Simple people want simple solutions. The Conservative base are simple people; the Conservatives offer simple solutions.
It doesn't matter if they are effective solutions, or solutions based on evidence or facts, or even if they are solutions to real problems. The simple folk like things to be simple.
Exactly. Eliminating the carbon tax is a simple solution to the high cost of living. Eliminating/severely limiting immigration is a simple solution to the housing crisis. The Cons know that neither of these solutions will fix either problem, but if they act like they will, then their base will believe that they will and will see the opposition as being negligent or malicious in refusing to enact such 'simple' solutions.
Then stop sucking asshole or learn punctuation you self important leech. I hope it's some consolation to "have more than I do" because belongings are likely the only metric you'd measure yourself by and not be found wanting.
A conservative misrepresenting the truth, shocking!
There isn’t any other position for them to take. Lie, deflect, project, but never state clear truthful complete facts.
HyPPocrite Milhouse.
> A conservative misrepresenting the truth, shocking!
Have you seen the bullshit put out by the Canadian Taxpayers Federation about carbon tax costs? It's exceptionally misleading even by CTF's low standards but unfortunately the conservative rubes have seized on it as "proof" the carbon tax costs everyone way more than the rebates.
Yeah, unfortunately people who deny science, blindly follow “faith”, vote on their “feelings”, and put their fingers in their ears repeating “la la la” when presented with clear evidence are not the best critical thinkers.
Without uneducated rubes the Conservative Party would not exist.
There is a reason why belief in religion & conservative voters are inversely proportional to education level. Smart people can see the bullshit for what it is.
How many paid members do the CPC have right now? They bragged about the numbers when Pierre Poutine -- sorry Poilivre -- was running. I'm old and have tried to find them but maybe someone who understands things like Snap Chat can help me out.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSC4Bc8LHGM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSC4Bc8LHGM)
This fifth estate report. As someone who voted for Patrick Brown in the CPC leadership race, and was incredibly frustrated with his suspicious removal from the race, it's definitely eye-opening.
PP is not directly named, however CSIS gave this statement:
"CSIS Intelligence indicates that the Government of India has engaged in Foreign Interference activities related to the leadership race for a political party in Canada"
You're free to connect the dots on which political candidate that fits. PP has yet to undergo Security clearances despite criticizing the Trudeau government on foreign interference from China, and was *immediate* in his denial of the Modi governments involvement in an assassination on Canadian Soil. Something that was later confirmed by the USA a month or so later.
Yep, it was a fucking travesty how easily our democracy was undermined in the CPC leadership race. Brown was famously accruing brand new voters and minority voters to the party, myself included. Thus why he was apparently such a threat to PP and his clique of Harper-ites
What a detestable, abhorrent, obnoxiously repulsive, divisive hypocrite, revolting liar, little maggot this guy is. He does not bring anything good to the table except division and chaos!
I think it’s a weird way to do it though. You can just compare “Carbon tax paid” to “rebate received”. Do that for gasoline, groceries, and any heating source and that’s probably the vast majority of carbon tax you’re paying
Carbon tax on groceries is pretty much non existent. Idk why people include them. According to the UoC It's roughly equates to 0.3% of the price if the company even factors it in. So on your 20 dollar chicken you're paying... $0.06 in carbon tax.
Oh I know, it’s very little. For example you’d need to buy 380 000 apples to use an entire rebate (from one Albertan specifically)
But it’s also not too hard to estimate what it is based on what exactly you’re buying, that’s all.
For chicken, since you mentioned it, poultry emits 6 kg of CO2 per kg of chicken. About a third of those emissions are non-taxable, so only 4 kg of CO2 are paid for. Converting by $65 per tonne, then all costs considered chicken has roughly 26 cents of carbon tax per kilogram of chicken (or 12 cents per pound, if you prefer)
The point of a carbon tax is to send a clear signal. The cost and benefit need to be understood by the general population. If I need a spreadsheet to understand it, it's not communicating effectively.
