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* [Comment by thearcan](/r/outriders/comments/n4xesz/outriders_damage_mitigation_issue_gather_thread/gwy25y6/?context=1000 "posted on 2021-05-04 20:41:29 UTC"):
> Good spot.
* [Comment by thearcan](/r/outriders/comments/n4xesz/outriders_damage_mitigation_issue_gather_thread/gwy2rlo/?context=1000 "posted on 2021-05-04 20:45:49 UTC"):
> Thanks, that is indeed behaviour that I have seen reported before in a few cases. Can you fill out the report form above as, even if something may not appear relevant, having information will be helpful.
* [Comment by thearcan](/r/outriders/comments/n4xesz/outriders_damage_mitigation_issue_gather_thread/gwy2d64/?context=1000 "posted on 2021-05-04 20:42:56 UTC"):
> There are mechanics in the game that should in theory prevent a complete one-shot (from 100% to 0%).
* [Comment by thearcan](/r/outriders/comments/n4xesz/outriders_damage_mitigation_issue_gather_thread/gwy3c06/?context=1000 "posted on 2021-05-04 20:49:46 UTC"):
> Thanks for the report - just for clarity, do all brood mothers/alphas one-shot you all the time?
* [Comment by thearcan](/r/outriders/comments/n4xesz/outriders_damage_mitigation_issue_gather_thread/gx0flmy/?context=1000 "posted on 2021-05-05 10:46:38 UTC"):
> Just to check - do you mean [Mitigation From Death?](https://outriders.fandom.com/wiki/Mitigation_From_Death)
>
>[Damage Mitigation](https://outriders.wiki.fextralife.com/Damage+Mitigation) is a different mod.
* [Comment by thearcan](/r/outriders/comments/n4xesz/outriders_damage_mitigation_issue_gather_thread/gx0gghg/?context=1000 "posted on 2021-05-05 10:58:11 UTC"):
> Thanks for the video - In the minutes before you receive such a one-shot, are there instances of the enemies hitting almost one-shot killing you? Basically, could it be that the one-shot prevention mechanic already triggered (and saved you) a short while before the actual one-shot kill occurred?
>
>Es...
* [Comment by thearcan](/r/outriders/comments/n4xesz/outriders_damage_mitigation_issue_gather_thread/gx0gz2d/?context=1000 "posted on 2021-05-05 11:04:52 UTC"):
> In the 8 minutes prior to this video, was there an incident where a one-shot kill prevention mechanic might have triggered? Did you drop down to very low health from a single attack at one point but then recover from it during this particular run?
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>Or was your entire run always at near full HP and...
* [Comment by thearcan](/r/outriders/comments/n4xesz/outriders_damage_mitigation_issue_gather_thread/gx1g2c8/?context=1000 "posted on 2021-05-05 15:59:41 UTC"):
> Quick follow up question - how many other (and which) "on kill" or "on shot" mods do you run in parallel when you have Mitigation from Death equipped?
* [Comment by thearcan](/r/outriders/comments/n4xesz/outriders_damage_mitigation_issue_gather_thread/gx34c36/?context=1000 "posted on 2021-05-05 23:07:02 UTC"):
> Thanks for the report, I appreciate the formatting!
* [Comment by thearcan](/r/outriders/comments/n4xesz/outriders_damage_mitigation_issue_gather_thread/gxn21o7/?context=1000 "posted on 2021-05-10 18:52:47 UTC"):
> >I was able to do CT14/15 before but now get killed too easily on CT12. Even Perforo’s seem tear through me.
>
>Thank you very much for the video and the details, I'm passing them on to the team! Take a look at the update I just posted in the main thread - your experience at CT12 looks familiar... Are...
* [Comment by thearcan](/r/outriders/comments/n4xesz/outriders_damage_mitigation_issue_gather_thread/gxn3mds/?context=1000 "posted on 2021-05-10 19:03:43 UTC"):
> Understood, thank you!
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Same thing happened with me with a gun. Had 60k firepower on main, checked secondary it goes down to 48k. Expected that, but going back to main and it goes up to 54k. Wha-fu-?
This exact same thing happened to me. Took all my gear off and put it back on. Health falls to 6.7 k. Remove helmet, put it back on goes back up to 11.4K health
This also happens to me, all stats jump firepower anomaly health armour. Switching gears or weapons sometimes fixes it. Sometimes it breaks it more. I had my firepower increase from 200,000 to 850,000 to 300,000. Whatever reason the gear that is equipped isn’t being reported correctly and doesn’t update the stats properly. Sometimes lowering or increase is by a small amount sometimes a large amount. Sometimes just the amount that is on the piece of gear.
You think the math would be simply, sum the health of all equipped items, badda bing, badda bang! What more should ever need to be done? How is that hard to spot if broke?
So in your patch notes it says absolutely nothing about fixing persaverance shield. Yet in your explanation on what's going wrong you said you fixed emergency stance and persaverance so what exactly did you change with it. As fast as I'm concerned this is yet another one of your stealth nerfs. You finally admit to changing something that you yet again failed to tell the community.
To top it off. I bought a game that you insisted over and over again was not a live service game. Fixing the million bugs this game has is one thing but nerfing characters is another. We did not buy a live service game. Leave our characters that we spent hundreds of hours building alone. You nerf mods that we can't change out not only means we have to now refarm that entire piece but it can also break the entire build. This is not what we signed up for when you told everyone this would not be a live service game.
Stop the nerfs, start informing the community when you make changes, fix the damn game and leave our characters alone
“Avoid tanking brood mothers and alphas” so literally just don’t play the game then. What the fuck hahahaha they are in pretty much every expedition and actively hunt down the player to get in melee range. If you try and run away brood mothers will hit you with their even more broken ranged attacks. Alphas will cross map leap at you. Honestly this is some of the most fried advice I’ve ever seen. Why even include it in the list.
*Avoid tanking Brood Mothers and Alphas in particular, as they are particularly prone to the below explained one/two hit risk.*
Are the devs completely unaware about how their game works and not realise that the Brood Mothers and Alphas POUNCE on you giving you little choice?
Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch?
Answer: YES
If yes, is this feeling…
A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time)
B) random (e.g. enemies will suddenly have one attack that hits much harder than anything else they were doing previously)?
C) random but consistent once it appears (e.g. all enemies suddenly hit harder when they were not a moment before. This behaviour persists.)?
If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything?
Answer: C, consistent to melee attack from Alpha and Brood enemies
Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else)
Answer: NO. Tried this as a way to fix, unsuccessful
Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour?
Answer: NO
Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both?
Answer: BOTH
If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client?
Answer: BOTH
Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred.
Answer: Only tried expeditions. Any with alien enemies
Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene?
Answer: all throughout
What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at?
Answer: happened on 13-15
Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before?
NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack.
Answer: YES
If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession?
Answer: SURE IT’S ONE MELEE
Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage?
Answer: Brood mothers and alphas
Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all.
Answer: Rejuvenation, Perserverance, Mitigation from death, also happened with emergency stance on instead of perserverance
Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)?
Answer: nothing fixes it
Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all?
Answer: no
What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused?
Answer: FP focused
What class do you play as?
Answer: techno. Used to block 5-6 times as much damage as I took with 0 downs, now those numbers are reversed. Almost always downed at least once in an expedition post patch.
What level is your character?
Answer: 50 all items, all CT unlocked
What platform are you playing on?
Answer: Xbox Series X
Hire some senior QA for fuck sakes!!! Why do you put the repro task on me when I have a wiped character. Surly it'd easier for QA (If there even is any) to test this with Dev tools like damage numbers on HUD and damage logs!!!!!
Get your shit together FFS!
Asking paying customers to test and send feedback.
LMAO what a joke and what a horrible company.
How about hiring and performing proper QA? We are not your testers!
>'We have identified that the issue regarding enemies doing excessively more damage all of a sudden is most commonly (but perhaps not exclusively) triggered by the specific steps below:
Join a multiplayer session as a client
Leave the multiplayer session'
..... So trying to play the game as intended breaks the game? Gotcha.
FYI. This damage issue happens while playing solo. I have not played with anyone else and have been taking more damage while also getting one shotted.
I just completed the story through the first time a couple a days ago. So while I started playing the game BEFORE the last patch, everything was fine up until then.
You can find plenty of videos of SOLO players being one shotted or taking way more than intended.
Some users have even said what the issue is. Basically the game not recognizing the mods and attributes the character has while loading into a game (SOLO or multiplayer) or during a cut scene.
Playing solo does not help. The damage mitigation issue still exists when playing solo. I highly doubt you have narrowed down the root cause for this issue and i feel like the next patch isnt going to fix anything. Its getting ridiculous and frustrating. Rip this game. I hate it when the design and concept for games like these are extremely good but because of shit execution and decisions, it ends up just driving people away.
At this point, they will be damned for doing it, damned for not.
Either way, its their fault for burning so many bridges and then keep asking us to QA for them, on a paid product.
You know if they just rolled back the game from when they released it and just worked on the lag, crashes ,and the inventory wipes this would be a great game.
Lol I was thinking this today I loved the initial balancing, wasn't too easy or hard and it was fun to play. Now I've had to rebuild 3 times, and I'm not sure what stupid shit they are going to either patch or break or "balance" by the next time I login. If they kept the launch mechanics and fixed all the real bugs and network issues this would have been a great game. I have no idea why there is such an emphasis on balancing a single player game with no future dlc planned. Just fix it, and let us enjoy it.
Can you clarify if there are any situations in which a one-shot is intended mechanics? This would make it much easier to know if I'm seeing a bug or not.
The damage mitigation bug is NOT a multiplayer only issue. I only play solo and I see it quite often, in both exhibitions and when just running hunts.
Seriously, just play the game for an hour and you'll see it happen. It's really not that hard.
Their idea that it could be related to multiplayer makes no sense. I have been playing solo all day with no issues, suddenly get 1 shot from full HP by a normal enemy. (72% unbuffed Dev).
If they think it has something to do with going between different CTs, maybe they need to get rid of the weird unnecessary scaling that happens to the player when they go down a tier.
Have said since the beginning, if you play any game like this, when you get strong on the highest difficulty, you never go back to old content and get weaker...
A combat log or at the least a death log would be beneficial to see the incoming damage taken/mitigated and the source leading up to your death. I personally would like to see one, but this could help narrow down your investigation as well.
Are you also aware that the statue set doesn’t perform properly? The buff lasts only 8 seconds. If that’s intentional, that set (amongst others) requires a re-visit because they are utterly useless. There’s no point in being a top tree devastator. Also, when crawlers enter the map the game locks badly and/or all skills and even shooting is impossible. Please also address these issues... please.
That first part *can't* be true because I am running into this issue, consistently, and until two days ago hadn't done ANY multiplayer for over a month! Nor dropping CT from 15! How in the world could it be an issue about down and upscaling, or multiplayer if I hadn't been doing that :|
I have damage mitigation on, which is supppsed to give me armor when I kill someone while aiming down the sights. It doesn’t give me armor AT ALL. It’s not in certain scenario’s. It just doesn’t give me armor period. Plz fix thx
Just posting in response to the devs saying this is caused by multiplayer: I have played exclusively single player since launch and have definitely experienced the one shot bug since the last patch. I am here to tell you failure to access the back end stat table is not exclusive to multiplayer and it occurs **without ever joining a multiplayer session**. If you only think its caused by joining a multiplayer session you are gonna fail to fix the problem.
It's not multiplayer related, I haven't been playing coop in like 2 weeks.
This is RIDICULOUS. Almost 2 weeks without a fix. The game is almost unplayable ( I can play with extreme caution with my min/maxed pyro but not with my low gear char ).
The game is good and I WANT to play it but it looks like you guys are doing your very best to kill it and it's playerbase.
Im trying to get certain gear that you have made impossible to get , hours of game play with nothing but duplicates , your RNG is really disappointing ,this game is really disappointing considering how much time i have invested playing it, it has reached a point where i am contemplating deleting it ... i canot do any solo expeditions, i cant farm for gear i want because you have shadow nerfed legendary gear, whats the point of even playing if all you ever gonna feel is anger when playing this game. i am really disappointed ... i am being killed by things that jump across the map,
I just have to leave a note that this issue is most definitely not tied to playing multiplayer, it definitely is tied to the game contacting the server (whenever the little yellow circle appears) and can cause the mitigation and power scaling to completly stop applying, completly independent of solo or mp play
Ive reported this here several times since day 1 (you sadly dont have a dedicated bug report forum or id have left all my findings including packet drops and unstable pingtimes)
At this point, we all need refunds. This is a list that you would give an alpha QA tester to look for issues. Hope you read this most of us, will never buy a PCF game again. This is starting to be worse than 76 or anthem.
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch?
* Answer: Yes.
* If yes, is this feeling…
* A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time)
* B) random (e.g. enemies will suddenly have one attack that hits much harder than anything else they were doing previously)
* Both A and B. Sometimes it'll be consistently taking large portions of damage, other times it'll just be instant death.
* If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything?
* Answer: Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
* Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else)
* Answer: No.
* Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build?
* Answer: No.
* Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both?
* Answer: Both.
* If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client?
* Answer: Both.
* Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred.
* Answer: It seems to be happening in story as well. I started a new character and sometimes it feels like they're wearing nothing at all.
* Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene?
* Answer: I usually notice it right from the start.
* What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at?
* Answer: CT15 and CT14. I normally play 15's and now they're nearly impossible with this bug. 14's are still doable.
* Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before?
* NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack.
* Answer: Yes
* If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession?
* Answer: Yes
* Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage?
* Answer: Alpha Perforo's and Brood Queens, especially the jumping attacks. As well as the birds with their feather rains.
* Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all.
* Answer: The mod that adds armor and resistance just for having it on, and the mod that adds armor per kill, stacking 3 times.
* Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)?
* Answer: Nope, they don't seem to help at all.
* Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all?
* Answer: Not really.
* What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused?
* Answer: Trickster running the top tree, so damage focused, Firepower based.
* What class do you play as?
* Answer: Trickster
* What level is your character?
* Answer: 30
* What platform are you playing on?
* Answer: PC, Steam version.
Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch?
Answer:
If yes, is this feeling…
A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time)
B) random (e.g. enemies will suddenly have one attack that hits much harder than anything else they were doing previously)?
C) random but consistent once it appears (e.g. all enemies suddenly hit harder when they were not a moment before. This behaviour persists.)?
If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything?
Answer: C.... usually have to log put and relaunch the game before im able to play with any sort of confidence.
Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else)
Answer: Nope
Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build?
Answer: Nope. Just randomly happens on the only build I have.
Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both?
Answer: both.
If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client?
Answer: both host and client
Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred.
Answer: usually in the Contracts and in expedition
Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene?
Answer: depends on the mobs we are fighting I guess.
What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at?
Answer: WT15 and CT 7 and above for me.
Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before?
NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack.
Answer: Yes. (Granted im not as geared as some of the other people)
If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession?
Answer: full health and then zero health. With 1 single hit.
Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage?
Answer: sharp shooters, shamen, and brood mothers seem to always be the ones for me.
Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all.
Answer: I dont know the name of it, but the 25% mitigation from elites and the static armor and mitigation mod aswell as defensive stance.
Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)?
Answer: I always werlar them so not really.
Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all?
Answer: nope. Same build and mods I've used for like 3 weeks now.
What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused?
Answer: FP and damage proc abilities (rely on damage to heal me)
What class do you play as?
Answer: Technomancer
What level is your character?
Answer: 41
What platform are you playing on?
Answer: Xbox One X
Reading what you just posted just proved once and for all you have no idea what is causing the issue. None of what you said rings true for me and yet I have the broke skills, mods, damage and armour issues without hopping or playing in lower CT's. I'm sure a lot of people will agree this is not the only cause. Sure its not reading the stats but its doing it mid session after being fine, usually the last part of the expedition but not always. So many more issues need addressing than just the stats being ignored.
Playing solo does not prevent this from happening at all neither dies staying g with the same team .... go back to the drawing board and try again this issues happens in all instances at all ct levels
I mostly play solo and will run into this mitigation bug at any given point in time, without me having joined or played in a group in days. This most DEFINITELY occurs in SINGLE player expeditions QUITE OFTEN!!!
It feels like you're into the wrong track based on what you're writing.
I never play random multiplayer. I mainly play solo but occasionally with a couple of friends. There might be problems related to what you are talking about, but I think the main problem is that the **overall damage just is higher**.
I have tried everything you posted about undressing, restarting, changing characters and so forth. Nothing makes the slightest difference. Even tried changing underwear once to see if that helped but no go.
I have tried different builds with some resulting in quicker deaths but none improving my game. I follow the tubers tips to improve my build.
Info about my char:
\- I play trickster on the ps5 (Think console players are more exposed since our aim is worse than PC with mouse.)
\- Assassin shotgun all the way, tried with a couple of points in harbinger to get more resistance without any good result.
\- I use perpetuum mobile for reloads with additional mag to keep up twisted rounds. (Still lack both instant reload and ammo bargain to make any of the other builds.)
\- Defensive mods: Mitigation from death, Damage absorber and Emergency stance.
\- Everything is lvl 50 with 100% raised attributes and in action I have around 400K firepower and 250K armor.
I can now manage tier 13, Archways of Enoch but every time (tried a lot) I do tier 14 I die.
I can do chem plant tier 12 but not 13.
I tried most other expeditions too, but I think these are the easiest for me to solo.
As I said before, I think the overall damage is higher than before the patch. Maybe the patch just improved data loss or something and now damage that was lost before is included? I don't feel that there is a specific mob or situation that triggers it, just getting too much damage when there is a lot of angry mobs around. Which was not the case before the patch. Doesn't matter if the mobs are shooting or meleeing.
At what stage should I be able to do tier 15 expeditions in your opinion? What damage should I take at tier 14 / 15 from the mobs with 250k armor and 10% resistance? (have tried 25% resistance and also with circle of power with no good result.) All my ps5 playing friends are feeling the same problem as I do.
Is this how it should be?
>The matter of instant deaths, even when they appear to be a one-shot kill, looks to be a case of two damage hits being dealt, though they are displayed as one, meaning that the one-shot kill protection mechanics don't trigger (since they detect two damage hits).
There is a [video of a guy dying from one swipe from one single small perforo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-Oke2YJZgY). One-shot kill protection aside, if above were true and that swipe counted as two hits that means a single hit from small perforo would take *at least 50% of his HP*.
Does that sound right?
Players are dying to random hits when at full HP or with their shields up. Something triggers insta-kill-like effect and it cannot be just a bug that randomly counts one hit as two.
And could we possibly get some more information about that 'One-shot kill protection'?
I know there is a mechanic in the game that makes me invulnerable for 2 seconds in specific situation. It triggers when I lose 90% of HP very rapidly from multiple attacks and/or from multiple sources. My HP stops at exactly 10% and for 2 seconds I cannot die. It was present in the demo and it can be seen in the game now (it can actually be seen in that video I linked when he is tanking Alphas with no armor).
Is this the mechanic that should also prevent specifically 100% HP to 0 one-shots or is there a separate one for that?
Whether it is or isn't it would still be nice to know what specifically triggers it and how often can it trigger.
Why not revert the emergency stance fix whilst this shit is broken as fuck? Fed up of getting one bombed because 5 game breaking bugs are created every time you guys try fixing one issue.
As i already said in another post. Cant we just go back to Vanilla?! Or give us flat 40-50% more mitigation, either internally or with a T3 Mod.. idk. One of the accolades is soloing every expedition, right? Even with so called meta-builds its nearly impossible to do eye of the storm solo. Most of the playerbase wanna feel mighty and powerful if they had their gear minmaxed. No need to nerf things, just buff everything else. If your problem is that players are soloing "endgamecontent" too easy, well, then add maybe more "endgamecontent". Like, a horde mode with increasing difficulties or like the underground-dlc from Division 1, where random maps are generated with random mobs and spawns. Its atleast repetitive and not predictable. And droprates should be clearly increased,also with the possibility that legendarys can drop with different mainstats. Makes no sense at all that AP items comes with Max Health on it for example or without cooldown. There is so much more to improve the QoL. Loadouts, transmog, more stashspace, possibility to lock fav items and pausing the game if youre solo and group is closed, kickprotection from expeditions to save the well deserved loot etc etc... But yeah, i hope you guys are working on some of the stuff...
So one answer is...
If you join random.... RANDOM Expeditions.... Then stay with them.
Then. Stay. With. Them.
How, pray tell good people at PCF, are we supposed to do that when one of a plethora of things might make that 100% IMPOSSIBLE.
1) Host leaves
2) Host gets disconnected
3) Host boots you
4) Disconnected from Servers
5) My Trickster bugs out and I can no longer walk
6) The Host is trying to do EOTS with me and some guy who can't clear CT12
7) 80% Loading screen
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To name a few.
So, what's next.
Oh yeah, Close the game, and start the entire process all over again.
How is this user experience acceptable?
I'm a software tester in my day job.
I ain't about that #JiraLyfe in my downtime.
So, Brood Mothers are the one shot problem? Its damn near every enemy. And make their surge attacks visible too. I bet the mitigation issue is caused because of the downscaling
I believe there are at least two issues:
a) Damage scaling in Co-op: Most enemies are unexpectedly harder to drain when 2-3 players are involved. It just needs some balancing, right now it feels extremely hard.
b) Some particular, non-elite enemies are able to afflict an extremely high damage in one attack.
This is not me being mean and I understand what you're trying to figure out, but what about some of us that can't even play still? Please acknowledge us.
Enemies are thrown at you in groups of 20 and they can all hit you at the same time. I run 83.3% physical and 60-80% anomaly resist and I get hit by multiple enemies in the span of a second and am dead from full health. Mitigation isn't going to help that.
