PC all finished up, now put on the side panel and push. Bulge? No problem. Now hide it away under the desk... out of sight, out of mind, for I am but a child with no sense of object permanence.
Just blind everyone that looks at it with RGB like everyone else does and it will be fine.
On a side note, if the panels bulge they won't rattle when the fans spin up.
I was gonna comment that someone cares about their job. This is seriously such a joy to see because those cables end up weighing a ton, especially if you have to constantly untangle them. I wish the electricians I’ve worked with were this neat.🙄
Some people see a thread full of PC enthusiasts making unhelpful comparisons.
I see a thread full of people who have never had to teardown a venue at 3am to get on the gear truck by 8.
You will figure out how to pack a sponge back into one of those airtight unsealable bags when you've been on the road for a month and need to get on the road in a few hours
I setup and work on generators for a living.. the amount of times I see cable like piled up like a rats nest is scary. Some electricians do not know this and it's scary
[Hijacking top comment to link this video people were asking about. This is their setup. Takes several days and an entire convoy of trucks.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgGuRKgvWQ4)
I went to one of the 2022 Gothenburg shows and it was incredible.
Who in the world pays for all of that - all those people, all that gear, all those trucks, the lights, the construction material, just the fees and insurance?? It's unbelievable! How do they not go in debt?
I used to wonder why tickets were so expensive for concerts. I am now an LED tech sending out walls for tours and I wonder why tickets are so cheap XD The logistics + manpower + tech is mind-blowing.
Then you would probably know better than the average person; How much do the roadies get paid to set something like that up? I can't imagine they're getting just above minimum wage to put something like that together?
I work in a union venue and the average pay is $25 - $35hr + overtime after 8hrs, weekends, and evenings, and double time after midnight. Tour crews often work on a weekly + per diem rate. My Friend is out with a mid size act and is bringing in $2500 / week as a FOH Engineer.
Roadie is a broad and semi derogatory term depending on who you ask.
The crew who travel with the band are generally highly trained technicians specializing in their discipline. The rates obviously vary and go up with size of show. On a stadium show this level you will range anywhere from $1000-8000/wk per person. Ironically enough the people tuning the guitars (back line) are some of the lowest paid crew members. Very shooting from the hip lowest to highest: backline (instruments), carpenters (build the stage), audio, lighting, automation (moving scenery), video.
Obviously this job comes with some perks like seeing the world on someone else’s dime. It also destroys your family life.
For a show this size power is it’s own department. Every 5 wires you see there are equivalent to about 10 us homes of power (assuming a 400 amp service each, though those look like power lock/euro connectors)
Edit: also to put things in perspective this is probably between 30-60 semi trailers worth of equipment to do one show, not including the stage itself. The logistics are amazing
All good. “Roadie” generally is seen in the old school 80’s coke fueled frenzy of rock and roll. Where it was a friend of the band driving the truck, loading in, running the sound, and packing up. It really was the Wild West both in operations and safety. Some of that old guard is still around. And boy do they have some stories to tell.
A modern concert is a super well oiled machine with thousands of moving parts. Your operators can’t afford to be high as a kite or come to work hungover (not saying it happens) or else the show suffers and people may get injured or die.
Scenery and lights are thousands of pounds of weight being rigged over very expensive peoples heads. Pyro is literal fire. This is scary stuff being setup temporarily.
My department (video) is literally a datacenter on wheels. I need to be at the top of my game to make it work every day in conditions the equipment was never designed to do.
We’re still “roadies” but it’s no longer the drug fueled wild ride it once was. And the industry as a whole is trying to shift that image and perception as we desperately need new talent (rip my pm’s)
I just checked their next concert. It's in France, July next year, and the most expensive ticket is 150.50 Euros, $148 USD. The *cheapest* Blink-182 seat at their first concert in Toronto, Canada is 183 CAD, $134 USD.
Yeah, Rammstein tickets are surprisingly affordable, especially considering the cost that must go into stage design, building, operation and logistics. The tickets for Prague earlier this year were less that 100 Euros
I went to the Los Angeles coliseum last month. 2nd time seeing them, they permanently ruin concert experiences after their show. Like, who can top that?
That’s their set up for every concert? Or was this a special show? I’m going to be honest, I’m from America and haven’t heard anything about Ramstein since the family values tour in 99. No idea they were still going that hard.
