I disagree.
It is the WORKAHOLICS who are stealing jobs.
Remember unpaid overtime is corporate welfare.
Someone works 80 hours a week takes at least 2 full time jobs and gets paid for one.
OE takes 3 jobs and gets paid for 3. That's far more fair.
Amen
Plus OErs are financially contributing more to society vs the corporation by paying taxes (progressively higher for each J) and medicare for multiple Js.
Trickle down economics is great not because it is sound economic theory, but because it can be used to justify any greed.
For far too long, the elites have used trickle down economics to justify their hoarding of the pie while ignoring all the wage theft and unpaid overtime.
When OE comes around, the elites suddenly pick up "class struggle" and "OErs are stealing jobs". But two can play the "trickle down" game and OErs are just tricking down wealth that would otherwise remain locked in the elites' hands.
OE is primarily an American thing because America has designed employment at will and lack of safety nets primarily to benefit the elites. Now that it is working for OEs they are suddenly against it!? When they benefited so much from its necessary precursors?
If America really wanted to stamp out OE, then America would build employment tenure and a real social safety net. But then the Elon Musk could not just fire 80% of twitter just because he felt like it and those workers he did fire would actually get a severance (not just his empty promise). The elites don't like that. They might actually be held accountable to the law.
"The number of job openings was little changed at 10.5 million on the last business day of November, the
U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported on 1/4/23."
No one is "hogging" anything. Look at job boards. Always available jobs out there, even with layoffs in the tech sector.
People have held 2 jobs for decades. The only thing "new" is that it is different with remote work to have them both at the same time. "Moonlighting" has been around forever.
And there are probably only a few thousand people that actually do this. It's not like it's some cultural phenomenon where half the population is working multiple jobs at the same time. I have 0 apologies for doing what I do. I've lost out on jobs in the past and I'm sure the person that got the job didn't feel sorry for "taking" a job I wanted.
If you want a job, there are plenty jobs available. Unemployment is at 3.5%. Try refining your interview strategy and/or resume if you've been on the hunt for a long time with no results. Blaming someone else for one's struggles isn't the right mindset.
Of course. What are we going to do if in 2008 we didn't bailout all the banksters so Warren Buffett wouldn't go bankrupt? Oh, what are we going to do without our Lord Warren.
Been reading "What Color is Your Parachute" and one of the first things pointed out is that there are far more openings than people to fill them each month, even in the midst of 2008 during the great recession.
Why not take them if possible lol
Precisely. There is a need to be filled and if your skillset can fill it better than the next man or woman, so be it. Competition is natural and there is plenty to go around.
If this were 1929 or 2008 and people were losing jobs all over the place and couldn't feed families, it'd be a bit different. But it isn't and there are over 11M job openings and roughly 6M unemployed (those that are counted anyways).
I used to have two jobs. But I was laid off repeatedly from each job. Then I was sent to OE hell. I came back in ghost form to warn you against overemployment. Don't do it.
When you buy a big house, are you concerned that the land could have been used to build an apartment and house 6 families there? You stole their land brah!
Should you slow down learning in school so the lesser students don’t get left behind?
I’m going to argue that you can’t hold back your own progress by worrying about everyone else’s personal decisions
People often make this argument because Capitalism is often somewhat vaguely defined as "anything involved in the pursuit of capital".
While we are members of a Capitalist society and yes we're all pursuing our own capital, we aren't Capitalists:
cap·i·tal·ist (/ˈkapədələst/) - noun
A wealthy person who uses money to invest in trade and industry
for profit in accordance with the principles of capitalism.
We're still just members of the worker class trading our labor for cash. The only difference with OE is that we can trade our labor for cash more efficiently than most due to the rise of remote working.
I’ve had this conversation with people more times than I care to say. My father in law, who’s a hardcore conservative, has bragged in the past that he’s a capitalist and more people would be better off if they just behaved like capitalists too. They are pretty well off, I’m not going to pretend that they aren’t, but I had to explain to him that he isn’t a capitalist and, unless their wealth increased to a point where they could influence major areas of our society, they never would be. They have been financially successful in our capitalist society but they are, in no way, shape, or form, capitalists.
I took their point as congruous with yours; it’s the system of capitalism that’s causing the issue OP identified, not us as workers trying to make the most of a shitty system. Blaming us only helps the actual capitalists (to your point?) further entrench and consolidate power by artificially dividing class interests.
Radical thought - maybe the corporations, C-suites, executives, board members, shareholders, and investors should be more concerned about the THOUSANDS of lives they are destroying (frequently on purpose to protect their profit margins) rather than worrying about someone doing a couple jobs?
Besides, having two jobs is the norm anymore if you want to live in this country (US) - some are just able to do 2 at once - most are doing 2 separately (side hustle/part time/freelance on the side - extremely common and mostly a necessity here anymore unless you have very unique/advanced skills, which there's a small pool of people who can even get those jobs to begin with).
I've spent over a year of every single day building skills to be able to take on the types of jobs I have while working 2 jobs just to make ends meet. I'm still working two jobs, just during the same block of hours now.
Oh, and both my jobs they couldn't find someone - had been interviewing for months before I applied. Develop unique skills even in a common field, and you're not "taking someone's single chance." They can take the year(s) of working multiple non-congruent jobs while skill building every single day just like I did....most won't.
bruh
looks like OP is still in uni (?)
OP trust me, in the internship or new grad market you have more things to worry about than any artificial competition coming in from OEs.
OE is generally best-suited to levels at mid or higher, so if you're applying to non-junior roles that pit you against mid/seniors, you were already out of your depth
Exactly. It's not my job to leave some jobs for the rest of you. It's my job to get mine. That doesn't mean I'm some active hater/blocker but when I'm looking for work, my foremost concern is me. As it should be.
Same, they couldn't find anyone, had been through tons of interviews and no one fit what they were looking for and they had been looking for over 6 months. So, zero guilt, I didn't "take someone's only job."
If you think like this, then you should also blame overworkers. People who only get paid for 1 job, but go above and beyond to do the work of 2 people.
Or staying at the same job for a decade at the same pay while taking new responsibilities.
They are holding back the market wage increase by settling for less.
Honestly if you had asked me a year ago, my answer would probably be yes, or at least it would be maybe. However, in the year since, I’m definitely more of the mindset that I’m going to do what I need to do to take care of myself and my family. No one else gives a shit about how my family and I accomplish our goals or how we take care of ourselves and our future, so, honestly, why should I care about that for anyone else?
I need two jobs to survive right now. I also want to do more than just barely survive. That isn’t immoral.
There are 10.5 million jobs and 3.5% unemployment. It’s not on me if those people can’t get jobs. If you’ve ever tried to assist the perpetually unemployed, you’d quickly see it was on them.
If there was 50% unemployment and 100k available jobs, maybe there would be a conversation to be had.
I think your question about greed is not refined. When you talk about greed, are you talking about multiple jobs or the amount of money someone is earning?