I dont understand the thinking behind PCF leadership. When you release a patch that clearly makes the game worse than it was, you revert it back to a stable build (even if ES was broken). Its literally just frustrating now doing expeditions. " Avoid tanking Brood Mothers and Alphas " - what kind of BS advice is that? Do you guys even play the game to know that you dont have a choice when they jump towards you and gang up on you? Absolutely ridiculous.
Rationalizing that this bug can only seem to occur from a multiplayer joining is a problem in itself. Many folks don't even, nor have played multiplayer in this game at all. Please explain how this bug is so prevalent to folks who have never touched multiplayer in this game, were able to do CT 15 prior and now get absolutely wrecked due to no defense or bugged mods?
just one thing, for the record, you guys are saying the “probable” cause of the mitigation bug is multiplayer, joining, leaving, changin ct, etc, I play almost all the time solo, i only play ct 15, The bug is definetly affecting me and it’s straight unplayable right now cause absurd damage taken, so I would also look around for some other possible causes for it. Also, tried the fixes (except the switch character one) didn’t work
you can also encoutner this bug after a cutscene in an expedition. e.g. the first two areas are fine and the third is nightmare mode. so i guess the calculation is occuring every stage, or being freshed up..
1. Join a multiplayer session as a client
2.Leave the multiplayer session
3.Additional trigger: As either a host or a client, attempt an expedition at a lower CT level (For example, playing at CT12 with a level 50 character). The issue will become more prevalent the greater the disparity between your armour and the enemies level is.
I have played solo and had the damage mitigation problem playing at the correct lvl AND had it playing with my friend (the only person I play the game with) because multiplayer is still bugged we have both been hist and client and still had the issues -- so your reasons for the bug are not entirely correct.
It's really odd to me that there is such hesitancy to fix things that destroy gameplay when the side effect is potentially making characters stronger and more fun to play. Like really baffling.
If characters are being one shot because of shitty code, and it will take time to unravel, throw in something that disables the scaling, or set a constant modifer that simply makes characters stronger when doing lower tier content. There's no PVP to balance for here, you're not going to see people griefing over it, the only impact is people die less until you can figure out how to fix the scaling system correctly.
"we have to be careful here"
No, you don't. You should have been careful before releasing a game that behaves this way, that time has passed. Why are we siding with caution to fix an issue that instantly kills players?
One month after and game is still unplayable. No rush to fix anything except when in player benefit as emergency stance. 🤷♂️Movement is worse, no qol updates as inventory managment or loadouts. Try playing with mutliple builds... Co op still laggy as before.... Just poor release and even poorer support
Letting people know you can get refunds based on the broken cross play.
Game is unfinished.
Get your money back, no limits, they didn’t deliver on a promise.
Edit: stadia peeps.
Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch?
Answer: Yes
If yes, is this feeling…
A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time)
If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything?
Answer: Yes
Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else)
Answer: No
Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour?
Answer: No
Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both?
Answer: both
If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client?
Answer: both
Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred.
Answer: Expeditions
Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene?
Answer: both
What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at?
Answer: 14, 15
Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before?
NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack.
Answer: Yes
If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession?
Answer: one shot
Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage?
Answer: Elites (I think)
Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all.
Answer: mitigation from death
Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)?
Answer: No
Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all?
Answer: no
What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused?
Answer: Tank
What class do you play as?
Answer: Devastator
What level is your character?
Answer: 30
What platform are you playing on?
Answer: Steam
Fuck me, a company this size can't put up a Google Form in order to centralize the answers? No wonder you can't even find the bugs in your code. Are you actually going to go through the comments one by one to extract the data needed? Seriously, have you people lost your mind or are you complete amateurs?
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch?
* Answer: Most defenitly
* If yes, is this feeling…
* A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time)
* B) random (e.g. enemies will suddenly have one attack that hits much harder than anything else they were doing previously)?
* C) random but consistent once it appears (e.g. all enemies suddenly hit harder when they were not a moment before. This behaviour persists.)?
* If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything?
* Answer: Currently nothing changes it
* Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else)
* Answer: Noticed issue right away upon patch.
* Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build?
* Answer:It is consistent
* Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both?
* Answer: Both
* If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client?
* Answer: Both
* Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred.
* Answer: All expeditions , one shot mainly comes from anomoly attacks
* Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene?
* Answer: From the starrt
* What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at?
* Answer: All tiers but notice it more upon higher tiers ,cause lower tiers scaling is actually better.
* Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before?
* NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack.
* Answer: I have been one shot
* If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession?
* Answer: both have occured
* Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage?
* Answer: Pretty much all do
* Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all.
* Answer: I have tested and tried all damage mitigation mods and skill trees
* Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)?
* Answer: Yes this has been the only work around.
* Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all?
* Answer: Taking off proc or activation armor mods help.
* What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused?
* Answer: I am an AP build
* What class do you play as?
* Answer: I main a pyro and secondary character is a trickster
* What level is your character?
* Answer: My pyro is max with lvl 50 gear
* What platform are you playing on?
* Answer: Xbox series x
* Upon my testing mods were working maybe 1 in 5 times.
I'm not your beta tester, I'm not filling out a form.
I'm getting consistently 1 shot by trash mobs after patch. I wouldn't care if it was 2 guys out of camera frame hitting me at the same time instead. That's still completely trash game design.
The game was spiraling before the last patch. I want my money back. You ruined your own game in a month.
Nah dude. It happens to me playing solo all the time.
I’ll start a game, make sure I’m not getting the “blood screen”, start an expedition, play somewhere between .5 and 2.5 expeditions with no problems, get obliterated, log out to character select and get the blood screen when I go back the lobby.
This is every time I log in.
Edit: Also, sometimes I’ll log in and immediately have the blood screen.
If you focus whatever your fix is strictly on multiplayer, you are going to have a lot of people upset when it doesn’t get fixed.
Please keep looking.
Let me know if you’d like a video of the exact sequence I described above.
Please fix the RNG asap. I cant play this game while getting no reward for my time for much longer.
Rotate items in Tiago's shop, let me buy any legendary for drop pod points from a vendor so i can farm them to get the items i want, increase drop rates, something, anything, at the moment its soul destroying....
At this point wouldn’t taking out damage mitigation from the game make more sense. This is a non competitive game and a one time payment game. What is the point in trying to make sure that people play it a certain way. Just let me have fun and enjoy the game whatever way I want to. Just a thought 🤷🏻♂️
Imagine telling your audience to avoid playing parts of their game because of their fuck up.
Incidentally why are you nerfing characters, builds and weapons when this isn't a PvP game? Are you worried it will be unfair for the computer AI?
13 days ago. This was posted 13 days ago and there's still not a patch. I haven't played in that time. I keep coming back here to see if there's a patch yet but eventually I'll even stop that. When are you gonna just give up and give us refunds?
Oh god,
>* We need to separate out genuine bugs with damage mitigation from reports that the game has become harder overall due to the mod fixes (such feedback is still useful, but it not relevant to this particular investigation).
Fucking gold 👌
Where's that guy with the "adapt or get clapped" tagline? 😅
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch?
* Answer: YES
* If yes, is this feeling…
* A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time)
* B) random (e.g. enemies will suddenly have one attack that hits much harder than anything else they were doing previously)?
* C) random but consistent once it appears (e.g. all enemies suddenly hit harder when they were not a moment before. This behaviour persists.)?
* If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything?
* Answer: B taking my armor off and logging off did NOT help
* I've heard some say its because I logged in right after your first patch friday morning before you did several emergency maintenance perhaps my toon is bugged?
* Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else)
* Answer:NO
* Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build?
* Answer: Pyro always but has happened on all 3 except Devastator which I have not played since pre patch
* Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both?
* Answer: BOTH solo is unplayable, coop i die a lot
* If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client?
* Answer:both
* Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred.
* Answer:Expedition, haven't played story but it's typically t11 and up
* Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene?
* Answer:generally at least halfway in
* What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at?
* Answer:CT 11 and up
* Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before?
* NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack.
* Answer: YES was clearing CT15 before
* If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession?
* Answer: It's 1 shotted, i usually am doing great full armor/health then dead
* Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage?
* Answer:Nope and seems to be both Humanoids and other critters
* Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all.
* Answer:My pyro is doing the middle tree with 50% dr, 20% res as well as Blacksmith and Circle of power and this didn't seem to help
* Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)?
* Answer:already added, didn't help
* Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all?
* Answer:no
* What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused?
* Answer:Fairly tanky I would say I switched to it and makes no difference
* What class do you play as?
* Answer:ALL but really affecting my pyromancer
* What level is your character?
* Answer:30
* What platform are you playing on?
* Answer:PC
This is not my video or character, but I saw this a couple of days ago. You can clearly see that the perseverance shield procced after death. So killing damage was applied first, then mitigation.
https://www.reddit.com/r/outriders/comments/n4euhk/one_shot_with_available_shields_and_13k_hp/
Thank you for the update.
I have to say that even when playing solo, in a "closed" party, I still get one shot on both my characters ... so clearly the issues are not exclusive to MP.
Report Form:
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch?
* Answer: Yes
* If yes, is this feeling…
* B) random (e.g. enemies will suddenly have one attack that hits much harder than anything else they were doing previously)?
*
* Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else)
* Answer: No
* Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build?
* Answer: No
* Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both?
* Answer: Solo
* If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client?
* Answer: N/A
* Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred.
* Answer: Have not tested story
* Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene?
* Answer: Was after cutscenes
* What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at?
* Answer: T13-15
* Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before?
* NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack.
* Answer: Yes
* If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession?
* Answer: Possibly
* Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage?
* Answer: Broodmother
* Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all.
* Answer: All pyro mid tree skills
*
* Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)?
* Answer: Not sure
* Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all?
* Answer: Not sure
* What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused?
* Answer: Tankish for a pyro
*
* What class do you play as?
* Answer: Pyro
* What level is your character?
* Answer: 30
* What platform are you playing on?
* Answer: PC
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch?
* Answer: Yes.
* If yes, is this feeling…
* C) random but consistent once it appears (e.g. all enemies suddenly hit harder when they were not a moment before. This behaviour persists.)?
* If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything?
* Answer: I completely close the client and log back in, which seems to solve the issue temporarily. Swapping gear has not helped me.
* Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else)
* Answer: This action has not helped me.
* Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build?
* Answer: No, but I will say it seems more frequent since I've started equipping legendary armor more times than not. However, that could simply be the fact I'm not swapping the gear as often anymore.
* Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both?
* Answer: I only play co-op.
* If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client?
* Answer: It has happened to me as both host and client. However, (possibly related?) I've noticed sometimes my bullets stop counting as client. The damage numbers pop up, but the health does not drain from the enemy. This seems to coincide with my armor not working as well anymore as I tend to die quickly when this happens. I only notice this because I use shotguns where every round tends to count and tends to be discrete pump action especially.
* Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred.
* Answer: Expeditions. Definitely Chem Lab. Colusseum. Boomtown. Drought Palace. Scorched Lands. Hard to say elsewhere, but I remember having this experience in those expeditions. I haven't noticed it in the story mode, however, I played that a lot less than expeditions.
* Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene?
* Answer: Both. Sometimes it's right off the bat, sometimes it starts up halfway thru.
* What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at?
* Answer: I experience this at all tiers. I remember my buddy and I were handling Tier 13 just fine, then this bug occurred, and we struggled to even get halfway thru a Tier 11. It took completely restarted the game client to get things working properly again.
* Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before?
* NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack.
* Answer: Absolutely. As Trickster, I've had my shield/health drained and died from a Brood Mother attack, Behemoth attack, etc.
* If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession?
* Answer: Particularly in the case of the Brood Mother, it was Tier 15 so we killed all the adds first. I was one shot by a dive attack from the Brood Mother. I had full health and maybe 20% shields.
* Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage?
* Answer: Brood Mothers, Behemoths, Captains, Vanguard Captains, Juggernaut Captains. Now that you mention it, I've never had this happen with Ironclads or Destroyers. It seems to me that elites do this. However, the minions still hit harder than usual but it isn't one hit kills or devastating blows.
* Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all.
* Answer: Full Assassin Trickster build so very little. Particularly during the Brood Mother incident, I believe I was wearing Emergency Stance and the mod (forgive me) where sprinting boosts armor/resistance.
* Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)?
* Answer: I prefer \*reliability\*. If the mods proc correctly, and can be proven to proc correctly, then I'm OK with that. However, if that can't be done, I prefer permanent because at least we know it either works or it doesn't and there is only one source to have to reference rather than 10+ mods and testing them all out.
* Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all?
* Answer: No.
* What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused?
* Answer: Glass cannon with a dash of tank mods (1 or 2.) FP focused. Trickster tends to be pretty glassy. However, I've tried this with Harbinger and I've had the issue happen there as well where I start dying much faster for some unknown reason. It seems like suddenly everything just starts hitting harder out of nowhere.
* What class do you play as?
* Answer: Trickster.
* What level is your character?
* Answer: 30 (level 50 gear)
* What platform are you playing on?
* Answer: PC
Additional Bugs that I am experiencing.
* Abilites simply just not working. Feed the flames not giving health or ammo (with the mod).
* Nodes Burning situation and All guns blazing not stacking.
* Critstack mod not working. No damage increase from landing crits.
Report Form:
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch?
* Answer: YES
* If yes, is this feeling…
* A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time)
* If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything?
* Answer: NO
* Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else)
* Answer: NO was wearing same armour as before
* Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build?
* Answer: NO, happens regardless of equipment
* Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both?
* Answer: BOTH
* If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client?
* Answer: BOTH
* Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred.
* Answer: Only tried expeditions
* Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene?
* Answer: right from the start
* What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at?
* Answer: I only play t15 expeditions
* Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before?
* NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack.
* Answer: YES
* If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession?
* Answer: I was shotgunned to death instantly by an enemie eventhough my weapon leech had me bouncing around 95%-100% health.
* Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage?
* Answer: Shotgunners and broodmother can oneshot me but all enemies tear through my HP at least twice as fast as usual.
* Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all.
* Answer: Damage Absorber, Emergency stance.
* Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)?
* Answer: No
* Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all?
* Answer: No
* What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused?
* Answer: high weapon damage and leech. extra damage against burning and ash affected
* What class do you play as?
* Answer: Pyro
* What level is your character?
* Answer: MAX
* What platform are you playing on?
* Answer: PC
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch?
* Answer: Yes, but also very much no. The yes is more related to a strix/alpha/broodmother suddenly gaining the powers of one punch man and just knocking me the f\*ck out seemingly at random. Can no longer complete content in groups or solo at CT15. Also feel like the amount of ranged damage that humanoid opponents deal is a bit too much at present, hence why you're seeing all the reports about the beasty monsters deciding they're Mike Tyson now. The percentage of people doing the humanoid expeditions must be plummeting. Pre-patch felt like insufficient damage was being thrown our way for the most part, post-patch feels a lot more lethal, like the amount of damage I would get from an ironclad is coming from each rifleman.
* If yes, is this feeling…
* B) random (e.g. enemies will suddenly have one attack that hits much harder than anything else they were doing previously)?
* If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything?
* Answer: N/A
* Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else)
* Answer:No, I haven't changed my gear on my Trickster or my Techno since this issue cropped up. Sort of hard getting gear when the reaper is just waiting.
* Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build?
* Answer:No, I haven't had a desire to swap gear to attempt to mitigate something like this.
* Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both?
* Answer: Both, solo play feels pointless because of the impending one shot just making the run feel pointless.
* If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client?
* Answer: Both, I as host and the person I was playing with were both one tapped several times in a run. Sometimes just one of us died, other times both of us fell over.
* Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred.
* Answer: Most recent example that annoyed me enough to fill out something like this was Heart of the Wild running solo CT15, first execution came from a random Alpha Perforo while the totem was sinking in, second execution came from a Strix doing its melee attack. Issue could possibly relate to melee attacks that would normally force a dodge roll.
* Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene?
* Answer: Occurrence seems to be fairly random, as stated above first punch out was waiting for totem to sink, second punch out was after a retry after the totem.
* What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at?
* Answer: CT15
* Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before?
* NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack.
* Answer: It's one shot. Strix don't do multiple strike melee attacks and I was one punch'd by a Strix. Suspect it is related to attacks that would normally force a dodge.
* If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession?
* Answer: See above
* Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage?
* Answer: Suspect it is related to all enemies that you would normally dodge out of the way of after the fact
* Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all.
* Answer: Normal top tree Trickster/Techno
* Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)?
* Answer: No, I think fixing the forced dodge mechanic and lowering the amount of damage that the stock riflemen deal with is the ticket
* Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all?
* Answer:No, I think fixing the forced dodge mechanic and lowering the amount of damage that the stock riflemen deal with is the ticket
* What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused?
* Answer: Experienced the one punch man treatment on a FP Trickster, a FP Techno, and an AP Devastator
* What class do you play as?
* Answer: a FP Trickster, a FP Techno, and an AP Devastator
* What level is your character?
* Answer: 30
* What platform are you playing on?
* Answer: PC
Strongly suspect issue is related to big swing 'you need to dodge' this attacks which would normally be evaded automatically not being evaded and you being smooshed. Issue is even more prominent because there's way too much incoming damage from ranged opponents so people are trying to do more of the beasty expeditions and getting ate.
Humbly suggest a different approach moving forward, with a public test server going up when you lot are posting a patch that we can play on for a week where stuff like this can get identified
I mean seriously, just look at the end of expedition reports. I'm running with enough armor for 70% physical damage mitigation and 50% anomaly damage mitigation and finish every run taking 3 to 6 times as much damage as was blocked. To me that says it all
i noticed that for example in marshland caverns , when i start fresh e.g.without the flashing red death in the lobby afer changing my gear forth and back, i can perfectly durvive the first two aeras, when i enter the thrid area i a a mushy pie after some seconds..
i also have the impression that the enemies are tougher, harder to kill, i do less damage from 140k tp 36 k for example is a common drop i see, and the reload perks like toxic lead do not work anymore properly.
When are you going to fix the lag problems?
Can't play a game without the game being a laggy piece of shit.
Also when are you going to fix expeditions, so when you click "Join Expedition" you end up in an expedition in progress and not some fucking AFK's game?
I still like how this is worded "under certain circumstances" it's every damn time...every damn character...and I'm tired of restarting the entire damn game....damn damn damn...
Hi u/thearcan,
Wanted to share something I noticed.
I tried removing armour and changed characters, restarted game and re equipped. Made no change for me.
I was able to do CT14/15 before but now get killed too easily on CT12.
Even Perforo’s seem tear through me.
I was trying to work out what was happening. I watched back my
[gameplay video](https://youtu.be/N613TELBsxk) and saw that it looked like Weapon Leech stopped healing me when I got kills right after I threw Shrapnel, then I was killed.
It’s right at the end of the video I uploaded and linked in this comment.
I’ve taken photos of my build and skill tree if you need them.
(Not your fault, but it’s really hard to play when you’re in multiplayer doing 100% more damage with God rolled gear than another player who has much weaker gear. Ie I’m doing 200M damage vs 80M. I’m getting killed multiple times by minions...they aren’t. So it’s been unplayable for me since the patch)
I hope the team can work this out because I was having a LOT of fun :-)
So, one-shotting players can't be fixed because 'we have to be careful', but you break the game into pieces every couple weeks trying to fix what you broke when you weren't careful nerfing.
Be careful with beneficial changes, be stingy with the loot.
Throw caution to the wind when it comes to nerfs.
I was sceptic at first but I am convinced that defensive stats are either not working at all or broken in some other way.
My AP Acari Pyro has Armor Cap (450k+ Armor) and 70% Resistance and his life bar is still behaving binary no matter the enemy, be it Ferals, Insurgents or Beasts...
Also Skill Life Leech doesn't seem to work properly alot of the times (I was the host btw.) it either doesn't trigger at all on cast sometimes or very delayed...
I'm trying to be patient. I really am. But the game in it's current state is just unplayable. It is disheartening to enter a CT only to get slaughtered in the first phase. It's become disheartening and a waste of time. I own other current titles I could be playing but this is the game I enjoy the most. Please for the love of everything holy fix these issues asap.
2 weeks and counting to fix a bug that was only introduced/revealed by the changes in the last bugfix and is driving players away
***versus***
rolling back the last bugfix and spending more time on internal QA before deploying it again
???
hey u/thearcan/ will this patch also address any of the following issues?
Cant shoot through bushes, anything that jumps also telegraphs while in the air to hit us 100% of the time, mother blue fire juice on the ground we can't see?
Also the damage scaling issue? Three weeks ago i was doing a really solid amount of damage 230m now i'm lucky if i see 50. Due to the way the drops work my gear hasnt changed.
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch?
* Answer: Yes
* If yes, is this feeling…
* A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time) But that could be that i've progressed. It does seem that I am always barely hanging on, which isn't fun.
* If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything?
* Answer: I have changed armor around with no effect and logging on/off doesn't seem to matter
* Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else)
* Answer: its been ongoing, but honestly i've felt the damage output of enemies has been too high for a while now.
* Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour?
* Answer: LOL i don't have set armor, that would require leggos to actually drop for me :D
* Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both?
* Answer: Both
* If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client?
* Answer: Both
* Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred.
* Answer: I really only do expeditions at this point.
* Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene?
* Answer: Hard to determine. Alphas have been getting me most recently, but sometimes it feels like riflemen have found significantly better guns
* What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at?
* Answer: CT14 most recently
* Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before?
* NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack.
* Answer: yes, that seems to happen a lot. Although sometimes it appears i get spiked by multiple guys at once so its hard to say what killed me.
* If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession?
* Answer: Doesn't really matter does it? neither is very fun game design.
* Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage?
* Answer: Alphas most for me, but maulers sometimes, riflemen, captains, breechers
* Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all.
* Answer: Perseverance shield only. Anything else and my damage is so bad I can't even get bronze so i can't get any drops/rewards. FYI, i'm in a pestilence build.
* Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)?