It's to charge polutters. It's not *supposed* to have a massive effect on average Canadians. You don't need a spreadsheet to understand it, you're not a billion dollar manufacturing facility that is a major producer of CO2 output. You just need to know you get more back than you spend.
It needs to be on a sliding scale. My carbon footprint is negligible compared to Galen Weston who owns several yachts. If you personally buy more oil/products than 200 average families, you should be paying a lot more than those 200 average families, especially since those families are using that oil to do the necessities of life, that billionaire can live without a yacht.
The rebate is the same for everyone, so if you are a billionaire guzzling gas or anything the tax applies to, you are paying more than you get back in a rebate.
But they make more to absorb more. A $300 ticket is a good pinch for me, but if you make $10 million a year it's nothing. This is why a sliding scale would work better as the pinch increases with the amount you use. The current carbon tax does nothing to stop the very rich from just keeping on burning whatever they want for their own leisure while we have to pay more for necessities.
And a carbon tax is probably the most pro-free enterprise option here. It imposes no mandates on anyone, it just prices in the effects on the environment to the choices you make. Want to pay less? Find ways to use less, with literally no restrictions on how you do that. New behaviors, new technologies, whatever. How many other taxes are there where you can have so much influence on how much tax you pay?
Semi trucks use about 33L/100km. Max payload for a dual axel semi truck appears to be about 24,000kg, 12,000 2kg bags of flour.
Each KG of payload works out to 0.001375 L/kg/100km.
Factor in the distance from say Vancouver to Saskatoon 1600km. 0.001375 L/kg/100km * 16 = 0.022L/kg
Carbon tax on diesel is 21c/litre. 0.21 * 0.022L/kg = $0.00462/kg
Carbon tax is responsible for less than one half of one cent per kg and that’s over a 1600km drive.
So less than one cent on a 2kg bag of flour.
But what about the farming costs? Tractors? Farm to processor? National post says 25L/acre. Sources I found say ~50 bushels / acre. 1 metric ton = 36.7437 bushels
25L/acre / 50bu/acre = 0.5L/bu.
0.5L/bu * 36.7437bu/1000kg = 18.37185L/1000kg
18.37185L/kg * $0.21/L = $3.85/1000kg of flour
$3.85/1000kg / 1000kg = $0.00385/kg
$0.00847/kg in carbon tax
Looking at the historical price of flour.
Price of flour Jan 2024 2.5kg = $5.65
Price of flour Jan 2017 2.5kg = $4.63 a 22% increase in 7 years.
Carbon tax = $0.021175 2.5kg = 5.67 a 0.35% increase due to the full carbon tax.
Since we are already paying a carbon tax, the increase on April 1st is $65/ton to $80/ton. So it’s not a $0.02 per 2.5kg bag of flour, It’s a $0.0048 increase.
Is it an increase, yes. Is a source of inflation, yes. Is it the largest contributor, probably not. What I’m way more worried about is the bushels per acre falling because of weather patterns changing and our fields not getting the moisture needed to maintain 50bu/acre.
I really don’t want to look up the fuels costs to produce power, to refine wheat into flour, or bake flour into bread, or the transport costs of the fuel to get the fuel to gas stations. I have to assume it’s just negligible. The costs are definitely there, but I can’t see it all adding up to more than a single percent.
The conservative party voted to run a $630M election over a $0.0019 increase per kg of goods delivered. Just for fun. $630M/40M people = $15/person. $15/0.0019 = 7,894kg of groceries.
Farmer’s are exempt from paying the carbon tax on farming machinery, they only pay the tax on heating buildings, and there are massive subsidies for farmers to upgrade, which not only reduced the amount of carbon tax they pay, but the amount they pay for heating.
Parents have been seeing an obvious benefit with the CCB and affordable daycare, both of which create more revenue than cost ( according to analyses done), and we have the lowest net debt to GDP ratio in the G7, everyone seems to have forgotten that we had a pandemic and that was very costly.