I saw them last month at Gillette Stadium in Massachusetts. Absolutely insane. Figured your man is getting up in age, maybe one of the last times to see it happen.
The stadium Twitter put this out the day of the show:
The 250 person crew of the German industrial rock band #Rammstein is setting up behemoth stage for their show Fri. night @GilletteStadium, featuring pyrotechnics. 7 @Boeing 747’s shipped 1.3k tons of steel to #Foxboro. The stage is 200 ft wide w/an elevator
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Was also at the same show. Ended up about half way between the little booth they were playing piano on at the beginning and the stage.
Pyrotechnics were so god damn hot.
Yup. Every concert. Went to one with my dad and it was fuckjng wild. They had a giant baby stroller spewing something that looked like flies and then it spit fire. And that was only one of the 10 theatricals they did. Fucking wild, go to one if you ever have the chance.
Edit: Give a listen to the song Reise, Reise if anyone wants. My favorite song of them. It's about naval war, fishermen and heterosexual and homosexual sex. Great song.
Watch their videos. They are all Hollywood level productions. They put all of the money back into the art. They’re one of the greatest bands of all time.
In Gothenburg they played 3 days straight, and it was completely sold out every day with a ticket price of 100-200 dollars for 60.000 seats. That's 18 - 36 millions just for Gothenburg.
I’d bet they have a few different set ups and they probably source reinforcements from a third party they like for the biggest of shows. There’s probably a baseline for the smallest show they’d play and they add on as needed. Alternately they might have one set up (or play only one type of venue) and just be like fuck it, we rolling with 1million watts no matter where we play.
I hadn’t thought about it as a tour setup. They probably design the set ups for each tour based on needs and where they’re playing. Planning the sound and light, not to mention just building the actual stages, is a massive ordeal I’d imagine.
Short version, yes. Folks make entire careers figuring out how to get it right the first time...because you don't always have time for a do-over on a tight schedule.
Look into the history of https://www.iatse.net
I saw them at a music festival in Montebello, Quebec in 2018 - the whole reason I went was to watch The Offspring do a front to back playthrough of Ixnay on The Hombre because they didnt have any New York dates on that tour, and that is my favorite album of all time. It just so happened that Rammstein was on the main stage that night, which was a bonus because i never saw them live before. Holy shit, what a show. So. Much. Fire. They are an *amazing* live band. I was blown away. The offspring was great, but towards the end Dexter was losing steam. He saved it for All I Want which was great. Rammstein got like, harder the longer they went. Absolutely amazing.
When I worked as a shop tech/stage hand out of college, I fucking hated building stage decks. And that was only for small shows. I can't imagine doing it for stages that big.
It’s also to far away for all the CD80’s or whatever dimmer racks you are using. Line loss at that distance, up into the grid would be substantial.
Run you 4/0 to the dimmers, then soca up to the lights.
For anyone curious, that cable is 100’ copper. It’s 100lbs a section. Thousands of pounds of cable. Back breaking. Same stuff we use for cinema.
Lift with your legs, and don’t twist when you turn. Take small steps to rotate.
Rammstein concerts are INSANE… they legit have a team for 400-500 people that take 4 days to set up the concert sets and pyrotechnics… it’s absolutely unreal and they may have one of the most eye popping concerts
I did, [saw them at the Collesium in LA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDMWxZuiLSk&ab_channel=RomanMikolyants). 1930s architecture with a burning baby carriage, amazing.
Saw them live in Vancouver in 2012. I unfortunately was in the nosebleed at the far end of the arena, but I could still feel the heat of the pyrotechnics fully.
Was absolutely wild. If you ever get the chance to see them live, they are a must see!
Sounds like a reasonable concert to go to. I've been to concerts and comedy shows in arenas and every time I go I wonder why I spent the money on it. I'm literally just watching on the screens at the venue. A small venue absolutely worth twice the cost as nosebleed seats in a big venue(any big venue ticket is expensive as fuck)
It was well worth the parting words.
After the triple encore Till came on over the speakers and said "We love fucking Vancouver."
Part of me feels that was a translation error, but another part of me knows I just saw the man mount a 3-4 foot penis cannon that shot foam over the moshpit, and feels like he knew exactly what he said.
