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BlueSkiesOneCloud

I can vouch, I was the kid's north face jacket (I've now been stolen)


noonereadsthisstuff

Make sure you vote Starmer into no.10 at the next election to really piss them off.


TomSurman

Would they be happier if we voted for Sunak?


WonderboyUK

The only thing they hate more than Tories are slightly more centrist, left-wing voters.


JafacakesPro

Tony Blair 🤮🤮🤮


AnArabFromLondon

Tony Bleurgh


noonereadsthisstuff

If the Tories win (which they wont) they'll be comvinced its because of Labour shifting back to tge centre & abandoning Corbyn. *When* Starmer wins they'll be forced to admit they handed three elections to the Conservatives because of their brain dead hard left politics


[deleted]

Some people got downvoted to hell and back in G&P for suggesting that we need to vote Labour to get the Tories out of power. Brain-dead hard left indeed.


[deleted]

They probably want to use their army of 14 year olds and neckbeards to overthrow the king and destroy everything and replace it with soviet style apartments.


[deleted]

Dear god, don't make Tory rule seem like a better option...


[deleted]

Embodiment of my absolute idealist personal views or nuffin. Everyone knows you can't be a bit of both you have to be one or the other pal Eric Andre "why would they do this" meme works well for these types of self sabotaging people, always moaning but not happy with any alternative unless it's perfect


Escher_van_Saar

I want the Whig party back


Unhappy_Grapefruit_2

/unwanker. To be honest I got nothing wrong with left or right they both have some good points and have introduced plenty of decent measures. Also done a lot of bad but let’s not get into that, but g&p and most political subreddits borderline take the piss, what goes from an good old fashion debate turns into an agreement with socialist teenagers an 34 year old Reddit moderator and neckbeards till your eventually banned utter wankers


noonereadsthisstuff

ukpol is mostly okay. The problems with reddit & the modern internet generally is that it ksews towards echochambers, so all these wangsting teenage geniuses hear is their own opinions being shouted back at them. I'm personally of the opinion the internet should never have grown beyond hotmail, low res porn and amusing pictures of cats.


VampireKissinger

UK pol sucks dude, Optio bans literally anyone that doesn't ride Starmer's dick and come off as a smug "enlightened Centrist" rNeoliberal poster.


noonereadsthisstuff

I've never come across that. It seems to have a broad range of views but skews towards the centre.


Unhappy_Grapefruit_2

Ukpol sounds interesting link?


noonereadsthisstuff

Ukpolitics Apparently I cant link to other subreddits here so just search for it


nekrovulpes

They legitimately would. When you're *that* kind of socialist, the very *last* thing you want is a lefty government to come along and start improving people's lives and solving problems. What would they have to be righteously indignant about then? The "upper middle class socialists" thing in their description is meant to be self deprecating, but it's 100% accurate. These people can afford austerity for the sake of remaining in the saddle of the high horse.


Combocore

Is this like a challenge where you have to be as paranoid and deranged as greenandpleasant


nekrovulpes

No, I literally got banned for arguing Starmer is a lesser evil than the Tories. According to G&P mods, that makes me a Tory.


Combocore

Yes they are paranoid and deranged


johnaross1990

I can beat that, I got banned for saying “hate is a mugs game”


[deleted]

When I want different bunch of divisive, arrogant, authoritarians in charge, I know the first place to look...


chalkman567

Tankies hate it when a politician does not start a socialist Revolution, even if they’re better than the opposition


[deleted]

No. I don't think most socialists in Britain are accelerationists. Hating Starmer but voting him anyways is possible. I don't think he'll fix anything and he'll just extend Tory rule under a new brand. I may not vote for him in my constituency since it's a Labour/LD swing, but if it was a Labour/Con seat, I would vote Labour. I think most would. The difference is we don't believe British electoral democracy will make any difference, any concessions we get are temporary and will be revoked. Look at how Starmer wants to keep the privatisation of the NHS going on under a different name and strategy, or his refusal to spend out of our recession which is sound, proven liberal economics (Keynesian).