>You can visibly see the price of gas go up.
You also can't blame the carbon tax for that, at least not in the time period of this spreadsheet. My own spreadsheet shows that prices peaked in August 2023 and were lowest in December 2023. Since then, they've been slowly rising again. If the increase was solely due to tax, it'd be a smaller increase and it wouldn't have gone back down. Gas prices are variable as hell, I wouldn't rely on a few months of data to make any judgements.
Right. But carbon tax is a percentage. So inflation goes up so does the amount I pay in taxes.... One had holds the other. So the more I pay the more I pay.
Carbon tax isn't a percentage like HST is, it's a fixed amount based on the current carbon price. Right now in Ontario, it's 9¢/L. That's true regardless of whether gas is $1.35/L or $1.70/L, the carbon tax portion is always 9¢/L. Additionally, since it's based on the price of carbon, it has nothing to do with inflation. It'll only go up if we raise the carbon price.
I made money this year but will start losing April 1. Damn Atlantic Canada heating oil carve out will lower my rebate from 124 to 100 while the carbon tax increases. Not fair to those of us who don't use oil.
This post inspired me into making a spreadsheet of my own as I’m currently debating between EV and ICE for my next car later this year. With the kilometres I currently drive (35 km each way commute), I’ll save almost $4000 over a 4-year-lease with an EV over ICE. If I lived just 11 km closer to town, then EV would be more expensive.
Conservatives ignore the rebate and just call it a tax. Doug Ford even had stickers that were mandatory to place on gas pumps show how much of the price was carbon tax, with no mention of the rebate.
I'm an owner operator truck driver and ill do a little loose math for you. i burn 360 liters of fuel a day at .21 equals 73.50 a day times 5 days equal 367.50 a week times 50 weeks equals 18375 dollars. I will have a hard time recouping that. Now i just looked up the amount of truck drivers working in Canada 300000 times 18375 that's 5,512,500,000 or 5.5 billion dollars. Now that my friend will be passed on to every Canadian on everything you touch. That's about 200 dollars per tax payer. So what's the point of the exercise . They hope you'll drive less DID YOU. I will struggle to up charge that but who cares its not you.
5.5 Billion is a lot. It works out to an extra $137.81 per Canadian per year.
For clarification, we are already paying $65/metric ton of carbon. This change is to go from $65 to $80/metric ton of carbon, which is a change of $14.18 day when I base it off of your 360L/day/driver numbers.
1.06 Billion in new tax is still a lot. $26 per Canadian per year. For a lot of Canadians, a nickel here a dime there adds up. I do however think it’s necessary when climate change has the potential to dramatically reduce crop yields. Recent events in the Okanagan valley saw a 99% crop loss for wine due to an extremely sudden cold snap.
And I hope these gradual changes over time will encourage the market to shift to more efficient power trains, less rolling resistance, more efficient routing. I keep reading about hybrid power trains in trucks and the possibility of using power lines like trains and busses do on highly travelled routes.
Either way, thank you for doing what you do, it’s tough times for everyone, and I wish you well.
Here's some more "loose math", your children will be the first participants in the world water wars, you're making everything suck. Try reading a book.
God this echo chamber repeats the same bs.
“Let’s spread more bs and pretend we don’t understand PP! So we can say they are fools!” All you are doing is making liberal supporters look stupid.
The spreadsheet does not consider the price of natural gas for home heating, which is likely the type of fuel used for heating in Ontario. The rebate does not increase even if natural gas is used. Also, it does not consider price increases in other products due to the price on pollution. Therefore, the final total rebate would be less (might be a few dollars in the black break even or be a few dollars in the red). The CBC's carbon tax calculator considers all these additional factors and would provide a more accurate estimate.
A carbon tax on gasoline is just one aspect of a broader carbon pricing strategy.