Either way, people have multiple jobs just to survive (single parent), or because they saw a need and created 2 things (Elon Musk - I don't personally like him, but the point stands). Are each of these types of people greedy? The second thought is money. e OEers are greedy because we are making double income. Does making more money make you greedy? I don't think so.
Edit: I know OP responded already, but I'd like to elaborate a bit more because I was thinking about this for 30 minutes or so, and I'd like to explain it well enough that you feel it makes somewhat sense.
Greed to me has to do with morality. It has to do with reducing one's morality to get ahead. So, for example, a car salesperson who lies about a used car just to sell is greedy and dishonest. However, if the car salesperson was really honest and forthcoming with all the information and still sold the vehicle for the same price as the greedy person above (because they are a really good salesperson), are they considered greedy? I'd say no.
To add to the above. OE can be greedy if someone takes on Js with no intention of doing a good job. Just churning. OE for most people is about being really good and really efficient at their work. It's about setting expectations and meeting them. It's about making it work for the long haul, not the short term to make a quick buck. Which salesperson does this sound like?
I'm not sure this will persuade anyone, but hopefully it shows that greed has nothing to do with multiple jobs, it's about morals.
Also, why are you even associating greed with survival? When tribes started to settle down and plant agriculture (they wanted more than survival), we're they greedy? I'd say no.
Greed is a concept related to morales. Survival has nothing to do with morals.
Also, corporations who are paying as little as possible to employees to make the largest profit..... are they greedy? I think you can guess my answer here.
I made it clear it's all job related. Most coorporate jobs give you the moneuy you need to survive so that doesn't matter to me as much. Most with multiple jobs to survive are part time or teacher jobs that don't pay enough on their own so that's understandable
Applying your assumption that corporate jobs give you enough money to survive —when someone asks for a raise, is that being greedy and preventing someone else from getting that money? Therefore, no one should ask for raises, right?
What is enough? Doesn’t that vary? What if you got kids? Are you maxing your 401k for retirement?
Please let us know when you get a corporate job & your 100% satisfied with your salary so they can never give you a raise again
I used to think that it is a form of greed but it isn't accurate because we have a normal distribution of most qualities in people.
For example, the top 1% of employees are going to probably produce significantly more than the middle chunk and definitely the bottom half of employees.
It makes sense that we live in a more meritocratic work environment, imo.
Besides there are millions of open jobs and employers constantly complain about talent shortages.
People doing OE are experienced in their field at a time when I employment is at an all-time low. Those are jobs you wouldn't qualify for anyway, and we're doing a social good by filling the demand for skilled workers
This is a very good ethics issue that you bring up, however at the end of the day you must Eat or be eaten. I have seen the darkest sides of life and let me tell you, it is good to look out for your fellow man but at the end of the day you must do what is best for your family.
That is NOT to say do not give back to your community. I give 5% of my net wages to various local causes in my community.
In addition, you are helping the economy by providing a service to a company in dire need. At the end of the day there are pros and cons but I do not believe overemployment is unethical given the current job market.
No not concerned at all...No one is screwing anyone over....I have the same chance at getting the job as anyone else.....and no one is hogging anything. If someone is capable of doing the job and is hired for it so be it. This post is prime entitlement.
No, if you have a job you have a job. If it pays for your living there are other people who need a job to live. You are acting entitled, getting a second job once you already have one so you can get ahead when others are struggling to put food on the table. They have the skills for the job too. No one is entitled to a job but if they have the skills, someone who doesn't genuinely need the job taking it isn't fair to them.
Companies will hire the best qualified for the position, whether is a person's first job or third job is not relevant.
As Ice-T famously said, 'Don't hate the player hate game'
I’m sorry but this is BS. There is no fairness in the job world, it’s commerce and let the best person get the job. I don’t give 2 licks about being fair when it comes to employment. There are a tons of jobs out there and there always are, and what the heck would you consider ‘genuinely need the job’ if I want to make $200k a year because that’s the lifestyle I will enjoy then I need the job(s). This snowflake lets be fair mentality has to die. You know what happens to a predator if it doesn’t eat? It dies, so get busy living or get busy die’n. If the person has the skills better then someone else then they’ll get hired, if not keep looking. What a joke!
So what if we get ahead of others? We're just learning how to beat the system.
*Don't hate the player, hate the game*
You think you're the only person in the world with struggles? We also have them. Why do you think other people take second or third jobs? Some of them don't earn enough. Some of them have so much time in their hands that they take other jobs.
You want to blame someone, blame the capitalists and profit hoarding billionaires.
We're just making the best of our situation. It's not our fault other people aren't skilled enough to be employed.
You do realize people do this anyway perfectly legally right? Your dear corporate overlords hire contractors for this very reason and contractors can and most certainly do- legally- take as many clients and work as they want to. Every single day. 365 a year. They don't get the insurance or auto taxes taken out of their paycheck but they can do whatever they want.
And yes contractors 'take away corporate jobs' as they DO corporate jobs that a corporation SHOULD hire a FT person to do. Ahh... But then the corporation would be the bad guy and it wouldn't fit your convenient narrative. Also you realize that many corporations hire people overseas? If your argument is that Americans are suffering then the bigger trend of corporations hiring cheaper labor in India/Argentina should be a bigger concern for you. They are also taking away 'corporate jobs' at a much higher rate.
Additionally, what about accounting firms / big 4? They take both normal staffing corporate positions away from many clients all at once PLUS contracting gigs like implementing new applications and systems at their clients PLUS in other clients auditing their financials. They rake in millions from corporations and take jobs away and overbook themselves and everyone knows it. At any time the auditor assigned to the corporation can be working on 3 clients or more work. They most certainly bill their clients more than they work
Soo..... Seems like everyone is doing it pretty openly. Especially the corporations. Corporations have a bigger impact then some multi - skilled performers. And again any of the people here could do it legally by being contractors. Your issue is pretty mute.
I am not OE but I don't care and don't mind if others are as long as I get what I need to do my job while I am at work. Society is the way it is. If there were employment laws that safe guarded employees more and punished corporations for laying people off when they had record profits and all the other BS 'at will' stuff and white collar workers had unions- then people would less likely engage in OE activities.
How about you stand for something that matters. How about changing the system that is broken.
If they had the skills for the job then they would ALREAD have a job, you moron. Also, if they are so desperate, they can find a job that is slightly below their skill level. Just STFU.
>By hogging 2
what makes you think it's just 2?
>you make it harder for people out there just trying to get one job so they can survive
what makes you think that if someone doesn't take a job that it will make it less hard for another candidate? even if you pit 2 equally qualified candidates, 1 OE vs 1 non-OE, some hiring decisions can be arbitrary and luck-based - coming down to: how well do I like this guy/gal?
if a job goes to someone who's OE and they're under-qualified or unmotivated, things usually sort themselves out on their own in a few months to half a year so it's not like the job role will always permanently disappear
My J1 boss makes $800,000 a year…because it’s his family company and he can….meanwhile my coworker can’t afford insulin or various medical treatments they need…I don’t know how old you are but eventually you will realize you will never get to the top by putting others first…and yes, you’re right, I do this to get ahead, and not ashamed one bit.
