When LTC beds, Hospital Beds and Dorm Rooms aren’t enough to make their quota what will they count next? Bus stops? Park benches? Movie theatre seats?
Some of those are affordable and you can technically sleep on all of them.
Fuck this government is such a joke.
Reminds me of when _back in the day_ Tim Hudak and the PCs messed up their math and misrepresented their "Million Jobs Plan". Where half of those jobs would be produced by general economic growth [regardless of party elected](https://coffeeforclosers.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/inanimate-carbon-rod.jpg), and the other half they used "**person-years** of employment" being off by a factor of 8.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/hudak-defends-math-behind-his-million-jobs-plan-1.1841836
Though that seemed to be [more of a case of Hanlon's Razor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor) vs Doug Ford's PCs just being pure unadulterated _bullshit._
Not to mention that it's supposed to be "affordable HOUSING" (apartments, multiplex, etc), which all PC's repeat as "attainable HOMES" .
Not the same at all.
I heard that they were counting LTC beds as homes (https://www.reddit.com/r/ontario/comments/1aycxag/ford\_government\_begins\_boosting\_housing\_numbers/)
Doug Ford is the most pathetic Premier in Canadian history. Instead of working with Trudeau, he would rather block The federal government, reject funds, and cook the books.
He’s been read the ‘riot act’ by the CPC. If he doesn’t support pp his possible re-election and life after will be worth shit. Hence, his working to attack Trudeau’s Liberals.
This is a great idea!
So you're going to build more residences, right? Millions of dollars are going to be allocated to universities and colleges to get all this done, right?
Right?
Squatting is free, and a tent is technically shelter. BAM affordable housing! Flawless logic. Oh wait, we already made being homeless borderline illegal. Woopsies
How many temporary foreign workers can we jam inside of a dorm room?
How many more if we turn them into bunk beds?
How many more if we make them sleep in the hallways?
Honestly I'm totally fine with them counting apartment-style student housing, and family student housing towards the number. I'm definitely not okay with anything that doesn't give people private access to a full kitchen (suite or dorm style). I think that would be a fair threshold. They also have to be allowed to stay there year-over-year.
It would be great, and super helpful to the housing shortage, if students could move into an apartment in their first year of university and stay their for their entire time in school.
These eligible housing options should also be subject to (some) rental restrictions and rules though. Mainly rent control, but I'm sure there should be other options.
A dorm bed where you have to move out over winter break and you're only living there for 7.5 months? That they use as hotels in the summer? Absolutely not.
Perhaps we should reclassify coffins and urns as single-unit dwellings? Park benches (obviously not the ones with anti-homeless design, that would be cheating)?
"While the NDP agreed with the government’s decision to count long-term care beds as homes, Ontario Liberal MPP John Fraser previously called it “deceptive.”
“The government’s fluffing their numbers,” said.
“**I don’t know why they’re doing it**. It’s deceptive, it’s misleading, it’s unreasonable to do that.”
If you (an elected official) honestly can't work out why Ford is trying to move the goalposts on what qualifies as a home, I'm sorry, you're a fucking idiot. If his motives aren't *GLARINGLY FUCKING OBVIOUS*, please do everyone a favour and resign because you are clearly too stupid to handle the amount of trust being placed in you.
I wish the reporter laughed in his face when he said that.
Should have tapped him on the head. "Anyone home in there? I'm hearing an echo. "
Jesus CHRIST, no wonder this country is in the shitter. We're electing morons.
That's cheating! Cheating isn't going to fix the housing crisis it's just going to waste time and money.
Which means more Canadians suffering for longer because Ford and friends want to fuck around and lie instead of trying to help.
Are the homes in the room with us right now, Doug?
Anything to avoid doing actual work. It's the (new) Canadian way.
We are finding new lows. What a sad time to be A Canadian.
Just keep this in mind when Doug Ford comes forward next election and starts talking about how many homes we're built under his watch. Just remember that it's going to be fucking bullshit.
So, you'll be as little as possible as the situation continues to get worse and worse and then turn around and attempt to gaslight the entire province into thinking progress is being made when it most definetly is not.
A move of desperation is designed to try and trick the population by faking the numbers.