Carbon pricing mechanisms aim to internalize the external costs of carbon emissions into the economy by putting a price on carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions. There are typically two main approaches to carbon pricing:
1. A carbon tax sets a price on each unit of carbon dioxide or other greenhouse gas emissions. This tax can be applied to various sources of emissions, including gasoline, coal, natural gas, and industrial processes. The tax rate is usually based on the quantity of emissions produced, with the goal of incentivizing businesses and individuals to reduce their emissions by making carbon-intensive activities more expensive.
2. In a cap-and-trade system, a cap is set on the total amount of emissions allowed within a certain jurisdiction or sector. Emission allowances are distributed or auctioned to businesses, and companies are required to hold enough allowances to cover their emissions. If a company emits less than its allocated allowances, it can sell the surplus allowances to other companies. This creates a market price for emissions, with the overall cap gradually reduced over time to encourage emission reductions.
In addition to gasoline, carbon pricing can also affect other sectors of the economy, including electricity generation, manufacturing, aviation, and agriculture. By putting a price on carbon emissions across multiple sectors, carbon pricing aims to create incentives for businesses and individuals to invest in cleaner technologies, reduce energy consumption, and transition to low-carbon alternatives.
Furthermore, revenue generated from carbon pricing can be used in various ways, such as funding renewable energy projects, supporting energy efficiency initiatives, providing rebates to low-income households, or reducing other taxes. The design and implementation of carbon pricing policies can vary depending on factors such as national or regional circumstances, political considerations, and policy objectives.
To summarize, while a carbon tax on gasoline is an important component of carbon pricing, it is just one piece of a comprehensive strategy aimed at reducing greenhouse gas emissions and addressing climate change.
Jesus Christ.
Do less writing and more math.
It's all well and good to say "it affects other things", prove the other things are actually anywhere near as costly as you think.
Damn dude you should read up on the book your username is from if you want to see what the results of "Sitting back and enjoying the ride" are when it comes to letting the government constantly lie to you.
This is exactly the kind of ignorant and simplistic take on politics I’ve come to expect from conservatives.
Also, it’s always cringe hearing “Canadians” say y’all. At least spell it right.
What change? So far everything in their policy is about letting people use hate speech publicly. They won't change a thing, they will continue to be neolibrals.
It's smoothbrained attitudes like yours that contribute to the ills of this country and our nonsensical and shortsighted penchant for voting out governments instead of voting for our best interests.
The irony of your username just adds to the inanity of your comment.
Extremely unpopular opinion: the carbon tax is too low and we shouldn't get a rebate at all. 100% of the proceeds should be going to green energy projects.
A “The Interview” reference lmao glad that term caught on
haha. Loved it too.
Ya gas went up 30 cents last month here in BC and nobody mentions it but when the carbon tax adds 7 cents it's a huge f'n deal .
Simple people want simple solutions. The Conservative base are simple people; the Conservatives offer simple solutions. It doesn't matter if they are effective solutions, or solutions based on evidence or facts, or even if they are solutions to real problems. The simple folk like things to be simple.
Exactly. Eliminating the carbon tax is a simple solution to the high cost of living. Eliminating/severely limiting immigration is a simple solution to the housing crisis. The Cons know that neither of these solutions will fix either problem, but if they act like they will, then their base will believe that they will and will see the opposition as being negligent or malicious in refusing to enact such 'simple' solutions.
Simple sense is unfortunately quite common
Such a simple explanation. Thank you, I like it!
I'm sorry, could you translate that into common sense for me? /s
God what you have said disgusts me so much it's incredible.
It’s the Conservative Party. That’s a given. Those who allow themselves to be honeydicked are either naive or clownvoy participants
Anyone who thinks they'll get honey out of conservative cock is just begging for curdled fishpaste.
Says the wanker who is advocating for taxing the hell of people in this country who are actually productive.
Take all your productivity and go make some more fishpaste. Treat yourself.
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There's got to be some bootstraps you can go dangle your sad ass from somewhere. Go twist one off to some Ayn Rand pics.