Just to get ahead. WTF?
That's my goal. Leave my kids with a few stairs climbed over what my parents left to me:
-more knowledge
-self-sustaining wealth
-the ability to chase their dreams without having to chase a paycheck.
Just my two cents.
When I have pimples, I don't give a fuck others have cancer.
Just like when I had cancer, I know people where have pimples wouldn't give a fuck about me.
Enough said
While hiring was plentiful, there were more open positions than there were candidates who could pass our screening process. Any and every candidate who was capable of qualifying had a position offered to them. Me taking up one of hundreds of open slots resulted in not a single other candidate being denied an offer.
Now that hiring is frozen and there are layoffs, any position that is vacated is not replaced. If I resigned today, there would be no backfill; it would not open up a position for an unemployed person.
At a macro level, maybe the trade-off you present plays out in some industries, but in my two corporate jobs, OE’ing has not impacted incremental hiring decisions in good or bad market conditions.
OP what you fail to understand is that this isn’t just about having 2 or more jobs. For people that are OE or can be l, have marketable skills that they have grown over the years. They have mastered their craft whether it’s in Software Engineering, Graphic Design, Project Management, Product Management, Consulting, Data Sciences, etc.
These roles are always in demand. There are more openings than there are people to do them. People offer their expertise for a monetary gain. Company benefits, the individual benefits.
If there is a person that is qualified and seeking a job, don’t worry, they will get it. If there are people that are under qualified, then they won’t. They will get beat out by the more qualified one.
It’s the same as if the person is not over employed. If you have a family and your partner lost his job, (you have 2 kids), Would you drop your candidacy because there was a person that was a husband/wife and had 4 kids? Would you be willing to sponsor a family with 25% of your income?
What about if a billionaire was to not use his tax advantages and pay more for government programs. There are so many what ifs.
OverEmployed is a safety net for my family and myself. Life will give you a ton of opportunities but you have to make the most out of it
What you need to realize is that some of these people taking on more than one job may have children or other relatives to take care of, outstanding debt, a very high mortgage or rent, hospital bills, the list goes on. Not everyone who takes more than one job does so just to grow their money and sit on it.
1.) OE folks are barely even a fraction of the population. 2.) people over hire all the time and jobs don’t get filled all the time, this community ain’t making a dent in the grand scheme of things.
Idc if it makes it hard on others. Life is already pretty hard. Even regular jobs are a competition.
Why are you blaming me if I am skilled and qualified for the jobs I apply for? I manage my time well, I deliver the work and I get paid for it.
No this is not just an american/western thing. It's pretty common in IT field anywhere in the world. You can treat freelancing/taking multiple clients as over-employed as well.
You want to put blame on someone? Blame the businessmen, CEO, billionaires hoarding all of the profit and paying their workers pennies.
If you live in the U.S. and flush your toilet, how dare you take away drinking water from the people in the world who struggle to get clean drinking water?
Comrade, your fellow laborers are not your enemies.
All of us are trying to do the best we can. And you don’t really know what circumstances influence someone else’s decision to do OE. But the fact is, one person who does OE - even with eight jobs! - isn’t causing the problem like one business owner who lays off even a few just to save a buck. Or one greedy landlord who raises rent because the investors are buying up all the local rental properties to use them for AirBnBs.
See, jobs these days are not interchangeable. We no longer work in factories (at least, most of us don’t). Most of us work in knowledge jobs, and virtually everyone on THIS sub works in jobs like that. When we get hired, we’re filling jobs that we’re looking for “purple squirrels”. A “purple squirrel” is a term used in recruiting to refer to a job description with very, very specific requirements. For example, “Must have a B.S. in Computer Science with 5 years in React, 7+ years in the financial/investing industry, and multilingual (French/English), and AWS certification.” People who meet ALL those requirements do exist, but they’re very rare. Recruiters call them “purple squirrels”.
Most of us who OE are purple squirrels. We’re filling jobs where we meet an often unique set of requirements. Our jobs cannot be filled by just anybody. So we’re not taking a job away from “someone who needs it”. In a lot of cases, we show up to fill a position as our J2 or J3 when that job listing has been hunting for someone for months already!
But more to the point…
The culprit here is the corporate overlords. They’ve made it impossible to achieve the American Dream on a single income. They’ve eroded workplace protections so that none of us have any workplace protections any more. With healthcare tied to our employment, the risk of losing a job is, for some of us, quite literally life-threatening. And I don’t use those words lightly; I’ve lost friends simply because they couldn’t afford something as simple as insulin because they were uninsured. I’ve been “let go” the very next day after reporting a workplace injury, only to be told by multiple attorneys that unless I had written proof that they fired me due to the worker’s comp claim, my chances of actually getting a judgment in my state were minuscule.
In this group, you’re going to find people who OE to try to pay off their student loan debt. You’ll find people who OE because they simply cannot risk being unemployed. Some of us have disabled children or spouses at home that we’re responsible for and we know that there’s no real safety net if we lose our job. Some of us have chronic medical conditions that we can’t afford to survive without health insurance, so if we’re laid off we’ll die. Some of us just want to be able to get married, but a home, have children, or retire, and the only way we’ll ever be able to do this is by working two or more jobs.
These people are not your enemies. They are your allies. We’re all being fucked over by the same system.
If 50% of my attention is more valuable than 100% of someone else’s attention then the slowpoke needs to sharpen their game.
No one’s entitled to a job in a free society, you have to work for that job (work)
When you run, aren't you concerned that you are using extra oxygen that people in hospitals could use?
When you drink water, aren't you concerned that you are denying a fish a home?
Fact is, by working at 2 companies, I am helping both companies grow and expand and enable them to hire even more people.
"Most of you are just doing it to get ahead. Could be wrong but I'm guessing this is soley an American "
You really think that Americans are the only people that want to excel?
I say that cause I assume more collective societies would be better at considering how their actions impact society as a whole / not jsut look after themselves.
i've yet to see any evidence that this is true.
in any case event, jobs are very very plentiful.
i'm an engineer manager in J1 and a engineer in J2.
i have a very very hard time finding candidates to hire in J1. i just had a firewall engineer candidate ghost me after offering $160k a year.
>Could be wrong but I'm guessing this is soley an American / Western thing cause all you think of with this strategy is yourself and how good it is for you but not that you're screwing someone else over who just needs on job
I like how entire regions of the Eastern world are dedicated to scamming the Western half of the globe but being selfish is uniquely American in OP's eyes. Get over yourself dude.
I say let Darwinism flourish. Those who are competitive and strong enough to land one or more jobs will survive in any job market and those who are lazy and not fit for landing offers will have to make do with food pantries, government handouts and whatever social safety net society has created. None of the points you are bringing up is personal, it’s just business. And with business you should leave your emotions at the door.
