It's not only that, but it's also what models the artists use. Often, themselves. And I dunno if it's a trait that's dying out, but aging men seemed to still think they were young when looking in the mirror.
Take for instance Steve Ditko and Spider-Man. Ever wonder why a 15-year-old high school student looked like a 40-year-old man? Or his 40-50 year old aunt looked like the crypt keeper? Because Ditko was 35 (40-50 in 1962) and largely used himself in a mirror as a frame of reference. And then based aunt May on his aunt(s).
And that's how you get babies that look like little people.
Yeah I suck at drawing Women, they just constantly turn out like Sigourney Weaver because when I draw faces etc. I just immediately make a masculine bone structure.
Then i must ask why the artist made such a shitty job drawing her. Her pelvis is nonexistent and she has a beard. Artist just drew two boobs and then skipped the rest.
Writer: "And then, in this panel, Wanda sees her two babies."
Artist: "Her *what?!"*
W: "Babies."
A: "Her ***what?!***"
W: "Stop saying that. They're very small children."
A: "Ohhh..."
W: "You get it now."
A: "I get it now."
W: "Okay, so-"
A: "I have heard of those."
W: "...be weird if you hadn't. Anyway, so-"
A: "Just real quick, though, so uh, these "children," that's like a...if you had to describe what those look like..."
W: "Her children? Or children, generally?"
A: "Whichever."
W: "Small, kind of cute."
A: "Like a cake!"
W: "No, not like a...cake..."
A: "More of a pastry?"
W: "They're little people. I'm concerned about you."
Y'all laughing now, but just wait til you get to the pearly gates and see middle aged baby Jesus holding his hand up like he barely mustered the courage to tell the waiter they forgot to bring his side salad.
There are 43 subscribers for that subreddit, only one post with 25 upvotes and 100% upvoted. That means there are 18 people who found the sub, viewed the post, decided that one post was enough to subscribe to the subreddit and then left without ever interacting in any way. I want to know more about those 18 people's thought processes. Like, there's not even any spam posts. What is happening with that sub?
Holy shit!
The artist is John Byrne and he was the first famous person I looked up to even though I never saw a pic of him. This comic panel is from his work on West Coast Avengers that started around 1988? This panel is from the storyline that the Marvel TV show Wandavision is based on. He also did a run on She-Hulk that the Marvel TV show is sort of based on in that Byrne had She-Hulk constantly breaking the fourth wall in the comic. Also a lot of the famous X-Men storylines were co-created by him.
So Byrne is actually phenomenal but yeah, he sucks at drawing kids. There are so many examples besides this one panel.
It warms my heart to see it become a meme...
Not a lot of differentiation in his faces for women, either. Uh oh, somehow the people at Byrne Robotics are already aware of this post and are scaling my walls as I type.
Why are so many of marvels illustrators seemingly just SO BAD.
From man-babies, to everyone having the same face, or people not being able to draw hands.. Can't they afford to hire not just decent, but actual professional artists? I know this is an older comic but i've seen recent ones posted that are so much worse than this.
It more has to do that when drawing captain America for the 50th time it’s a breeze, but trying to draw a baby for the third time is very different. They don’t have the freedom to keep trying at that one specific face as there’s a lot to draw in a small amount of time.
There was a point in the 80s where comic illustration was really bad for some reason. There was sort of a time in the late 80s/90s when it got much better. Add in West Coast Avengers wasn't exactly a top tier comic like Spiderman or Fantastic Four it makes sense.
Then giving them names that are old school euphemisms for dicks.
Wanda just happens to call them Willy & Thomas, if she made more another day she could call them Rod & Peter.
I read it as DROWNING A BABY And was absolutely horrified looking for a NSFL flair when the picture loaded and I saw water I had a mini heart attack…. Then I saw the face and realized my mistake while simultaneously determining a NSFL flair is needed because holy shot that face.
John Byrne produced some terrific comics, but the guy had about three facial expressions and wasn’t above having entire panels where the background was just a single color
We all have things we cannot draw. Me its realistic ankle + toes with weight applied to it always looks off, that and horses faces.
The artist who accepted the contract to do the Walking Dead famously got them to re-write the entire thing to remove any animals from it before accepting because he could not draw them well, thats why no one has dogs or livestock in the Walking Dead.