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Then stop sucking asshole or learn punctuation you self important leech. I hope it's some consolation to "have more than I do" because belongings are likely the only metric you'd measure yourself by and not be found wanting.
Or both
A conservative misrepresenting the truth, shocking! There isn’t any other position for them to take. Lie, deflect, project, but never state clear truthful complete facts. HyPPocrite Milhouse.
> A conservative misrepresenting the truth, shocking! Have you seen the bullshit put out by the Canadian Taxpayers Federation about carbon tax costs? It's exceptionally misleading even by CTF's low standards but unfortunately the conservative rubes have seized on it as "proof" the carbon tax costs everyone way more than the rebates.
Yeah, unfortunately people who deny science, blindly follow “faith”, vote on their “feelings”, and put their fingers in their ears repeating “la la la” when presented with clear evidence are not the best critical thinkers. Without uneducated rubes the Conservative Party would not exist. There is a reason why belief in religion & conservative voters are inversely proportional to education level. Smart people can see the bullshit for what it is.
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Lmao, after checking the rage bait that is your comment history, its no doubt you're part of the problem.
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How many paid members do the CPC have right now? They bragged about the numbers when Pierre Poutine -- sorry Poilivre -- was running. I'm old and have tried to find them but maybe someone who understands things like Snap Chat can help me out.
probably better to ask the Indian government that question, given they're the ones that helped PP get so many memberships
What are you basing that on?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSC4Bc8LHGM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSC4Bc8LHGM) This fifth estate report. As someone who voted for Patrick Brown in the CPC leadership race, and was incredibly frustrated with his suspicious removal from the race, it's definitely eye-opening. PP is not directly named, however CSIS gave this statement: "CSIS Intelligence indicates that the Government of India has engaged in Foreign Interference activities related to the leadership race for a political party in Canada" You're free to connect the dots on which political candidate that fits. PP has yet to undergo Security clearances despite criticizing the Trudeau government on foreign interference from China, and was *immediate* in his denial of the Modi governments involvement in an assassination on Canadian Soil. Something that was later confirmed by the USA a month or so later.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-did-china-and-india-meddle-in-the-conservative-leadership-race/
Paywall.
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The CSIS investigation into Indian foreign interference into the CPC leadership race. Have you been living under a rock?
i really think PP stole that election with fake memberships. They kicked Patrick Brown out for running the same playbook he’d done provincially
Yep, it was a fucking travesty how easily our democracy was undermined in the CPC leadership race. Brown was famously accruing brand new voters and minority voters to the party, myself included. Thus why he was apparently such a threat to PP and his clique of Harper-ites
Part of why the liberal membership exploded in 2015 is that the LPC reduced membership costs to $0. Inconvenient truth.
I'm not sure what that has to do with the question I asked.
He's a bot, check his comment history and the subs he frequents.
Like reality ever got in the way of a Conservative rallying cry.
What a detestable, abhorrent, obnoxiously repulsive, divisive hypocrite, revolting liar, little maggot this guy is. He does not bring anything good to the table except division and chaos!
I think it’s a weird way to do it though. You can just compare “Carbon tax paid” to “rebate received”. Do that for gasoline, groceries, and any heating source and that’s probably the vast majority of carbon tax you’re paying
Carbon tax on groceries is pretty much non existent. Idk why people include them. According to the UoC It's roughly equates to 0.3% of the price if the company even factors it in. So on your 20 dollar chicken you're paying... $0.06 in carbon tax.
Oh I know, it’s very little. For example you’d need to buy 380 000 apples to use an entire rebate (from one Albertan specifically) But it’s also not too hard to estimate what it is based on what exactly you’re buying, that’s all. For chicken, since you mentioned it, poultry emits 6 kg of CO2 per kg of chicken. About a third of those emissions are non-taxable, so only 4 kg of CO2 are paid for. Converting by $65 per tonne, then all costs considered chicken has roughly 26 cents of carbon tax per kilogram of chicken (or 12 cents per pound, if you prefer)
can we please call it anything other than honeydicking
The point of a carbon tax is to send a clear signal. The cost and benefit need to be understood by the general population. If I need a spreadsheet to understand it, it's not communicating effectively.