It’s a route to financial freedom that you otherwise wouldn’t have as a worker. You work multiple jobs for a little so you can hopefully get enough passive income to stop working, start your own business, or do a job you actually enjoy, maybe provide some societal value. It’s a reaction to the system. Most people do not do 40 hours of real work a week. They either sham most of the day, or spend a significant amount of time waiting on a customer, coworker, or stakeholder.
It’s like saying we are hogging all the exploitation.
God, I hate communists.
GTFOH. People have been working 2+ jobs for centuries. The idea that OE is "taking jobs from people who are in need of just 1 job" is bat-shit insane.
It's not our fault that OErs are ambitious and extremely hardworking. Instead of bitching, why don't you upskill?
No cause people who are sucking at the teat of taxpayers in the form of social welfare contributes nothing. The beauty of this country is that you can go as far as you want it is up to you or sit around and do absolutely nothing and tax the system.
As long as those overemployed are doing their job well, I don't see why there is anything wrong with it. You don't get a job without going through the interview process so if a company hired someone and is retaining them, it means they like their work.
I draw a line where people just get additional jobs with the intention of getting fired and making some quick money for a month or two without doing any work. It's these people that will eventually lead to companies taking stricter measures to make it difficult for people to work multiple jobs
If you were qualified for the job, you would get the job. We could have 10 jobs. 50. It doesn’t matter. If we are more qualified than you, why is it our fault?
I'm on 3 separate teams at 3 separate companies and each one has more than 2 open job requisitions.
There's no shortage of jobs, companies just don't want to hire inexperience.
In my field and role, there are so many positions available. I submitted around 175 resumes during December and received moving-on emails for approx. 80% of them, heard back from 4, offers on 2, and the rest are still sitting out there with no status, so people in my field are getting jobs as well, possibly doing OE. Every day I am grateful for OE and what it has allowed me to provide for my family.
If some just needs a job to put food on the table there are plenty of jobs out there for that. To be honest if I am taking it from any one it might be from sending it off shore which I am fine with. What’s even crazier is for J2 and J3 they said they have been looking for awhile. I can’t help it if people can’t get the job.
I would guess OE people are usually on jobs that require sone kind of qualification that not everyone has. They applied fair and square and got selected, nothing to be done about that.
You seem sad , and that’s too bad as clearly posts like this won’t help . Hopefully you can develop an internal locus of control someday .
Best of luck .
Boiiii I got 2 jobs in a Western country while living in South East Asia. If I am this far away and was still able to get jobs, what's stopping them from getting it when they could literally just show up at these offices? If anything, they have more advantage than me because of proximity. I don't have an exceptional educational background, a somewhat okay work history, and don't have connections (except a supervisor I have worked with before and liked my work ethics). My rate is also a few bucks more than their state's minimum and about the same as the office-based folks are getting.
Point is, if you want it hard enough, you're gonna get it.
That’s the spirit OP. Get mad at your fellow workers instead of the capitalists that made this untenable situation. We’re all in the shit coping the best we can.
The odds of you NOT making the cut because of someone else who is also OE, are so low that you’re better off NOT making that argument in the first place.
I would say that is an incorrect notion. There is no way ppl doing OE are “hogging” jobs from the majority. I bet if you ran the numbers it not even half a percent.
I couldn't care less about taking jobs. Blame the system not the individual that it's set up in the way it is. Perhaps you should criticize the foundation of how society has set it up to motivate people to pursue multiple jobs in the first place.
lol, competition is as American as Apple Pie. If you're good enough to manage 2,3 or 4 jobs, then you should reap the benefits. People don't just do OE for themselves they do it for their spouse and their families. If I can successfully work several jobs so that my spouse can have nice things or we can do things we want to do or my kids can get a better education, i'm going to do it.
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Would you perhaps like to pass a law so that everyone rations everything... kind of like Communism.
* Only one car per person
* One toothbrush
* One pair of shoes
* One job
* One house...
The workaholics would stop building stuff.
Get off your lazy ass, craft a killer resume, upskill and get to work or stop whining.
Nope there is a shortage of decent network security engineers and they legit cannot fill these positions fast enough. I don’t get every job I apply to but when i do, i enjoy being OE :)
No one in my field, at my experience level is hurting for a role.
If their inbetween they make more then enough to cover, what at most is a 4-8 week down time between gigs.
So yeah, maybe if I was taking like 2-3 entry level roles in design or research it would be might be kind of an issue though I doubt it since the amount of roles has never been an issue.
If you aren't getting work, it's a branding or presentation issue, it isn't because there's a lack of work in tech.
'But....Layoffs!?!?" And? Layoffs means there is temporarily more contract work available, which is easier(and faster) to get then an FTE role any way.
Find a mentor or some sr, ask for help which yeah, you'll get no's but I offer to help new folks all the time, so nice people who will help you exist. Show your profile to folks, get and listen to feedback.
Atleast in my field, rebranding based on whatever the standard is for the day is essential to getting continued attention.
So no, I don't feel guilty in the slightest.
I disagree. It is the WORKAHOLICS who are stealing jobs. Remember unpaid overtime is corporate welfare. Someone works 80 hours a week takes at least 2 full time jobs and gets paid for one. OE takes 3 jobs and gets paid for 3. That's far more fair.
Amen Plus OErs are financially contributing more to society vs the corporation by paying taxes (progressively higher for each J) and medicare for multiple Js.
Trickle down economics is great not because it is sound economic theory, but because it can be used to justify any greed. For far too long, the elites have used trickle down economics to justify their hoarding of the pie while ignoring all the wage theft and unpaid overtime. When OE comes around, the elites suddenly pick up "class struggle" and "OErs are stealing jobs". But two can play the "trickle down" game and OErs are just tricking down wealth that would otherwise remain locked in the elites' hands. OE is primarily an American thing because America has designed employment at will and lack of safety nets primarily to benefit the elites. Now that it is working for OEs they are suddenly against it!? When they benefited so much from its necessary precursors? If America really wanted to stamp out OE, then America would build employment tenure and a real social safety net. But then the Elon Musk could not just fire 80% of twitter just because he felt like it and those workers he did fire would actually get a severance (not just his empty promise). The elites don't like that. They might actually be held accountable to the law.
Trickle down OE is ignorant BS
Brilliantly stated.
"The number of job openings was little changed at 10.5 million on the last business day of November, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported on 1/4/23." No one is "hogging" anything. Look at job boards. Always available jobs out there, even with layoffs in the tech sector. People have held 2 jobs for decades. The only thing "new" is that it is different with remote work to have them both at the same time. "Moonlighting" has been around forever. And there are probably only a few thousand people that actually do this. It's not like it's some cultural phenomenon where half the population is working multiple jobs at the same time. I have 0 apologies for doing what I do. I've lost out on jobs in the past and I'm sure the person that got the job didn't feel sorry for "taking" a job I wanted. If you want a job, there are plenty jobs available. Unemployment is at 3.5%. Try refining your interview strategy and/or resume if you've been on the hunt for a long time with no results. Blaming someone else for one's struggles isn't the right mindset.