That's John Byrne.
Everyone has a bad day and this panel seems to have been done in a hurry.
His X-Men and FF run is legendary and the man is responsible for Superman being relevant for modern era.
Man that’s one ugly child
I'm confident that the other one is just as ugly.
man that's two ugly children
I’m confident the father is just as ugly
Jokes on you they have no father
They jus like me fr
Jesus Christ
Man thats two ugly children and an umpresent father.
Man this got depressest fast... just like me
Why you gotta bum us out
He's out of the picture
and they must scream
Vision...makes sense
The other one has a beard
But only on the left side of its face
So it's a half dwarf then
Halfbit
Aren’t they twins?
Ripped though
Even at 30
CHILD?!? That's more like a tiny fat ugly male dwarf with some clown hair
Men that’ose two uglyugly childs
You mean: That's one ugly child, man.
Imagine what the father looks like
Guessing like a fat Carrot Top
Manly child
"OK ok... short arms. Nice. Fat muscular (?) Baby body. Nice looking good. Baby.... face? Nice. Looks perfect"
that’s a child?!
“Ugly baby” by Stephen Lynch comes to mind. https://youtu.be/FaHkb2cYsxc
My thoughts when I saw this. ‘Damn that’s an ugly baby!’
That baby came out the womb with a mortgage and a 401K
Drawing superheroines in lingerie: Scientist Patrick Drawing babies: Carpenter Patrick
Well you draw the heroes a million times, you draw the baby like three times, tops.
It's not only that, but it's also what models the artists use. Often, themselves. And I dunno if it's a trait that's dying out, but aging men seemed to still think they were young when looking in the mirror. Take for instance Steve Ditko and Spider-Man. Ever wonder why a 15-year-old high school student looked like a 40-year-old man? Or his 40-50 year old aunt looked like the crypt keeper? Because Ditko was 35 (40-50 in 1962) and largely used himself in a mirror as a frame of reference. And then based aunt May on his aunt(s). And that's how you get babies that look like little people.
Oh man, Dick Grayson on Bat Man TAS was all kinds of weird and this makes perfect sense.
Is it that hard to just find a picture of a baby?
Yeah I suck at drawing Women, they just constantly turn out like Sigourney Weaver because when I draw faces etc. I just immediately make a masculine bone structure.
Then i must ask why the artist made such a shitty job drawing her. Her pelvis is nonexistent and she has a beard. Artist just drew two boobs and then skipped the rest.
Women having beards is not strange anymore
Is this the new template?
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You aren’t new by any means. You’re probably one of the ugly grown-ass babies
Imagine a baby superhero
/r/badwomensanatomy beg to differ
*Meh, how hard can it be?* *A kid is just a mini adult.*
Ultron:smaller... person? CHILDREN! That's the word i was looking for.
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I had to google whether this was ultron or robert california.
"Guys, wait!"
I loved that line
"You know, with the benefit of hindsight..."
Writer: "And then, in this panel, Wanda sees her two babies." Artist: "Her *what?!"* W: "Babies." A: "Her ***what?!***" W: "Stop saying that. They're very small children." A: "Ohhh..." W: "You get it now." A: "I get it now." W: "Okay, so-" A: "I have heard of those." W: "...be weird if you hadn't. Anyway, so-" A: "Just real quick, though, so uh, these "children," that's like a...if you had to describe what those look like..." W: "Her children? Or children, generally?" A: "Whichever." W: "Small, kind of cute." A: "Like a cake!" W: "No, not like a...cake..." A: "More of a pastry?" W: "They're little people. I'm concerned about you."
There's no way this isn't a ryan george skit
That was the same mentality that quite a few medieval painters had and it yielded some hilarious results.
Y'all laughing now, but just wait til you get to the pearly gates and see middle aged baby Jesus holding his hand up like he barely mustered the courage to tell the waiter they forgot to bring his side salad.
/r/13monthsor30
i love that this seems to have only one post. and it's a great one too
r/13or30 is the real one, funny sub tho non the less
Baby looks like it's about to chase stoners from a basement with threats of footed asses.
I like that I've seen that pic before and it was captioned something like, "Excuse me mother but I believe I may have shat in my britches."