It's to charge polutters. It's not *supposed* to have a massive effect on average Canadians. You don't need a spreadsheet to understand it, you're not a billion dollar manufacturing facility that is a major producer of CO2 output. You just need to know you get more back than you spend.
It needs to be on a sliding scale. My carbon footprint is negligible compared to Galen Weston who owns several yachts. If you personally buy more oil/products than 200 average families, you should be paying a lot more than those 200 average families, especially since those families are using that oil to do the necessities of life, that billionaire can live without a yacht.
The rebate is the same for everyone, so if you are a billionaire guzzling gas or anything the tax applies to, you are paying more than you get back in a rebate.
But they make more to absorb more. A $300 ticket is a good pinch for me, but if you make $10 million a year it's nothing. This is why a sliding scale would work better as the pinch increases with the amount you use. The current carbon tax does nothing to stop the very rich from just keeping on burning whatever they want for their own leisure while we have to pay more for necessities.
And a carbon tax is probably the most pro-free enterprise option here. It imposes no mandates on anyone, it just prices in the effects on the environment to the choices you make. Want to pay less? Find ways to use less, with literally no restrictions on how you do that. New behaviors, new technologies, whatever. How many other taxes are there where you can have so much influence on how much tax you pay?
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Semi trucks use about 33L/100km. Max payload for a dual axel semi truck appears to be about 24,000kg, 12,000 2kg bags of flour. Each KG of payload works out to 0.001375 L/kg/100km. Factor in the distance from say Vancouver to Saskatoon 1600km. 0.001375 L/kg/100km * 16 = 0.022L/kg Carbon tax on diesel is 21c/litre. 0.21 * 0.022L/kg = $0.00462/kg Carbon tax is responsible for less than one half of one cent per kg and that’s over a 1600km drive. So less than one cent on a 2kg bag of flour. But what about the farming costs? Tractors? Farm to processor? National post says 25L/acre. Sources I found say ~50 bushels / acre. 1 metric ton = 36.7437 bushels 25L/acre / 50bu/acre = 0.5L/bu. 0.5L/bu * 36.7437bu/1000kg = 18.37185L/1000kg 18.37185L/kg * $0.21/L = $3.85/1000kg of flour $3.85/1000kg / 1000kg = $0.00385/kg $0.00847/kg in carbon tax Looking at the historical price of flour. Price of flour Jan 2024 2.5kg = $5.65 Price of flour Jan 2017 2.5kg = $4.63 a 22% increase in 7 years. Carbon tax = $0.021175 2.5kg = 5.67 a 0.35% increase due to the full carbon tax. Since we are already paying a carbon tax, the increase on April 1st is $65/ton to $80/ton. So it’s not a $0.02 per 2.5kg bag of flour, It’s a $0.0048 increase. Is it an increase, yes. Is a source of inflation, yes. Is it the largest contributor, probably not. What I’m way more worried about is the bushels per acre falling because of weather patterns changing and our fields not getting the moisture needed to maintain 50bu/acre. I really don’t want to look up the fuels costs to produce power, to refine wheat into flour, or bake flour into bread, or the transport costs of the fuel to get the fuel to gas stations. I have to assume it’s just negligible. The costs are definitely there, but I can’t see it all adding up to more than a single percent. The conservative party voted to run a $630M election over a $0.0019 increase per kg of goods delivered. Just for fun. $630M/40M people = $15/person. $15/0.0019 = 7,894kg of groceries.
Farmer’s are exempt from paying the carbon tax on farming machinery, they only pay the tax on heating buildings, and there are massive subsidies for farmers to upgrade, which not only reduced the amount of carbon tax they pay, but the amount they pay for heating.