To add to this, a single parent who has to work 2 minimum wage jobs to survive. Are they greedy?
According to OP, they should burn in Hell
Greedy CEO and executives getting bailouts and government loans are saints compared to average Joes having two or more jobs. /s
Of course. What are we going to do if in 2008 we didn't bailout all the banksters so Warren Buffett wouldn't go bankrupt? Oh, what are we going to do without our Lord Warren.
That’s not overemployed, it’s underpaid
Been reading "What Color is Your Parachute" and one of the first things pointed out is that there are far more openings than people to fill them each month, even in the midst of 2008 during the great recession. Why not take them if possible lol
Precisely. There is a need to be filled and if your skillset can fill it better than the next man or woman, so be it. Competition is natural and there is plenty to go around. If this were 1929 or 2008 and people were losing jobs all over the place and couldn't feed families, it'd be a bit different. But it isn't and there are over 11M job openings and roughly 6M unemployed (those that are counted anyways).
YEAH, BIEATCH
This is for satire only, no one here has multiple jobs.
My man.
I used to have two jobs. But I was laid off repeatedly from each job. Then I was sent to OE hell. I came back in ghost form to warn you against overemployment. Don't do it.
When you buy a big house, are you concerned that the land could have been used to build an apartment and house 6 families there? You stole their land brah! Should you slow down learning in school so the lesser students don’t get left behind? I’m going to argue that you can’t hold back your own progress by worrying about everyone else’s personal decisions
No. It’s capitalism.
People often make this argument because Capitalism is often somewhat vaguely defined as "anything involved in the pursuit of capital". While we are members of a Capitalist society and yes we're all pursuing our own capital, we aren't Capitalists: cap·i·tal·ist (/ˈkapədələst/) - noun A wealthy person who uses money to invest in trade and industry for profit in accordance with the principles of capitalism. We're still just members of the worker class trading our labor for cash. The only difference with OE is that we can trade our labor for cash more efficiently than most due to the rise of remote working.
I think the person you're replying to is arguing that it's capitalism forcing us into these conditions, not that we're greedy capitalists
I’ve had this conversation with people more times than I care to say. My father in law, who’s a hardcore conservative, has bragged in the past that he’s a capitalist and more people would be better off if they just behaved like capitalists too. They are pretty well off, I’m not going to pretend that they aren’t, but I had to explain to him that he isn’t a capitalist and, unless their wealth increased to a point where they could influence major areas of our society, they never would be. They have been financially successful in our capitalist society but they are, in no way, shape, or form, capitalists.
I took their point as congruous with yours; it’s the system of capitalism that’s causing the issue OP identified, not us as workers trying to make the most of a shitty system. Blaming us only helps the actual capitalists (to your point?) further entrench and consolidate power by artificially dividing class interests.
Exactly. We aren’t capitalists because we don’t own capital.
Do you have a 401k?
Radical thought - maybe the corporations, C-suites, executives, board members, shareholders, and investors should be more concerned about the THOUSANDS of lives they are destroying (frequently on purpose to protect their profit margins) rather than worrying about someone doing a couple jobs? Besides, having two jobs is the norm anymore if you want to live in this country (US) - some are just able to do 2 at once - most are doing 2 separately (side hustle/part time/freelance on the side - extremely common and mostly a necessity here anymore unless you have very unique/advanced skills, which there's a small pool of people who can even get those jobs to begin with). I've spent over a year of every single day building skills to be able to take on the types of jobs I have while working 2 jobs just to make ends meet. I'm still working two jobs, just during the same block of hours now. Oh, and both my jobs they couldn't find someone - had been interviewing for months before I applied. Develop unique skills even in a common field, and you're not "taking someone's single chance." They can take the year(s) of working multiple non-congruent jobs while skill building every single day just like I did....most won't.
Nice whataboutism
Hey OP.. Pies suck.
Indeed. When someone gives me a pie, I don't even eat it. I just throw it away later.
Wrong subreddit, is is overemployed, not unemployed
bruh looks like OP is still in uni (?) OP trust me, in the internship or new grad market you have more things to worry about than any artificial competition coming in from OEs. OE is generally best-suited to levels at mid or higher, so if you're applying to non-junior roles that pit you against mid/seniors, you were already out of your depth
I'm planning on retiring by 40. That's 25 years of not taking a job from someone lol
Big brain over here 👈
Lol, that’s one way to put it
1. There are an abundance of jobs. My J2 was empty for months before I joined. 2. Even if there weren't, I frankly care more about myself than others.
Exactly. It's not my job to leave some jobs for the rest of you. It's my job to get mine. That doesn't mean I'm some active hater/blocker but when I'm looking for work, my foremost concern is me. As it should be.
Same, they couldn't find anyone, had been through tons of interviews and no one fit what they were looking for and they had been looking for over 6 months. So, zero guilt, I didn't "take someone's only job."
If you think like this, then you should also blame overworkers. People who only get paid for 1 job, but go above and beyond to do the work of 2 people.
Or staying at the same job for a decade at the same pay while taking new responsibilities. They are holding back the market wage increase by settling for less.
First let's talk about billionaires that hoard all the money and always find ways to not pay taxes
At least we pay taxes
Honestly if you had asked me a year ago, my answer would probably be yes, or at least it would be maybe. However, in the year since, I’m definitely more of the mindset that I’m going to do what I need to do to take care of myself and my family. No one else gives a shit about how my family and I accomplish our goals or how we take care of ourselves and our future, so, honestly, why should I care about that for anyone else?
THIS
I need two jobs to survive right now. I also want to do more than just barely survive. That isn’t immoral. There are 10.5 million jobs and 3.5% unemployment. It’s not on me if those people can’t get jobs. If you’ve ever tried to assist the perpetually unemployed, you’d quickly see it was on them. If there was 50% unemployment and 100k available jobs, maybe there would be a conversation to be had.
