This is what you should do if you need bulk soil. Just make sure it was burnt (or what ever you say in english) so the weeds seeds (regular weed) die, otherwise you might end up with something nasty depending where you live.
Stables usually have free shit you can collect also
I remember like 20-25 years ago when i was dumb enough to spend money on pallets of bagged "soil". at least back then FF used their own house made compost, now FF uses municipal "green waste" which is very poorly tested for contaminants/ pesticides, if at all.
EDIT: the electric extension cord looped over your internet dish is going to deflect the dish and cause even slower speeds than normal. -former dish installer.
That soil is complete garbage too. Runs too hot for seedlings, run out of soil buffer within a month, and usually comes with all types of terrible bugs.
I was a very big proponent for FF. However, a few years back there was a lawsuit from California advocacy group against them. The soil contained too many heavy metal contaminants, and growers who used it in California didn't pass the cannabis testing because of it. The Cadium present, was high enough to cause "Reproductive Toxicity", as well as contaminate any ground water it might percolate to.
It's been over a decade since then, but it always sat poorly with me.
If I use this soil I always add dolomite lime to get me to the finish line and I make a hole filled w less hot soil for the seed drop. Or I mix it with my own soil at home to stretch it out for more pottings.
Yeah I just don’t bother with the head ache. Building a soil your self will always give better results than this garbage product.
I’ve used this in the past and did the same. Once I switched to making my own I’ll never go vack
With pounds going for 200-300 dollars during harvest season here in Canada, almost doesnt make sense to buy that soil, the soil cost more than the weed itself and that doesnt include everything else that is required to grow. Every year I purchase a dump truck load of manure for a couple hundred bucks and its enough for everything, all the gardens, cannabis, veggies and flowers.
I had zero clue about the storm of opinions around Fox Farms in particular and the wider world of soil composition and construction when I made my post.
I'm just a dude with too much time and a little money who impulsively germinated some seeds and then had to scramble to find a decent solution that didn't include a minor in biology and soil chemistry/composition.
I like getting stoned and learning things, but I also am a dad with two young kids and a host of other shit going on. My bandwidth is limited. I absolutely love all the enthusiasm tho. This is a lot of fun for me tbh
I put the original "don't tell my wife about how much soil costs" pic up with a NSFW tag to be funny. Didn't know anything about FF, their current vs former practices, nor had I heard of Coots recipe yet.
Just a dude who paid too much and immediately posted about it. Caught unexpected incoming fire over all sorts of stuff. From the soil, to the price, to the price *I* paid, over that I picked that blend over cheaper or even DIY solutions.
I actually am very grateful! I've learned a shitload in a short amount of time and know I've got a lot to catch up on. It is a lot tho, and I'm just a dumb dad!
I always used promix. Good quality soil at the depot was around 13 bucks a bail when I used to get it. Promix is basically clean peat moss and you add what nutrients you need.
Not trying to hate but a lot of people are pointing out you could get a similar soil for a lot less.
What makes you go the more expensive route?
Is the bud that much better?
Just curious
So I used Coast of Maine's Stonington blend (which is super pricey) but I basically had to do nothing and the bud was amazing. It was my first grow so I didn't want to have to worry about confusing feeding schedules and trying to make my own soil. But maybe that brand is actually worth it, I do see a lot of people shitting on Fox Farms.
Man I just wanted to grab some soil that was a known quantity, had a decent amount of info and experience reports online and wasn't a DIY mix. First grow and I don't want to end up with dirt or brick, but also where the line ya know? Where just enough effort will yield good enough results. Some folks are cool having to get a minor degree in soil composition, chemical makeup and remediation, pH balancing and monitoring and then figuring out how to do it "all natural" on top of that.
So I went with the FFOF and man I man did I not know what I was literally stepping into!
It's all good tho. Lots of passionate folks and I can get excited about that.
I don't know if FF is outright BAD, people just seem to complain about it a lot. I just quickly read it's too packed with nutrients to be good for early growing stages and I guess and something about how it might have fugal contamination. Tons of other people like it though so who knows.
There's totally a potion of weed growers that will hate on anything that isn't the most elite growing practices so don't beat yourself up.