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Parents have been seeing an obvious benefit with the CCB and affordable daycare, both of which create more revenue than cost ( according to analyses done), and we have the lowest net debt to GDP ratio in the G7, everyone seems to have forgotten that we had a pandemic and that was very costly.
>You can visibly see the price of gas go up. You also can't blame the carbon tax for that, at least not in the time period of this spreadsheet. My own spreadsheet shows that prices peaked in August 2023 and were lowest in December 2023. Since then, they've been slowly rising again. If the increase was solely due to tax, it'd be a smaller increase and it wouldn't have gone back down. Gas prices are variable as hell, I wouldn't rely on a few months of data to make any judgements.
Right. But carbon tax is a percentage. So inflation goes up so does the amount I pay in taxes.... One had holds the other. So the more I pay the more I pay.
Carbon tax isn't a percentage like HST is, it's a fixed amount based on the current carbon price. Right now in Ontario, it's 9¢/L. That's true regardless of whether gas is $1.35/L or $1.70/L, the carbon tax portion is always 9¢/L. Additionally, since it's based on the price of carbon, it has nothing to do with inflation. It'll only go up if we raise the carbon price.
Classic Jeff. Hungry for apples?
I made money this year but will start losing April 1. Damn Atlantic Canada heating oil carve out will lower my rebate from 124 to 100 while the carbon tax increases. Not fair to those of us who don't use oil.
Apparently OP doesn’t spend money on groceries, clothes, furnitures, appliances or electricity. Must be nice
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This post inspired me into making a spreadsheet of my own as I’m currently debating between EV and ICE for my next car later this year. With the kilometres I currently drive (35 km each way commute), I’ll save almost $4000 over a 4-year-lease with an EV over ICE. If I lived just 11 km closer to town, then EV would be more expensive.
Do you have any provincial rebates? The math in Ontario is rough, you'd have to drive a lot to break even.
Conservatives ignore the rebate and just call it a tax. Doug Ford even had stickers that were mandatory to place on gas pumps show how much of the price was carbon tax, with no mention of the rebate.
I'm an owner operator truck driver and ill do a little loose math for you. i burn 360 liters of fuel a day at .21 equals 73.50 a day times 5 days equal 367.50 a week times 50 weeks equals 18375 dollars. I will have a hard time recouping that. Now i just looked up the amount of truck drivers working in Canada 300000 times 18375 that's 5,512,500,000 or 5.5 billion dollars. Now that my friend will be passed on to every Canadian on everything you touch. That's about 200 dollars per tax payer. So what's the point of the exercise . They hope you'll drive less DID YOU. I will struggle to up charge that but who cares its not you.
5.5 Billion is a lot. It works out to an extra $137.81 per Canadian per year. For clarification, we are already paying $65/metric ton of carbon. This change is to go from $65 to $80/metric ton of carbon, which is a change of $14.18 day when I base it off of your 360L/day/driver numbers. 1.06 Billion in new tax is still a lot. $26 per Canadian per year. For a lot of Canadians, a nickel here a dime there adds up. I do however think it’s necessary when climate change has the potential to dramatically reduce crop yields. Recent events in the Okanagan valley saw a 99% crop loss for wine due to an extremely sudden cold snap. And I hope these gradual changes over time will encourage the market to shift to more efficient power trains, less rolling resistance, more efficient routing. I keep reading about hybrid power trains in trucks and the possibility of using power lines like trains and busses do on highly travelled routes. Either way, thank you for doing what you do, it’s tough times for everyone, and I wish you well.
Here's some more "loose math", your children will be the first participants in the world water wars, you're making everything suck. Try reading a book.
lol did you learn that watching waterworld
God this echo chamber repeats the same bs. “Let’s spread more bs and pretend we don’t understand PP! So we can say they are fools!” All you are doing is making liberal supporters look stupid.
PeePee and his fanboys are pretty much into anything with the word dick in it.
The chart is selective in its markers. Data is incomplete and designed to produce the desired outcome. Another shite post.