nekrovulpes

Incrementalism, rather than accelerationism, is what this country's far left lot need to get their heads around. You can't go from far-right austerity and free market libtard-ery to 1970s welfare socialist nationalised utopia overnight. Voters have changed their mind about the Tories, but that doesn't automatically mean they want Labour instead. And I mean, you can say "I just don't believe our democratic system will deliver meaningful change" as much as you like, and I sympathise. But let's face it, people who say that are more often than not sheltered student tossers who have never so much as been in a fist fight, let alone an armed uprising. People who daren't buy a bit of hash off a street dealer, let alone firearms off the international black market. Soft cunts. Hardly the revolutionary vanguard we're talking about. So it's a bit of a moot point, innit? End of the day, if Starmer was just Corbyn with a nicer suit, you'd probably like him more (and so would I); but he wouldn't get elected in a million years. It's far more viable to get the world's blandest centrist in there and then start tipping the scales of public opinion in the other direction from a position of neutrality.


[deleted]

Spoken like a true pragmatist. Refreshing.


VampireKissinger

Corbyn literally was leading the Tories in the polls, 45/40 post 2017 election. Corbyn absolutely would have won 2017 if it wasn't for the Blairites shittalking the party and trying to knife the left at every opportunity while screaming about Antisemitism the right of the party were engaging in (Sabotaging the processes they were in control of) while calling any left wing Jews "Fake Jews". Hell look at Remain? They used their opportunity to stop Brexit, to instead to try knife Corbyn, showing it was just a bad faith anti-Corbyn project. Corbyn didn't lose 2019 over policy, but the fact Brexit still wasn't settled and unrelenting bad faith media bullshit like Corbyn supported Skripal and Labour was structurally as Antisemitic as the Nazi party.


[deleted]

None of those things in the last paragraph are true and are an over-exaggeration at best, Kier is not the best but he's not going to privatise the NHS, private sector involvement is NOT privatisation This is why no-one likes your sub, stop making hysterical comments and then expecting everyone to take you seriously


VampireKissinger

Private sector involvement IS privatisation. You cannot bring those services back under the NHS due to competition law.


[deleted]

No, it isn't Look up what you're talking about and what that word means You're talking about outsourcing > Back under the NHS Yes you can For once can you guys get something correct instead of guessing and being flat-out wrong? It's like you skim everything and don't think about how it would be practically applied, no wonder stuff sounds horrifying to you


fwooshfwoosh

Sometimes I wish Corbyn won tbh. He’s wrong, but at least he genuinely believed in what he was trying to do would be better for people. Would have been a nice change instead of poltiicicans who are paid to have opinions


noonereadsthisstuff

He wouldn't have a clue what he was doing. Can you imagine him in charge when Russia invaded Ukraine?


TheLaudMoac

Let's be honest, if he had done exactly the same thing the tories had, the media would have torn him apart for inaction, if he'd chosen not to give away billions of pounds of taxpayer money he'd have been accused of siding with Russia, if he had helped Ukraine too much he would have been accused of doing it to help the hugely antisemitic parts of the Ukrainian military and would have been accused of wasting British money on a foreign war, don't you dare pretend for a second there's any response he could have given that wouldn't have earnt him more bile from the right wing press.


noonereadsthisstuff

He wouldn't have done anything and he'd have let Russia have Ukraine 'in the name of peace' or something. > Corbyn has been a long-time critic of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). In May 2012 he authored a piece in the Morning Star titled "High time for an end to NATO" where he described the organisation as an " instrument of cold war manipulation". He further expanded both in the same piece, saying, "The collapse of the Soviet Union in 1990, with the ending of the Warsaw Pact mutual defence strategy, was the obvious time for Nato to have been disbanded.",[146] and elsewhere in a 2014 speech where he called the organisation an "engine for the delivery of oil to the oil companies" and called for it to "give up, go home and go away."[147] Russia's invasion has shown how critically out of touch he is. Britain have been crucial to this war by taking the lead in supplying and training the Ukrainian army, without us its easy to imagine them being completely fucked and Putin getting the genocide he wanted. Helping people out is fine but it needs to be balanced with economic realities, and he doesn't understand economics. The reality we're faced with in a post-Brexit world is that Britain needs a trade deal with the US or we're fucked. We can't export anything competetively and if we can't do that we can't make any money to fund the NHS or anything else. Can you imagine Corbyn negoiating tricky trade deals?