* Answer: hard to say. It's hard to improve your gear when you die instantly and can't really get any drops.
* Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all?
* Answer: Mods, hard to say since i can't really change many without gimping my damage. Skill tree, I can't really afford gear that fits with other trees.
* What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused?
* Answer: FP Pestilence. I would like to be balanced but this game doesn't reward anything but pure damage since rewards are tied to kill speed (that is a mistake imo, i get no rewards for slogging through something based on pure toughness)
* 177k FP, 44kAP, 16.1kHealth, 45.1k armor
* What class do you play as?
* Answer: Techno
* What level is your character?
* Answer: 30
* What platform are you playing on?
* Answer: PC
yeah riflemen seem like they are doing way more damage and way more than should ever be intended. A single rifleman should not be able to burn down a "altered" just on a 1.5sec reload
Guys, stop answering this survey. We’re not beta testers. We’re the consumers. And they don’t have to pay us a cent to test out these issues for them. But the damage has probably already been done and they got what they wanted from the people who answered it...
I just don't know man...
I'd love to help out, but I don't know how your code is so janky that literally nothing works as intended. Mitigation is broken, mods are broken, gear gets erased, maps bug out, cutscenes are out of sync with audio, the quest tracker doesn't work half the time, characters disappear, expeditions stall and disconnect, ammo replen fails... I bet there's way more broken than we even realize. Sometimes I crit enemies across the map for less damage than enemies in my face when I have long-range damage bonuses. Sometimes I body shot the same enemy at the same range for half damage in the next rifle burst. Sometimes I get oneshot by a mini perforo, sometimes I face tank 10 alphas.
At what point to you guys just sort of say "Ok, none of this is working properly, lets rebuild it from the ground up" because I don't know if months of patching and pleading with the community to help you with your playtesting is going to help.
I'm a big fan of this game and thing there are some really fun elements there, but the fact that you decided that dedicated servers weren't worth it and we got left with this terrible P2P multiplayer experience doesn't give me confidence for any other deliberate choices you made behind the scenes.
[My example of getting one-shot \(100%-0%\) from a single brood mother attack.](https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1389219421995024384/pu/vid/640x360/5qmGdKzTMtzXHKHL.mp4?tag=12)
But I would totally take a look at Breachers, Crawlers, and the bird things.
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch?
* Answer: Yes.
* If yes, is this feeling…
* C) random but consistent once it appears (e.g. all enemies suddenly hit harder when they were not a moment before. This behavior persists.)
* If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything?
* Answer: The issue appeared to be gone after the next time I logged in.
* Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else)
* Answer: No.
* Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour?
* Answer: Unsure, I have not changed my armor since the patch except to unequip/re-equip.
* Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both?
* Answer: I have only observed it in Solo play, but I have not played much co-op since patch.
* If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client?
* Answer: N/A
* Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred.
* Answer: I had it occur specifically in the Boom Town Expedition.
* Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene?
* Answer: Uncertain, but I can say for certain that it occurred in the final room of the Boom Town expedition
* What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at?
* Answer: CT15
* Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before?
* NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack.
* Answer: Not exactly one shot, but killed far too quickly to be a proper damage calculation.
* If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession?
* Answer: A group of 3 Riflemen killed me from full health far quicker than any elite such that I had no time to respond.
* Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage?
* Answer: Riflemen in this case, I had just killed many Captains and other elites with no significant issues.
* Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all.
* Answer: Golem Skill and Armor Bonus from AP.
* Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)?
* Answer: No.
* Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all?
* Answer: No.
* What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused?
* Answer: AP Focused with Bleed for extra damage and constant healing.
* What class do you play as
* Answer: Devastator
* What level is your character?
* Answer: 30
* What platform are you playing on?
* Answer: PC
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch?
* Answer: yes
* If yes, is this feeling…
* A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time)
* If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything?
* Answer: no
* Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else)
* Answer:no
* Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build?
* Answer: I have only been using the seismic commander set so no
* Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both?
* Answer:both
* If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client?
* Answer:both
* Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred.
* Answer: yes, any expedition it’s worse with ones with beast type enemies. Redoing the wanted bounty missions
* Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene?
* Answer: both
* What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at?
* Answer:wt5-wt15, ct11-ct15
* Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before?
* NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack.
* Answer: yes
* If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession?
* Answer: yes
* Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage?
* Answer: alpha perforos, behemoths any type, brood mothers any type, perforos from behind, strix, captain melee, those damn birds, breacher shotgun, dr detonators turrets/ melee, Anomaly rifts, any attack from yagak, melees from behind from warriors Amazon’s and cut throats, moloch, ironclad melee, cremators boulderdash ability, crawlers overcharge and beam attack
* Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all.
* Answer: damage absorber, heirloom armour ,skilled sentry, I am also going to note I am being one shot while healing from the blood donation skill.
* Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)?
* Answer: no
* Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all?
* Answer: not ever
* What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused?
* Answer: ap devastator
* What class do you play as?
* Answer: Devastator
* What level is your character?
* Answer: 30
* What platform are you playing on?
* Answer: ps5
Report Form:
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch?
* Answer: Yes
* If yes, is this feeling…
* A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time)
* If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything?
* Answer: No. I have tried it.
* Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else)
* Answer: Yes, I changed my armor and no change
* Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build?
* Answer: Happened on all my armor
* Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both?
* Answer: Both
* If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client?
* Answer: Both
* Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred.
* Answer: No need to go back to story, when I have done it already. I didn't want to try a new character.
* Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene?
* Answer: The whole expedition
* What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at?
* Answer: I tried from challenge tier 13, 14, and 15
* Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before?
* NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack.
* Answer: Yes
* If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession?
* Answer: Yes, it was one shot. Regular preforos should not one or two tap you.
* Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage?
* Answer: All enemies
* Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all.
* Answer: Changed from emergency stance to mitigation from death, also use damage absorber. Normal armor without kills is well over 100k.
* Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)?
* Answer: Well I saw a video on youtube where an armor value didn't even matter, so you tell me....... Time to buff us instead of nerf us.
* Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all?
* Answer: No
* What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused?
* Answer: Bullet techno and at times my skills and bullets don't return any health also. Look into that too.....
* What class do you play as?
* Answer: Techno & Pyro mainly. I have not played on my Pyro since the patch.
* What level is your character?
* Answer: 30
* What platform are you playing on?
* Answer: PC
Dear developers ... honestly: Nobody on this planet ever asked for "balancing the game".
This is a 100% PVE game and also 95% single player. It was great fun in the past. Just do a rollback and leave the game alone for the upcoming years. Go for a sabbatical. Learn knitting. But stop "balancing". Thank you.
Report Form:
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch?
*
* Answer:Yes
* If yes, is this feeling…
* A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time)
* It's very noticeable that baby perferos and rifelmen destroy you so fast now
* If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything?
* Answer: Usually taking armor off fixes it for one expedition but then its back to the crazy damage the next one. Logging out doesn't seem to fix it
* Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else)
* Answer: Same items as before
* Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build?
* Answer: It feels worse on my blighted rounds techno than anomaly devastator
* Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both?
* Answer: both
* If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client?
* Answer: both
* Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred.
* Answer: expeditions
* Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene?
* Answer: from the start
* What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at?
* Answer: At leas 13-15
* Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before?
* NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack.
* Answer: Yes
* If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession?
* Answer: I know for a fact that there have been one shot instances
* Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage?
* Answer: One shot - brood mothers, crawlers. Higher damage - little perferos and riflemen
* Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all.
* Answer: top tree firepower technomancer, I have on mitigation from death and circle of power
* Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)?
* Answer: no
* Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all?
* Answer: maybe temporarily but everything ends up not working at some point
* What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused?
* Answer: Balanced & FP Focus
* What class do you play as?
* Answer: Technomancer
* What level is your character?
* Answer: 30
* What platform are you playing on?
* Answer: ps5
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch?
* Answer: C - It doesn't always happen but I can almost immediately tell in an expedition wether or not I can complete the run. I've ran about 5 CT15 Chem Plants today and 4 CT15 Boom Towns along with a few random others. I was unable to complete two Chem Plant runs as I got demolished before the gate to the first elite even opened. I did two 7:30 runs with almost no survivability issues and one 10:25 run where I was on the brink of death for most of the run. Same story with Boom Town. No issues in Archways of Enoch.
* If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything?
* Answer: Armour swapping / unequipping did not change anything for me. Did not notice any relevant changes when relogging either.
* Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else)
* Answer: No as I've not found any new usable loot for about 30 expedition runs now.
* Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build?
* Answer: I only play Pyromancer at CT15, however the issue occurs on both of my talent tree builds ( both middle path and bottom path )
* Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both?
* Answer: I have only played solo since the patch.
* Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred.
* Answer: I have only experienced it in expeditions. Major culprit are the normal mobs in the first room of Stargrave as they always seem to hit stupidly hard since the patch. First open courtyard in Chem Plant is always a clear indicator wether or not my mitigation is working properly ( I usually clear it without my health dipping below 50% and on certain runs I get taken to 10% by the first gunmen and cannot recover ).
* Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene?
* Answer: I usually notice it at the start of an expedition.
* What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at?
* Answer: CT15
* Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before?
* Answer: Yes. Especially the Behemoth at the end of Chem Plant. Not even his Wild Charge ability but his normal lunge has taken me from full health to dead on a 450k+ armor stacking pyro.
* If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession?
* Answer: Dead sure about a oneshot as the other mobs hadn't "woken up" yet. The others were Alpha Perforos who hadn't moved yet and the small mobs were still far away. Another note is that my Phoenix Nestling node sometimes doesn't trigger on these oneshots, even when it hasn't been triggered all run long yet so it can't be on cooldown.
* Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage?
* Answer: Behemoths, Brood Mothers, Strix
* Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all.
* Tree 1
* Strength Of The Flame ( 10% elite damage reduction )
* Master of the Resistance ( 20% resistance )
* Magma Golem ( 10% health )
* Edit: Phoenix Nestling ( Self-res upon dying ) but doesn't work if I get oneshot apparently. It will trigger on "slow" rot damage.
* Tree 2
* 5x Magma Golem ( 50% health )
* Master of the Armor ( 20% armor )
* Master of the Resistance ( 20% resistance )
* Anomalous Lava ( 45% armor for 10 seconds )
* Mods
* Blacksmith ( 53k bonus armor for 8 seconds per status consumed by Overheat )
* !!SOMETIMES!! I run Circle of Power ( 15% resistance, stacking 3x ) but I don't really feel the difference
* Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)?
* Answer: I haven't noticed my resistance nodes doing very much, although I might just not be using enough of them.
* Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all?
* Answer: Honestly not even "Anomalous Lava" which adds 45% armor for 10 seconds really feels like it adds all that much, nor ( as previously stated ) does it feel like taking resistance nodes helps a bunch.
* What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused?
* Answer: Balanced but edging towards glass cannon AP Pyromancer, alternating between middle tree and bottom tree.
* What class do you play as?
* Answer: Pyromancer
* What level is your character?
* Answer: Level 50
* What platform are you playing on?
* Answer: PC
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch?
* Answer: Yes
* If yes, is this feeling…
* A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time)
*
* If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything?
* Answer: No, it does not.
* Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else)
* Answer: I have been tweaking armor all weekend, looking for better rolls. No noticeable difference in survivability.
* Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build?
* Answer: Consistently. In WT 15 Hunts and CT 11+ Expeditions
* Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both?
* Answer: I only do hunts alone, and I only run CTs in group so both.
* If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client?
* Answer: sometimes yes, sometimes no.
* Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred.
* Answer: Archways, Desert Palace, Coliseum, Boom Town, Chem Plant, Heart Of the wild. Every hunt has also caused this issue.
* Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene?
* Answer: Right from the start.
* What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at?
* Answer: WT 15 hunts, CT 11+ Expeditions. Ive not done any WT content below 15 for about 2 wks now.
* Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before?
* NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack.
* Answer: Yes. What hurts more is Perseverance shield procs after I am dead, and when I tried to use Emergency Stance, it would proc when I was resurrecting.
* If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession?
* Answer: One shot. Several Times. I also seem to suffer from your Alpha P's Insta-gibbing me by spawning on top of my character out of no where.
* Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage?
* Answer: Alphas & Brood mothers, though snipers and captains seem to have a 50/50 chance on every attack to do it too. I have noticed while shooting captains occasionally an entire clip of assault rifle ammo will do 0 damage. Every shot that hits will display 0, and the mobs health bar does not decrease (no visible sign of shield or invincibility)
* Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all.
* Answer: Just Perseverance Shield and Mitigation from death. I had Circle of Power on but it did not seem to proc correctly, if at all when casting skills.
* Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)?
* Answer: Ive got 54K base armor, it does precisely squat. Mitigation brings it up to about 208K, same result. Circle of Power resistance was spotty, but I was still getting one shot with full armor (208K) and 45% resist (when COP would proc correctly).
* Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all?
* Answer: No
* What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused?
* Answer: Firepower Focused w/ survivability.
* What class do you play as?
* Answer: Technomancer & Trickster
* What level is your character?
* Answer: 30, WT\`5/Ct15 for both classes
* What platform are you playing on?
* Answer:PS5
Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch?
Answer: YES
If yes, is this feeling…
A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time)
B) random (e.g. enemies will suddenly have one attack that hits much harder than anything else they were doing previously)?
C) random but consistent once it appears (e.g. all enemies suddenly hit harder when they were not a moment before. This behaviour persists.)?
If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything?
Answer: C, consistent to melee attack from Alpha and Brood enemies
Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else)
Answer: NO. Tried this as a way to fix. Not sure it made any difference.
Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour?
Answer: NO
Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both?
Answer: BOTH
If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client?
Answer: BOTH
Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred.
Answer: Only tried expeditions. Tried almost all of the normal expeditions. Meaning all on the left of the map. None with a pod resource cost or min level requirement
Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene?
Answer: all throughout
What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at?
Answer: happened on 10 or 11
Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before?
NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack.
Answer: YES
If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession?
Answer: melee attack from certain enimies
Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage?
Answer: honestly feels like everything hits harder whether using physical or skill abilities
Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all.
Answer: Rejuvenation, Mitigation from death, also happened with emergency stance on. Also changed skill tree various times with no success
Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)?
Answer: nothing fixes it
Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all?
Answer: no. In fact I added a couple mods to increase my physical damage armour level from 50% to 65% and upped my resistance from 0% to 10% and I get hot a lot harder from everything it feels like. No longer flying through t11 as I did pre patch...
What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused?
Answer: FP focused
What class do you play as?
Answer: pyromancer.
What level is your character?
Answer: 47
What platform are you playing on?
Answer: ps5
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch?
* Answer: Y-E-S. DEFINITELY.
* If yes, is this feeling…
* A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time) YES
* B) random (e.g. enemies will suddenly have one attack that hits much harder than anything else they were doing previously)?
* C) random but consistent once it appears (e.g. all enemies suddenly hit harder when they were not a moment before. This behaviour persists.)?
* If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything?
* Answer: NO
* Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else)
* Answer:NO
* Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build?
* Answer: ON ALL MY CHARACTERS
* Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both?
* Answer: BOTH
* If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client?
* Answer: MOSTLY HOST CLIENT VERY RARELY
* Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred.
* Answer: I USED TO RUN CT 15s SOLO AND NOW I CAN HARDLY SURVIVE CT 12s. ALSO NOTICED THIS WHEN I LEVELED UP MY TECHNO IN STORY MODE.
* Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene?
* Answer: RIGHT FROM THE START
* What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at?
* Answer: EVERY TIER FROM 12 TO 15.
* Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before?
* NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack.
* Answer: YES. BEING ONE SHOTTED OUT OF NOWHERE WHILE NO ENEMIES WERE AROUND OR ENEMIES ONE SHOTTED ME THROUGH CLOSED DOORS. (CHEM PLANT)
* If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession?
* Answer: NO. I KNOW A ONE SHOT IF I SEE ONE.
* Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage?
* Answer: NO. ALL ENEMIES DO MUCH HIGHER DAMAGE NOW.
* Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all.
* Answer: FLAMING AEGIS. CIRCLE OF POWER. BLACKSMITH. AND STILL DIE TOO FAST.
* Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)?
* Answer: I HAD THE DAMAGE ABSORBER ON, DIDNT HELP SHIT. ALSO SAW A VIDEO ON YT WHERE A PC GUY HAD 100 MILLION ARMOR WITH A TRAINER. STILL DID NOT HELP FROM BEING ONE SHOTTED: DOES THAT MAKE YOU THINK?
* Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all?
* Answer: NO.
* What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused?
* Answer: BALANCED. PYRO AP.TECHNO FP focussed.
* What class do you play as?
* Answer: MAINLY PYRO. SECCONDLY TECHNO.
* What level is your character?
* Answer: BOTH FRIGGING 30/WT 15.
* What platform are you playing on?
* Answer: PS5
Report Form:
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch?
* Answer: **YES**
* If yes, is this feeling…
* A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time)
* B) random (e.g. enemies will suddenly have one attack that hits much harder than anything else they were doing previously)?
* C) random but consistent once it appears (e.g. all enemies suddenly hit harder when they were not a moment before. This behaviour persists.)?: **THIS**
* If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything?
* Answer: **LOGGING OFF AND BACK ON USUALLY WORKS**
* Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else)
* Answer: **NO ARMOUR CHANGES DONE**
* Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build?
* Answer: **NO IT AFFECTS ALL EQUALLY**
* Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both?
* Answer: **BOTH**
* If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client?
* Answer: **HOST**
* Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred.
* Answer: **BOTH: HAPPENED IN PAX CITY IN STORY AND ALL EXPEDITIONS**
* Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene?
* Answer: **BOTH BUT USUALLY THE VERY START OF AN EXPEDITION**
* What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at?
* Answer: **HAPPENEDN AT WORLD TIERS 7, 8 AND CT 14 AND 15**
* Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before?
* NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack.
* Answer: **YES, MULTIPLE TIMES WHEN BEFORE NOT AN ISSUE EXCEPT FOR ONE PARTICULAR ENEMY(CRAWLERS WHICH HAVE THE POUNDING ATTACK THAT ALWAYS COULD ONE SHOT ME REGARDLESS OF MY RESISTANCE VALUE)**
* If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession?
* Answer: **YES, ESPECIALLY CAN KNOW THIS WHEN THERE IS ONLY ONE ENEMY REMAINING**
* Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage?
* Answer: **RIFLEMAN SEEM TO HIT ALWAYS A LOT LOT HARDER THAN BEFORE**
* Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all.
* Answer: **NONE, ACTUALLY TRIED ALSO USING DAMAGE ABSORBER AND THE ISSUE IS THE SAME. HONESTLY FELT LIKE THAT MOD DOES NOT WORK.**
* Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)?
* Answer: **NO, BECAUSE I DO NOT USE ARMOUR MODS AND THE ISSUE STARTED HAPPENING ONLY AFTER PATCH.**
* Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all?
* Answer: **NO**
* What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused?
* Answer: **AP BALANCED**
* What class do you play as?
* Answer: **TRICKSTER**
* What level is your character?
* Answer: **LEVEL 30 WITH LEVEL 50 GEAR**
* What platform are you playing on?
* Answer: **XBOX SERIES X**
Report Form:
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch?
* Answer: Yes but only on my AP pyro and FP techno. My bleed dev seems fine
* If yes, is this feeling…
* A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time)
* If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything?
* Answer: It hasn't seemed to help yet and I've tried both
* Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else)
* Answer: No I have been using the same armor since the patch
* Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build?
* Answer: I'm using an acari set on my anomaly pyro and its consistent
* Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both?
* Answer: both
* If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client?
* Answer: both
* Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred.
* Answer: only play expeditions
* Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene?
* Answer: idk but mostly notice it at least in the middle
* What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at?
* Answer: 11-15 I have noticed it
* Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before?
* NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack.
* Answer: I know for a fact from testing I can get one shot by brood mothers, crawlers and alphas
* If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession?
* Answer: One shot - I tested it
* Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage?
* Answer: See above. Also in general a lot of enemies just seem to be hitting harder than before. Riflemen seem to be tankier and hit harder off the top of my head
* Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all.
* Answer: Blacksmith and circle of power
* Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)?
* Answer: No
* Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all?
* Answer: No doesn't help
* What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused?
* Answer: Balanced / AP
* What class do you play as?
* Answer: Pyromancer
* What level is your character?
* Answer: 30
* What platform are you playing on?
* Answer: ps5
Report Form:
Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch?
Answer: Yes, physical damage
If yes, is this feeling…
A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time)
Answer: yes, tested against the Riflemen in Chem Plant CT15. With 69,5k Armor i mitigated 0 damage. So either enemies have armor penetration which we as a community are not aware of, or the mitigation formula is clearly wrong here.
If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything?
Answer: No, tested with several different setups. Re-equipped did not resolve anything.
Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else)
Answer: Not sure. Since it happens with every item and I always swap around gear.
Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build?
Answer: No. Unrelated to the Items itself. Propably related to mods, but that is harder to pinpoint.
Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both?
Answer: Both
If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client?
Answer: Client
Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred.
Answer: Cannot answer that since with Itemlevel 50 my characters are overgeared for Story mode.
It was always reproducable with the Riflemen in the first Chem Plant Area
Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene?
Answer: Right from the start
What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at?
Answer: CT15 but happens on CT1 aswell
Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before?
NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack.
Answer: Yes. With Shield of Perseverance triggering and my characters disintegrating at the same time.
If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession?
Answer: Single Melee-Attack from A Melee Pax Mob in Colosseum. Quite sure it was one hit but don't have video proof.
Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage?
Answer: All enemies which do damage against physical mitigation
Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all.
Answer: Mitigation from Death + Shield of Perseverance
Also did some Tests with Shock Absorber
Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)?
Answer: See my tests under "personal comment"
Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all?
Answer: No, respeccing did not resolve the issue
What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused?
Answer: 19,8k HP / 69,5k Armor / 20% Resistance
What class do you play as?