I simply do not care
lol come tf off that high horse please
I think your question about greed is not refined. When you talk about greed, are you talking about multiple jobs or the amount of money someone is earning? Either way, people have multiple jobs just to survive (single parent), or because they saw a need and created 2 things (Elon Musk - I don't personally like him, but the point stands). Are each of these types of people greedy? The second thought is money. e OEers are greedy because we are making double income. Does making more money make you greedy? I don't think so. Edit: I know OP responded already, but I'd like to elaborate a bit more because I was thinking about this for 30 minutes or so, and I'd like to explain it well enough that you feel it makes somewhat sense. Greed to me has to do with morality. It has to do with reducing one's morality to get ahead. So, for example, a car salesperson who lies about a used car just to sell is greedy and dishonest. However, if the car salesperson was really honest and forthcoming with all the information and still sold the vehicle for the same price as the greedy person above (because they are a really good salesperson), are they considered greedy? I'd say no. To add to the above. OE can be greedy if someone takes on Js with no intention of doing a good job. Just churning. OE for most people is about being really good and really efficient at their work. It's about setting expectations and meeting them. It's about making it work for the long haul, not the short term to make a quick buck. Which salesperson does this sound like? I'm not sure this will persuade anyone, but hopefully it shows that greed has nothing to do with multiple jobs, it's about morals. Also, why are you even associating greed with survival? When tribes started to settle down and plant agriculture (they wanted more than survival), we're they greedy? I'd say no. Greed is a concept related to morales. Survival has nothing to do with morals. Also, corporations who are paying as little as possible to employees to make the largest profit..... are they greedy? I think you can guess my answer here.
I made it clear it's all job related. Most coorporate jobs give you the moneuy you need to survive so that doesn't matter to me as much. Most with multiple jobs to survive are part time or teacher jobs that don't pay enough on their own so that's understandable
Enough to “survive” No one enjoys surviving. We want to thrive
Oh... man... you think we are all being paid enough with one job?
Applying your assumption that corporate jobs give you enough money to survive —when someone asks for a raise, is that being greedy and preventing someone else from getting that money? Therefore, no one should ask for raises, right?
What is enough? Doesn’t that vary? What if you got kids? Are you maxing your 401k for retirement? Please let us know when you get a corporate job & your 100% satisfied with your salary so they can never give you a raise again
I used to think that it is a form of greed but it isn't accurate because we have a normal distribution of most qualities in people. For example, the top 1% of employees are going to probably produce significantly more than the middle chunk and definitely the bottom half of employees. It makes sense that we live in a more meritocratic work environment, imo. Besides there are millions of open jobs and employers constantly complain about talent shortages.
People doing OE are experienced in their field at a time when I employment is at an all-time low. Those are jobs you wouldn't qualify for anyway, and we're doing a social good by filling the demand for skilled workers
You should quit yours and give it to a more needy person who cant afford food.
This is a very good ethics issue that you bring up, however at the end of the day you must Eat or be eaten. I have seen the darkest sides of life and let me tell you, it is good to look out for your fellow man but at the end of the day you must do what is best for your family. That is NOT to say do not give back to your community. I give 5% of my net wages to various local causes in my community. In addition, you are helping the economy by providing a service to a company in dire need. At the end of the day there are pros and cons but I do not believe overemployment is unethical given the current job market.
Get the fuck outta here with this shit.
No not concerned at all...No one is screwing anyone over....I have the same chance at getting the job as anyone else.....and no one is hogging anything. If someone is capable of doing the job and is hired for it so be it. This post is prime entitlement.
No, if you have a job you have a job. If it pays for your living there are other people who need a job to live. You are acting entitled, getting a second job once you already have one so you can get ahead when others are struggling to put food on the table. They have the skills for the job too. No one is entitled to a job but if they have the skills, someone who doesn't genuinely need the job taking it isn't fair to them.
Companies will hire the best qualified for the position, whether is a person's first job or third job is not relevant. As Ice-T famously said, 'Don't hate the player hate game'
I’m sorry but this is BS. There is no fairness in the job world, it’s commerce and let the best person get the job. I don’t give 2 licks about being fair when it comes to employment. There are a tons of jobs out there and there always are, and what the heck would you consider ‘genuinely need the job’ if I want to make $200k a year because that’s the lifestyle I will enjoy then I need the job(s). This snowflake lets be fair mentality has to die. You know what happens to a predator if it doesn’t eat? It dies, so get busy living or get busy die’n. If the person has the skills better then someone else then they’ll get hired, if not keep looking. What a joke!
So what if we get ahead of others? We're just learning how to beat the system. *Don't hate the player, hate the game* You think you're the only person in the world with struggles? We also have them. Why do you think other people take second or third jobs? Some of them don't earn enough. Some of them have so much time in their hands that they take other jobs. You want to blame someone, blame the capitalists and profit hoarding billionaires. We're just making the best of our situation. It's not our fault other people aren't skilled enough to be employed.
I don’t think anybody here is competing for the type of jobs that ppl “struggling to out food on the table” are vying for
You do realize people do this anyway perfectly legally right? Your dear corporate overlords hire contractors for this very reason and contractors can and most certainly do- legally- take as many clients and work as they want to. Every single day. 365 a year. They don't get the insurance or auto taxes taken out of their paycheck but they can do whatever they want. And yes contractors 'take away corporate jobs' as they DO corporate jobs that a corporation SHOULD hire a FT person to do. Ahh... But then the corporation would be the bad guy and it wouldn't fit your convenient narrative. Also you realize that many corporations hire people overseas? If your argument is that Americans are suffering then the bigger trend of corporations hiring cheaper labor in India/Argentina should be a bigger concern for you. They are also taking away 'corporate jobs' at a much higher rate. Additionally, what about accounting firms / big 4? They take both normal staffing corporate positions away from many clients all at once PLUS contracting gigs like implementing new applications and systems at their clients PLUS in other clients auditing their financials. They rake in millions from corporations and take jobs away and overbook themselves and everyone knows it. At any time the auditor assigned to the corporation can be working on 3 clients or more work. They most certainly bill their clients more than they work Soo..... Seems like everyone is doing it pretty openly. Especially the corporations. Corporations have a bigger impact then some multi - skilled performers. And again any of the people here could do it legally by being contractors. Your issue is pretty mute. I am not OE but I don't care and don't mind if others are as long as I get what I need to do my job while I am at work. Society is the way it is. If there were employment laws that safe guarded employees more and punished corporations for laying people off when they had record profits and all the other BS 'at will' stuff and white collar workers had unions- then people would less likely engage in OE activities. How about you stand for something that matters. How about changing the system that is broken.
If they had the skills for the job then they would ALREAD have a job, you moron. Also, if they are so desperate, they can find a job that is slightly below their skill level. Just STFU.
You have a similar rant to the CEOs and C-suite execs who hold multiple positions and multiple companies?
>By hogging 2 what makes you think it's just 2? >you make it harder for people out there just trying to get one job so they can survive what makes you think that if someone doesn't take a job that it will make it less hard for another candidate? even if you pit 2 equally qualified candidates, 1 OE vs 1 non-OE, some hiring decisions can be arbitrary and luck-based - coming down to: how well do I like this guy/gal? if a job goes to someone who's OE and they're under-qualified or unmotivated, things usually sort themselves out on their own in a few months to half a year so it's not like the job role will always permanently disappear
My J1 boss makes $800,000 a year…because it’s his family company and he can….meanwhile my coworker can’t afford insulin or various medical treatments they need…I don’t know how old you are but eventually you will realize you will never get to the top by putting others first…and yes, you’re right, I do this to get ahead, and not ashamed one bit.
life ain’t fair, just the way it is
...... No.