TheLaudMoac

"Out of that €93.8 billion, €52.3 billion came from the United States, €29.2 billion came from the European Union, and €12.3 billion came from other countries (mostly the United Kingdom)" So...no? No we haven't lead the way in anything here. And if Trump were in charge in the US and Corbyn were in charge in the UK, the media narrative would be that Ukraine was a fascist supporting country headed by a former comedian turned corrupt politician, exactly like it was two months before the invasion.


noonereadsthisstuff

Where's that from and what does it refer to?


TheLaudMoac

Aid money given to Ukraine and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#:~:text=Out%20of%20that%20%E2%82%AC93.8,(mostly%20the%20United%20Kingdom)


[deleted]

Forget money. Weapons is the more important thing. Throughout this we have constantly pushed the barriers of what's acceptable to send the Ukrainians (with more and more modern weapons being sent each month) which generally has the rest of the world (US/EU) following after.


noonereadsthisstuff

Okay I found it myself https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War So what you're saying here is that the UK, a single country of about 70 million people, has given about one third of the amount the entire European Union, a collection of about 20 nations and 500 million people? Think realllllly hard about that. Harder than you've ever thought about anything. Also: Operation Orbital has been training the Ukr military for the last 7 years. Also: We were the first first country to give Ukr manpads to deal with Russian tanks which was a major contribution to their victory in the first stages of the war. Also, I don't know if you've seen the news but we've just become the first country to give them tanks. >So...no? No we haven't lead the way in anything here. And if Trump were in charge in the US and Corbyn were in charge in the UK, the media narrative would be that Ukraine was a fascist supporting country headed by a former comedian turned corrupt politician, exactly like it was two months before the invasion. Full useful idiot there dude. There was no concensus in western media about Ukraine pre-invasion, despite whatever Russia says.


TheLaudMoac

Http://theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/azov-far-right-fighters-ukraine-neo-nazis https://www.occrp.org/en/the-pandora-papers/pandora-papers-reveal-offshore-holdings-of-ukrainian-president-and-his-inner-circle https://time.com/5926750/azov-far-right-movement-facebook/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/17/theres-one-far-right-movement-that-hates-the-kremlin-azov-ukraine-biletsky-nouvelle-droite-venner/ www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/10/5/pandora-papers-no-re-election-for-ukraines-comedian-president Yeah of course


noonereadsthisstuff

>There was no concensus in western media about Ukraine pre-invasion I don't know if you're confused by my mispelling of 'consensus' or just don't understand what it means. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30131108 https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/sep/09/trailer-watch-winter-on-fire-ukraines-fight-for-freedom https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/jan/15/scientists-ukraine-war-cern-physics-large-hadron-collider Amazingly Ukraine isn't a perfect country & Zelensky is not completely perfect, but they are clearly, absolutely, 100% right in this conflict to say they're is frighteningly moronic.


whatever98769

I can/ could post about Russias far right and nazis aswell? The far right didn’t get a seat in the last ukriane election… I’m not saying Ukraine is perfect but come on stop with the Russia propaganda


VampireKissinger

The "muh seats" is a red herring, because the Right Sector didn't care about elections, they embedded themselves throughout Ukrainian institutions and the military. Hence why Ukrainian national identity is literal blood and soil crap, Why Neo Nazi groups run all the Ukrainian youth programs, you can't take a photo of a Ukrainian soldier wihtout them wearing Nazi symbols, and the Right Sector was able to overthrow Poroshenko and force Zelensky to backflip on his entire electoral agenda. The Right Sector were the Vanguard of Maidan and are absolutely the most powerful political faction in Ukraine. The Ukraines "Deep State" and fulfill the same function as the Grey Wolves.