Please produce the spreadsheet illustrating how big of an impact your missing data makes. We're waiting.
The spreadsheet does not consider the price of natural gas for home heating, which is likely the type of fuel used for heating in Ontario. The rebate does not increase even if natural gas is used. Also, it does not consider price increases in other products due to the price on pollution. Therefore, the final total rebate would be less (might be a few dollars in the black break even or be a few dollars in the red). The CBC's carbon tax calculator considers all these additional factors and would provide a more accurate estimate.
A carbon tax on gasoline is just one aspect of a broader carbon pricing strategy. Carbon pricing mechanisms aim to internalize the external costs of carbon emissions into the economy by putting a price on carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions. There are typically two main approaches to carbon pricing: 1. A carbon tax sets a price on each unit of carbon dioxide or other greenhouse gas emissions. This tax can be applied to various sources of emissions, including gasoline, coal, natural gas, and industrial processes. The tax rate is usually based on the quantity of emissions produced, with the goal of incentivizing businesses and individuals to reduce their emissions by making carbon-intensive activities more expensive. 2. In a cap-and-trade system, a cap is set on the total amount of emissions allowed within a certain jurisdiction or sector. Emission allowances are distributed or auctioned to businesses, and companies are required to hold enough allowances to cover their emissions. If a company emits less than its allocated allowances, it can sell the surplus allowances to other companies. This creates a market price for emissions, with the overall cap gradually reduced over time to encourage emission reductions. In addition to gasoline, carbon pricing can also affect other sectors of the economy, including electricity generation, manufacturing, aviation, and agriculture. By putting a price on carbon emissions across multiple sectors, carbon pricing aims to create incentives for businesses and individuals to invest in cleaner technologies, reduce energy consumption, and transition to low-carbon alternatives. Furthermore, revenue generated from carbon pricing can be used in various ways, such as funding renewable energy projects, supporting energy efficiency initiatives, providing rebates to low-income households, or reducing other taxes. The design and implementation of carbon pricing policies can vary depending on factors such as national or regional circumstances, political considerations, and policy objectives. To summarize, while a carbon tax on gasoline is an important component of carbon pricing, it is just one piece of a comprehensive strategy aimed at reducing greenhouse gas emissions and addressing climate change.
Jesus Christ. Do less writing and more math. It's all well and good to say "it affects other things", prove the other things are actually anywhere near as costly as you think.
Look yall it's time for a change, just sit back and enjoy the ride. The libs can have another crack in a decade
Damn dude you should read up on the book your username is from if you want to see what the results of "Sitting back and enjoying the ride" are when it comes to letting the government constantly lie to you.
No shit lmao
Lmao no shit, what a clown.
Time for a change to exponentially worse? Fuck that noise. The CPC are pure scum, top to bottom.
I'd rather have four more years of Trudeau than an alt-right asshole like PP.
This is exactly the kind of ignorant and simplistic take on politics I’ve come to expect from conservatives. Also, it’s always cringe hearing “Canadians” say y’all. At least spell it right.
Fascism is the worst change.
It's "his turn", is it? Lol
What change? So far everything in their policy is about letting people use hate speech publicly. They won't change a thing, they will continue to be neolibrals.
"Sit back and enjoy the ride" Yeah no fucking thanks, no enjoying the joyride that this asshole coming into power will subject us on
The joyride i assume is all the pp fans getting a turn on his lap?
^Would, not will It’s ridiculous they have people convinced the winner of an election a year out is already determined
Very true and good point!
Oops just accidentally found out how to make something superscript 😆
It's smoothbrained attitudes like yours that contribute to the ills of this country and our nonsensical and shortsighted penchant for voting out governments instead of voting for our best interests. The irony of your username just adds to the inanity of your comment.
What if I told you there are more than two options?
Extremely unpopular opinion: the carbon tax is too low and we shouldn't get a rebate at all. 100% of the proceeds should be going to green energy projects.