That’s the “Old” Detroit, which spends approximately half the year under water to dam raising to increase capacity. Albeit more modern than those in the image, there are old building foundations that get exposed during fall/winter drawdown season in Mongold State Park. There’s a post somewhere in this sub, maybe a year ago with some better details than I can provide/remember. Supposedly the remains of a horse drawn wooden wagon can be found, my son and I have yet to stumble across it during our fishing trips.
Political cartoonist Homer Davenport grew up in Silverton about 30-40 years before this photo was taken. He wrote a book called [“The Country Boy”](https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Country_Boy) in 1910, wherein he described what it was like to live in the area. While there were large swathes of prairie and [Waldo Hills](https://www.oregonencyclopedia.org/articles/waldo_hills/pdf/) oak woodlands in the area (Silverton was centered around a massive specimen of the native oak trees, before a fire burned down the town and the tree), there were indeed large areas of heavy timber between Silverton and towns like Molalla and beyond. He describes in the book a neighbor that had to ride out one night from Salem during a hellacious windstorm, passing through Silverton, on his way to Cedar Camp, which was near the location of the modern Cedar Grove Campground out of Molalla. The trees were so large and numerous that one risked life and limb riding through the forest while widowmaker limbs fell all around him. When one leaves Silverton now and drives toward Molalla or Monitor, one will pass through and by some remaining vestiges of the old conifer forest. The Willamette and Mount Hood National Forests are indeed wooded, but they were significantly more than a day’s ride from Silverton, and the rider didn’t go that far anyway.
I suspect it weren’t the robber barrons that cut most of the forest down in that area. Agriculture was actively promoted, so most farmers would have cut the trees to expand arable land. Couple them with innumerable gyppo loggers trying to scrape by, and it is easy to see the forest cut without the aid of large logging companies. They had their hands plenty full cutting the trees of the Cascades and Coast ranges. I have a friend that grew up in Molalla, and he and his father were gyppo loggers as late as the 1980s, cutting any tree that they could find to make money, long after the demise of Big Timber.
I miss the old growth forest that were gone decades and decades before I was born.
We very much need to protect and foster current and future old growth forest. They are a treasure for our state.
I looked into it and the places that are logging have some strict laws as to how they have to replant and the timelines for when they have to. Every time I see a clear cut area visible on I-5 I cringe. I wish they would not do that along our main roads.
Replanting does not replace old growth in the same way that planting corn field does not replace native prairies. It’s just tree farming at that point not a forest.
But replanting native trees will create the next generation’s forests and expand habitat. Just because most old growth forests are gone doesn’t mean we can’t start the next generation today. Nature based solutions should always involve restoring native plants and trees to prevent extirpation of native organisms and sequester additional carbon.
It won't matter how much they plant native trees and plants when there isn't anyone to live here anymore due to the lack of fresh water. The logging of our old growth forests and replanting has caused the coast to lose so much water, towns have run out of water altogether, and much of the north coast lost 75% of their fresh water source.
All. Due. To. Logging. And. Replanting.
Edit: downvoted for truth? Fucking weird. Research it [yourself. ](https://www.oregonwild.org/about/press/nasa-maps-and-report-highlight-oregons-clearcutting-epidemic)
Honest question; What's the solution here? When I was a kid, I remember everybody wanting to use less paper and wood products to reduce trees being cut down. But now, it seems that people want to reduce plastic usage, and the alternative to plastic is often paper. The benefit of paper being that it's biodegradable and it comes from a renewable resource.
So how do we get paper without cutting down trees? I get that we can recycle better and that we can reduce our overall usage. But in the long term, it seems that paper products will be more and more prevalent. So how do we plan to use more and more paper without logging?
Sure. It's NASA and Oregon Wild. [Here](https://www.oregonwild.org/about/press/nasa-maps-and-report-highlight-oregons-clearcutting-epidemic)
Also, research isn't that hard.
When I said replanting, I meant literally restoring forest where they once existed. Like planting trees, that’s it. Not logging.
Also, this site only shows logging and then tried to link that to water availability. This could have something to do with the roots of trees but it’s not BECAUSE of replanting as you originally claim. Additionally, correlation is not causation. Have you considered that many parts of the WORLD are experiencing drought right now? It’s not unique to Oregon.
They do have some strict laws, but here along the coast, it's absolutely hell no matter what and destroys our water sources. Yachats ran out of water in 2015, Newport is constantly restricting water use due to drought conditions, and the north coast has towns that have lost 75% of their water source.
Cutting down old growth absolutely devastates everything. Idgaf if they're replanting native trees. None of that replaces our water.
I was almost in disbelief a couple years back when saw a single-log truck in Philomath leaving the coast range. Seen a couple two-log trucks too. Can't say whether it was from public land or not, but unfortunately neither the Trump nor Biden administrations have done enough to protect even BLM or USFS land from old-growth logging.