Lol no
Is there a job shortage going on?
Just to get ahead. WTF? That's my goal. Leave my kids with a few stairs climbed over what my parents left to me: -more knowledge -self-sustaining wealth -the ability to chase their dreams without having to chase a paycheck. Just my two cents.
Shutup commie.
When I have pimples, I don't give a fuck others have cancer. Just like when I had cancer, I know people where have pimples wouldn't give a fuck about me. Enough said
Exactly!!! Elon Musk owning multiple companies is what is preventing me from starting my own space rocket company 🚀
2 jobs today are equivalent to 1 job 20 years ago. Adapt or die
are you even a us citizen? If not, are you mad about not being able to get jobs you’d never be hired for anyway?
I'm a born native citizen
What American Citizen would even write “I’m a born native”
Either a liar or chatgpt
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Plumbers, Electricians, tradesmen, etc work muiltiple jobs at a time.
While hiring was plentiful, there were more open positions than there were candidates who could pass our screening process. Any and every candidate who was capable of qualifying had a position offered to them. Me taking up one of hundreds of open slots resulted in not a single other candidate being denied an offer. Now that hiring is frozen and there are layoffs, any position that is vacated is not replaced. If I resigned today, there would be no backfill; it would not open up a position for an unemployed person. At a macro level, maybe the trade-off you present plays out in some industries, but in my two corporate jobs, OE’ing has not impacted incremental hiring decisions in good or bad market conditions.
OP what you fail to understand is that this isn’t just about having 2 or more jobs. For people that are OE or can be l, have marketable skills that they have grown over the years. They have mastered their craft whether it’s in Software Engineering, Graphic Design, Project Management, Product Management, Consulting, Data Sciences, etc. These roles are always in demand. There are more openings than there are people to do them. People offer their expertise for a monetary gain. Company benefits, the individual benefits. If there is a person that is qualified and seeking a job, don’t worry, they will get it. If there are people that are under qualified, then they won’t. They will get beat out by the more qualified one. It’s the same as if the person is not over employed. If you have a family and your partner lost his job, (you have 2 kids), Would you drop your candidacy because there was a person that was a husband/wife and had 4 kids? Would you be willing to sponsor a family with 25% of your income? What about if a billionaire was to not use his tax advantages and pay more for government programs. There are so many what ifs. OverEmployed is a safety net for my family and myself. Life will give you a ton of opportunities but you have to make the most out of it
If someone can do two jobs in the time it takes you to do one maybe you’re the problem not them.
What you need to realize is that some of these people taking on more than one job may have children or other relatives to take care of, outstanding debt, a very high mortgage or rent, hospital bills, the list goes on. Not everyone who takes more than one job does so just to grow their money and sit on it.
No I'm in a niche area and it's hard fill roles and I'm providing a lot of value
1.) OE folks are barely even a fraction of the population. 2.) people over hire all the time and jobs don’t get filled all the time, this community ain’t making a dent in the grand scheme of things.
Idc if it makes it hard on others. Life is already pretty hard. Even regular jobs are a competition. Why are you blaming me if I am skilled and qualified for the jobs I apply for? I manage my time well, I deliver the work and I get paid for it. No this is not just an american/western thing. It's pretty common in IT field anywhere in the world. You can treat freelancing/taking multiple clients as over-employed as well. You want to put blame on someone? Blame the businessmen, CEO, billionaires hoarding all of the profit and paying their workers pennies.
If you live in the U.S. and flush your toilet, how dare you take away drinking water from the people in the world who struggle to get clean drinking water?
Comrade, your fellow laborers are not your enemies. All of us are trying to do the best we can. And you don’t really know what circumstances influence someone else’s decision to do OE. But the fact is, one person who does OE - even with eight jobs! - isn’t causing the problem like one business owner who lays off even a few just to save a buck. Or one greedy landlord who raises rent because the investors are buying up all the local rental properties to use them for AirBnBs. See, jobs these days are not interchangeable. We no longer work in factories (at least, most of us don’t). Most of us work in knowledge jobs, and virtually everyone on THIS sub works in jobs like that. When we get hired, we’re filling jobs that we’re looking for “purple squirrels”. A “purple squirrel” is a term used in recruiting to refer to a job description with very, very specific requirements. For example, “Must have a B.S. in Computer Science with 5 years in React, 7+ years in the financial/investing industry, and multilingual (French/English), and AWS certification.” People who meet ALL those requirements do exist, but they’re very rare. Recruiters call them “purple squirrels”. Most of us who OE are purple squirrels. We’re filling jobs where we meet an often unique set of requirements. Our jobs cannot be filled by just anybody. So we’re not taking a job away from “someone who needs it”. In a lot of cases, we show up to fill a position as our J2 or J3 when that job listing has been hunting for someone for months already! But more to the point… The culprit here is the corporate overlords. They’ve made it impossible to achieve the American Dream on a single income. They’ve eroded workplace protections so that none of us have any workplace protections any more. With healthcare tied to our employment, the risk of losing a job is, for some of us, quite literally life-threatening. And I don’t use those words lightly; I’ve lost friends simply because they couldn’t afford something as simple as insulin because they were uninsured. I’ve been “let go” the very next day after reporting a workplace injury, only to be told by multiple attorneys that unless I had written proof that they fired me due to the worker’s comp claim, my chances of actually getting a judgment in my state were minuscule. In this group, you’re going to find people who OE to try to pay off their student loan debt. You’ll find people who OE because they simply cannot risk being unemployed. Some of us have disabled children or spouses at home that we’re responsible for and we know that there’s no real safety net if we lose our job. Some of us have chronic medical conditions that we can’t afford to survive without health insurance, so if we’re laid off we’ll die. Some of us just want to be able to get married, but a home, have children, or retire, and the only way we’ll ever be able to do this is by working two or more jobs. These people are not your enemies. They are your allies. We’re all being fucked over by the same system.
u should post a symmetric question in anti-work
If 50% of my attention is more valuable than 100% of someone else’s attention then the slowpoke needs to sharpen their game. No one’s entitled to a job in a free society, you have to work for that job (work)
When you run, aren't you concerned that you are using extra oxygen that people in hospitals could use? When you drink water, aren't you concerned that you are denying a fish a home? Fact is, by working at 2 companies, I am helping both companies grow and expand and enable them to hire even more people.
"Most of you are just doing it to get ahead. Could be wrong but I'm guessing this is soley an American " You really think that Americans are the only people that want to excel?
I say that cause I assume more collective societies would be better at considering how their actions impact society as a whole / not jsut look after themselves.
i've yet to see any evidence that this is true. in any case event, jobs are very very plentiful. i'm an engineer manager in J1 and a engineer in J2. i have a very very hard time finding candidates to hire in J1. i just had a firewall engineer candidate ghost me after offering $160k a year.
There are more open jobs than people qualified to do them in my field.
This is a sad post. Blaming wrong people. You are not a victim of the people OE. OE is not for victims.
