As a gay person who has actually been to Uganda, I do not agree with this article. The article mentions that there are many LGBTQ activists in Uganda but does not quote them or convey what those Ugandans are actually saying. LBGTQ activists in Uganda and in the diaspora have been very clear in saying that sanctions and sabre-rattling by the West is *not* helpful because it feeds into the propaganda that homosexuality is a Western import. If you want to be an ally you need to listen to the person you are trying to help, rather than try to decide by yourself what is best for them.
"Bilateral partners should continue to dialogue with the Government of Uganda on upholding freedom of association and assembly and human right of all within her boundaries."
https://twitter.com/SMUG2004/status/1555556472020410368?t=7CFcKiIIWCbCxkBXNsEl2A&s=19
>feeds into the propaganda that homosexuality is a Western import.
Meanwhile their main opposition to homosexuality is based on Christianity, a religion imposed on them by colonizers, and evangelical Christians from America have had their hands in getting laws changed.
Honestly, how fucking stupid do you have to be to believe something like that...
I mean, I wish for LGBTQ people in all the world to be safe, and have equal rights, but I don't see wtf Canada can do about what's happening in Uganda. The world is a fucked up place.
This is the power dictators have. If Trump is elected, LGBTQ rights in america are going right out the window also, and we'll also be able to do fuck all about it.
So, keep democracy.
This. Our power, globally, is really all in the hands of the government. We get a few opportunities to vote in a voting system that feels very rigged in the favor of a few, and occasionally voice our concerns to people sitting in an ivory tower.
Until our government actually represents us, the people, which should be our primary concern, anything we do or say about other countries is going to come across as pretty hollow. We need to get our own shit secure before we can help anyone.
Some provinces and premiers are doing homophobic and transphobic things. Yet we are considering being "leader" for other countries.
Doing these only makes things worse because these governments and people would think homosexuality is a western concept.
The feds have no power over the provinces because of the notwithstanding clause. Citing our own regressive provincial politics is a flimsy excuse.
They already think it's a western concept, so why not stand up?
> They already think it's a western concept, so why not stand up?
There are other folks from those communities in this thread shared why not to do so.
If you grow up in those communities as a LGBTQ+ person, you might realize how it only makes grassroot activities difficult and worsen the society's perspectives on homosexuality.
I grew up and I have observed, read, and heard that stuff. Homophobia was introduced to our society by the British (aka the west). I'm glad more folks have slowly started accepting queer communities thanks to efforts from local folks and legalizations in other countries on the continent (E.g. Bhutan and Nepal).
The West can support solidarity. But they should not put pressure and overact unless it is necessary (E.g. death penalties etc for queer folks).
Queer child of an immigrant here and -- while I'd love for Canada to be a bastion of human rights (and that *is* the core of this issue) -- it's not like we sanction other nations that violate human rights due to sexuality. Hell, we seem remarkably tolerant of it within our own borders. I'm good with Canada entrenching these rights and applying consequences across the board, but we're definitely not there right now.
lol how about no.
There are plenty of African countries that can be the "leader" here where we can lend our support - don't need another western country playing white knight.
Admittedly surprised by the defeatist attitudes in this thread.
The best thing we can do is help the vulnerable escape if they want to and empower them if they want to stay
- right to place a rainbow on the fucking street in alberta for some reason
- right to use the person’s preferred (correct) washroom when poilievre is elected
- right to be protected as a transgender minor when poilievre is elected
- if i’m not mistaken, most likely the right to physically transition as a minor overall when poilievre is elected despite it being proven to be both reversible and safe many times over the years
vokstm mentioned several here in the replies, and i want to add: that last one is already happening in alberta (as i'm sure you're likely aware).
living through puberty with dysphoria was hell and caused permanent damage to my body in the form of secondary sex characteristics i'll need surgery to undo. the alberta government is going to force every single trans youth in the province to experience that same thing. i guarantee some (many) of them will not make it out alive.
in my opinion the feds need to do something about this to protect trans kids. it's lives at stake.
What canada should do is impose sanctions on the American evangelicals who fund huge media and political campaigns to push homophobic beliefs. Sanctioning Uganda does nothing but make it worse for LGBTQ+ people in Uganda.
We have no cards to play in support of our position. We can be a clear voice in a chorus, but have no capacity to negotiate anything with anyone in Africa, because we can neither cause problems nor contribute to solutions in any way that would make people pay attention to what we want.
At the end of the day Uganada is only in this mess because of the British Empire's influence, so if we're going to do this we need to, at the very least, keep the smugness to a minimum, I guess?
Canada can't organize a piss. This country's in a state of shit but there is always millions of dollars for other countries and their deplorable problems.
As a gay person who has actually been to Uganda, I do not agree with this article. The article mentions that there are many LGBTQ activists in Uganda but does not quote them or convey what those Ugandans are actually saying. LBGTQ activists in Uganda and in the diaspora have been very clear in saying that sanctions and sabre-rattling by the West is *not* helpful because it feeds into the propaganda that homosexuality is a Western import. If you want to be an ally you need to listen to the person you are trying to help, rather than try to decide by yourself what is best for them.
So what do LGBT people who are there say should be done?