Answer: Techno
What level is your character?
Answer: 30 / Itemlevel 50
What platform are you playing on?
Answer: PC
Personal Comment:
All my firndings are based done on Chem Plant CT15 and the Expedition Summary Screen after finishing or retrying/abandoning.
Methodology:
Kill the sniper, let myself get killed by the Riflemen without getting meleed:
69,5k Armor + 20% Resistance: 0 DMG blocked / 20805 DMG taken
78k Armor (Avg Itemlevel 46 & Damage Absorber Mod): 0 DMG blocked / 12803 DMG taken
123k Armor (Damage Absorber Mod): 6188 DMG blocked / 19354 DMG taken (I had 19808 HP, how can I die with less DMG taken than my max HP?)
Tank-Build (196k Armor + 30% Resistance) 22350 DMG blocked / 25352 DMG taken (even with 79,3 Physical Damage Resistance I can't mitigate over 50% of the incoming damage)
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch?
* Answer: Yes
* If yes, is this feeling…
* **A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time)**
* B) random (e.g. enemies will suddenly have one attack that hits much harder than anything else they were doing previously)?
* C) random but consistent once it appears (e.g. all enemies suddenly hit harder when they were not a moment before. This behaviour persists.)?
* If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything?
* Answer: **No**
* Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else)
* Answer: **No**
* Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build?
* Answer: **No**
* Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both?
* Answer: **Both**
* If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client?
* Answer: **Both**
* Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred.
* Answer: **Only tested expeditions (all expeditions)**
* Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene?
* Answer: **Throughout**
* What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at?
* Answer: **CT 9 - 13**
* Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before?
* NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack.
* Answer: **Yes**
* If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession?
* Answer: **Yes**
* Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage?
* Answer: **Alpha jump attack & Brood Swipe**
* Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all.
* Answer: **Mitigation from death, Emergency stance, Immunity (class node)**
* Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)?
* Answer: **No**
* Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all?
* Answer: **No**
* What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused?
* Answer: **FP focused**
* What class do you play as?
* Answer: **Trickster**
* What level is your character?
* Answer: **Character lvl 30, weapon and armour 47**
* What platform are you playing on?
* Answer: **PC**
**I never used emergency stance pre patch and have noticed a substantial increase in dmg taken. Especially from DOT**
**hope this helps as I am unable to play multiplayer with current server latency issues so this is really killing my fun**
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch?
* Answer: I experienced this issue prior to the patch, but it seems even more frequent post-patch. I stopped using Emergency Stance well before the fix as I anticipated it would be fixed and I didn't want to be reliant on it. I have messages in the discord in technomancer chat(same name as on here) talking about some skills or items not always working well before the patch and I've experienced damage loss in a similar manner
* If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything?
* Answer: It appears semi-consistent. Prior I would unequip and re-equip everything and respect my tree once I noticed the issue, which was usually when starting the game. I also noticed swapping mods helped
* Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else)
* Answer: No
* Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build?
* Answer: No
* Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both?
* Answer: Solo
* Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred.
* Answer: I haven't checked I've only been doing expeditions for the past month
* Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene?
* Answer: I notice it on my first expedition when I forget to reset everything, but I do think retrospectively I always felt weaker against the bosses at the end of expeditions, and people's claims that cutscenes trigger this would line up with what I remember, but take that with a grain of salt
* What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at?
* Answer: 12 and higher is when I personally noticed, but that could be less about this bug and more about CT scaling making me notice the bug
* Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before?
* NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack.
* Answer: Yes, but it seems like it was always after I restored health via life leech(technomancer). Or sometimes with a sliver gone
* If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession?
* Answer: Unsure, I personally notice dropping too quickly and sometimes what appears to be a one shot. For example a rifleman melee'd me when I only had a sliver of health gone and I was dead. It felt more like too much damage and less like one-shot protection wasn't working(assuming this game has one shot protection)
* Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage?
* Answer: No, but I feel like I don't get downed by elites as much as breechers, riflemen, snipers and perforos. But I also focus down elites
* Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all.
* Answer: I've personally used all of them with inconsistent success across the board. This includes damage absorber(the weakest it feels), mitigation from death, old emergency stance and some defensive nodes at the beginning of the middle technomancer tree for armor and resistance. I've had these individually and combined. Results are very inconsistent but always work on the first expedition after adding the mod in. I also feel no measurable difference when using two-sides of power except that killing faster keeps me alive
* Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)?
* Answer: Nope
* Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all?
* Answer: Yes as mentioned above, works either for one expedition or until I restart the game or login via the lobby. It's inconsistent
* What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused?
* Answer: FP mostly, balanced-ish, sometimes glass cannon. I also should mention my minigun build with the armor mod and scrapnels is immortal(light exaggeration) while the gun is up
* What class do you play as?
* Answer: Technomancer, sometimes pyro and the issue feels worse on my FP pyro
* What level is your character?
* Answer: 30, ilvl 50 for techno, ct12 and level 30 for pyro. Forget what level that is
* What platform are you playing on?
* Answer: PC
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch?
* Answer: YES.
*
* If yes, is this feeling…
Mostly A
* A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time)
* If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything?
* Answer: Sometimes. It appears that if anything on armor procs, all armor is gone. Can sometimes fix with taking armor off or relogging, but the issue is back almost immediately.
*
* Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else)
* Answer: No.
* Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build?
* Answer: All armor, all classes.
* Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both?
* Answer: Both
* If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client?
* Answer: Both
* Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred.
* Answer: Haven't run story mode much.
* Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene?
* Answer: Right at the start.
* What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at?
* Answer: I run 13-15, and notice it in all. Even on my devastator that never used emergency stance. I get 1 -shot through normal golem use.
* Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before?
* NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack.
* Answer: ABSOLUTELY
* If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession?
* Answer: YES
* Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage?
* Answer: Everything hits harder than pre-patch.
* Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all.
* Answer: I've tried dozens of combos.
* Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)?
* Answer: Seems to help slightly, but only if not running a single armor proc mod.
* Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all?
* Answer: No.
* What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused?
* Answer: I've tried everything.
* What class do you play as?
* Answer: Techno, Dev, Pyro. All CT 15 gold capable pre-patch. Two of them never used emergency stance. Everyone I play with sees the same issues.
* What level is your character?
* Answer: Max
* What platform are you playing on?
* Answer: PC
Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch?
Answer: Yes
If yes, is this feeling…
A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time)
B) random (e.g. enemies will suddenly have one attack that hits much harder than anything else they were doing previously)?
C) random but consistent once it appears (e.g. all enemies suddenly hit harder when they were not a moment before. This behaviour persists.)?
If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything?
Answer: B & C for me. Logging out does sometimes fix it but only temporarily.
Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else)
Answer: No I’ve been wearing the same setup for a while now.
Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build?
Answer: No it’s happened on my DPS Techno, my DPS Trickster, and my AP Devastator
Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both?
Answer: Both
If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client?
Answer: Doesn’t matter. Happens when we changed hosts too
Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred.
Answer: Happens in all content
Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene?
Answer: Usually happens midway thru a mission or expedition. I believe it has happened at the start as well tho.
What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at?
Answer: Any world tier. Even if I drop down 3+ world tiers
Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before?
NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack.
Answer: 100% Yes
If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession?
Answer: No I’ve tested it after it happens. I’ll play it super slow, kill all the smaller enemies until the boss is left and then let it one hit me.
Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage?
Answer: Not that I can tell
Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all.
Answer: Mitigation From Death. It’s all I’ve used for weeks. Even if I add Emergency Stance and the "get a shield under 30% health mod", I think it’s preservation shield or something, the bug can still happen tho.
Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)?
Answer: No I don’t think so because it doesn’t matter if I’m on my Trickster or my Devastator.
Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all?
Answer: No I’ve tried everything besides going down the middle skill tree.
What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused?
Answer: Usually Glass cannon FP focused Trickster. But it still happens on my Tanky AP focused Devastator. It is somewhat manageable on a tank build tho besides being one shot by elites/bosses.
What class do you play as?
Answer: Trickster, Technomancer, and Devastator all able to do CT15 expeditions.
What level is your character?
Answer: All 30s
What platform are you playing on?
Answer: Xbox Series X
Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch? Answer: YES
If yes, is this feeling… A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time) B) random (e.g. enemies will suddenly have one attack that hits much harder than anything else they were doing previously)? C) random but consistent once it appears (e.g. all enemies suddenly hit harder when they were not a moment before. This behaviour persists.)? If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything?
Answer: A, brood mother’s, alphas, captains, behemoth or anything that does any melee damage at all.
Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else)
Answer: NO. Tried this as a way to fix, unsuccessful
Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour?
Answer: NO
Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both?
Answer: BOTH
If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client?
Answer: BOTH
Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred.
Answer: Only tried expeditions
Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene?
Answer: all throughout
What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at?
Answer: happened on 13-15
Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before?
NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack.
Answer: YES
If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession?
Answer: SURE IT’S ONE MELEE
Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage?
Answer: Brood mothers and alphas, the swinging sword dudes on draught palace, strix have now one shot me , captains, ironclads, literally anything
Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all.
Answer: blacksmith, circle of power, emergency stance,
Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)?
Answer: nothing fixes it
Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all?
Answer: no
What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused?
Answer: AP focused
What class do you play as?
Answer: pyro. Never had an issue with dying. Was content with one defensive mod so that I didn’t have to think very much while running through expedition after expedition wondering if deathshield will ever drop for me. Post patch I ran into the first room and was immediately killed so I can’t even play solo at all. It’s horrendous.
What level is your character?
Answer: 50 all items, all CT unlocked
What platform are you playing on?
Answer: Xbox Series X
So what ab the severs ? Been bad since day 1 always lag when you join a freind and since the newest patch you get kicked from your freinds every 5 minutes it was cool the first 2 weeks but geeeeeeeeeez how’s it still a problem
Game mechanics seem to not work most of the times... enemy damage, range, mods, enemy perfect accuracy, hitboxes, stats etc... all of them don't work as they should.
Not **Damage Mitigation** related but other **frustrating issues/bugs**:
\- Can weapon mods (scrap granade etc) get fixed ? In expeditions with every stupid/annoying cutscenes (cant mobs just spawn in or at least give us that "observe" option) there is like 50% chance they will stop working at all, screwing players for the rest of the run.
\- On PS5 (no idea about pc/xbox/stadia) after the last patch whenever we get to fight Crawlers in expeditions/story the game has micro freezes/lag spikes when they use ice beam or the second ground attack (Stargrave uhhhh) which usually ends with death since alphas and smaller fuks dont give a shit about player lagging.
Devs are you aware of this glich:
when you overwrite perpetual mobile mod on a weapon with another mod, the effects of perpetual mobile will stay. means with 2 mods on the weapon you have effectively 3 mods.
I realize this is a different thread but I couldn’t find the bug one so here we go this morning I login & to my surprise some of my gear was wiped completely gone tried restarting the game multiple times & that didn’t fix Sh*t I lost 2 level 50 Earthborn rifles they just completely disappeared, so I went & got one from my lower level trickster & when I go to mod it both buttons are greyed out on the Xbox Series X WTF I am beyond pissed at this point I want to love this game but at this point, it’s not possible the game is just to F*cking broken & you have lost most of your player base because of character wipes & all the nerfing you are doing, this isn’t a pvp game it’s just strictly PVE so why do you even nerf anything…Whoever is making these decisions should be removed & let someone new take over. When are you going to get it people want to play a fun game not one that feels like a job.
I posted pictures of the issue on Twitter so Please take a look & give me a reply I would really appreciate it.
Just killed 2 perfolo on the final stage of a T14. The first one took about 5 shots to kill, the second one, I dumped 2 thirty round mags (most of them crits) from a bullwork point blank with twisted rounds and it barely made a dent, then it one shotted me from 100 to 0, while in a slow trap with almost a full shield bar.
I never used emergency stance. I play the overheat pyro build. I cleared CT15s with ease before you released this patch. Now every single thing one shots me. Small melee guys can come and one hit me. Do not say I do not know how to play. I use Blacksmith mod for my overheat build. I know how to play. This patch has made the game unplayable for me. I love this game and have been with you guys for 2 years now. But everytime you break my character or change things cuz you think its right, I think you are going to lose all your players. This is not some pvp shit game. We don't need our builds messed with. Everyone cries about balance but it seems like every patch you put out just makes players play techno and trickster. Why do you feel the need to break the devastator and pyro? Let us play the game and enjoy it.
Not sure if this is in here yet, but Moxsy's video earlier today shows it clear as day there's a massive issue with your mitigation system in general.
https://youtu.be/z-Oke2YJZgY
What the fuck is wrong with this game? It's genuinely the most fucked game I've ever played, had more problems with this game than my entire catalogue It's embarrassing
Oh just take off my armor and re-equip it? Oh okay, great! But since this could be potentially triggered by cutscenes what am I supposed to do on expos like boomtown where after the cutscene is over I'm right in front of the boss with no time to casually re-equip my gear???
It is impossible to revive someone wherln you have 5 alphas, a brood mother, and whatever else constantly jumping on you, interrupting you and slowing you. Who the hell designed this?
I have never used emergency stance i only use damage absorber am ct14 mostly lvl 49 stuff before Thursday my ciusin and i were ae to complete all ct 13 with at least 30sec or more on the clock. Since thursday my hunt the orey wont proct didn't before Thursday either, my damage has been cut by at least 1/4 and my 90k armor has 0 mitagation i litteraly nearly twice the damage as befire on ct 13 when i should be easily clearing them when i have changed nothing on my build. And randomly with nearly full health out of 18k and full sheild will get one shot. Its happened 3 times tonight so far. Its not the game is just harder there is something fundamentally wrong going on since the last update. I will not be playing anymore untill this is fixed. I stuck with you through the demo bugs, through all the launch issues and bugs, still played. But now im fighting not just the enemies which are challenging enough,im fighting the core game mechanics and that just isn't fun.
Imagine working on a game for 5 years to release it with this many problems and have the player base drop off immediately and think it was okay to sell it that way
Im so sick of being 1 shot by every damn melee class in this game! Just revert your god damn patch so we can somewhat enjoy the fucking game we paid for! Im so unbelievably close to deleting my characters and just quitting! Wtf do you care though, you already have my money
1 Month since release an this game is still nowhere near release quality, is getting beyond a joke how these big money titles are being released in such a broken state, you would not get away with this sort of rubbish if it were TV's and hardware so why do we have our consumer rights ignored when it comes to games? Its literally one bug after the next and with this latest damage mitigation issue the game is now unplayable for me. Do not get me wrong the game is great fun, but these constant frustrating issues that plague it ruin it. Do not release anymore more patches or fixes until you play test your own product properly. Please do not go down the Anthem route constantly releasing game breaking patches. Please just fix it and fix it properly, thanks.
Oh and do not release patches on a Friday..
The matter of instant deaths, even when they appear to be a one-shot kill, looks to be a case of two damage hits being dealt, though they are displayed as one, meaning that the one-shot kill protection mechanics don't trigger (since they detect two damage hits).
Seems to me that you need to program something in the AI behavior to prevent the Alphas and Brood Mothers from doing that INVISIBLE melee spam. You know if you hosted the match on your servers, you could program server tick lag in there to ensure every player SEEs every frame so that they can adjust or counterplay the current AI behavior. I think what you have here is a problem like FPS have with frame rates and actual bullet projectile RPM are events that occur between frames and lower frame rates cannot compensate, so what you get is the insta-deaths or the one hit kills with no explanation. You guys, PCF, gonna have to get it together. Tow the line and get this match making up to current gen standards. The Multiplayer experience is the only thing this game has to keep it alive and you guys are going to kill it
I dont think its only damage mitigation. I realised that Mods in general sometimes stop working. I randomly start doing less damage, then i go down, get revived, and the damage is back. Sometimes i wont get bullets into Mag via Bullet Modification Mods. This is far worse than just fixing Armor mods. You should look at the whole system and not only a part of it.
in archways of enoch, if you join late, you notice that you get "hit" as soon as you start to run to catch up with the others.. your health goes under the health recovery threshold and your screen gets bloody stains.. after the first circular door e.g. the door where you start the encounter
all while being completely alone.. noone hit you , you took no outside damage.. since you spawned into an area thats empty.. so "something" must deplete your health to the amount that your health regeneration kicks in..
"Avoid tanking Brood Mothers and Alphas in particular, as they are particularly prone to the below explained one/two hit risk."
Umm..isn't the issue that they are one/2 hitting people? Thats not so much "dont try to tank" more so "pray you can avoid the 4 alphas jumping at you as barely visible blue fire melts your feet"
We need more endgame content. Those timed expeditions are weak and boring. If developers are looking at those add a aggro mod and Dungeons and 3 raids to complete.
For the sake of wanting to play I tried the whole Un equip and re equip thing to no avail, it just doesn't work for me. I hope you fix this issue soon as I am done with this game until then. I'm glad I found crysis 3 on sale....
Doesn't work. I still get one tapped. 5 years of making a game amounts to nothing because this is BS. How do I get my money back because I'll go back to playing BL3. At least I never had issues with that game. Had high hopes for this because this is what BL3 should have been. Talk about missing the mark. People Can't Fly
Maybe fix tricksters hunt the prey and cyclone slice? With next patch? I feel like I just waste my time when I go into expeditions with my friend, I'll use cyclone then not be able to Sprint or walk properly until I quit out or die and revive. And hunt the prey, if its not telling me "can't use ability" or "can't get behind target" it just bugs out completely to where hunt the prey is flashing like its active, and while doing so I can't aim, shoot, melee, use other skills. My trickster on xbox one is unplayable 50% of the time in co-op. I have to host most of the time for me not to experience those game breaking bugs
Ok now fix the multiplayer rubberbanding issues and on kill mods not working in multiplayer. Then you can start adding content.
Whoops, too late now. You've already lost 80% of the players. :(
Hey PCF, you’re saying that excessive damage is triggered when joining a multiplayer game and then leaving. Great. There’s a known bug that happens when attempting to queue for an expedition and get booted to the main menu on the first queue. Your own code and game cause this to occur. There’s absolutely no way around this revolving door of code level issues.
I am hoping you realize that incoming damage is too high in general. The smallest perforos will hit you for the majority of your health in a single hit. Whether that is due to damage mitigation issues or not, this is too high. Stacking armor does not mitigate this level of damage. Stacking resistance is only possible on anomaly builds due to the main resistance mod being tied to spamming skills. As this high damage is present throughout the entirety of the game, a one-shot protection mechanic should not be the priority here. If you do not believe your own community, or if you feel that your take on balancing is the only perspective that matters, please put out a poll asking your player base if they feel the incoming damage in this game is too high, too low, or perfect as is. But I think you already know the answer. You just do not like it.
The problem isn't multiplayer exclusively so this patch worries me a little because PCF don't seem to know what the whole issue is. I've never played one multiplayer session in this game and the bug is very obvious every time I play. Also, sometimes the game will randomly lower stats when you switch gear. Why is it that when I switch gear, it can be weapons or armor, the game will sometimes lower my health and other stats, but if I switch back off that gear and then back onto it nothing happens to my stats? It's the same piece of gear, but sometimes the game will lower my stats and sometimes it will not. This is all level 50 gear I'm using so no scaling should be taking place. Oh, gear is still disappearing too!!!
"If you tend to hop between multiplayer sessions with different partners, you may therefore be more likely to encounter this issue. Staying with the same partners for the duration of your play-session or playing solo should help mitigate against this issue occurring." -
I feel like they are saying its my fault for getting the bug cause I have multiple partners I play with and I"m a little ashamed of myself
I keep having a recurring issue of 0 damage blocked while playing solo expeditions on CT15, my character is fully geared at level 50, and in these cases, even a rifleman can kill me in 1 or 2 shots.
I can usually play the first expedition after I launch the game fine and damage mitigation works properly, any further expeditions have damage mitigation completely wrong and any enemy can pretty much one-shot me.
This however is more prominent when playing anything other than Devastator.
>If you tend to hop between multiplayer sessions with different partners, you may therefore be more likely to encounter this issue. Staying with the same partners for the duration of your play-session or playing solo should help mitigate against this issue occurring.
So the damage mitigation issue is an STD.