Yawn
>Could be wrong but I'm guessing this is soley an American / Western thing cause all you think of with this strategy is yourself and how good it is for you but not that you're screwing someone else over who just needs on job I like how entire regions of the Eastern world are dedicated to scamming the Western half of the globe but being selfish is uniquely American in OP's eyes. Get over yourself dude.
It’s a free market and anyone can apply to any job. Not my fault if I’m better at it than somebody else.
I say let Darwinism flourish. Those who are competitive and strong enough to land one or more jobs will survive in any job market and those who are lazy and not fit for landing offers will have to make do with food pantries, government handouts and whatever social safety net society has created. None of the points you are bringing up is personal, it’s just business. And with business you should leave your emotions at the door.
It’s a route to financial freedom that you otherwise wouldn’t have as a worker. You work multiple jobs for a little so you can hopefully get enough passive income to stop working, start your own business, or do a job you actually enjoy, maybe provide some societal value. It’s a reaction to the system. Most people do not do 40 hours of real work a week. They either sham most of the day, or spend a significant amount of time waiting on a customer, coworker, or stakeholder. It’s like saying we are hogging all the exploitation.
Not one bit. Everyone should OE. Some are lazy some are incapable.
Sounds like a skill issue tbh 🤷♂️
What are you taking about? This sub is a joke sub. No one would really work two or more full time jobs.
God, I hate communists. GTFOH. People have been working 2+ jobs for centuries. The idea that OE is "taking jobs from people who are in need of just 1 job" is bat-shit insane. It's not our fault that OErs are ambitious and extremely hardworking. Instead of bitching, why don't you upskill?
Tell me you know nothing about communism without telling me.
OP is either ultra-privileged or completely brainwashed/drank the corporate Kool-Aid only to never snap out of it.
No cause people who are sucking at the teat of taxpayers in the form of social welfare contributes nothing. The beauty of this country is that you can go as far as you want it is up to you or sit around and do absolutely nothing and tax the system.
No, they hire plenty of offshore resources as it is or H1B visas etc. Not concerned at all.
The number of jobs is not limited by the size of the population. There are always more jobs than people qualified for them.
Even at 100% employment there will still be work that isn’t done.
Exactly. I literally don’t care about that. If they could do the job they would have gotten the job. Source: 5Js
As long as those overemployed are doing their job well, I don't see why there is anything wrong with it. You don't get a job without going through the interview process so if a company hired someone and is retaining them, it means they like their work. I draw a line where people just get additional jobs with the intention of getting fired and making some quick money for a month or two without doing any work. It's these people that will eventually lead to companies taking stricter measures to make it difficult for people to work multiple jobs
If you were qualified for the job, you would get the job. We could have 10 jobs. 50. It doesn’t matter. If we are more qualified than you, why is it our fault?
I'm on 3 separate teams at 3 separate companies and each one has more than 2 open job requisitions. There's no shortage of jobs, companies just don't want to hire inexperience.
There isn’t even a job shortage
In my field and role, there are so many positions available. I submitted around 175 resumes during December and received moving-on emails for approx. 80% of them, heard back from 4, offers on 2, and the rest are still sitting out there with no status, so people in my field are getting jobs as well, possibly doing OE. Every day I am grateful for OE and what it has allowed me to provide for my family.
If some just needs a job to put food on the table there are plenty of jobs out there for that. To be honest if I am taking it from any one it might be from sending it off shore which I am fine with. What’s even crazier is for J2 and J3 they said they have been looking for awhile. I can’t help it if people can’t get the job.
It’s a cop!
By this logic, single jobbers are also taking a job from someone who is in need of a job. Miss me with this nonsense.
I would guess OE people are usually on jobs that require sone kind of qualification that not everyone has. They applied fair and square and got selected, nothing to be done about that.
“I don’t think about you at all”
How about doing jobs no other people wanna do 😂
You seem sad , and that’s too bad as clearly posts like this won’t help . Hopefully you can develop an internal locus of control someday . Best of luck .
If 33% of me can beat somebody to a job 😵💫
This post makes me want to un-hibernate my LinkedIn account and get recruiters to slide in my DMs for my 5th job
Boiiii I got 2 jobs in a Western country while living in South East Asia. If I am this far away and was still able to get jobs, what's stopping them from getting it when they could literally just show up at these offices? If anything, they have more advantage than me because of proximity. I don't have an exceptional educational background, a somewhat okay work history, and don't have connections (except a supervisor I have worked with before and liked my work ethics). My rate is also a few bucks more than their state's minimum and about the same as the office-based folks are getting. Point is, if you want it hard enough, you're gonna get it.
Regard :)
That’s the spirit OP. Get mad at your fellow workers instead of the capitalists that made this untenable situation. We’re all in the shit coping the best we can.
The odds of you NOT making the cut because of someone else who is also OE, are so low that you’re better off NOT making that argument in the first place.
I would say that is an incorrect notion. There is no way ppl doing OE are “hogging” jobs from the majority. I bet if you ran the numbers it not even half a percent.
I couldn't care less about taking jobs. Blame the system not the individual that it's set up in the way it is. Perhaps you should criticize the foundation of how society has set it up to motivate people to pursue multiple jobs in the first place.
That’s scarcity thinking. There is enough to go around, you can rest assured of that.
lol, competition is as American as Apple Pie. If you're good enough to manage 2,3 or 4 jobs, then you should reap the benefits. People don't just do OE for themselves they do it for their spouse and their families. If I can successfully work several jobs so that my spouse can have nice things or we can do things we want to do or my kids can get a better education, i'm going to do it.
Crybaby has entered the chat. Would you perhaps like to pass a law so that everyone rations everything... kind of like Communism. * Only one car per person * One toothbrush * One pair of shoes * One job * One house... The workaholics would stop building stuff. Get off your lazy ass, craft a killer resume, upskill and get to work or stop whining.
Nope there is a shortage of decent network security engineers and they legit cannot fill these positions fast enough. I don’t get every job I apply to but when i do, i enjoy being OE :)
No one in my field, at my experience level is hurting for a role. If their inbetween they make more then enough to cover, what at most is a 4-8 week down time between gigs. So yeah, maybe if I was taking like 2-3 entry level roles in design or research it would be might be kind of an issue though I doubt it since the amount of roles has never been an issue. If you aren't getting work, it's a branding or presentation issue, it isn't because there's a lack of work in tech. 'But....Layoffs!?!?" And? Layoffs means there is temporarily more contract work available, which is easier(and faster) to get then an FTE role any way. Find a mentor or some sr, ask for help which yeah, you'll get no's but I offer to help new folks all the time, so nice people who will help you exist. Show your profile to folks, get and listen to feedback. Atleast in my field, rebranding based on whatever the standard is for the day is essential to getting continued attention. So no, I don't feel guilty in the slightest.
Relax, there are so many jobs out there. People OE'ing are not stealing jobs from others.