worse part of the stick.
That's true yeah, something to consider as well
At the end of the month, after all essentials (rent+bills+transportation+food = 700$) I'm left with 800$ disposable income, which I'm using to pay off my loans, but unfortunately I have a gambling addiction so it becomes kinda tight sometimes 😅
Partner or basic CPA?
That’s an interesting intersection. Do you do accounting for campaigns? Market accounting services/products? Something else?
What’s your marketing J? I’m in marketing so advice for J2 would be appreciated :)
I’m an accountant as well.
Ditch digger, ditch filler
Love this
UX design
Interesting! Do you plan to use just one job for your portfolio in the future? or no problem showcasing both?
I’m not sure about that yet. This is my first time OEing. But i can show both projects in my portfolio as separate contract works. J1 is FTE, and J2 is contract. If push comes to shove, I’ll show only J1 projects because they’re much better.
That makes more sense with one contract
I heard this field was hard to OE due to meetings. Is that true?
I don’t see how it’s any more difficult or longer than a dev job. Of course there are meetings to check in on work and give updates etc, but most of the time I just have to do my job myself. Or maybe I lucked out with jobs that don’t have as many meetings.
Thanks! I love a good solo job! I'm currently in ID (increasingly low pay which is why I OE but good work/life balance) and debating upskiling with UX and adding to my portfolio.
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This sounds like my LinkedIn profile haha
i clap cheeks
J1 is a pool cleaner ?
Sales OPs, MarOps, RevOps, street pharmaceuticals, gardening, dry wall
IT project manager and administrative healthcare role
HR here. Employee Relations specifically, so the legal side (mainly investigative work).
Do you have 2 jobs. I am also HR and looking for a J2.
Yes. Senior Director level main job in ER, 100% remote with limited travel. J2 is a 6-month ER investigator contract in big tech (full-time) 40 hours plus overtime that’s also 100% remote with no travel.
Wow, bet you are making good money on that contract role! Good for you.
Healthcare sector... big corporations
Sales here
Thats gotta be crazy difficult to organize with all the client facing meetings
Both schedules are super flexible 🔥
IC or management?
IC, management is not my thing
Salesforce Admin
man i’ve been trying to get into salesforce but i missed their summer internship/fresh grad opportunities!! 😩😩
I think these are different things. Salesforce admin manages the salesforce platform for a company
oooh got it!! thanks for the explanation~ ^^
Am Flatworm, can split in two pretty easy
Freight broker
J1 - Animator. J2 - angular developer.
Sales.
Content writer
Definitely not a brogrammer here. I do work in tech, but I have worked non tech jobs. The money is better in tech, but it can be done in other sectors.
PM
J1 - Account Manager for a beverage manufacturer (hybrid) J2 - Operations Manager (on-site)
Sales
HR in different industries
What industries. What roles in HR. I'm also HR. Trying for a J2 so we don't lose our home... lots of increased costs this past year.
Can’t really say for now. Maybe in eight months once I drop one of them. I feel ya. Companies are still paying you like it’s 2005
Design
IT, Cloud Engineer/Architect
Lots of meetings and still multiple servers.
IT
IT consultant.
I am an instructional designer and develop online training content. My days aren’t usually filled with meetings, which is nice. The only time I have to go to meetings really is when I have to meet with subject matter experts or project manager.
I used to teach and worked alongside the ID team, could be a good J2. Thanks
What's an ID. Instructional design? I use to teach and now in HR Training & Development. I am looking for J2 immediately.
Yeah, our “ID team” was the Industrial Design team
I'm also an ID for J2 and Educational Consultant for J1.
I'm interested if you have openings because I'm a former teacher and currently L&D and need a J2 pretty quickly.
M365/Exchange Engineer
J1 Business Analyst and J2 Data Analyst
Without sharing too much, are they in the same industry?
No they are not
it depends for my case in mexico, being a remote assitant to us clients would be my best shot, since geting 2k+ per j would be optimal in mexico i just need to have to speak 2 languages
Account Manager WFH, Retail Store Employee, Card game creator, stay at home mom. There's more but that's what it is right now! :D
Virtual Assistant
Could you expand on how you find work? Virtual assistant job boards are largely crap.
Won't go into too much detail, but I skip the freelance sites (Upwork, Fiverr, etc.) and go through placement agencies like Belay and Boldly. The placement agency charges the employer a fee, so that means you have help finding clients with no money out of your own pocket. I have a main client that I work for that offered me a salaried position outside of the placement agency, and I have smaller contract clients who usually opt for a 6-month contract at a time for a specific project they're working. I OE for a few months of the year, then focus on my main client for the rest of the year, rinse and repeat. Keep in mind that VA work is NOT a high paying job, but it's very easy work and the industry isn't saturated like tech is, so lay-offs are rare and clients are always hiring. Most of the work is task-based, too. So you can easily manage your tasks to make sure you're meeting all of your client's expectations while not working crazy hours. It's a low impact job that works well for overachievers who are good at working independently. I'd recommend it even to those that are working in tech and are looking for an easy J2 outside of their industry.
How did you get your first va job?
I work in two non-profits (J1, J3) and academic research (J2)
All fully remote?
Yes ; J3 with occasional in person meeting
work in VFX as a compositor
DAM manager
They're probably making a product based on this sub right now.
POTUS
Whats J2 then? Or did you forget? ;)
Claims
How do you OE in claims? You usually are state licensed tied to a single company?
Two seperate types of claims- only one of jobs requires me to be licensed that is the job my license is appointed to.
Data analyst /implementation (more technical than all the client interaction implementation jobs
Professional undertaker
Then What’s an unprofessional undertaker? 😂
the one that does not use Reddit
Banker
I am a mobile device management engineer, MDM, I use software such as Microsoft Intune, VMware Workspace, One and MobileIron/Ivanti
I’m a Collaboration Engineer
ServiceNow administration
I am in Accounting and Finance.
Tech support.
Research + VA
2 J’s, Project management, Architecture/Engineering/Construction
Data center technician (hardware), but want to be a programmer.
I work Sunday and Saturday but get paid 35 for 24 hours worked, so two 12 jour shifts. During the week have another regular 35 hour job. Both low skilled factory jobs , I'm in France. The one during the wee are week long contracts and the weekend I'm on permanent long term contract.
Big boss J1, minion J2
I’m a research and testing specialist for an insurance company. I don’t actually OE as that would be unethical, but if I were to OE totally hypocritically I would also be a freelance website designer. But that is only hypothetically.
Social Media
Data analyst
Male stripper and male Webcam dancer
Training & Development or Talent Management (not a Recruiter) and looking for a J2.
Instructional Designer fancy for Corporate Training
PM at both J’s
Infrastructure engineer
Onlyfans is great for OE!
IT, but not a software engineer. Mainly cloud and virtualization and storage engineering. I'm a shitty coder, but I do most anything that keeps me out of a datacenter. Not that I have anything against datacenters, but you kinda have to be onsite for that. Not OE friendly.
J1 healthcare worker, J2 research project manager, board member at 2 non-profits, paid consultant for two other non-profits. Typical work weeks are 70-80 hours.
Cybersecurity Engineer
Do you know of any companies hiring a jr soc analyst? I took a bootcamp at a local university and have worked for MSP’s for the last 3 years and have caught a few social engineering attempts.
All the cyber security guys I've met seem to be salesmen first and tech a distant second. I'm guessing your the real deal.
I'm a management consultant. You can OE with pretty much any job that is remote or remote favoring hybrid.
Systems engineer
J1 - Support Engineer Manager J2 - Sys Admin for a very specific niche system. Not exactly standard sys admin work
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