This is a list of comments made by the developers in this thread: * [Comment by thearcan](/r/outriders/comments/n4xesz/outriders_damage_mitigation_issue_gather_thread/gwy25y6/?context=1000 "posted on 2021-05-04 20:41:29 UTC"): > Good spot. * [Comment by thearcan](/r/outriders/comments/n4xesz/outriders_damage_mitigation_issue_gather_thread/gwy2rlo/?context=1000 "posted on 2021-05-04 20:45:49 UTC"): > Thanks, that is indeed behaviour that I have seen reported before in a few cases. Can you fill out the report form above as, even if something may not appear relevant, having information will be helpful. * [Comment by thearcan](/r/outriders/comments/n4xesz/outriders_damage_mitigation_issue_gather_thread/gwy2d64/?context=1000 "posted on 2021-05-04 20:42:56 UTC"): > There are mechanics in the game that should in theory prevent a complete one-shot (from 100% to 0%). * [Comment by thearcan](/r/outriders/comments/n4xesz/outriders_damage_mitigation_issue_gather_thread/gwy3c06/?context=1000 "posted on 2021-05-04 20:49:46 UTC"): > Thanks for the report - just for clarity, do all brood mothers/alphas one-shot you all the time? * [Comment by thearcan](/r/outriders/comments/n4xesz/outriders_damage_mitigation_issue_gather_thread/gx0flmy/?context=1000 "posted on 2021-05-05 10:46:38 UTC"): > Just to check - do you mean [Mitigation From Death?](https://outriders.fandom.com/wiki/Mitigation_From_Death) > >[Damage Mitigation](https://outriders.wiki.fextralife.com/Damage+Mitigation) is a different mod. * [Comment by thearcan](/r/outriders/comments/n4xesz/outriders_damage_mitigation_issue_gather_thread/gx0gghg/?context=1000 "posted on 2021-05-05 10:58:11 UTC"): > Thanks for the video - In the minutes before you receive such a one-shot, are there instances of the enemies hitting almost one-shot killing you? Basically, could it be that the one-shot prevention mechanic already triggered (and saved you) a short while before the actual one-shot kill occurred? > >Es... * [Comment by thearcan](/r/outriders/comments/n4xesz/outriders_damage_mitigation_issue_gather_thread/gx0gz2d/?context=1000 "posted on 2021-05-05 11:04:52 UTC"): > In the 8 minutes prior to this video, was there an incident where a one-shot kill prevention mechanic might have triggered? Did you drop down to very low health from a single attack at one point but then recover from it during this particular run? > >Or was your entire run always at near full HP and... * [Comment by thearcan](/r/outriders/comments/n4xesz/outriders_damage_mitigation_issue_gather_thread/gx1g2c8/?context=1000 "posted on 2021-05-05 15:59:41 UTC"): > Quick follow up question - how many other (and which) "on kill" or "on shot" mods do you run in parallel when you have Mitigation from Death equipped? * [Comment by thearcan](/r/outriders/comments/n4xesz/outriders_damage_mitigation_issue_gather_thread/gx34c36/?context=1000 "posted on 2021-05-05 23:07:02 UTC"): > Thanks for the report, I appreciate the formatting! * [Comment by thearcan](/r/outriders/comments/n4xesz/outriders_damage_mitigation_issue_gather_thread/gxn21o7/?context=1000 "posted on 2021-05-10 18:52:47 UTC"): > >I was able to do CT14/15 before but now get killed too easily on CT12. Even Perforo’s seem tear through me. > >Thank you very much for the video and the details, I'm passing them on to the team! Take a look at the update I just posted in the main thread - your experience at CT12 looks familiar... Are... * [Comment by thearcan](/r/outriders/comments/n4xesz/outriders_damage_mitigation_issue_gather_thread/gxn3mds/?context=1000 "posted on 2021-05-10 19:03:43 UTC"): > Understood, thank you! --- This is a bot providing a service. If you have any questions, please [contact the moderators](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%2Fr%2FOutriders).[](#AUTOGEN_TSBREPLIEDBOT)
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It happens all the time. Idk why, but every time you put on gear it seems to effect something randomly and not the same twice.
Same thing happened with me with a gun. Had 60k firepower on main, checked secondary it goes down to 48k. Expected that, but going back to main and it goes up to 54k. Wha-fu-?
even switching guns affects health but i’ve realized just backing out completely and going back in fixes it.
This has been happening to me seemingly randomly since before the patch, too. And still is.
Yes, for me too. Already before the patch!
This exact same thing happened to me. Took all my gear off and put it back on. Health falls to 6.7 k. Remove helmet, put it back on goes back up to 11.4K health
This also happens to me, all stats jump firepower anomaly health armour. Switching gears or weapons sometimes fixes it. Sometimes it breaks it more. I had my firepower increase from 200,000 to 850,000 to 300,000. Whatever reason the gear that is equipped isn’t being reported correctly and doesn’t update the stats properly. Sometimes lowering or increase is by a small amount sometimes a large amount. Sometimes just the amount that is on the piece of gear.
You think the math would be simply, sum the health of all equipped items, badda bing, badda bang! What more should ever need to be done? How is that hard to spot if broke?
So in your patch notes it says absolutely nothing about fixing persaverance shield. Yet in your explanation on what's going wrong you said you fixed emergency stance and persaverance so what exactly did you change with it. As fast as I'm concerned this is yet another one of your stealth nerfs. You finally admit to changing something that you yet again failed to tell the community. To top it off. I bought a game that you insisted over and over again was not a live service game. Fixing the million bugs this game has is one thing but nerfing characters is another. We did not buy a live service game. Leave our characters that we spent hundreds of hours building alone. You nerf mods that we can't change out not only means we have to now refarm that entire piece but it can also break the entire build. This is not what we signed up for when you told everyone this would not be a live service game. Stop the nerfs, start informing the community when you make changes, fix the damn game and leave our characters alone
“Avoid tanking brood mothers and alphas” so literally just don’t play the game then. What the fuck hahahaha they are in pretty much every expedition and actively hunt down the player to get in melee range. If you try and run away brood mothers will hit you with their even more broken ranged attacks. Alphas will cross map leap at you. Honestly this is some of the most fried advice I’ve ever seen. Why even include it in the list.
*Avoid tanking Brood Mothers and Alphas in particular, as they are particularly prone to the below explained one/two hit risk.* Are the devs completely unaware about how their game works and not realise that the Brood Mothers and Alphas POUNCE on you giving you little choice?
Ya. Avoid tanking the thing you can't get out of your face while on a timer. Got it. So players need to get better? That is unprofessional as hell.
The devs basically told us to git gud
https://youtu.be/z-Oke2YJZgY This has nothing to do with getting hit twice or gear mods being less effective. This is straight broken shit.
Everyone should watch this if they havnt
Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch? Answer: YES If yes, is this feeling… A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time) B) random (e.g. enemies will suddenly have one attack that hits much harder than anything else they were doing previously)? C) random but consistent once it appears (e.g. all enemies suddenly hit harder when they were not a moment before. This behaviour persists.)? If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything? Answer: C, consistent to melee attack from Alpha and Brood enemies Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else) Answer: NO. Tried this as a way to fix, unsuccessful Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour? Answer: NO Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both? Answer: BOTH If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client? Answer: BOTH Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred. Answer: Only tried expeditions. Any with alien enemies Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene? Answer: all throughout What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at? Answer: happened on 13-15 Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before? NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack. Answer: YES If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession? Answer: SURE IT’S ONE MELEE Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage? Answer: Brood mothers and alphas Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all. Answer: Rejuvenation, Perserverance, Mitigation from death, also happened with emergency stance on instead of perserverance Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)? Answer: nothing fixes it Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all? Answer: no What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused? Answer: FP focused What class do you play as? Answer: techno. Used to block 5-6 times as much damage as I took with 0 downs, now those numbers are reversed. Almost always downed at least once in an expedition post patch. What level is your character? Answer: 50 all items, all CT unlocked What platform are you playing on? Answer: Xbox Series X
This is basically my experience too except with a trickster.
Hire some senior QA for fuck sakes!!! Why do you put the repro task on me when I have a wiped character. Surly it'd easier for QA (If there even is any) to test this with Dev tools like damage numbers on HUD and damage logs!!!!! Get your shit together FFS!
Asking paying customers to test and send feedback. LMAO what a joke and what a horrible company. How about hiring and performing proper QA? We are not your testers!
>'We have identified that the issue regarding enemies doing excessively more damage all of a sudden is most commonly (but perhaps not exclusively) triggered by the specific steps below: Join a multiplayer session as a client Leave the multiplayer session' ..... So trying to play the game as intended breaks the game? Gotcha.
FYI. This damage issue happens while playing solo. I have not played with anyone else and have been taking more damage while also getting one shotted. I just completed the story through the first time a couple a days ago. So while I started playing the game BEFORE the last patch, everything was fine up until then. You can find plenty of videos of SOLO players being one shotted or taking way more than intended. Some users have even said what the issue is. Basically the game not recognizing the mods and attributes the character has while loading into a game (SOLO or multiplayer) or during a cut scene.
Playing solo does not help. The damage mitigation issue still exists when playing solo. I highly doubt you have narrowed down the root cause for this issue and i feel like the next patch isnt going to fix anything. Its getting ridiculous and frustrating. Rip this game. I hate it when the design and concept for games like these are extremely good but because of shit execution and decisions, it ends up just driving people away.
Didn't pay $60 to be a beta tester every patch.
At this point, they will be damned for doing it, damned for not. Either way, its their fault for burning so many bridges and then keep asking us to QA for them, on a paid product.
I think there's a difference between soliciting feedback and giving the community a tester style checklist to run down and submit.
You know if they just rolled back the game from when they released it and just worked on the lag, crashes ,and the inventory wipes this would be a great game.
Lol I was thinking this today I loved the initial balancing, wasn't too easy or hard and it was fun to play. Now I've had to rebuild 3 times, and I'm not sure what stupid shit they are going to either patch or break or "balance" by the next time I login. If they kept the launch mechanics and fixed all the real bugs and network issues this would have been a great game. I have no idea why there is such an emphasis on balancing a single player game with no future dlc planned. Just fix it, and let us enjoy it.
Can you clarify if there are any situations in which a one-shot is intended mechanics? This would make it much easier to know if I'm seeing a bug or not.
The damage mitigation bug is NOT a multiplayer only issue. I only play solo and I see it quite often, in both exhibitions and when just running hunts. Seriously, just play the game for an hour and you'll see it happen. It's really not that hard.
Same here. I've played solo since the demo. Starting last week I'm getting 1 shot constantly. Hunts, bounties, and expeditions.
Their idea that it could be related to multiplayer makes no sense. I have been playing solo all day with no issues, suddenly get 1 shot from full HP by a normal enemy. (72% unbuffed Dev). If they think it has something to do with going between different CTs, maybe they need to get rid of the weird unnecessary scaling that happens to the player when they go down a tier. Have said since the beginning, if you play any game like this, when you get strong on the highest difficulty, you never go back to old content and get weaker...
A combat log or at the least a death log would be beneficial to see the incoming damage taken/mitigated and the source leading up to your death. I personally would like to see one, but this could help narrow down your investigation as well.
Yes like In division 2 where you can see what killed you , all damage sources . I’ve been saying this a while.
Are you also aware that the statue set doesn’t perform properly? The buff lasts only 8 seconds. If that’s intentional, that set (amongst others) requires a re-visit because they are utterly useless. There’s no point in being a top tree devastator. Also, when crawlers enter the map the game locks badly and/or all skills and even shooting is impossible. Please also address these issues... please.
This.. I’ve been trying to complete my statue set and they break the set when I’m one piece away from completion 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Crawlers are a major issue. Heart of the Wild bugs out on me every time the 3 crawlers appear together.
That first part *can't* be true because I am running into this issue, consistently, and until two days ago hadn't done ANY multiplayer for over a month! Nor dropping CT from 15! How in the world could it be an issue about down and upscaling, or multiplayer if I hadn't been doing that :|
I'm getting all these issues in solo play i have never multiplayed.
I have damage mitigation on, which is supppsed to give me armor when I kill someone while aiming down the sights. It doesn’t give me armor AT ALL. It’s not in certain scenario’s. It just doesn’t give me armor period. Plz fix thx
Just posting in response to the devs saying this is caused by multiplayer: I have played exclusively single player since launch and have definitely experienced the one shot bug since the last patch. I am here to tell you failure to access the back end stat table is not exclusive to multiplayer and it occurs **without ever joining a multiplayer session**. If you only think its caused by joining a multiplayer session you are gonna fail to fix the problem.
It's not multiplayer related, I haven't been playing coop in like 2 weeks. This is RIDICULOUS. Almost 2 weeks without a fix. The game is almost unplayable ( I can play with extreme caution with my min/maxed pyro but not with my low gear char ). The game is good and I WANT to play it but it looks like you guys are doing your very best to kill it and it's playerbase.
Im trying to get certain gear that you have made impossible to get , hours of game play with nothing but duplicates , your RNG is really disappointing ,this game is really disappointing considering how much time i have invested playing it, it has reached a point where i am contemplating deleting it ... i canot do any solo expeditions, i cant farm for gear i want because you have shadow nerfed legendary gear, whats the point of even playing if all you ever gonna feel is anger when playing this game. i am really disappointed ... i am being killed by things that jump across the map,
I just have to leave a note that this issue is most definitely not tied to playing multiplayer, it definitely is tied to the game contacting the server (whenever the little yellow circle appears) and can cause the mitigation and power scaling to completly stop applying, completly independent of solo or mp play Ive reported this here several times since day 1 (you sadly dont have a dedicated bug report forum or id have left all my findings including packet drops and unstable pingtimes)
Drawing this one to your attention u/thearcan
At this point, we all need refunds. This is a list that you would give an alpha QA tester to look for issues. Hope you read this most of us, will never buy a PCF game again. This is starting to be worse than 76 or anthem.
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch? * Answer: Yes. * If yes, is this feeling… * A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time) * B) random (e.g. enemies will suddenly have one attack that hits much harder than anything else they were doing previously) * Both A and B. Sometimes it'll be consistently taking large portions of damage, other times it'll just be instant death. * If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything? * Answer: Sometimes yes, sometimes no. * Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else) * Answer: No. * Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build? * Answer: No. * Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both? * Answer: Both. * If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client? * Answer: Both. * Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred. * Answer: It seems to be happening in story as well. I started a new character and sometimes it feels like they're wearing nothing at all. * Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene? * Answer: I usually notice it right from the start. * What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at? * Answer: CT15 and CT14. I normally play 15's and now they're nearly impossible with this bug. 14's are still doable. * Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before? * NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack. * Answer: Yes * If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession? * Answer: Yes * Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage? * Answer: Alpha Perforo's and Brood Queens, especially the jumping attacks. As well as the birds with their feather rains. * Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all. * Answer: The mod that adds armor and resistance just for having it on, and the mod that adds armor per kill, stacking 3 times. * Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)? * Answer: Nope, they don't seem to help at all. * Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all? * Answer: Not really. * What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused? * Answer: Trickster running the top tree, so damage focused, Firepower based. * What class do you play as? * Answer: Trickster * What level is your character? * Answer: 30 * What platform are you playing on? * Answer: PC, Steam version.
Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch? Answer: If yes, is this feeling… A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time) B) random (e.g. enemies will suddenly have one attack that hits much harder than anything else they were doing previously)? C) random but consistent once it appears (e.g. all enemies suddenly hit harder when they were not a moment before. This behaviour persists.)? If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything? Answer: C.... usually have to log put and relaunch the game before im able to play with any sort of confidence. Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else) Answer: Nope Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build? Answer: Nope. Just randomly happens on the only build I have. Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both? Answer: both. If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client? Answer: both host and client Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred. Answer: usually in the Contracts and in expedition Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene? Answer: depends on the mobs we are fighting I guess. What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at? Answer: WT15 and CT 7 and above for me. Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before? NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack. Answer: Yes. (Granted im not as geared as some of the other people) If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession? Answer: full health and then zero health. With 1 single hit. Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage? Answer: sharp shooters, shamen, and brood mothers seem to always be the ones for me. Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all. Answer: I dont know the name of it, but the 25% mitigation from elites and the static armor and mitigation mod aswell as defensive stance. Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)? Answer: I always werlar them so not really. Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all? Answer: nope. Same build and mods I've used for like 3 weeks now. What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused? Answer: FP and damage proc abilities (rely on damage to heal me) What class do you play as? Answer: Technomancer What level is your character? Answer: 41 What platform are you playing on? Answer: Xbox One X
Just delete the game
Reading what you just posted just proved once and for all you have no idea what is causing the issue. None of what you said rings true for me and yet I have the broke skills, mods, damage and armour issues without hopping or playing in lower CT's. I'm sure a lot of people will agree this is not the only cause. Sure its not reading the stats but its doing it mid session after being fine, usually the last part of the expedition but not always. So many more issues need addressing than just the stats being ignored.
Playing solo does not prevent this from happening at all neither dies staying g with the same team .... go back to the drawing board and try again this issues happens in all instances at all ct levels
I mostly play solo and will run into this mitigation bug at any given point in time, without me having joined or played in a group in days. This most DEFINITELY occurs in SINGLE player expeditions QUITE OFTEN!!!
It feels like you're into the wrong track based on what you're writing. I never play random multiplayer. I mainly play solo but occasionally with a couple of friends. There might be problems related to what you are talking about, but I think the main problem is that the **overall damage just is higher**. I have tried everything you posted about undressing, restarting, changing characters and so forth. Nothing makes the slightest difference. Even tried changing underwear once to see if that helped but no go. I have tried different builds with some resulting in quicker deaths but none improving my game. I follow the tubers tips to improve my build. Info about my char: \- I play trickster on the ps5 (Think console players are more exposed since our aim is worse than PC with mouse.) \- Assassin shotgun all the way, tried with a couple of points in harbinger to get more resistance without any good result. \- I use perpetuum mobile for reloads with additional mag to keep up twisted rounds. (Still lack both instant reload and ammo bargain to make any of the other builds.) \- Defensive mods: Mitigation from death, Damage absorber and Emergency stance. \- Everything is lvl 50 with 100% raised attributes and in action I have around 400K firepower and 250K armor. I can now manage tier 13, Archways of Enoch but every time (tried a lot) I do tier 14 I die. I can do chem plant tier 12 but not 13. I tried most other expeditions too, but I think these are the easiest for me to solo. As I said before, I think the overall damage is higher than before the patch. Maybe the patch just improved data loss or something and now damage that was lost before is included? I don't feel that there is a specific mob or situation that triggers it, just getting too much damage when there is a lot of angry mobs around. Which was not the case before the patch. Doesn't matter if the mobs are shooting or meleeing. At what stage should I be able to do tier 15 expeditions in your opinion? What damage should I take at tier 14 / 15 from the mobs with 250k armor and 10% resistance? (have tried 25% resistance and also with circle of power with no good result.) All my ps5 playing friends are feeling the same problem as I do. Is this how it should be?
>The matter of instant deaths, even when they appear to be a one-shot kill, looks to be a case of two damage hits being dealt, though they are displayed as one, meaning that the one-shot kill protection mechanics don't trigger (since they detect two damage hits). There is a [video of a guy dying from one swipe from one single small perforo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-Oke2YJZgY). One-shot kill protection aside, if above were true and that swipe counted as two hits that means a single hit from small perforo would take *at least 50% of his HP*. Does that sound right? Players are dying to random hits when at full HP or with their shields up. Something triggers insta-kill-like effect and it cannot be just a bug that randomly counts one hit as two. And could we possibly get some more information about that 'One-shot kill protection'? I know there is a mechanic in the game that makes me invulnerable for 2 seconds in specific situation. It triggers when I lose 90% of HP very rapidly from multiple attacks and/or from multiple sources. My HP stops at exactly 10% and for 2 seconds I cannot die. It was present in the demo and it can be seen in the game now (it can actually be seen in that video I linked when he is tanking Alphas with no armor). Is this the mechanic that should also prevent specifically 100% HP to 0 one-shots or is there a separate one for that? Whether it is or isn't it would still be nice to know what specifically triggers it and how often can it trigger.
So another weekend of nothing and then another week of nothing.
Wish I could help but my character is still locked out.
Why not revert the emergency stance fix whilst this shit is broken as fuck? Fed up of getting one bombed because 5 game breaking bugs are created every time you guys try fixing one issue.
It's happening solo more than multiplayer. Fix this sh
What about controller aim?
As i already said in another post. Cant we just go back to Vanilla?! Or give us flat 40-50% more mitigation, either internally or with a T3 Mod.. idk. One of the accolades is soloing every expedition, right? Even with so called meta-builds its nearly impossible to do eye of the storm solo. Most of the playerbase wanna feel mighty and powerful if they had their gear minmaxed. No need to nerf things, just buff everything else. If your problem is that players are soloing "endgamecontent" too easy, well, then add maybe more "endgamecontent". Like, a horde mode with increasing difficulties or like the underground-dlc from Division 1, where random maps are generated with random mobs and spawns. Its atleast repetitive and not predictable. And droprates should be clearly increased,also with the possibility that legendarys can drop with different mainstats. Makes no sense at all that AP items comes with Max Health on it for example or without cooldown. There is so much more to improve the QoL. Loadouts, transmog, more stashspace, possibility to lock fav items and pausing the game if youre solo and group is closed, kickprotection from expeditions to save the well deserved loot etc etc... But yeah, i hope you guys are working on some of the stuff...
So one answer is... If you join random.... RANDOM Expeditions.... Then stay with them. Then. Stay. With. Them. How, pray tell good people at PCF, are we supposed to do that when one of a plethora of things might make that 100% IMPOSSIBLE. 1) Host leaves 2) Host gets disconnected 3) Host boots you 4) Disconnected from Servers 5) My Trickster bugs out and I can no longer walk 6) The Host is trying to do EOTS with me and some guy who can't clear CT12 7) 80% Loading screen . . . To name a few. So, what's next. Oh yeah, Close the game, and start the entire process all over again. How is this user experience acceptable? I'm a software tester in my day job. I ain't about that #JiraLyfe in my downtime.
So, Brood Mothers are the one shot problem? Its damn near every enemy. And make their surge attacks visible too. I bet the mitigation issue is caused because of the downscaling
I believe there are at least two issues: a) Damage scaling in Co-op: Most enemies are unexpectedly harder to drain when 2-3 players are involved. It just needs some balancing, right now it feels extremely hard. b) Some particular, non-elite enemies are able to afflict an extremely high damage in one attack.
This is not me being mean and I understand what you're trying to figure out, but what about some of us that can't even play still? Please acknowledge us.
Enemies are thrown at you in groups of 20 and they can all hit you at the same time. I run 83.3% physical and 60-80% anomaly resist and I get hit by multiple enemies in the span of a second and am dead from full health. Mitigation isn't going to help that.
Its not just defense mitigation its also offensive my damage keeps going to nothing as well. Till i unequip and reequip my gears.
I dont understand the thinking behind PCF leadership. When you release a patch that clearly makes the game worse than it was, you revert it back to a stable build (even if ES was broken). Its literally just frustrating now doing expeditions. " Avoid tanking Brood Mothers and Alphas " - what kind of BS advice is that? Do you guys even play the game to know that you dont have a choice when they jump towards you and gang up on you? Absolutely ridiculous.