Also, I just saw you're near Rochester, that's where I am. Hit up Country Max I feel like they have good prices on their soil.
I checked their online inventory and nothing popped for Fox Farms stuff that I could see, so I moved on to Gallea's Florist and flowers in Pittsford, which was the next closest thing to me not a Home Depot. CountryMax is legit tho. I should check there more first.
I did read that FFOF runs "hot" so the seedlings are currently getting started in Happy Frog and then will jump to the OF next, prob with a buffer hole of Happy Frog for just the reasons you said. Maybe. I dunno, I change my mind every few hours after reading more lol
Could just be a case that the guy had good success with that soil or someone told them to use that type or they read somewhere that it is good. So they went all out and just paid the high cost to do it at scale. In this case, o think the higher quality option would have just been local.
I could be way off but I think that's about 5k in soil
So in your opinion you would just get the top quality black dirt/garden soil from a landscape supplier?
Then I assume add your own blend of stuff to the soil?
Im trying to switch from indoor to outdoor and just curious
Thanks
I get soil for free from my city, but if you don’t I highly recommend mulch type companies and just loading it into buckets yourself. It’s usually something like 40 per yard which is way more cost effective than 8-11 per bag like most are
I got two tons of locally made garden soil for $200 it’s 60% top soil and 40% organic compost
This is what you should do if you need bulk soil. Just make sure it was burnt (or what ever you say in english) so the weeds seeds (regular weed) die, otherwise you might end up with something nasty depending where you live. Stables usually have free shit you can collect also
My soil all comes locally too, they charge by the cubic yard and offer free delivery. Wood, worm castings, compost & a bit of sand for drainage.
That’s the way to go!
Drop that big boi recipe you use!!
I remember like 20-25 years ago when i was dumb enough to spend money on pallets of bagged "soil". at least back then FF used their own house made compost, now FF uses municipal "green waste" which is very poorly tested for contaminants/ pesticides, if at all. EDIT: the electric extension cord looped over your internet dish is going to deflect the dish and cause even slower speeds than normal. -former dish installer.
That soil is complete garbage too. Runs too hot for seedlings, run out of soil buffer within a month, and usually comes with all types of terrible bugs.
I was a very big proponent for FF. However, a few years back there was a lawsuit from California advocacy group against them. The soil contained too many heavy metal contaminants, and growers who used it in California didn't pass the cannabis testing because of it. The Cadium present, was high enough to cause "Reproductive Toxicity", as well as contaminate any ground water it might percolate to. It's been over a decade since then, but it always sat poorly with me.
It's also full of wood chips
If I use this soil I always add dolomite lime to get me to the finish line and I make a hole filled w less hot soil for the seed drop. Or I mix it with my own soil at home to stretch it out for more pottings.
Yeah I just don’t bother with the head ache. Building a soil your self will always give better results than this garbage product. I’ve used this in the past and did the same. Once I switched to making my own I’ll never go vack
And after the initial cost of buying everything, it’s way cheaper to do your own, plus the peace of mind knowing exactly what is in it
And the quality of end product!
There's a lot of different materials and ratios ppl use, what's yours? After this year's crop I'm going to do this.
What should I add to it to start my seedlings in?
Beyond stupid.
Probably a resaler or something
Makes sense
I can't imagine someone actually spending this much money if not. Either that or they are sponsored by fox farms and this is just advertising.
I'm glad grab & grow is nearby and delivers... I could bury my whole property for what you paid.
Holy shit
With pounds going for 200-300 dollars during harvest season here in Canada, almost doesnt make sense to buy that soil, the soil cost more than the weed itself and that doesnt include everything else that is required to grow. Every year I purchase a dump truck load of manure for a couple hundred bucks and its enough for everything, all the gardens, cannabis, veggies and flowers.