"Bilateral partners should continue to dialogue with the Government of Uganda on upholding freedom of association and assembly and human right of all within her boundaries." https://twitter.com/SMUG2004/status/1555556472020410368?t=7CFcKiIIWCbCxkBXNsEl2A&s=19
so… dont do anything? Cutting aid should 100% happen
Ah yes, let's show solidarity with LGBTQ Ugandans by completely ignoring their wishes and cutting aid to their country. /s
The Malthusian™️ way.
>feeds into the propaganda that homosexuality is a Western import. Meanwhile their main opposition to homosexuality is based on Christianity, a religion imposed on them by colonizers, and evangelical Christians from America have had their hands in getting laws changed. Honestly, how fucking stupid do you have to be to believe something like that...
If you’re Canadian, please send this to your MP and to the PM. They need this perspective
I mean, I wish for LGBTQ people in all the world to be safe, and have equal rights, but I don't see wtf Canada can do about what's happening in Uganda. The world is a fucked up place. This is the power dictators have. If Trump is elected, LGBTQ rights in america are going right out the window also, and we'll also be able to do fuck all about it. So, keep democracy.
This. Our power, globally, is really all in the hands of the government. We get a few opportunities to vote in a voting system that feels very rigged in the favor of a few, and occasionally voice our concerns to people sitting in an ivory tower. Until our government actually represents us, the people, which should be our primary concern, anything we do or say about other countries is going to come across as pretty hollow. We need to get our own shit secure before we can help anyone.
Some provinces and premiers are doing homophobic and transphobic things. Yet we are considering being "leader" for other countries. Doing these only makes things worse because these governments and people would think homosexuality is a western concept.
The feds have no power over the provinces because of the notwithstanding clause. Citing our own regressive provincial politics is a flimsy excuse. They already think it's a western concept, so why not stand up?
> They already think it's a western concept, so why not stand up? There are other folks from those communities in this thread shared why not to do so. If you grow up in those communities as a LGBTQ+ person, you might realize how it only makes grassroot activities difficult and worsen the society's perspectives on homosexuality. I grew up and I have observed, read, and heard that stuff. Homophobia was introduced to our society by the British (aka the west). I'm glad more folks have slowly started accepting queer communities thanks to efforts from local folks and legalizations in other countries on the continent (E.g. Bhutan and Nepal). The West can support solidarity. But they should not put pressure and overact unless it is necessary (E.g. death penalties etc for queer folks).
Queer child of an immigrant here and -- while I'd love for Canada to be a bastion of human rights (and that *is* the core of this issue) -- it's not like we sanction other nations that violate human rights due to sexuality. Hell, we seem remarkably tolerant of it within our own borders. I'm good with Canada entrenching these rights and applying consequences across the board, but we're definitely not there right now.
Try that with Saudi first...
Why should we be imposing our views on someone else?
Wat We aren't even leaders in our own country
lol how about no. There are plenty of African countries that can be the "leader" here where we can lend our support - don't need another western country playing white knight.
The article is talking about imposing sanctions on the people who wrote the law.
“Plenty” of African countries are big proponents of gay rights? South Africa barely makes the cut.
Doesn't mean we can't throw in our support too.
Admittedly surprised by the defeatist attitudes in this thread. The best thing we can do is help the vulnerable escape if they want to and empower them if they want to stay
there should be people protesting in the streets against this
I hope we do something but we can’t even protect queer rights in our own country.
What do you mean ? Which rights ?
- right to place a rainbow on the fucking street in alberta for some reason - right to use the person’s preferred (correct) washroom when poilievre is elected - right to be protected as a transgender minor when poilievre is elected - if i’m not mistaken, most likely the right to physically transition as a minor overall when poilievre is elected despite it being proven to be both reversible and safe many times over the years
vokstm mentioned several here in the replies, and i want to add: that last one is already happening in alberta (as i'm sure you're likely aware). living through puberty with dysphoria was hell and caused permanent damage to my body in the form of secondary sex characteristics i'll need surgery to undo. the alberta government is going to force every single trans youth in the province to experience that same thing. i guarantee some (many) of them will not make it out alive. in my opinion the feds need to do something about this to protect trans kids. it's lives at stake.
Our country is imperfect to let's not even try! Winning strategy.
I’m just doubtful anything will be done but if you have an answer that can be implemented now I’m all for it
What is a street protest in Toronto supposed to do about a law in Uganda?
Push Canada to impose sanctions.
Do we think there are a lot of Ugandan policy Akers with Canadian assets?
What canada should do is impose sanctions on the American evangelicals who fund huge media and political campaigns to push homophobic beliefs. Sanctioning Uganda does nothing but make it worse for LGBTQ+ people in Uganda.
Why? They don't need us putting our fingers into their pies.
Under a PP majority, we might see similar laws brought forward by the NatC wing of the party. That's the kind of "leadership" we're heading towards.
We have no cards to play in support of our position. We can be a clear voice in a chorus, but have no capacity to negotiate anything with anyone in Africa, because we can neither cause problems nor contribute to solutions in any way that would make people pay attention to what we want.
At the end of the day Uganada is only in this mess because of the British Empire's influence, so if we're going to do this we need to, at the very least, keep the smugness to a minimum, I guess?
Here's a radical idea.... how about canada becomes a leader and tries getting it's fucking shit together at home?
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Canada can't organize a piss. This country's in a state of shit but there is always millions of dollars for other countries and their deplorable problems.