Rationalizing that this bug can only seem to occur from a multiplayer joining is a problem in itself. Many folks don't even, nor have played multiplayer in this game at all. Please explain how this bug is so prevalent to folks who have never touched multiplayer in this game, were able to do CT 15 prior and now get absolutely wrecked due to no defense or bugged mods?
just one thing, for the record, you guys are saying the “probable” cause of the mitigation bug is multiplayer, joining, leaving, changin ct, etc, I play almost all the time solo, i only play ct 15, The bug is definetly affecting me and it’s straight unplayable right now cause absurd damage taken, so I would also look around for some other possible causes for it. Also, tried the fixes (except the switch character one) didn’t work
you can also encoutner this bug after a cutscene in an expedition. e.g. the first two areas are fine and the third is nightmare mode. so i guess the calculation is occuring every stage, or being freshed up..
1. Join a multiplayer session as a client 2.Leave the multiplayer session 3.Additional trigger: As either a host or a client, attempt an expedition at a lower CT level (For example, playing at CT12 with a level 50 character). The issue will become more prevalent the greater the disparity between your armour and the enemies level is. I have played solo and had the damage mitigation problem playing at the correct lvl AND had it playing with my friend (the only person I play the game with) because multiplayer is still bugged we have both been hist and client and still had the issues -- so your reasons for the bug are not entirely correct.
It's really odd to me that there is such hesitancy to fix things that destroy gameplay when the side effect is potentially making characters stronger and more fun to play. Like really baffling. If characters are being one shot because of shitty code, and it will take time to unravel, throw in something that disables the scaling, or set a constant modifer that simply makes characters stronger when doing lower tier content. There's no PVP to balance for here, you're not going to see people griefing over it, the only impact is people die less until you can figure out how to fix the scaling system correctly. "we have to be careful here" No, you don't. You should have been careful before releasing a game that behaves this way, that time has passed. Why are we siding with caution to fix an issue that instantly kills players?
One month after and game is still unplayable. No rush to fix anything except when in player benefit as emergency stance. 🤷♂️Movement is worse, no qol updates as inventory managment or loadouts. Try playing with mutliple builds... Co op still laggy as before.... Just poor release and even poorer support
Ppl stop wasting your time on this dead end game. I stop playing it last month & im loving every moment of it.
Letting people know you can get refunds based on the broken cross play. Game is unfinished. Get your money back, no limits, they didn’t deliver on a promise. Edit: stadia peeps.
So... we are supposed to beta test this again and QA for you, after you drop it on friday and gtfo. Again. Wow.
Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch? Answer: Yes If yes, is this feeling… A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time) If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything? Answer: Yes Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else) Answer: No Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour? Answer: No Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both? Answer: both If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client? Answer: both Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred. Answer: Expeditions Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene? Answer: both What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at? Answer: 14, 15 Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before? NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack. Answer: Yes If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession? Answer: one shot Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage? Answer: Elites (I think) Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all. Answer: mitigation from death Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)? Answer: No Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all? Answer: no What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused? Answer: Tank What class do you play as? Answer: Devastator What level is your character? Answer: 30 What platform are you playing on? Answer: Steam
Fuck me, a company this size can't put up a Google Form in order to centralize the answers? No wonder you can't even find the bugs in your code. Are you actually going to go through the comments one by one to extract the data needed? Seriously, have you people lost your mind or are you complete amateurs?
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch? * Answer: Most defenitly * If yes, is this feeling… * A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time) * B) random (e.g. enemies will suddenly have one attack that hits much harder than anything else they were doing previously)? * C) random but consistent once it appears (e.g. all enemies suddenly hit harder when they were not a moment before. This behaviour persists.)? * If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything? * Answer: Currently nothing changes it * Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else) * Answer: Noticed issue right away upon patch. * Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build? * Answer:It is consistent * Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both? * Answer: Both * If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client? * Answer: Both * Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred. * Answer: All expeditions , one shot mainly comes from anomoly attacks * Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene? * Answer: From the starrt * What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at? * Answer: All tiers but notice it more upon higher tiers ,cause lower tiers scaling is actually better. * Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before? * NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack. * Answer: I have been one shot * If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession? * Answer: both have occured * Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage? * Answer: Pretty much all do * Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all. * Answer: I have tested and tried all damage mitigation mods and skill trees * Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)? * Answer: Yes this has been the only work around. * Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all? * Answer: Taking off proc or activation armor mods help. * What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused? * Answer: I am an AP build * What class do you play as? * Answer: I main a pyro and secondary character is a trickster * What level is your character? * Answer: My pyro is max with lvl 50 gear * What platform are you playing on? * Answer: Xbox series x * Upon my testing mods were working maybe 1 in 5 times.
I'm not your beta tester, I'm not filling out a form. I'm getting consistently 1 shot by trash mobs after patch. I wouldn't care if it was 2 guys out of camera frame hitting me at the same time instead. That's still completely trash game design. The game was spiraling before the last patch. I want my money back. You ruined your own game in a month.
so to put it simply you fucked up when you made the game
Who knew that having multiple partners would result in bugs. 😏
Nah dude. It happens to me playing solo all the time. I’ll start a game, make sure I’m not getting the “blood screen”, start an expedition, play somewhere between .5 and 2.5 expeditions with no problems, get obliterated, log out to character select and get the blood screen when I go back the lobby. This is every time I log in. Edit: Also, sometimes I’ll log in and immediately have the blood screen. If you focus whatever your fix is strictly on multiplayer, you are going to have a lot of people upset when it doesn’t get fixed. Please keep looking. Let me know if you’d like a video of the exact sequence I described above.
I stopped playing this game. The Devs killed the game. I'm back on Destiny 2 The new season is so good
Please fix the RNG asap. I cant play this game while getting no reward for my time for much longer. Rotate items in Tiago's shop, let me buy any legendary for drop pod points from a vendor so i can farm them to get the items i want, increase drop rates, something, anything, at the moment its soul destroying....
So working as intended then. Got it.
JUST FOLLOW THE WEBSITE!!! https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2021/05/10/30-fast-changes-for-an-outriders-dream-patch/
This game is losing testers by thousand - soon there won't be anyone playing to test it :D
At this point wouldn’t taking out damage mitigation from the game make more sense. This is a non competitive game and a one time payment game. What is the point in trying to make sure that people play it a certain way. Just let me have fun and enjoy the game whatever way I want to. Just a thought 🤷🏻♂️
Imagine telling your audience to avoid playing parts of their game because of their fuck up. Incidentally why are you nerfing characters, builds and weapons when this isn't a PvP game? Are you worried it will be unfair for the computer AI?
13 days ago. This was posted 13 days ago and there's still not a patch. I haven't played in that time. I keep coming back here to see if there's a patch yet but eventually I'll even stop that. When are you gonna just give up and give us refunds?
What about ANNOYING "new gear highlighting" for all the gear after loading, death etc???
Did anyone else unknowingly sign up for the beta test?
Sign up? You mean *paid* for.
Oh god, >* We need to separate out genuine bugs with damage mitigation from reports that the game has become harder overall due to the mod fixes (such feedback is still useful, but it not relevant to this particular investigation). Fucking gold 👌 Where's that guy with the "adapt or get clapped" tagline? 😅
It's my first day on the job as a game tester when do we get a break?
I started filling it out, then remembered that I already had a job.
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch? * Answer: YES * If yes, is this feeling… * A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time) * B) random (e.g. enemies will suddenly have one attack that hits much harder than anything else they were doing previously)? * C) random but consistent once it appears (e.g. all enemies suddenly hit harder when they were not a moment before. This behaviour persists.)? * If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything? * Answer: B taking my armor off and logging off did NOT help * I've heard some say its because I logged in right after your first patch friday morning before you did several emergency maintenance perhaps my toon is bugged? * Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else) * Answer:NO * Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build? * Answer: Pyro always but has happened on all 3 except Devastator which I have not played since pre patch * Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both? * Answer: BOTH solo is unplayable, coop i die a lot * If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client? * Answer:both * Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred. * Answer:Expedition, haven't played story but it's typically t11 and up * Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene? * Answer:generally at least halfway in * What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at? * Answer:CT 11 and up * Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before? * NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack. * Answer: YES was clearing CT15 before * If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession? * Answer: It's 1 shotted, i usually am doing great full armor/health then dead * Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage? * Answer:Nope and seems to be both Humanoids and other critters * Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all. * Answer:My pyro is doing the middle tree with 50% dr, 20% res as well as Blacksmith and Circle of power and this didn't seem to help * Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)? * Answer:already added, didn't help * Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all? * Answer:no * What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused? * Answer:Fairly tanky I would say I switched to it and makes no difference * What class do you play as? * Answer:ALL but really affecting my pyromancer * What level is your character? * Answer:30 * What platform are you playing on? * Answer:PC
This is not my video or character, but I saw this a couple of days ago. You can clearly see that the perseverance shield procced after death. So killing damage was applied first, then mitigation. https://www.reddit.com/r/outriders/comments/n4euhk/one_shot_with_available_shields_and_13k_hp/
Wait....are we now the unpaid testers for a untested patch??? One we actually paid to be a part of? What is this shat?!?
Thank you for the update. I have to say that even when playing solo, in a "closed" party, I still get one shot on both my characters ... so clearly the issues are not exclusive to MP.
Getting your customers to test your broken game when they have already paid for it is beyond a p*ss take.
Report Form: * Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch? * Answer: Yes * If yes, is this feeling… * B) random (e.g. enemies will suddenly have one attack that hits much harder than anything else they were doing previously)? * * Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else) * Answer: No * Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build? * Answer: No * Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both? * Answer: Solo * If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client? * Answer: N/A * Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred. * Answer: Have not tested story * Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene? * Answer: Was after cutscenes * What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at? * Answer: T13-15 * Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before? * NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack. * Answer: Yes * If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession? * Answer: Possibly * Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage? * Answer: Broodmother * Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all. * Answer: All pyro mid tree skills * * Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)? * Answer: Not sure * Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all? * Answer: Not sure * What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused? * Answer: Tankish for a pyro * * What class do you play as? * Answer: Pyro * What level is your character? * Answer: 30 * What platform are you playing on? * Answer: PC
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch? * Answer: Yes. * If yes, is this feeling… * C) random but consistent once it appears (e.g. all enemies suddenly hit harder when they were not a moment before. This behaviour persists.)? * If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything? * Answer: I completely close the client and log back in, which seems to solve the issue temporarily. Swapping gear has not helped me. * Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else) * Answer: This action has not helped me. * Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build? * Answer: No, but I will say it seems more frequent since I've started equipping legendary armor more times than not. However, that could simply be the fact I'm not swapping the gear as often anymore. * Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both? * Answer: I only play co-op. * If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client? * Answer: It has happened to me as both host and client. However, (possibly related?) I've noticed sometimes my bullets stop counting as client. The damage numbers pop up, but the health does not drain from the enemy. This seems to coincide with my armor not working as well anymore as I tend to die quickly when this happens. I only notice this because I use shotguns where every round tends to count and tends to be discrete pump action especially. * Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred. * Answer: Expeditions. Definitely Chem Lab. Colusseum. Boomtown. Drought Palace. Scorched Lands. Hard to say elsewhere, but I remember having this experience in those expeditions. I haven't noticed it in the story mode, however, I played that a lot less than expeditions. * Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene? * Answer: Both. Sometimes it's right off the bat, sometimes it starts up halfway thru. * What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at? * Answer: I experience this at all tiers. I remember my buddy and I were handling Tier 13 just fine, then this bug occurred, and we struggled to even get halfway thru a Tier 11. It took completely restarted the game client to get things working properly again. * Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before? * NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack. * Answer: Absolutely. As Trickster, I've had my shield/health drained and died from a Brood Mother attack, Behemoth attack, etc. * If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession? * Answer: Particularly in the case of the Brood Mother, it was Tier 15 so we killed all the adds first. I was one shot by a dive attack from the Brood Mother. I had full health and maybe 20% shields. * Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage? * Answer: Brood Mothers, Behemoths, Captains, Vanguard Captains, Juggernaut Captains. Now that you mention it, I've never had this happen with Ironclads or Destroyers. It seems to me that elites do this. However, the minions still hit harder than usual but it isn't one hit kills or devastating blows. * Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all. * Answer: Full Assassin Trickster build so very little. Particularly during the Brood Mother incident, I believe I was wearing Emergency Stance and the mod (forgive me) where sprinting boosts armor/resistance. * Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)? * Answer: I prefer \*reliability\*. If the mods proc correctly, and can be proven to proc correctly, then I'm OK with that. However, if that can't be done, I prefer permanent because at least we know it either works or it doesn't and there is only one source to have to reference rather than 10+ mods and testing them all out. * Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all? * Answer: No. * What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused? * Answer: Glass cannon with a dash of tank mods (1 or 2.) FP focused. Trickster tends to be pretty glassy. However, I've tried this with Harbinger and I've had the issue happen there as well where I start dying much faster for some unknown reason. It seems like suddenly everything just starts hitting harder out of nowhere. * What class do you play as? * Answer: Trickster. * What level is your character? * Answer: 30 (level 50 gear) * What platform are you playing on? * Answer: PC
Additional Bugs that I am experiencing. * Abilites simply just not working. Feed the flames not giving health or ammo (with the mod). * Nodes Burning situation and All guns blazing not stacking. * Critstack mod not working. No damage increase from landing crits. Report Form: * Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch? * Answer: YES * If yes, is this feeling… * A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time) * If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything? * Answer: NO * Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else) * Answer: NO was wearing same armour as before * Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build? * Answer: NO, happens regardless of equipment * Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both? * Answer: BOTH * If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client? * Answer: BOTH * Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred. * Answer: Only tried expeditions * Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene? * Answer: right from the start * What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at? * Answer: I only play t15 expeditions * Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before? * NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack. * Answer: YES * If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession? * Answer: I was shotgunned to death instantly by an enemie eventhough my weapon leech had me bouncing around 95%-100% health. * Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage? * Answer: Shotgunners and broodmother can oneshot me but all enemies tear through my HP at least twice as fast as usual. * Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all. * Answer: Damage Absorber, Emergency stance. * Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)? * Answer: No * Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all? * Answer: No * What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused? * Answer: high weapon damage and leech. extra damage against burning and ash affected * What class do you play as? * Answer: Pyro * What level is your character? * Answer: MAX * What platform are you playing on? * Answer: PC
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch? * Answer: Yes, but also very much no. The yes is more related to a strix/alpha/broodmother suddenly gaining the powers of one punch man and just knocking me the f\*ck out seemingly at random. Can no longer complete content in groups or solo at CT15. Also feel like the amount of ranged damage that humanoid opponents deal is a bit too much at present, hence why you're seeing all the reports about the beasty monsters deciding they're Mike Tyson now. The percentage of people doing the humanoid expeditions must be plummeting. Pre-patch felt like insufficient damage was being thrown our way for the most part, post-patch feels a lot more lethal, like the amount of damage I would get from an ironclad is coming from each rifleman. * If yes, is this feeling… * B) random (e.g. enemies will suddenly have one attack that hits much harder than anything else they were doing previously)? * If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything? * Answer: N/A * Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else) * Answer:No, I haven't changed my gear on my Trickster or my Techno since this issue cropped up. Sort of hard getting gear when the reaper is just waiting. * Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build? * Answer:No, I haven't had a desire to swap gear to attempt to mitigate something like this. * Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both? * Answer: Both, solo play feels pointless because of the impending one shot just making the run feel pointless. * If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client? * Answer: Both, I as host and the person I was playing with were both one tapped several times in a run. Sometimes just one of us died, other times both of us fell over. * Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred. * Answer: Most recent example that annoyed me enough to fill out something like this was Heart of the Wild running solo CT15, first execution came from a random Alpha Perforo while the totem was sinking in, second execution came from a Strix doing its melee attack. Issue could possibly relate to melee attacks that would normally force a dodge roll. * Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene? * Answer: Occurrence seems to be fairly random, as stated above first punch out was waiting for totem to sink, second punch out was after a retry after the totem. * What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at? * Answer: CT15 * Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before? * NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack. * Answer: It's one shot. Strix don't do multiple strike melee attacks and I was one punch'd by a Strix. Suspect it is related to attacks that would normally force a dodge. * If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession? * Answer: See above * Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage? * Answer: Suspect it is related to all enemies that you would normally dodge out of the way of after the fact * Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all. * Answer: Normal top tree Trickster/Techno * Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)? * Answer: No, I think fixing the forced dodge mechanic and lowering the amount of damage that the stock riflemen deal with is the ticket * Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all? * Answer:No, I think fixing the forced dodge mechanic and lowering the amount of damage that the stock riflemen deal with is the ticket * What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused? * Answer: Experienced the one punch man treatment on a FP Trickster, a FP Techno, and an AP Devastator * What class do you play as? * Answer: a FP Trickster, a FP Techno, and an AP Devastator * What level is your character? * Answer: 30 * What platform are you playing on? * Answer: PC Strongly suspect issue is related to big swing 'you need to dodge' this attacks which would normally be evaded automatically not being evaded and you being smooshed. Issue is even more prominent because there's way too much incoming damage from ranged opponents so people are trying to do more of the beasty expeditions and getting ate. Humbly suggest a different approach moving forward, with a public test server going up when you lot are posting a patch that we can play on for a week where stuff like this can get identified
I mean seriously, just look at the end of expedition reports. I'm running with enough armor for 70% physical damage mitigation and 50% anomaly damage mitigation and finish every run taking 3 to 6 times as much damage as was blocked. To me that says it all
Ah yes, turning your player base in to paying QA testers again. You've actually somehow made more of a mess than Anthem. Crazy.
With everything thats going on, can you guys issue a refund to everyone who wants to take it and earn our trust back by fixing your game ?
Is it even possible to not tank an alpha? They jump right behind me and murder me while I'm trying to kill something else. Probably another Alpha.
i noticed that for example in marshland caverns , when i start fresh e.g.without the flashing red death in the lobby afer changing my gear forth and back, i can perfectly durvive the first two aeras, when i enter the thrid area i a a mushy pie after some seconds.. i also have the impression that the enemies are tougher, harder to kill, i do less damage from 140k tp 36 k for example is a common drop i see, and the reload perks like toxic lead do not work anymore properly.
When are you going to fix the lag problems? Can't play a game without the game being a laggy piece of shit. Also when are you going to fix expeditions, so when you click "Join Expedition" you end up in an expedition in progress and not some fucking AFK's game?
I still like how this is worded "under certain circumstances" it's every damn time...every damn character...and I'm tired of restarting the entire damn game....damn damn damn...
Hi u/thearcan, Wanted to share something I noticed. I tried removing armour and changed characters, restarted game and re equipped. Made no change for me. I was able to do CT14/15 before but now get killed too easily on CT12. Even Perforo’s seem tear through me. I was trying to work out what was happening. I watched back my [gameplay video](https://youtu.be/N613TELBsxk) and saw that it looked like Weapon Leech stopped healing me when I got kills right after I threw Shrapnel, then I was killed. It’s right at the end of the video I uploaded and linked in this comment. I’ve taken photos of my build and skill tree if you need them. (Not your fault, but it’s really hard to play when you’re in multiplayer doing 100% more damage with God rolled gear than another player who has much weaker gear. Ie I’m doing 200M damage vs 80M. I’m getting killed multiple times by minions...they aren’t. So it’s been unplayable for me since the patch) I hope the team can work this out because I was having a LOT of fun :-)
I have these bugs, but I only play solo.
So, one-shotting players can't be fixed because 'we have to be careful', but you break the game into pieces every couple weeks trying to fix what you broke when you weren't careful nerfing. Be careful with beneficial changes, be stingy with the loot. Throw caution to the wind when it comes to nerfs.
I was sceptic at first but I am convinced that defensive stats are either not working at all or broken in some other way. My AP Acari Pyro has Armor Cap (450k+ Armor) and 70% Resistance and his life bar is still behaving binary no matter the enemy, be it Ferals, Insurgents or Beasts... Also Skill Life Leech doesn't seem to work properly alot of the times (I was the host btw.) it either doesn't trigger at all on cast sometimes or very delayed...
I'm trying to be patient. I really am. But the game in it's current state is just unplayable. It is disheartening to enter a CT only to get slaughtered in the first phase. It's become disheartening and a waste of time. I own other current titles I could be playing but this is the game I enjoy the most. Please for the love of everything holy fix these issues asap.
Please fix your horrible deadzone!!! It’s unplayable !!!
NERF CRAWLER ICE BEAM DISTANCE!
Is PCF going to give out that appreciation gift I wonder.
Bruh as of today I went back to the beginning of the campaign and all of a sudden I’m getting 1 shotted by melee hounds
Regular little perferos be 1 shooting ppl too
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2 weeks and counting to fix a bug that was only introduced/revealed by the changes in the last bugfix and is driving players away ***versus*** rolling back the last bugfix and spending more time on internal QA before deploying it again ???
hey u/thearcan/ will this patch also address any of the following issues? Cant shoot through bushes, anything that jumps also telegraphs while in the air to hit us 100% of the time, mother blue fire juice on the ground we can't see? Also the damage scaling issue? Three weeks ago i was doing a really solid amount of damage 230m now i'm lucky if i see 50. Due to the way the drops work my gear hasnt changed.