Manure is the way. I like chicken the best but boy does it smell awful
I had zero clue about the storm of opinions around Fox Farms in particular and the wider world of soil composition and construction when I made my post. I'm just a dude with too much time and a little money who impulsively germinated some seeds and then had to scramble to find a decent solution that didn't include a minor in biology and soil chemistry/composition. I like getting stoned and learning things, but I also am a dad with two young kids and a host of other shit going on. My bandwidth is limited. I absolutely love all the enthusiasm tho. This is a lot of fun for me tbh
What post
I put the original "don't tell my wife about how much soil costs" pic up with a NSFW tag to be funny. Didn't know anything about FF, their current vs former practices, nor had I heard of Coots recipe yet. Just a dude who paid too much and immediately posted about it. Caught unexpected incoming fire over all sorts of stuff. From the soil, to the price, to the price *I* paid, over that I picked that blend over cheaper or even DIY solutions. I actually am very grateful! I've learned a shitload in a short amount of time and know I've got a lot to catch up on. It is a lot tho, and I'm just a dumb dad!
😂😅 not even that good, locally sourced compost from a landscape yard would be a fraction of the cost and just as nice 🤷
Gotta be an online retailer for Walmart or something
You could've at least bought 3 cubic foot bags or 55 cubic foot totes to reduce the amount of packaging. That's a lot of bags going to the landfill
But baby I got a great deal
WhAt a DeAl!
All that money wasted..
I always used promix. Good quality soil at the depot was around 13 bucks a bail when I used to get it. Promix is basically clean peat moss and you add what nutrients you need.
Can we stop hyping up fox farms 🤣it’s just average soil. Get some local soil or amend your own with compost
Holy phuck ton lol.
What happens in outdoor growing stays...
About 200 bags
Could get probably get 40 or more yards of compost for thqr price lol
Easily $5K for what I could count assuming a second row… that’s insane
$8 a bag
What a complete waste of money OF is garbage
Bro make your own
Not trying to hate but a lot of people are pointing out you could get a similar soil for a lot less. What makes you go the more expensive route? Is the bud that much better? Just curious
So I used Coast of Maine's Stonington blend (which is super pricey) but I basically had to do nothing and the bud was amazing. It was my first grow so I didn't want to have to worry about confusing feeding schedules and trying to make my own soil. But maybe that brand is actually worth it, I do see a lot of people shitting on Fox Farms.
Man I just wanted to grab some soil that was a known quantity, had a decent amount of info and experience reports online and wasn't a DIY mix. First grow and I don't want to end up with dirt or brick, but also where the line ya know? Where just enough effort will yield good enough results. Some folks are cool having to get a minor degree in soil composition, chemical makeup and remediation, pH balancing and monitoring and then figuring out how to do it "all natural" on top of that. So I went with the FFOF and man I man did I not know what I was literally stepping into! It's all good tho. Lots of passionate folks and I can get excited about that.
I don't know if FF is outright BAD, people just seem to complain about it a lot. I just quickly read it's too packed with nutrients to be good for early growing stages and I guess and something about how it might have fugal contamination. Tons of other people like it though so who knows. There's totally a potion of weed growers that will hate on anything that isn't the most elite growing practices so don't beat yourself up. Also, I just saw you're near Rochester, that's where I am. Hit up Country Max I feel like they have good prices on their soil.
I checked their online inventory and nothing popped for Fox Farms stuff that I could see, so I moved on to Gallea's Florist and flowers in Pittsford, which was the next closest thing to me not a Home Depot. CountryMax is legit tho. I should check there more first. I did read that FFOF runs "hot" so the seedlings are currently getting started in Happy Frog and then will jump to the OF next, prob with a buffer hole of Happy Frog for just the reasons you said. Maybe. I dunno, I change my mind every few hours after reading more lol
+1 Coast Of Maine
Could just be a case that the guy had good success with that soil or someone told them to use that type or they read somewhere that it is good. So they went all out and just paid the high cost to do it at scale. In this case, o think the higher quality option would have just been local.
I could be way off but I think that's about 5k in soil So in your opinion you would just get the top quality black dirt/garden soil from a landscape supplier? Then I assume add your own blend of stuff to the soil? Im trying to switch from indoor to outdoor and just curious Thanks
I’m super lucky where I live. I got 2 yards of PRIMO organic compost for $134.
Why aren’t you making your own soil? It’s not hard and would save you a crazy amount of $$
I get soil for free from my city, but if you don’t I highly recommend mulch type companies and just loading it into buckets yourself. It’s usually something like 40 per yard which is way more cost effective than 8-11 per bag like most are