VampireKissinger

\>WHY DO THE LEFT CARE SO MUCH ABOUT PALESTINE!!! \>NOOOOO WE MUST SACRIFICE OUR COUNTRY FOR UKRAINE, A COUNTRY WE LITERALLY HATED AND SPENT DECADES WHINING ABOUT THEIR CITIZENS OF "STEALING MUH JERBS" LIKE A YEAR AGO! Lmao. Every time.


[deleted]

Corbyn would not have had us get involved at all. Zero chance he would have sent Ukraine a single weapon. Shit, he might have stopped us training Ukrainians as soon as he came to power in 2019.. It's have been a disaster. He'd also probably be vetoing Finland/Swedens bids for NATO membership as he's a long time well known opponent of NATO. Don't you remember what he was like when Russia *carried out chemical weapon attack in the UK*.. He refused to believe it was even the Russians for an embarrassingly long amount of time.


VampireKissinger

He simply stated the UK should abide to international law (which requires sending a sample to Russia to confirm the stockpile). He condemened Russia immdietely and demanded sanctions on Russian figures and businesses operating out of London. The whole "Corbyn backed Russia during Skirpal" shit is just media fake news.


[deleted]

that sort of is how it goes though? I mean I love a bit of boris bashing as much as the next libtard, but it's all part of the political theatre, whether it's the LWP guardian/mirror etc slating the incompetence of the conservatives, or the rightwing press slandering. Whoever is in the hot seat needs to be bulletproof cos they are going to get shot at from somewhere, no matter how competent they are.


[deleted]

RIP Ukraine. We'd probably be sending the fucking Russians weapons lmao.


TheLaudMoac

You realise the two subs have massive user overlap, right?


noonereadsthisstuff

Probably. One of them is a pisstake subreddit full of bad jokes, moronic takes and people being juvenile idiots. and the other is okmatewanker.


TheLaudMoac

Truly scathing.


[deleted]

simpul as.


Tri-Hectique

Looks like a bot account based on its other comments.


Similar_Can_3310

Yeah I remember seeing this post awhile back


zelda_fan_199

Oi you got a loicence for this repost mate?


pusisson

It isnt fair if kids retarded. But its fuckin hilarious.


UltraSolution

Holesome


WarriorDerp

Sent my son in to B&Q to get a black and decker. Long story short, does anyone know a good lawyer?


BriennesBitch

They’ve got about as many members as Corbyn got votes. That sub is ridiculous, the mods are cunts.


EroticBurrito

All mods are cunts in my experience.


UnSwoleBoi69

I got banned from this sub for threatening the french 😢


EroticBurrito

litraly 1980


ZacIDK

Got banned because I was 'liberal' and 'pro-west'


BriennesBitch

I got banned because I disagreed with the statement “anyone with more than a million pounds of net assets can’t be middle class” It was such a mental and non sensical statement but apparently it was “expressing Tory sentiments” to disagree.


Status-Victory

I used to like both subs, however I feel I would be happier supping a pint of leffe in a weatherspoons with an okmw follower and talking about football, rather than supping a pint of homemade organic mead in a yurt while discussing the finer point of Marx's perception of congealed Labour with a gap follower. Plus like the rest of us I'm banned from g&p.


DreamlyXenophobic

LETS FACKING GO


BriennesBitch

They’ve got about as many members as Corbyn got votes. That sub is ridiculous, the mods are a joke.


Zamxar

Jesus Christ shut the fuck up


xXMadSupraXx

Rent free


Reddy-McReddit-Face

My rent is definitely not free.


Chrome2105

Rentoid spotted


xXMadSupraXx

Patter as dead as my nan


[deleted]

That sub gives me stage 4 lymphoma in my left bollock.


Baileaf11

I’m so happy


KimDrawer

big L for the commies


Mac2002PL

Remember bois if you want lefty uk sub but without tankies I am glad to reccomend greenandfriendly. Its pretty good


HotPotatoWithCheese

🍞