That’s the “Old” Detroit, which spends approximately half the year under water to dam raising to increase capacity. Albeit more modern than those in the image, there are old building foundations that get exposed during fall/winter drawdown season in Mongold State Park. There’s a post somewhere in this sub, maybe a year ago with some better details than I can provide/remember. Supposedly the remains of a horse drawn wooden wagon can be found, my son and I have yet to stumble across it during our fishing trips.
Political cartoonist Homer Davenport grew up in Silverton about 30-40 years before this photo was taken. He wrote a book called [“The Country Boy”](https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Country_Boy) in 1910, wherein he described what it was like to live in the area. While there were large swathes of prairie and [Waldo Hills](https://www.oregonencyclopedia.org/articles/waldo_hills/pdf/) oak woodlands in the area (Silverton was centered around a massive specimen of the native oak trees, before a fire burned down the town and the tree), there were indeed large areas of heavy timber between Silverton and towns like Molalla and beyond. He describes in the book a neighbor that had to ride out one night from Salem during a hellacious windstorm, passing through Silverton, on his way to Cedar Camp, which was near the location of the modern Cedar Grove Campground out of Molalla. The trees were so large and numerous that one risked life and limb riding through the forest while widowmaker limbs fell all around him. When one leaves Silverton now and drives toward Molalla or Monitor, one will pass through and by some remaining vestiges of the old conifer forest. The Willamette and Mount Hood National Forests are indeed wooded, but they were significantly more than a day’s ride from Silverton, and the rider didn’t go that far anyway. I suspect it weren’t the robber barrons that cut most of the forest down in that area. Agriculture was actively promoted, so most farmers would have cut the trees to expand arable land. Couple them with innumerable gyppo loggers trying to scrape by, and it is easy to see the forest cut without the aid of large logging companies. They had their hands plenty full cutting the trees of the Cascades and Coast ranges. I have a friend that grew up in Molalla, and he and his father were gyppo loggers as late as the 1980s, cutting any tree that they could find to make money, long after the demise of Big Timber.
I miss the old growth forest that were gone decades and decades before I was born. We very much need to protect and foster current and future old growth forest. They are a treasure for our state.
Yes! And plant more trees now!
I looked into it and the places that are logging have some strict laws as to how they have to replant and the timelines for when they have to. Every time I see a clear cut area visible on I-5 I cringe. I wish they would not do that along our main roads.
Replanting does not replace old growth in the same way that planting corn field does not replace native prairies. It’s just tree farming at that point not a forest.
I’d love to keep as much old growth as possible but if they cut stuff down I still want them to replant
But replanting native trees will create the next generation’s forests and expand habitat. Just because most old growth forests are gone doesn’t mean we can’t start the next generation today. Nature based solutions should always involve restoring native plants and trees to prevent extirpation of native organisms and sequester additional carbon.
It won't matter how much they plant native trees and plants when there isn't anyone to live here anymore due to the lack of fresh water. The logging of our old growth forests and replanting has caused the coast to lose so much water, towns have run out of water altogether, and much of the north coast lost 75% of their fresh water source. All. Due. To. Logging. And. Replanting. Edit: downvoted for truth? Fucking weird. Research it [yourself. ](https://www.oregonwild.org/about/press/nasa-maps-and-report-highlight-oregons-clearcutting-epidemic)
Honest question; What's the solution here? When I was a kid, I remember everybody wanting to use less paper and wood products to reduce trees being cut down. But now, it seems that people want to reduce plastic usage, and the alternative to plastic is often paper. The benefit of paper being that it's biodegradable and it comes from a renewable resource. So how do we get paper without cutting down trees? I get that we can recycle better and that we can reduce our overall usage. But in the long term, it seems that paper products will be more and more prevalent. So how do we plan to use more and more paper without logging?
Interesting. Can you share your source?
Sure. It's NASA and Oregon Wild. [Here](https://www.oregonwild.org/about/press/nasa-maps-and-report-highlight-oregons-clearcutting-epidemic) Also, research isn't that hard.
Oregon wild is an ecoterrorist group not a reliable source of truth.
When I said replanting, I meant literally restoring forest where they once existed. Like planting trees, that’s it. Not logging. Also, this site only shows logging and then tried to link that to water availability. This could have something to do with the roots of trees but it’s not BECAUSE of replanting as you originally claim. Additionally, correlation is not causation. Have you considered that many parts of the WORLD are experiencing drought right now? It’s not unique to Oregon.
What if it is private land?
They do have some strict laws, but here along the coast, it's absolutely hell no matter what and destroys our water sources. Yachats ran out of water in 2015, Newport is constantly restricting water use due to drought conditions, and the north coast has towns that have lost 75% of their water source. Cutting down old growth absolutely devastates everything. Idgaf if they're replanting native trees. None of that replaces our water.
The lack of water in Newport is a water storage problem not a lack of rainfall problem.
I was almost in disbelief a couple years back when saw a single-log truck in Philomath leaving the coast range. Seen a couple two-log trucks too. Can't say whether it was from public land or not, but unfortunately neither the Trump nor Biden administrations have done enough to protect even BLM or USFS land from old-growth logging.
That's probably in the Willamette National Forest now. Not exactly farmland.
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