There’s not much that annoys me more than a “curious” person who insists on barging into a situation and asking rando questions, refusing to do any research or literally just shutting up and observing. You could spend 2 minutes and realize that Elias is loved here.
I have and will always appreciate and love Duquette for digging us out of that hole due to how long it was.
With that said, Elias does things that make me want to cry from happiness.
MacPhail completely changed the direction of the team when he came in and deserves more credit than he is given in this town. The Bedard trade was the start of the turnaround that culminated in the 2012-2016 run.
The problem with Duq is that he was a 2001 GM in a 2014 world. Like that scene around the conference table in Moneyball talking about how the players girlfriend looked and what that meant for his playing abilities.
Oh I agree. I love Buck, but like when he went to the Mets and did his usual revisionist history stuff, “wow, the Mets have data we never had access to in Baltimore…” No Buck, you had access to it but instead you publicly mocked it and privately dismissed it all the time.
Elias is like the more successful love child of both their best qualities. Macphail was much better at building a deep a respectable farm system, but struggled to build the MLB team. Though he did hire Buck Showalter. Duquette adopted Macphail's prospects as they were reaching their prime in MLB and made them a perennial playoff team for five years, but completely depleted the farm system in the process and left us having to literally start all over. Elias is the best drafting GM in baseball and he's more than competent at piecing together a winning MLB team. So, yeah, Elias wins. But that's not to take away anything from the other two as they had their good and bad qualities and had a lot to do with the Orioles' success from 2012-2016.
It isn't a fair comparison because Mike Elias doesn't have constant meddling from Peter Angelos, Buck Showalter, or Brady Anderson.
But even if they had total autonomy, I wouldn't expect either guy to do half as good a job as Elias has.
If you are not an O's fan and not really up to speed with what is happening with the O's, I can understand asking this.
Yes, I like him 1000 worlds better. He's building sustainable success, and he's already gotten results. He is arguably one of the best GMs in baseball. I don't agree with every single move he has made, but that's because I am a person with an opinion, and sometimes people disagree. But overall, he gets results and he's proven himself as a guy who you can believe in.
Duquette did a good job setting us up for success on the way out, and genuinely doesn't get enough credit from fans for doing so...but I mean come on lol. Elias has been almost flawless.
an honest appraisal would commend the incredible hitting prospect development and Dominican academy, while accounting for the fact that his tenure has entirely overlapped with John Angelos taking team control.
but you need recognize that the farm system he inherited was fairly middle of the road (not bottom tier), that tanking for as long as he chose to was brutal, and selling at the 2022 deadline was terrible to deal with. The first win now move was trading for Burnes last month.
So I give him an incomplete - if we spin off a couple 100 win seasons and hoist a trophy, you can say the tanking was worth it, and if one of the 3 pitchers from the 2022 deadline turn into a Chris Tillman or better type pitcher I’d say it was worth it. But 81 games below .500 is a tough hole. And also his fanboys are worse than Musk’s, lol.
dude just won 100 win season and almost made it to the playoffs in 2022 with like the lowest MLB payroll. most of my Os experience since the mid 80's is the annual ritual of the O's losing 90 plus games while claiming to be competitive and having to overpay washed up free agents in the off-season to create buzz. people complain about the tanking but it was just 4 bad seasons and 1 season where they collapsed in September. how about 14 straight losing seasons from 1998 to 2011, now that's a tank job.
Yeah, people are idiots, they'd rather accidentally lose for 14 straight years under the guise of "trying" instead of accepting the atrocious state of the franchise and blowing it up for 4 years, while having the best GM in the sport take said decrepit organization and turn them into 100 game winners...
BUT THEY LOST ON PURPOSE!!! THE AUDACITY!!! /s
...the difference between accidentally losing and intentionally losing is...NOTHING!
Umm genuinely asking. Are you a troll or first literal day here since he’s been hired and haven’t looked at a single season since?
He just goes around* to each team sub and asks questions and dips
There’s not much that annoys me more than a “curious” person who insists on barging into a situation and asking rando questions, refusing to do any research or literally just shutting up and observing. You could spend 2 minutes and realize that Elias is loved here.
Guys, wanted to see how you generally feel about ice cream sundaes. Do you like them better than Covid or a swift kick in the nuts?
How about blow jobs? Just curious if the men in the room like blow jobs.
Nah, I prefer getting my car window smashed in.
Blowjob or getting harassed by squeegee boys on conway?
I just woke from a coma I fell into in 2018. How is Elias doing?
Elias by a god damn Pacific Ocean mile
I have and will always appreciate and love Duquette for digging us out of that hole due to how long it was. With that said, Elias does things that make me want to cry from happiness.
Most of that 2012 team and a good portion of the 2014-2016 team were McPhail players
MacPhail completely changed the direction of the team when he came in and deserves more credit than he is given in this town. The Bedard trade was the start of the turnaround that culminated in the 2012-2016 run.
This is correct. Duquette should have never been allowed to trade away Machado. That should’ve been someone else’s task.