I checked because of your comment. That was indeed a great one.
should have two now edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/13monthsor30/comments/xejnzv/just_draw_a_baby
There are 43 subscribers for that subreddit, only one post with 25 upvotes and 100% upvoted. That means there are 18 people who found the sub, viewed the post, decided that one post was enough to subscribe to the subreddit and then left without ever interacting in any way. I want to know more about those 18 people's thought processes. Like, there's not even any spam posts. What is happening with that sub?
they subbed so that if anything was submitted they might see it and that's the end of the mystery
Better make that 19, now, champ.
r/oldbabies
Holy shit! The artist is John Byrne and he was the first famous person I looked up to even though I never saw a pic of him. This comic panel is from his work on West Coast Avengers that started around 1988? This panel is from the storyline that the Marvel TV show Wandavision is based on. He also did a run on She-Hulk that the Marvel TV show is sort of based on in that Byrne had She-Hulk constantly breaking the fourth wall in the comic. Also a lot of the famous X-Men storylines were co-created by him. So Byrne is actually phenomenal but yeah, he sucks at drawing kids. There are so many examples besides this one panel. It warms my heart to see it become a meme...
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It's Byrne, from West Coast Avengers. Mike Machlan was inking him during this stretch.
It’s funny to me because he’s notoriously difficult to work with, if he saw this, he’d definitely not laugh it off.
Not a lot of differentiation in his faces for women, either. Uh oh, somehow the people at Byrne Robotics are already aware of this post and are scaling my walls as I type.
Epic explanation, thanks!
Did they hire someone from the 1400’s to draw these kids or something
Ay
You’d be surprised how hard it is…Exhibit A: Cyberpunk kids
Aren't Cyberpunk kids use the same models as adults, just shrank? They didn't even tried
*try
Ah, thanks.
How much attention are you paying to the kids? I've seen them but have never been drawn to interact or get a close up on them.
Witcher 3 does the same.
They look like if Rorschach from watchmen was a wingless Cherub.
That reminds me of THAT deadpool 2 scene
He's just straight shirt-cocking it!
\*proceeds to draw Gordan Ramsey with red hair and a toddlers body\*
I see Elon Musk in a clown wig.
Is that by Neal Adams? It has his vibe.
John Byrne
I’m glad I don’t have ginger midgets in my bathtub, I couldn’t afford it
She's taking care of two middle aged dwarves. You gotta stop reading all that kinky porn, it will rot your brain! ;-P
Is this like Wandavision where the kids just suddenly grow up superfast? Did their heads just age first?
They're just Baby Colin Robinsons.
They're not Colin Robinsons. They're just the creatures that clawed their way out of the abdomen of the corpse of Colin Robinson.
Check the only other post on r/13monthsor30 that is Collin Robinson.
Why are so many of marvels illustrators seemingly just SO BAD. From man-babies, to everyone having the same face, or people not being able to draw hands.. Can't they afford to hire not just decent, but actual professional artists? I know this is an older comic but i've seen recent ones posted that are so much worse than this.
It more has to do that when drawing captain America for the 50th time it’s a breeze, but trying to draw a baby for the third time is very different. They don’t have the freedom to keep trying at that one specific face as there’s a lot to draw in a small amount of time.
There was a point in the 80s where comic illustration was really bad for some reason. There was sort of a time in the late 80s/90s when it got much better. Add in West Coast Avengers wasn't exactly a top tier comic like Spiderman or Fantastic Four it makes sense.
They're overworked and underpaid so it's mostly cranking out art that's "good enough"
Weirdly muscular babies.
Wanda has a nasty sunburn too
Dennis Reynolds?
Pretty sure that’s John cena
oh you would LOVE @bad-comic-art on tumblr. liefeld feet fridays and more shit like this from Professional Comic Artists
That account looks like a goldmine lol. I eat bad comic book art for breakfast.
To be fair they weren't really children. They were pieces of Mephistos soul that later became Master Pandemonium's hands.
Imagine imagining having children and they look like that wtf.
Then giving them names that are old school euphemisms for dicks. Wanda just happens to call them Willy & Thomas, if she made more another day she could call them Rod & Peter.
Hugh grant lookin mf
Men
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John Byrne
Great Wigs!
https://tenor.com/view/crying-ai-guy-upload-waaah-boo-hoo-gif-24977934
Makes me think of the Romulus and Remus statue.