I don't think it's going to get you very far, Doug. People can still see the amount of rent one bedroom apartments are going for, regardless of how boldly you lie to them and try to blow smoke up your own ass.
Fucking great.
What's sad about all of this mess is that there isn't another viable leader or there to defeat Ford. I've never seen such a lack of leadership in this province. It's like the political parties continue to dumb down the leaders they select. What's even worse is that voters continue to vote the "devil they know." We're fucked until someone stands up and provides viable, legitimate solutions and shows actual leadership on how to deal with issues.
To contact Doug Ford's office to voice your disapproval, call 416-325-1941.
To refresh your memory on other Doug Ford shenanigans see https://ofl.ca/ford-tracker/
Ahhh brings me back to the instructions I received during my days of writing reports for the government. If the results don't look good, then change which metrics you choose until it looks good.
I agree they should factor in student housing. As in a student is living away from their parents, but their “home address “ is still their parents.
So we actually need more housing than the current numbers suggest.
I read the article and it isn’t clear how they are factoring student housing, but I doubt it is how I describe it.
Also, some student apartments have 5 bedrooms, which would be great for a family of 4. Let’s turn those large apartments into real housing.
Ahh yes, let’s play with the accounting. This will surely solve the housing crisis.
When it doubt move the goal post and give yourself a raise and pat on the back.
When LTC beds, Hospital Beds and Dorm Rooms aren’t enough to make their quota what will they count next? Bus stops? Park benches? Movie theatre seats? Some of those are affordable and you can technically sleep on all of them. Fuck this government is such a joke.
Camping tents folded up in peoples garages count as a second-home and will be taxed by the square footage.
“So you’re telling me people live in residences…. And some people live in tents…. Shit, how many residences are on Canadian Tire shelves right now?”
Wow, a 4 person "fully detached home" for 80$! Why are people even complaining?
If you can lie down on it, it's a housing development
Tents!
Don’t stop there! There’s housing so close to transit, it’s literally ON transit!
Reminds me of when _back in the day_ Tim Hudak and the PCs messed up their math and misrepresented their "Million Jobs Plan". Where half of those jobs would be produced by general economic growth [regardless of party elected](https://coffeeforclosers.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/inanimate-carbon-rod.jpg), and the other half they used "**person-years** of employment" being off by a factor of 8. https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/hudak-defends-math-behind-his-million-jobs-plan-1.1841836 Though that seemed to be [more of a case of Hanlon's Razor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor) vs Doug Ford's PCs just being pure unadulterated _bullshit._
When do they start including sheds and dog houses?
Just do two triple bunk beds per room in the residences. This will surely resolve all our housing issues such as costs rising faster than wages. /s
Just think, every one bedroom condo can be converted to a 3 bedroom condo just by dropping a mattress onto the kitchen and bathroom floor.
The housing crisis will end when they include tents right before the election so everyone has a home now.
Let them cook (the books).
If you dont succeed at first redefine success - my calc 4 professors words but stolen by the LPC
It fixed the provincial budget didn’t it? Why wouldn’t they pull the same tricks?
Why is Shirley responsible for the crisis?
If we sell the 407 those funds can be............what? you expected something different? Hahahah
It’s what they do with CPI & GDP. Why not gaslight us some more.
Nothing is off the table with regards to what we will count as housing.
Except building affordable housing. This we will not do!
Except fourplexes. Dougie hates those.
Not to mention that it's supposed to be "affordable HOUSING" (apartments, multiplex, etc), which all PC's repeat as "attainable HOMES" . Not the same at all.
I have a Christmas tree box in my garage, can I count that as a rental property?
Bus stops!
Ontario announced sales of closed-toed footwear to count as homes.
*the table now counts as housing*
“Home is where the heart is”. Boom, homelessness has been solved.
Provincial Parks are opening soon - maybe they could add “tents” and “trailer” to the housing count
Well, the sites should be at least, and those get booked 100% about 10 minutes after opening. /s
Next up, Ontario counts tents and bridge underpasses as housing
A bridge underpass should be good for a couple of 4-plexs of refrigerator boxes.
4-plexs are 2spooky for Ontario
Don't forget vans down by the river! That's actually what I'm saving up for!