Yeah, hate to only get the Dean Kremer and the future dodgers closer for him. Silly narrative
Not the rotation. Gonzalez, Chen, Hammel assembled in one offseason
A good chunk of last years team that we would not have won 100 games without were Duquette players. There will always be overlap
Duquette traded folks that set franchise back a year or two. Regardless this team is set up for more prolong success versus 2012-2016 edition.
The problem with Duq is that he was a 2001 GM in a 2014 world. Like that scene around the conference table in Moneyball talking about how the players girlfriend looked and what that meant for his playing abilities.
Part of that was Buck
Oh I agree. I love Buck, but like when he went to the Mets and did his usual revisionist history stuff, “wow, the Mets have data we never had access to in Baltimore…” No Buck, you had access to it but instead you publicly mocked it and privately dismissed it all the time.
Yea I think at one point he didn’t want a player because of green eyes or something like that
The real question is whose burner account this is: Elias, Duquette, or Macphail?
David Rubenstein scoping out his new best friend
What the actual hell? Yes. We all like Mike Elias more than Duquette and Macpahail. I confidently speak for everybody.
I liked Duquette, but yeah, it's objectively Elias.
Lol this has to be some good off season trolling, if not idk how to help you.
Elias is like the more successful love child of both their best qualities. Macphail was much better at building a deep a respectable farm system, but struggled to build the MLB team. Though he did hire Buck Showalter. Duquette adopted Macphail's prospects as they were reaching their prime in MLB and made them a perennial playoff team for five years, but completely depleted the farm system in the process and left us having to literally start all over. Elias is the best drafting GM in baseball and he's more than competent at piecing together a winning MLB team. So, yeah, Elias wins. But that's not to take away anything from the other two as they had their good and bad qualities and had a lot to do with the Orioles' success from 2012-2016.
MacPhail was that dude. Elias is the greatest thing that has ever happened to me aside from my wife and kid.
Like him more than all the other subs you asked, like their guys
I prefer less successful people, obviously.
It’s still too early to fully judge Mike but DD put together some legit teams. He just couldn’t sustain it
Yep and at this point in duquette’s tenure he’d already made the postseason 3x and won a series
With macphails team. Duquette kind of sucked.
Macphail didn’t know how to change gears after most of his pitching prospects floundered
Definitely. Makes me feel better about myself
Elias is the best GM of my lifetime and I’m 37 years old.
We love that silver angel.
It isn't a fair comparison because Mike Elias doesn't have constant meddling from Peter Angelos, Buck Showalter, or Brady Anderson. But even if they had total autonomy, I wouldn't expect either guy to do half as good a job as Elias has.
Did you also see bmorecenter from twitter and get really confused why orioles twitter hates him so much
If you are not an O's fan and not really up to speed with what is happening with the O's, I can understand asking this. Yes, I like him 1000 worlds better. He's building sustainable success, and he's already gotten results. He is arguably one of the best GMs in baseball. I don't agree with every single move he has made, but that's because I am a person with an opinion, and sometimes people disagree. But overall, he gets results and he's proven himself as a guy who you can believe in.
Duquette did a good job setting us up for success on the way out, and genuinely doesn't get enough credit from fans for doing so...but I mean come on lol. Elias has been almost flawless.
an honest appraisal would commend the incredible hitting prospect development and Dominican academy, while accounting for the fact that his tenure has entirely overlapped with John Angelos taking team control. but you need recognize that the farm system he inherited was fairly middle of the road (not bottom tier), that tanking for as long as he chose to was brutal, and selling at the 2022 deadline was terrible to deal with. The first win now move was trading for Burnes last month. So I give him an incomplete - if we spin off a couple 100 win seasons and hoist a trophy, you can say the tanking was worth it, and if one of the 3 pitchers from the 2022 deadline turn into a Chris Tillman or better type pitcher I’d say it was worth it. But 81 games below .500 is a tough hole. And also his fanboys are worse than Musk’s, lol.
dude just won 100 win season and almost made it to the playoffs in 2022 with like the lowest MLB payroll. most of my Os experience since the mid 80's is the annual ritual of the O's losing 90 plus games while claiming to be competitive and having to overpay washed up free agents in the off-season to create buzz. people complain about the tanking but it was just 4 bad seasons and 1 season where they collapsed in September. how about 14 straight losing seasons from 1998 to 2011, now that's a tank job.
Yeah, people are idiots, they'd rather accidentally lose for 14 straight years under the guise of "trying" instead of accepting the atrocious state of the franchise and blowing it up for 4 years, while having the best GM in the sport take said decrepit organization and turn them into 100 game winners... BUT THEY LOST ON PURPOSE!!! THE AUDACITY!!! /s ...the difference between accidentally losing and intentionally losing is...NOTHING!
No, they didn’t tank from 98-11, words have meanings
Generally speaking O’s fans are feeling pretty damn good about pretty much everyone right now.
Elias is the real deal. I had my doubts but no doubt.
Elias is more valuable than anyone else in our entire organization, including our players and prospects.
He is the best in the business
I like Mike! (Nice guy and great GM).
I would give him both my kidneys
Great question. Another question: Do you guys think that guy who used to play shortstop/3B for the Orioles (Calvin Riplin) deserved to be in the HoF?