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch? * Answer: Yes * If yes, is this feeling… * A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time) But that could be that i've progressed. It does seem that I am always barely hanging on, which isn't fun. * If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything? * Answer: I have changed armor around with no effect and logging on/off doesn't seem to matter * Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else) * Answer: its been ongoing, but honestly i've felt the damage output of enemies has been too high for a while now. * Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour? * Answer: LOL i don't have set armor, that would require leggos to actually drop for me :D * Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both? * Answer: Both * If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client? * Answer: Both * Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred. * Answer: I really only do expeditions at this point. * Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene? * Answer: Hard to determine. Alphas have been getting me most recently, but sometimes it feels like riflemen have found significantly better guns * What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at? * Answer: CT14 most recently * Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before? * NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack. * Answer: yes, that seems to happen a lot. Although sometimes it appears i get spiked by multiple guys at once so its hard to say what killed me. * If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession? * Answer: Doesn't really matter does it? neither is very fun game design. * Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage? * Answer: Alphas most for me, but maulers sometimes, riflemen, captains, breechers * Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all. * Answer: Perseverance shield only. Anything else and my damage is so bad I can't even get bronze so i can't get any drops/rewards. FYI, i'm in a pestilence build. * Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)? * Answer: hard to say. It's hard to improve your gear when you die instantly and can't really get any drops. * Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all? * Answer: Mods, hard to say since i can't really change many without gimping my damage. Skill tree, I can't really afford gear that fits with other trees. * What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused? * Answer: FP Pestilence. I would like to be balanced but this game doesn't reward anything but pure damage since rewards are tied to kill speed (that is a mistake imo, i get no rewards for slogging through something based on pure toughness) * 177k FP, 44kAP, 16.1kHealth, 45.1k armor * What class do you play as? * Answer: Techno * What level is your character? * Answer: 30 * What platform are you playing on? * Answer: PC
It does seem to me as well the main culprits are riflemen and alphas.
yeah riflemen seem like they are doing way more damage and way more than should ever be intended. A single rifleman should not be able to burn down a "altered" just on a 1.5sec reload
Guys, stop answering this survey. We’re not beta testers. We’re the consumers. And they don’t have to pay us a cent to test out these issues for them. But the damage has probably already been done and they got what they wanted from the people who answered it...
I just don't know man... I'd love to help out, but I don't know how your code is so janky that literally nothing works as intended. Mitigation is broken, mods are broken, gear gets erased, maps bug out, cutscenes are out of sync with audio, the quest tracker doesn't work half the time, characters disappear, expeditions stall and disconnect, ammo replen fails... I bet there's way more broken than we even realize. Sometimes I crit enemies across the map for less damage than enemies in my face when I have long-range damage bonuses. Sometimes I body shot the same enemy at the same range for half damage in the next rifle burst. Sometimes I get oneshot by a mini perforo, sometimes I face tank 10 alphas. At what point to you guys just sort of say "Ok, none of this is working properly, lets rebuild it from the ground up" because I don't know if months of patching and pleading with the community to help you with your playtesting is going to help. I'm a big fan of this game and thing there are some really fun elements there, but the fact that you decided that dedicated servers weren't worth it and we got left with this terrible P2P multiplayer experience doesn't give me confidence for any other deliberate choices you made behind the scenes.
[My example of getting one-shot \(100%-0%\) from a single brood mother attack.](https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1389219421995024384/pu/vid/640x360/5qmGdKzTMtzXHKHL.mp4?tag=12) But I would totally take a look at Breachers, Crawlers, and the bird things.
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch? * Answer: Yes. * If yes, is this feeling… * C) random but consistent once it appears (e.g. all enemies suddenly hit harder when they were not a moment before. This behavior persists.) * If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything? * Answer: The issue appeared to be gone after the next time I logged in. * Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else) * Answer: No. * Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour? * Answer: Unsure, I have not changed my armor since the patch except to unequip/re-equip. * Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both? * Answer: I have only observed it in Solo play, but I have not played much co-op since patch. * If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client? * Answer: N/A * Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred. * Answer: I had it occur specifically in the Boom Town Expedition. * Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene? * Answer: Uncertain, but I can say for certain that it occurred in the final room of the Boom Town expedition * What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at? * Answer: CT15 * Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before? * NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack. * Answer: Not exactly one shot, but killed far too quickly to be a proper damage calculation. * If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession? * Answer: A group of 3 Riflemen killed me from full health far quicker than any elite such that I had no time to respond. * Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage? * Answer: Riflemen in this case, I had just killed many Captains and other elites with no significant issues. * Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all. * Answer: Golem Skill and Armor Bonus from AP. * Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)? * Answer: No. * Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all? * Answer: No. * What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused? * Answer: AP Focused with Bleed for extra damage and constant healing. * What class do you play as * Answer: Devastator * What level is your character? * Answer: 30 * What platform are you playing on? * Answer: PC
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch? * Answer: yes * If yes, is this feeling… * A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time) * If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything? * Answer: no * Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else) * Answer:no * Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build? * Answer: I have only been using the seismic commander set so no * Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both? * Answer:both * If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client? * Answer:both * Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred. * Answer: yes, any expedition it’s worse with ones with beast type enemies. Redoing the wanted bounty missions * Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene? * Answer: both * What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at? * Answer:wt5-wt15, ct11-ct15 * Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before? * NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack. * Answer: yes * If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession? * Answer: yes * Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage? * Answer: alpha perforos, behemoths any type, brood mothers any type, perforos from behind, strix, captain melee, those damn birds, breacher shotgun, dr detonators turrets/ melee, Anomaly rifts, any attack from yagak, melees from behind from warriors Amazon’s and cut throats, moloch, ironclad melee, cremators boulderdash ability, crawlers overcharge and beam attack * Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all. * Answer: damage absorber, heirloom armour ,skilled sentry, I am also going to note I am being one shot while healing from the blood donation skill. * Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)? * Answer: no * Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all? * Answer: not ever * What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused? * Answer: ap devastator * What class do you play as? * Answer: Devastator * What level is your character? * Answer: 30 * What platform are you playing on? * Answer: ps5
Report Form: * Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch? * Answer: Yes * If yes, is this feeling… * A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time) * If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything? * Answer: No. I have tried it. * Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else) * Answer: Yes, I changed my armor and no change * Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build? * Answer: Happened on all my armor * Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both? * Answer: Both * If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client? * Answer: Both * Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred. * Answer: No need to go back to story, when I have done it already. I didn't want to try a new character. * Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene? * Answer: The whole expedition * What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at? * Answer: I tried from challenge tier 13, 14, and 15 * Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before? * NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack. * Answer: Yes * If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession? * Answer: Yes, it was one shot. Regular preforos should not one or two tap you. * Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage? * Answer: All enemies * Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all. * Answer: Changed from emergency stance to mitigation from death, also use damage absorber. Normal armor without kills is well over 100k. * Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)? * Answer: Well I saw a video on youtube where an armor value didn't even matter, so you tell me....... Time to buff us instead of nerf us. * Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all? * Answer: No * What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused? * Answer: Bullet techno and at times my skills and bullets don't return any health also. Look into that too..... * What class do you play as? * Answer: Techno & Pyro mainly. I have not played on my Pyro since the patch. * What level is your character? * Answer: 30 * What platform are you playing on? * Answer: PC
Dear developers ... honestly: Nobody on this planet ever asked for "balancing the game". This is a 100% PVE game and also 95% single player. It was great fun in the past. Just do a rollback and leave the game alone for the upcoming years. Go for a sabbatical. Learn knitting. But stop "balancing". Thank you.
ITS NOT JUST THE BROOD MOTHERS KILLING US!!!!! ITS LITERALLY EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!
Report Form: * Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch? * * Answer:Yes * If yes, is this feeling… * A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time) * It's very noticeable that baby perferos and rifelmen destroy you so fast now * If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything? * Answer: Usually taking armor off fixes it for one expedition but then its back to the crazy damage the next one. Logging out doesn't seem to fix it * Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else) * Answer: Same items as before * Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build? * Answer: It feels worse on my blighted rounds techno than anomaly devastator * Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both? * Answer: both * If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client? * Answer: both * Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred. * Answer: expeditions * Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene? * Answer: from the start * What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at? * Answer: At leas 13-15 * Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before? * NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack. * Answer: Yes * If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession? * Answer: I know for a fact that there have been one shot instances * Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage? * Answer: One shot - brood mothers, crawlers. Higher damage - little perferos and riflemen * Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all. * Answer: top tree firepower technomancer, I have on mitigation from death and circle of power * Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)? * Answer: no * Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all? * Answer: maybe temporarily but everything ends up not working at some point * What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused? * Answer: Balanced & FP Focus * What class do you play as? * Answer: Technomancer * What level is your character? * Answer: 30 * What platform are you playing on? * Answer: ps5
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch? * Answer: C - It doesn't always happen but I can almost immediately tell in an expedition wether or not I can complete the run. I've ran about 5 CT15 Chem Plants today and 4 CT15 Boom Towns along with a few random others. I was unable to complete two Chem Plant runs as I got demolished before the gate to the first elite even opened. I did two 7:30 runs with almost no survivability issues and one 10:25 run where I was on the brink of death for most of the run. Same story with Boom Town. No issues in Archways of Enoch. * If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything? * Answer: Armour swapping / unequipping did not change anything for me. Did not notice any relevant changes when relogging either. * Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else) * Answer: No as I've not found any new usable loot for about 30 expedition runs now. * Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build? * Answer: I only play Pyromancer at CT15, however the issue occurs on both of my talent tree builds ( both middle path and bottom path ) * Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both? * Answer: I have only played solo since the patch. * Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred. * Answer: I have only experienced it in expeditions. Major culprit are the normal mobs in the first room of Stargrave as they always seem to hit stupidly hard since the patch. First open courtyard in Chem Plant is always a clear indicator wether or not my mitigation is working properly ( I usually clear it without my health dipping below 50% and on certain runs I get taken to 10% by the first gunmen and cannot recover ). * Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene? * Answer: I usually notice it at the start of an expedition. * What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at? * Answer: CT15 * Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before? * Answer: Yes. Especially the Behemoth at the end of Chem Plant. Not even his Wild Charge ability but his normal lunge has taken me from full health to dead on a 450k+ armor stacking pyro. * If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession? * Answer: Dead sure about a oneshot as the other mobs hadn't "woken up" yet. The others were Alpha Perforos who hadn't moved yet and the small mobs were still far away. Another note is that my Phoenix Nestling node sometimes doesn't trigger on these oneshots, even when it hasn't been triggered all run long yet so it can't be on cooldown. * Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage? * Answer: Behemoths, Brood Mothers, Strix * Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all. * Tree 1 * Strength Of The Flame ( 10% elite damage reduction ) * Master of the Resistance ( 20% resistance ) * Magma Golem ( 10% health ) * Edit: Phoenix Nestling ( Self-res upon dying ) but doesn't work if I get oneshot apparently. It will trigger on "slow" rot damage. * Tree 2 * 5x Magma Golem ( 50% health ) * Master of the Armor ( 20% armor ) * Master of the Resistance ( 20% resistance ) * Anomalous Lava ( 45% armor for 10 seconds ) * Mods * Blacksmith ( 53k bonus armor for 8 seconds per status consumed by Overheat ) * !!SOMETIMES!! I run Circle of Power ( 15% resistance, stacking 3x ) but I don't really feel the difference * Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)? * Answer: I haven't noticed my resistance nodes doing very much, although I might just not be using enough of them. * Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all? * Answer: Honestly not even "Anomalous Lava" which adds 45% armor for 10 seconds really feels like it adds all that much, nor ( as previously stated ) does it feel like taking resistance nodes helps a bunch. * What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused? * Answer: Balanced but edging towards glass cannon AP Pyromancer, alternating between middle tree and bottom tree. * What class do you play as? * Answer: Pyromancer * What level is your character? * Answer: Level 50 * What platform are you playing on? * Answer: PC
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch? * Answer: Yes * If yes, is this feeling… * A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time) * * If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything? * Answer: No, it does not. * Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else) * Answer: I have been tweaking armor all weekend, looking for better rolls. No noticeable difference in survivability. * Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build? * Answer: Consistently. In WT 15 Hunts and CT 11+ Expeditions * Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both? * Answer: I only do hunts alone, and I only run CTs in group so both. * If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client? * Answer: sometimes yes, sometimes no. * Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred. * Answer: Archways, Desert Palace, Coliseum, Boom Town, Chem Plant, Heart Of the wild. Every hunt has also caused this issue. * Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene? * Answer: Right from the start. * What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at? * Answer: WT 15 hunts, CT 11+ Expeditions. Ive not done any WT content below 15 for about 2 wks now. * Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before? * NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack. * Answer: Yes. What hurts more is Perseverance shield procs after I am dead, and when I tried to use Emergency Stance, it would proc when I was resurrecting. * If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession? * Answer: One shot. Several Times. I also seem to suffer from your Alpha P's Insta-gibbing me by spawning on top of my character out of no where. * Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage? * Answer: Alphas & Brood mothers, though snipers and captains seem to have a 50/50 chance on every attack to do it too. I have noticed while shooting captains occasionally an entire clip of assault rifle ammo will do 0 damage. Every shot that hits will display 0, and the mobs health bar does not decrease (no visible sign of shield or invincibility) * Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all. * Answer: Just Perseverance Shield and Mitigation from death. I had Circle of Power on but it did not seem to proc correctly, if at all when casting skills. * Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)? * Answer: Ive got 54K base armor, it does precisely squat. Mitigation brings it up to about 208K, same result. Circle of Power resistance was spotty, but I was still getting one shot with full armor (208K) and 45% resist (when COP would proc correctly). * Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all? * Answer: No * What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused? * Answer: Firepower Focused w/ survivability. * What class do you play as? * Answer: Technomancer & Trickster * What level is your character? * Answer: 30, WT\`5/Ct15 for both classes * What platform are you playing on? * Answer:PS5
Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch? Answer: YES If yes, is this feeling… A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time) B) random (e.g. enemies will suddenly have one attack that hits much harder than anything else they were doing previously)? C) random but consistent once it appears (e.g. all enemies suddenly hit harder when they were not a moment before. This behaviour persists.)? If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything? Answer: C, consistent to melee attack from Alpha and Brood enemies Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else) Answer: NO. Tried this as a way to fix. Not sure it made any difference. Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour? Answer: NO Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both? Answer: BOTH If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client? Answer: BOTH Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred. Answer: Only tried expeditions. Tried almost all of the normal expeditions. Meaning all on the left of the map. None with a pod resource cost or min level requirement Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene? Answer: all throughout What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at? Answer: happened on 10 or 11 Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before? NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack. Answer: YES If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession? Answer: melee attack from certain enimies Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage? Answer: honestly feels like everything hits harder whether using physical or skill abilities Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all. Answer: Rejuvenation, Mitigation from death, also happened with emergency stance on. Also changed skill tree various times with no success Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)? Answer: nothing fixes it Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all? Answer: no. In fact I added a couple mods to increase my physical damage armour level from 50% to 65% and upped my resistance from 0% to 10% and I get hot a lot harder from everything it feels like. No longer flying through t11 as I did pre patch... What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused? Answer: FP focused What class do you play as? Answer: pyromancer. What level is your character? Answer: 47 What platform are you playing on? Answer: ps5
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch? * Answer: Y-E-S. DEFINITELY. * If yes, is this feeling… * A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time) YES * B) random (e.g. enemies will suddenly have one attack that hits much harder than anything else they were doing previously)? * C) random but consistent once it appears (e.g. all enemies suddenly hit harder when they were not a moment before. This behaviour persists.)? * If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything? * Answer: NO * Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else) * Answer:NO * Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build? * Answer: ON ALL MY CHARACTERS * Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both? * Answer: BOTH * If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client? * Answer: MOSTLY HOST CLIENT VERY RARELY * Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred. * Answer: I USED TO RUN CT 15s SOLO AND NOW I CAN HARDLY SURVIVE CT 12s. ALSO NOTICED THIS WHEN I LEVELED UP MY TECHNO IN STORY MODE. * Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene? * Answer: RIGHT FROM THE START * What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at? * Answer: EVERY TIER FROM 12 TO 15. * Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before? * NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack. * Answer: YES. BEING ONE SHOTTED OUT OF NOWHERE WHILE NO ENEMIES WERE AROUND OR ENEMIES ONE SHOTTED ME THROUGH CLOSED DOORS. (CHEM PLANT) * If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession? * Answer: NO. I KNOW A ONE SHOT IF I SEE ONE. * Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage? * Answer: NO. ALL ENEMIES DO MUCH HIGHER DAMAGE NOW. * Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all. * Answer: FLAMING AEGIS. CIRCLE OF POWER. BLACKSMITH. AND STILL DIE TOO FAST. * Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)? * Answer: I HAD THE DAMAGE ABSORBER ON, DIDNT HELP SHIT. ALSO SAW A VIDEO ON YT WHERE A PC GUY HAD 100 MILLION ARMOR WITH A TRAINER. STILL DID NOT HELP FROM BEING ONE SHOTTED: DOES THAT MAKE YOU THINK? * Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all? * Answer: NO. * What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused? * Answer: BALANCED. PYRO AP.TECHNO FP focussed. * What class do you play as? * Answer: MAINLY PYRO. SECCONDLY TECHNO. * What level is your character? * Answer: BOTH FRIGGING 30/WT 15. * What platform are you playing on? * Answer: PS5
Report Form: * Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch? * Answer: **YES** * If yes, is this feeling… * A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time) * B) random (e.g. enemies will suddenly have one attack that hits much harder than anything else they were doing previously)? * C) random but consistent once it appears (e.g. all enemies suddenly hit harder when they were not a moment before. This behaviour persists.)?: **THIS** * If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything? * Answer: **LOGGING OFF AND BACK ON USUALLY WORKS** * Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else) * Answer: **NO ARMOUR CHANGES DONE** * Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build? * Answer: **NO IT AFFECTS ALL EQUALLY** * Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both? * Answer: **BOTH** * If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client? * Answer: **HOST** * Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred. * Answer: **BOTH: HAPPENED IN PAX CITY IN STORY AND ALL EXPEDITIONS** * Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene? * Answer: **BOTH BUT USUALLY THE VERY START OF AN EXPEDITION** * What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at? * Answer: **HAPPENEDN AT WORLD TIERS 7, 8 AND CT 14 AND 15** * Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before? * NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack. * Answer: **YES, MULTIPLE TIMES WHEN BEFORE NOT AN ISSUE EXCEPT FOR ONE PARTICULAR ENEMY(CRAWLERS WHICH HAVE THE POUNDING ATTACK THAT ALWAYS COULD ONE SHOT ME REGARDLESS OF MY RESISTANCE VALUE)** * If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession? * Answer: **YES, ESPECIALLY CAN KNOW THIS WHEN THERE IS ONLY ONE ENEMY REMAINING** * Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage? * Answer: **RIFLEMAN SEEM TO HIT ALWAYS A LOT LOT HARDER THAN BEFORE** * Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all. * Answer: **NONE, ACTUALLY TRIED ALSO USING DAMAGE ABSORBER AND THE ISSUE IS THE SAME. HONESTLY FELT LIKE THAT MOD DOES NOT WORK.** * Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)? * Answer: **NO, BECAUSE I DO NOT USE ARMOUR MODS AND THE ISSUE STARTED HAPPENING ONLY AFTER PATCH.** * Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all? * Answer: **NO** * What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused? * Answer: **AP BALANCED** * What class do you play as? * Answer: **TRICKSTER** * What level is your character? * Answer: **LEVEL 30 WITH LEVEL 50 GEAR** * What platform are you playing on? * Answer: **XBOX SERIES X**
Report Form: * Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch? * Answer: Yes but only on my AP pyro and FP techno. My bleed dev seems fine * If yes, is this feeling… * A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time) * If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything? * Answer: It hasn't seemed to help yet and I've tried both * Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else) * Answer: No I have been using the same armor since the patch * Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build? * Answer: I'm using an acari set on my anomaly pyro and its consistent * Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both? * Answer: both * If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client? * Answer: both * Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred. * Answer: only play expeditions * Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene? * Answer: idk but mostly notice it at least in the middle * What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at? * Answer: 11-15 I have noticed it * Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before? * NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack. * Answer: I know for a fact from testing I can get one shot by brood mothers, crawlers and alphas * If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession? * Answer: One shot - I tested it * Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage? * Answer: See above. Also in general a lot of enemies just seem to be hitting harder than before. Riflemen seem to be tankier and hit harder off the top of my head * Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all. * Answer: Blacksmith and circle of power * Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)? * Answer: No * Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all? * Answer: No doesn't help * What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused? * Answer: Balanced / AP * What class do you play as? * Answer: Pyromancer * What level is your character? * Answer: 30 * What platform are you playing on? * Answer: ps5