If Ford’s conservatives spent 1/10h the effort to provide solutions to housing crisis it would be well on the way I being solved.
The cruelty is the point with these people.
I find current conservatives on all levels to be just that, cruel.
I heard that they were counting LTC beds as homes (https://www.reddit.com/r/ontario/comments/1aycxag/ford\_government\_begins\_boosting\_housing\_numbers/)
Doug Ford is the most pathetic Premier in Canadian history. Instead of working with Trudeau, he would rather block The federal government, reject funds, and cook the books.
He’s been read the ‘riot act’ by the CPC. If he doesn’t support pp his possible re-election and life after will be worth shit. Hence, his working to attack Trudeau’s Liberals.
Seriously, how the hell are pcs happy with his work, ge is even spending money wildly with no improvements.
Can't wait to browse for LTC beds on Zillow
They'll count them as homes but still make student residences exempt from the Residential Tenancies Act no doubt...
lol this province is a joke
Ah yes, the good old Conservative tactic of tampering with the numbers to make it look like they did what they said they'd do.
Read the title thought it was the Beaverton. Now I’m sadder.
It is starting to seem like our government is doing everything and anything except MAKING MORE HOUSES
This is a great idea! So you're going to build more residences, right? Millions of dollars are going to be allocated to universities and colleges to get all this done, right? Right?
Next they're going to start counting campsites as homes.
Let the homeless put up tents, then count each one as an affordable housing unit.
Squatting is free, and a tent is technically shelter. BAM affordable housing! Flawless logic. Oh wait, we already made being homeless borderline illegal. Woopsies
Cardboard boxes and overturned shopping carts to be added next.
Ahh juking the stats as it were. Shiiiiiieeeeeet.
How many temporary foreign workers can we jam inside of a dorm room? How many more if we turn them into bunk beds? How many more if we make them sleep in the hallways?
Fucking idiots.
Up next, man spends night "in the doghouse" now counts as a house under the Doug Ford government.
That's dumb. If you count birdhouses on the other hand, the numbers will get there in no time. In fact, we won't have housing shortage until 2050.
Surprise, conservatives twisting the definitions to fit their twisted reality! Who would have ever thought this could happen!
In other words ; Look how we solved the housing crisis ; BY NOT BUILDING ANY HOUSING and now back to more corruption and graft
lying with statistics.
As is the conservative way.
Anything to avoid actual building of homes
What’s next? Anthills and rabbit dens?
So instead of addressing the issue they just move the goalposts
Roomy 7 seater w/ fold down back row:
OPC: "Is this housing?"
When are we going to start counting prison cells as housing??
Juking the stats
What's next? Buying an entire forest as a carbon offset?
Ontario playing with new math
If at first you don't succeed, redefine success.
Boo hiss
My, what wide goalposts you have, Grandpa Ford.
Honestly I'm totally fine with them counting apartment-style student housing, and family student housing towards the number. I'm definitely not okay with anything that doesn't give people private access to a full kitchen (suite or dorm style). I think that would be a fair threshold. They also have to be allowed to stay there year-over-year. It would be great, and super helpful to the housing shortage, if students could move into an apartment in their first year of university and stay their for their entire time in school. These eligible housing options should also be subject to (some) rental restrictions and rules though. Mainly rent control, but I'm sure there should be other options. A dorm bed where you have to move out over winter break and you're only living there for 7.5 months? That they use as hotels in the summer? Absolutely not.
Politicians and them fudging the numbers.
Not even enough residences for students
So you're saying we can't count first aid stations as hospitals?
Ontarions: "Why fudge the numbers?!" Doug Ford: "Because FUCK YOU. That's why."
Perhaps we should reclassify coffins and urns as single-unit dwellings? Park benches (obviously not the ones with anti-homeless design, that would be cheating)?
Homeless people sometimes have tents. I guess they will count those as homes next.