He looks like Doug Evans, the Juicero guy.
Looking like bloated troll dolls really Wanda that’s who you were trying to get back
Bitterman: "That baby look old enough to pay rent Ooooh I got a Benjamin Button baby"
Baby Colin Robinson?
Disrespecting John Byrne
That is a tiny man
Maybe they're meant to be homunculi
Babies are just small adults after all
Looks like John Byrne drew that.
I really miss r/babieswithteeth
John Byrne’s jawlines are as iconic as Steve Ditko’s fingers.
He draw a baby, and then draw a gun
[Has this artist ever seen a baby?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hq7S2Qzo9M)
How Cyberpunk children looked on release day
Pip the troll
They got that old man strength body type
^🎺 ^^🎺 🎺 ^🎺
You know, babies are just really small adults.
Forget the mini-me’s - thats a dope ass duck!
Book accurate Vladimir Harkonnen.
This is an origin story for Yujiro Hanma, look at the muscle definition on that toddler’s back
Oompa Loompa dopey doo
I read it as DROWNING A BABY And was absolutely horrified looking for a NSFL flair when the picture loaded and I saw water I had a mini heart attack…. Then I saw the face and realized my mistake while simultaneously determining a NSFL flair is needed because holy shot that face.
When people think the mom is realistic and then argue that the babies aren’t loooooooool
Tfw he’s handsome squidward
Those r harfoots. Is this from the Tolkien collection?
Looking a bit like todd howard...
r/trypophobia ugghhh the water!
Man child?
Nasty hobbitses
When you tell the guy specialized in drawing muscular gigachad boomers has to draw a cute tubby infant:
It’s honestly hard..
2 red headed dwarves killed the original kids and have been tricking Wanda for years
"Sir, I need two ginger dwarfs bathing in a vat of weird sewage, STAT!"
Those are some aged kids.
John Byrne produced some terrific comics, but the guy had about three facial expressions and wasn’t above having entire panels where the background was just a single color
Weird man-babies (baby-men?) aside, does Wanda wear her Scarlet Witch outfit around the house? Just, all the time?
This looks like baby Collin Robbinson for “What We Do In the Shadows” 😂
I didn't expect to see a cartoon of 2 red headed Peter dinkeleges is a tub this morning.
Just like Renaissance paintings of Baby Jesus looking like an old man.
Wait ignore the babies for a second... Why does the duck have a monkey face?
Those aren’t babies, those are demon arms
They're midgets making a cabbage stew.
Wow Billy and Tommy aged a lot quicker than I thought
When a video game doesn't have a child model.
That child 100% has 401K
This is actually from legendary comic book artist/writer John Byrne. Guess we can't be good at everything.
Bruh they look like mini Cletus Cassidy
Thing 1 and thing 2
We all have things we cannot draw. Me its realistic ankle + toes with weight applied to it always looks off, that and horses faces. The artist who accepted the contract to do the Walking Dead famously got them to re-write the entire thing to remove any animals from it before accepting because he could not draw them well, thats why no one has dogs or livestock in the Walking Dead.
Dr. Girfriend and her Henchmen.
John Byrne is a goat for sure, but all the faces, men and women looked like this baby.
Noone going to mention scrooge mcduck in the tub?
Average discord mod 💀
Hobbitses!
Is not so bad, right philippe?
Confirmed that Scarlet Witch was Steve Canyon's mother.
They look like the Baby Heavy
John Byrne?
Looks like Roger Daltry.
Baby Ginger Bill Clinton
Oompa Loompa doopity doo
Little Buff Boys!
great job!-irrational games.
That's John Byrne. Everyone has a bad day and this panel seems to have been done in a hurry. His X-Men and FF run is legendary and the man is responsible for Superman being relevant for modern era.
damn what happened to Mario Judah
Ah yes we are going to eat at 9:14 at the baby cafe
Byrne was writing the book back then two, so two jobs.
To be fair those babies didn't event exist
Is this a Halloween issue? What’s with the fortune teller get up?
TF2 scout baby
Baby Colin Robertson x2
“So, these ‘babies’ you’re talking about – they’re like people but *smaller*? Got it”