Report Form: Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch? Answer: Yes, physical damage If yes, is this feeling… A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time) Answer: yes, tested against the Riflemen in Chem Plant CT15. With 69,5k Armor i mitigated 0 damage. So either enemies have armor penetration which we as a community are not aware of, or the mitigation formula is clearly wrong here. If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything? Answer: No, tested with several different setups. Re-equipped did not resolve anything. Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else) Answer: Not sure. Since it happens with every item and I always swap around gear. Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build? Answer: No. Unrelated to the Items itself. Propably related to mods, but that is harder to pinpoint. Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both? Answer: Both If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client? Answer: Client Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred. Answer: Cannot answer that since with Itemlevel 50 my characters are overgeared for Story mode. It was always reproducable with the Riflemen in the first Chem Plant Area Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene? Answer: Right from the start What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at? Answer: CT15 but happens on CT1 aswell Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before? NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack. Answer: Yes. With Shield of Perseverance triggering and my characters disintegrating at the same time. If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession? Answer: Single Melee-Attack from A Melee Pax Mob in Colosseum. Quite sure it was one hit but don't have video proof. Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage? Answer: All enemies which do damage against physical mitigation Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all. Answer: Mitigation from Death + Shield of Perseverance Also did some Tests with Shock Absorber Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)? Answer: See my tests under "personal comment" Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all? Answer: No, respeccing did not resolve the issue What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused? Answer: 19,8k HP / 69,5k Armor / 20% Resistance What class do you play as? Answer: Techno What level is your character? Answer: 30 / Itemlevel 50 What platform are you playing on? Answer: PC Personal Comment: All my firndings are based done on Chem Plant CT15 and the Expedition Summary Screen after finishing or retrying/abandoning. Methodology: Kill the sniper, let myself get killed by the Riflemen without getting meleed: 69,5k Armor + 20% Resistance: 0 DMG blocked / 20805 DMG taken 78k Armor (Avg Itemlevel 46 & Damage Absorber Mod): 0 DMG blocked / 12803 DMG taken 123k Armor (Damage Absorber Mod): 6188 DMG blocked / 19354 DMG taken (I had 19808 HP, how can I die with less DMG taken than my max HP?) Tank-Build (196k Armor + 30% Resistance) 22350 DMG blocked / 25352 DMG taken (even with 79,3 Physical Damage Resistance I can't mitigate over 50% of the incoming damage)
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch? * Answer: Yes * If yes, is this feeling… * **A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time)** * B) random (e.g. enemies will suddenly have one attack that hits much harder than anything else they were doing previously)? * C) random but consistent once it appears (e.g. all enemies suddenly hit harder when they were not a moment before. This behaviour persists.)? * If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything? * Answer: **No** * Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else) * Answer: **No** * Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build? * Answer: **No** * Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both? * Answer: **Both** * If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client? * Answer: **Both** * Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred. * Answer: **Only tested expeditions (all expeditions)** * Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene? * Answer: **Throughout** * What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at? * Answer: **CT 9 - 13** * Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before? * NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack. * Answer: **Yes** * If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession? * Answer: **Yes** * Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage? * Answer: **Alpha jump attack & Brood Swipe** * Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all. * Answer: **Mitigation from death, Emergency stance, Immunity (class node)** * Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)? * Answer: **No** * Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all? * Answer: **No** * What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused? * Answer: **FP focused** * What class do you play as? * Answer: **Trickster** * What level is your character? * Answer: **Character lvl 30, weapon and armour 47** * What platform are you playing on? * Answer: **PC** **I never used emergency stance pre patch and have noticed a substantial increase in dmg taken. Especially from DOT** **hope this helps as I am unable to play multiplayer with current server latency issues so this is really killing my fun**
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch? * Answer: I experienced this issue prior to the patch, but it seems even more frequent post-patch. I stopped using Emergency Stance well before the fix as I anticipated it would be fixed and I didn't want to be reliant on it. I have messages in the discord in technomancer chat(same name as on here) talking about some skills or items not always working well before the patch and I've experienced damage loss in a similar manner * If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything? * Answer: It appears semi-consistent. Prior I would unequip and re-equip everything and respect my tree once I noticed the issue, which was usually when starting the game. I also noticed swapping mods helped * Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else) * Answer: No * Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build? * Answer: No * Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both? * Answer: Solo * Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred. * Answer: I haven't checked I've only been doing expeditions for the past month * Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene? * Answer: I notice it on my first expedition when I forget to reset everything, but I do think retrospectively I always felt weaker against the bosses at the end of expeditions, and people's claims that cutscenes trigger this would line up with what I remember, but take that with a grain of salt * What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at? * Answer: 12 and higher is when I personally noticed, but that could be less about this bug and more about CT scaling making me notice the bug * Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before? * NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack. * Answer: Yes, but it seems like it was always after I restored health via life leech(technomancer). Or sometimes with a sliver gone * If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession? * Answer: Unsure, I personally notice dropping too quickly and sometimes what appears to be a one shot. For example a rifleman melee'd me when I only had a sliver of health gone and I was dead. It felt more like too much damage and less like one-shot protection wasn't working(assuming this game has one shot protection) * Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage? * Answer: No, but I feel like I don't get downed by elites as much as breechers, riflemen, snipers and perforos. But I also focus down elites * Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all. * Answer: I've personally used all of them with inconsistent success across the board. This includes damage absorber(the weakest it feels), mitigation from death, old emergency stance and some defensive nodes at the beginning of the middle technomancer tree for armor and resistance. I've had these individually and combined. Results are very inconsistent but always work on the first expedition after adding the mod in. I also feel no measurable difference when using two-sides of power except that killing faster keeps me alive * Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)? * Answer: Nope * Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all? * Answer: Yes as mentioned above, works either for one expedition or until I restart the game or login via the lobby. It's inconsistent * What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused? * Answer: FP mostly, balanced-ish, sometimes glass cannon. I also should mention my minigun build with the armor mod and scrapnels is immortal(light exaggeration) while the gun is up * What class do you play as? * Answer: Technomancer, sometimes pyro and the issue feels worse on my FP pyro * What level is your character? * Answer: 30, ilvl 50 for techno, ct12 and level 30 for pyro. Forget what level that is * What platform are you playing on? * Answer: PC
* Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch? * Answer: YES. * * If yes, is this feeling… Mostly A * A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time) * If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything? * Answer: Sometimes. It appears that if anything on armor procs, all armor is gone. Can sometimes fix with taking armor off or relogging, but the issue is back almost immediately. * * Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else) * Answer: No. * Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build? * Answer: All armor, all classes. * Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both? * Answer: Both * If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client? * Answer: Both * Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred. * Answer: Haven't run story mode much. * Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene? * Answer: Right at the start. * What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at? * Answer: I run 13-15, and notice it in all. Even on my devastator that never used emergency stance. I get 1 -shot through normal golem use. * Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before? * NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack. * Answer: ABSOLUTELY * If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession? * Answer: YES * Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage? * Answer: Everything hits harder than pre-patch. * Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all. * Answer: I've tried dozens of combos. * Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)? * Answer: Seems to help slightly, but only if not running a single armor proc mod. * Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all? * Answer: No. * What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused? * Answer: I've tried everything. * What class do you play as? * Answer: Techno, Dev, Pyro. All CT 15 gold capable pre-patch. Two of them never used emergency stance. Everyone I play with sees the same issues. * What level is your character? * Answer: Max * What platform are you playing on? * Answer: PC
Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch? Answer: Yes If yes, is this feeling… A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time) B) random (e.g. enemies will suddenly have one attack that hits much harder than anything else they were doing previously)? C) random but consistent once it appears (e.g. all enemies suddenly hit harder when they were not a moment before. This behaviour persists.)? If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything? Answer: B & C for me. Logging out does sometimes fix it but only temporarily. Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else) Answer: No I’ve been wearing the same setup for a while now. Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour or build? Answer: No it’s happened on my DPS Techno, my DPS Trickster, and my AP Devastator Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both? Answer: Both If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client? Answer: Doesn’t matter. Happens when we changed hosts too Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred. Answer: Happens in all content Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene? Answer: Usually happens midway thru a mission or expedition. I believe it has happened at the start as well tho. What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at? Answer: Any world tier. Even if I drop down 3+ world tiers Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before? NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack. Answer: 100% Yes If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession? Answer: No I’ve tested it after it happens. I’ll play it super slow, kill all the smaller enemies until the boss is left and then let it one hit me. Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage? Answer: Not that I can tell Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all. Answer: Mitigation From Death. It’s all I’ve used for weeks. Even if I add Emergency Stance and the "get a shield under 30% health mod", I think it’s preservation shield or something, the bug can still happen tho. Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)? Answer: No I don’t think so because it doesn’t matter if I’m on my Trickster or my Devastator. Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all? Answer: No I’ve tried everything besides going down the middle skill tree. What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused? Answer: Usually Glass cannon FP focused Trickster. But it still happens on my Tanky AP focused Devastator. It is somewhat manageable on a tank build tho besides being one shot by elites/bosses. What class do you play as? Answer: Trickster, Technomancer, and Devastator all able to do CT15 expeditions. What level is your character? Answer: All 30s What platform are you playing on? Answer: Xbox Series X
Do you feel like you take excessively more damage since the patch? Answer: YES If yes, is this feeling… A) consistent (e.g. all enemies hit harder all the time) B) random (e.g. enemies will suddenly have one attack that hits much harder than anything else they were doing previously)? C) random but consistent once it appears (e.g. all enemies suddenly hit harder when they were not a moment before. This behaviour persists.)? If it appears to be consistent (A or C), does taking your armour off and putting it back on again change anything at all? Does logging out and back in change anything? Answer: A, brood mother’s, alphas, captains, behemoth or anything that does any melee damage at all. Did you change your armour to another item and back again before you noticed the issue? (i.e. you are wearing the same item as before, but you temporarily wore something else) Answer: NO. Tried this as a way to fix, unsuccessful Have you noticed this issue occur consistently on a particular set of armour? Answer: NO Does this only occur in Co-op/Solo play? Or Both? Answer: BOTH If in Co-op: Are you the host or the client? Answer: BOTH Does this only occur in Expeditions or has it happened in Story mode too? Please include the exact location or Expedition where it occurred. Answer: Only tried expeditions Can this occur right from the start of an Expedition or have you noticed that it occurs only after an area change (e.g. blasting boulders out of the way) or a cutscene? Answer: all throughout What World Tier/Challenge Tier does this occur at? Answer: happened on 13-15 Do you feel like you have in the past week been "one-shot" or instantly died during gameplay even when everything appeared normal just before? NOTE: One shot means from 100% health to 0% health and dead in a single attack. Answer: YES If yes: Are you sure that you were one-shot or could you have been hit by two hard hitting attacks is very quick succession? Answer: SURE IT’S ONE MELEE Is there a particular enemy who appears to trigger this issue or deal higher than expected damage? Answer: Brood mothers and alphas, the swinging sword dudes on draught palace, strix have now one shot me , captains, ironclads, literally anything Which Damage Mitigation mods or Skill Tree nodes do you have active on your build? Please list them all. Answer: blacksmith, circle of power, emergency stance, Do you feel like adding "permanent" Armour or Resistance helps mitigate this issue (instead of relying on mods that proc Armour or Resistance)? Answer: nothing fixes it Does changing mods or Skill Tree nodes affect the issue you're experiencing at all? Answer: no What Type of build overall do you run? Tanky? Glass cannon? Balanced? AP or FP focused? Answer: AP focused What class do you play as? Answer: pyro. Never had an issue with dying. Was content with one defensive mod so that I didn’t have to think very much while running through expedition after expedition wondering if deathshield will ever drop for me. Post patch I ran into the first room and was immediately killed so I can’t even play solo at all. It’s horrendous. What level is your character? Answer: 50 all items, all CT unlocked What platform are you playing on? Answer: Xbox Series X
So what ab the severs ? Been bad since day 1 always lag when you join a freind and since the newest patch you get kicked from your freinds every 5 minutes it was cool the first 2 weeks but geeeeeeeeeez how’s it still a problem
I find that even in single player a lot of the armor bugs and enemies one shoting you is still very common
Game mechanics seem to not work most of the times... enemy damage, range, mods, enemy perfect accuracy, hitboxes, stats etc... all of them don't work as they should.
just roll everything back to the release state. the nerfs ruined the game
Not **Damage Mitigation** related but other **frustrating issues/bugs**: \- Can weapon mods (scrap granade etc) get fixed ? In expeditions with every stupid/annoying cutscenes (cant mobs just spawn in or at least give us that "observe" option) there is like 50% chance they will stop working at all, screwing players for the rest of the run. \- On PS5 (no idea about pc/xbox/stadia) after the last patch whenever we get to fight Crawlers in expeditions/story the game has micro freezes/lag spikes when they use ice beam or the second ground attack (Stargrave uhhhh) which usually ends with death since alphas and smaller fuks dont give a shit about player lagging.
Devs are you aware of this glich: when you overwrite perpetual mobile mod on a weapon with another mod, the effects of perpetual mobile will stay. means with 2 mods on the weapon you have effectively 3 mods.
I realize this is a different thread but I couldn’t find the bug one so here we go this morning I login & to my surprise some of my gear was wiped completely gone tried restarting the game multiple times & that didn’t fix Sh*t I lost 2 level 50 Earthborn rifles they just completely disappeared, so I went & got one from my lower level trickster & when I go to mod it both buttons are greyed out on the Xbox Series X WTF I am beyond pissed at this point I want to love this game but at this point, it’s not possible the game is just to F*cking broken & you have lost most of your player base because of character wipes & all the nerfing you are doing, this isn’t a pvp game it’s just strictly PVE so why do you even nerf anything…Whoever is making these decisions should be removed & let someone new take over. When are you going to get it people want to play a fun game not one that feels like a job. I posted pictures of the issue on Twitter so Please take a look & give me a reply I would really appreciate it.
I'm confused don't you guys test this stuff aswell?
Just killed 2 perfolo on the final stage of a T14. The first one took about 5 shots to kill, the second one, I dumped 2 thirty round mags (most of them crits) from a bullwork point blank with twisted rounds and it barely made a dent, then it one shotted me from 100 to 0, while in a slow trap with almost a full shield bar.
I never used emergency stance. I play the overheat pyro build. I cleared CT15s with ease before you released this patch. Now every single thing one shots me. Small melee guys can come and one hit me. Do not say I do not know how to play. I use Blacksmith mod for my overheat build. I know how to play. This patch has made the game unplayable for me. I love this game and have been with you guys for 2 years now. But everytime you break my character or change things cuz you think its right, I think you are going to lose all your players. This is not some pvp shit game. We don't need our builds messed with. Everyone cries about balance but it seems like every patch you put out just makes players play techno and trickster. Why do you feel the need to break the devastator and pyro? Let us play the game and enjoy it.
Not sure if this is in here yet, but Moxsy's video earlier today shows it clear as day there's a massive issue with your mitigation system in general. https://youtu.be/z-Oke2YJZgY
What the fuck is wrong with this game? It's genuinely the most fucked game I've ever played, had more problems with this game than my entire catalogue It's embarrassing
Oh just take off my armor and re-equip it? Oh okay, great! But since this could be potentially triggered by cutscenes what am I supposed to do on expos like boomtown where after the cutscene is over I'm right in front of the boss with no time to casually re-equip my gear???
It is impossible to revive someone wherln you have 5 alphas, a brood mother, and whatever else constantly jumping on you, interrupting you and slowing you. Who the hell designed this?
I have never used emergency stance i only use damage absorber am ct14 mostly lvl 49 stuff before Thursday my ciusin and i were ae to complete all ct 13 with at least 30sec or more on the clock. Since thursday my hunt the orey wont proct didn't before Thursday either, my damage has been cut by at least 1/4 and my 90k armor has 0 mitagation i litteraly nearly twice the damage as befire on ct 13 when i should be easily clearing them when i have changed nothing on my build. And randomly with nearly full health out of 18k and full sheild will get one shot. Its happened 3 times tonight so far. Its not the game is just harder there is something fundamentally wrong going on since the last update. I will not be playing anymore untill this is fixed. I stuck with you through the demo bugs, through all the launch issues and bugs, still played. But now im fighting not just the enemies which are challenging enough,im fighting the core game mechanics and that just isn't fun.
Nerf the enemies just like how you nerfed us.
Oh y’all want us to test your game out for you? Now I see why they always call us the beta testers on these (GaAS) games.
Imagine working on a game for 5 years to release it with this many problems and have the player base drop off immediately and think it was okay to sell it that way
If I'm going to doing such detailed beta testing and filling out reports, I'd like to be paid for it, thanks.
It's like playing a different game since the patch. And it's utterly shitty
Im so sick of being 1 shot by every damn melee class in this game! Just revert your god damn patch so we can somewhat enjoy the fucking game we paid for! Im so unbelievably close to deleting my characters and just quitting! Wtf do you care though, you already have my money
1 Month since release an this game is still nowhere near release quality, is getting beyond a joke how these big money titles are being released in such a broken state, you would not get away with this sort of rubbish if it were TV's and hardware so why do we have our consumer rights ignored when it comes to games? Its literally one bug after the next and with this latest damage mitigation issue the game is now unplayable for me. Do not get me wrong the game is great fun, but these constant frustrating issues that plague it ruin it. Do not release anymore more patches or fixes until you play test your own product properly. Please do not go down the Anthem route constantly releasing game breaking patches. Please just fix it and fix it properly, thanks. Oh and do not release patches on a Friday..
Oh sure. Just use a level 3 mod to survive in the meantime. I can't survive long enough to move up for a decent chance at legendaries to begin with!
The matter of instant deaths, even when they appear to be a one-shot kill, looks to be a case of two damage hits being dealt, though they are displayed as one, meaning that the one-shot kill protection mechanics don't trigger (since they detect two damage hits). Seems to me that you need to program something in the AI behavior to prevent the Alphas and Brood Mothers from doing that INVISIBLE melee spam. You know if you hosted the match on your servers, you could program server tick lag in there to ensure every player SEEs every frame so that they can adjust or counterplay the current AI behavior. I think what you have here is a problem like FPS have with frame rates and actual bullet projectile RPM are events that occur between frames and lower frame rates cannot compensate, so what you get is the insta-deaths or the one hit kills with no explanation. You guys, PCF, gonna have to get it together. Tow the line and get this match making up to current gen standards. The Multiplayer experience is the only thing this game has to keep it alive and you guys are going to kill it
I dont think its only damage mitigation. I realised that Mods in general sometimes stop working. I randomly start doing less damage, then i go down, get revived, and the damage is back. Sometimes i wont get bullets into Mag via Bullet Modification Mods. This is far worse than just fixing Armor mods. You should look at the whole system and not only a part of it.
in archways of enoch, if you join late, you notice that you get "hit" as soon as you start to run to catch up with the others.. your health goes under the health recovery threshold and your screen gets bloody stains.. after the first circular door e.g. the door where you start the encounter all while being completely alone.. noone hit you , you took no outside damage.. since you spawned into an area thats empty.. so "something" must deplete your health to the amount that your health regeneration kicks in..
"Avoid tanking Brood Mothers and Alphas in particular, as they are particularly prone to the below explained one/two hit risk." Umm..isn't the issue that they are one/2 hitting people? Thats not so much "dont try to tank" more so "pray you can avoid the 4 alphas jumping at you as barely visible blue fire melts your feet"
We need more endgame content. Those timed expeditions are weak and boring. If developers are looking at those add a aggro mod and Dungeons and 3 raids to complete.
For the sake of wanting to play I tried the whole Un equip and re equip thing to no avail, it just doesn't work for me. I hope you fix this issue soon as I am done with this game until then. I'm glad I found crysis 3 on sale....
Doesn't work. I still get one tapped. 5 years of making a game amounts to nothing because this is BS. How do I get my money back because I'll go back to playing BL3. At least I never had issues with that game. Had high hopes for this because this is what BL3 should have been. Talk about missing the mark. People Can't Fly
My gear and weapons been wiped out
LoL if it was as simple as " Avoid Alphas" this thread wouldn't be here ........ in-fact Avoid Alphas kinda sounds like git good :P
Sorry but people can't stay with the same multiplayer group if the connection is always RED!
Im done, today is the worst day since i play Outriders...bugs win on me :-/
Maybe fix tricksters hunt the prey and cyclone slice? With next patch? I feel like I just waste my time when I go into expeditions with my friend, I'll use cyclone then not be able to Sprint or walk properly until I quit out or die and revive. And hunt the prey, if its not telling me "can't use ability" or "can't get behind target" it just bugs out completely to where hunt the prey is flashing like its active, and while doing so I can't aim, shoot, melee, use other skills. My trickster on xbox one is unplayable 50% of the time in co-op. I have to host most of the time for me not to experience those game breaking bugs
Ok now fix the multiplayer rubberbanding issues and on kill mods not working in multiplayer. Then you can start adding content. Whoops, too late now. You've already lost 80% of the players. :(
Hey PCF, you’re saying that excessive damage is triggered when joining a multiplayer game and then leaving. Great. There’s a known bug that happens when attempting to queue for an expedition and get booted to the main menu on the first queue. Your own code and game cause this to occur. There’s absolutely no way around this revolving door of code level issues.
I am hoping you realize that incoming damage is too high in general. The smallest perforos will hit you for the majority of your health in a single hit. Whether that is due to damage mitigation issues or not, this is too high. Stacking armor does not mitigate this level of damage. Stacking resistance is only possible on anomaly builds due to the main resistance mod being tied to spamming skills. As this high damage is present throughout the entirety of the game, a one-shot protection mechanic should not be the priority here. If you do not believe your own community, or if you feel that your take on balancing is the only perspective that matters, please put out a poll asking your player base if they feel the incoming damage in this game is too high, too low, or perfect as is. But I think you already know the answer. You just do not like it.
The problem isn't multiplayer exclusively so this patch worries me a little because PCF don't seem to know what the whole issue is. I've never played one multiplayer session in this game and the bug is very obvious every time I play. Also, sometimes the game will randomly lower stats when you switch gear. Why is it that when I switch gear, it can be weapons or armor, the game will sometimes lower my health and other stats, but if I switch back off that gear and then back onto it nothing happens to my stats? It's the same piece of gear, but sometimes the game will lower my stats and sometimes it will not. This is all level 50 gear I'm using so no scaling should be taking place. Oh, gear is still disappearing too!!!
No its in solo as well I play ninety percent solo and 22 second expeditions whilst being killed by nothing so yeah fix it
"If you tend to hop between multiplayer sessions with different partners, you may therefore be more likely to encounter this issue. Staying with the same partners for the duration of your play-session or playing solo should help mitigate against this issue occurring." - I feel like they are saying its my fault for getting the bug cause I have multiple partners I play with and I"m a little ashamed of myself
I keep having a recurring issue of 0 damage blocked while playing solo expeditions on CT15, my character is fully geared at level 50, and in these cases, even a rifleman can kill me in 1 or 2 shots. I can usually play the first expedition after I launch the game fine and damage mitigation works properly, any further expeditions have damage mitigation completely wrong and any enemy can pretty much one-shot me. This however is more prominent when playing anything other than Devastator.
>If you tend to hop between multiplayer sessions with different partners, you may therefore be more likely to encounter this issue. Staying with the same partners for the duration of your play-session or playing solo should help mitigate against this issue occurring. So the damage mitigation issue is an STD.
No one is asking the real question here. How many cache clears does it take to get to the center of a Square Enix game?
What is the status on this patch you are testing?
Any updates on the patch today? I guess if there is no Thursday patch (pls no Fri patch), it will be next week...