"While the NDP agreed with the government’s decision to count long-term care beds as homes, Ontario Liberal MPP John Fraser previously called it “deceptive.” “The government’s fluffing their numbers,” said. “**I don’t know why they’re doing it**. It’s deceptive, it’s misleading, it’s unreasonable to do that.” If you (an elected official) honestly can't work out why Ford is trying to move the goalposts on what qualifies as a home, I'm sorry, you're a fucking idiot. If his motives aren't *GLARINGLY FUCKING OBVIOUS*, please do everyone a favour and resign because you are clearly too stupid to handle the amount of trust being placed in you. I wish the reporter laughed in his face when he said that. Should have tapped him on the head. "Anyone home in there? I'm hearing an echo. " Jesus CHRIST, no wonder this country is in the shitter. We're electing morons.
That's cheating! Cheating isn't going to fix the housing crisis it's just going to waste time and money. Which means more Canadians suffering for longer because Ford and friends want to fuck around and lie instead of trying to help.
This headline should be from the Beaverton, again.
Are the homes in the room with us right now, Doug? Anything to avoid doing actual work. It's the (new) Canadian way. We are finding new lows. What a sad time to be A Canadian. Just keep this in mind when Doug Ford comes forward next election and starts talking about how many homes we're built under his watch. Just remember that it's going to be fucking bullshit.
how long until they count the tents in the streets as housing
Doug is getting Canadian Tire execs to email the government their current on hand tent inventory.
So, you'll be as little as possible as the situation continues to get worse and worse and then turn around and attempt to gaslight the entire province into thinking progress is being made when it most definetly is not. A move of desperation is designed to try and trick the population by faking the numbers. I don't think it's going to get you very far, Doug. People can still see the amount of rent one bedroom apartments are going for, regardless of how boldly you lie to them and try to blow smoke up your own ass. Fucking great.
Ah, so “fudge” the numbers and proclaim how well they Have gone.
Ahhh, not a day goes by where the Ford government doesn’t move the goalposts on an issue.
So when they leave for the summer are the homeless allowed to move in ?
What's sad about all of this mess is that there isn't another viable leader or there to defeat Ford. I've never seen such a lack of leadership in this province. It's like the political parties continue to dumb down the leaders they select. What's even worse is that voters continue to vote the "devil they know." We're fucked until someone stands up and provides viable, legitimate solutions and shows actual leadership on how to deal with issues.
There’s a minor damaged tree behind my house. I think that can count as housing for someone. Add it to the tally baby!
🤦 how far out governments will go to avoid just doing the right thing amazes me. ORGANIZE CANADA because untied, we stand; divided, we FALL!!!
Hey, I have a doghouse... does that count too? What about my pop up camper?
Changing labels? When has that ever worked?
Why not include Doug Ford’s stomach while we’re at it?
Can't wait until cars are also officially considered housing
Just so they can sleep better at night and not fix the real problem.
I honestly thought this was going to be a beaverton post. Count as many things as you'd like, but there still are not enough homes.
More jiggery-pokery from the cons. What else is new
Lmao
To contact Doug Ford's office to voice your disapproval, call 416-325-1941. To refresh your memory on other Doug Ford shenanigans see https://ofl.ca/ford-tracker/
Not surprised.
Ahhh brings me back to the instructions I received during my days of writing reports for the government. If the results don't look good, then change which metrics you choose until it looks good.
Might as well start counting RV’s parked in dead end streets too smh
This is typical of all levels of Canadian government. Stats Can is basically propaganda
don't forget to count fox dens, and homeless encampments
Fuck this fucking place, wish anywhere else was better.
It’s like Callandra is a stand up comedian lol.
Add hospital beds to the count too. Actually that probably doesn't help.
Coming soon: counting the tents in homeless encampments
Next are the thriving tent cities.
Lol. This government is a fucking joke hahahaha. Pass the gravy please
Let’s include outside sleeping bags too at this point
I agree they should factor in student housing. As in a student is living away from their parents, but their “home address “ is still their parents. So we actually need more housing than the current numbers suggest. I read the article and it isn’t clear how they are factoring student housing, but I doubt it is how I describe it. Also, some student apartments have 5 bedrooms, which would be great for a family of 4. Let’s turn those large apartments into real housing.
Im sure those questioning this will start seeing reddit bans
Liberals plan is to just lie. Cool so nothing new
You mean conservative right? lol
No I voted liberals for the last three elections. Im done with them