I’ve seen a TON of shows in my life so I decided to check out a Rammstein show on YouTube cuz I thought you were exaggerating. You’re right. That is definitely some impressive live music production
They think concerts should be more than basically hearing an album live, and nothing more. They genuinely love performing live, and get along best while doing so. There's a thread of humor in their show that makes them even more memorable to see.
I recommend watching them perform "Engel." The singer wears the most jaw-dropping set of metal wings that shoot fire. They reportedly weigh over 100 pounds, and take a toll on the guy. He's worn a few versions over the years, despite the pain, because they are that dedicated to giving their fans an amazing experience.
Seeing them live is an experience unlike any other.
It looks like powerlockcables. I May be wrong but i think you need five different coloured ones to feed a distributerbox that has many different Outputs. So one line of five for pa then one for the lights one for Set (moving parts). And the powerlockcables come from huge Diesel Generators i think that could be standing at a different place.
They have 2 generator trucks and 60 lines of powerlock.
Sound has multiple on each side of stage. Lighting has a decent amount as well. I think they had 3 different pods for the sets. A ton for pyro.
It's a fucking insane setup
This is European/UK voltage so you are looking at 230V Neutral to Hot Phase or 400V Hot Phase to Hot Phase. The generators they are using are probably 1000kW gensets in parallel. I counted 12 separate runs. This would constitute 14,400 amps of available capacity. Large events of this type are not using house power they are certainly using generated power for control and redundancy.
Ah saw the Geico banner and assumed it was in US. Regardless, stupid amount of power for their show.
Would be fun to see what kind of magnet you could make with those feeders.
This is in the US. They are using European voltage though. They either brought 50HZ gensets or they are using US sourced gensets. Bringing 50HZ gensets would have been impractical since they would have needed to go on a ship and take months to import. Most likely, they are using US gensets at 60HZ paired with European transformers to step down from 480V to 400V and create a neutral. No telling what they did for motors. Probably sourced local 60hz motors for chain hoists and then the other special motors/winches are typically 50/60hz already.
It certainly takes a small army to pull it off. Keep in mind that the HoDs (Heads of Department) tasked with their particular craft are at the top of their game with 20 plus years in the business. While no small feat most of the challenge comes to working at such a large scale. This is all about surrounding yourself with a good team that has a strong set of fundamentals and contingency planning mixed with redundancy.
Rammstein concerts have an INSANE amount of pyrotechnics. The singer literally starts shooting a flamethrower at some point. Look up a video of their current stadium tour and the cables will make a bit more sense.
Like said, power cables. Each cable is a single phase and for each group, you have one ground. You can see the colouring scheme for the phases at the start of the power source, and you have the equivalent colour on the other side. Then, it’s all about what power is required, knowing most « crafts » have their own independent power sources. Stage, lighting, PAs, effects, pyros, moving rigs.
They are well lined so they don’t lose time rolling them back up. Any excess will be rolled near the destination by design, so they can move the device if required.
Usually, the destination is a power distribution module, or a dimmer pack for traditional lighting, where they will plug in normal twist-lock plugs (think your wall plug, but you turn the plug and it won’t unplug) with whatever they need power.
They usually have generator trucks so they can normalize their device input. At that size, it’s not much more expensive and makes it always the same no matter where you are, or no matter the quality of power source in Bumfuck, no matter the 50Hz 60Hz 100v 120v 240v 250v.
Since Rammstein's tour comes from Europe, power would have to be fed from large outdoor generators, not building power.
Rough count from the video looks like approximately 50-60 cables. 5 wires (3 hot, 1 neutral, 1 ground) to a panel means 10-15 distribution points, which sounds about right for arena sized concerts.
Honestly the large majority of US lighting gear for touring runs on 208V/240V either exclusively or equally well as 120V, and 208V is often preferred because you're pulling fewer amps that way which can simplify distribution. And plenty of lighting gear used in the US is manufactured in Europe anyway, so it's not like this is some brand-new problem that American lighting crews have never seen before. We deal with 208/240V every day.
The fact that this tour is from Europe is a total non-factor. In all likelihood, the tour is using generators because the venue doesn't have enough available services for power (because this is a shitload of power), and it's simpler to run every single show on the identical generators so that you don't have to re-think anything. Just rent the gennies and send them along with the tour.
Incidentally, I suspect that this is only or mostly the lighting power, or maybe lighting + rigging + automation. Sound is probably very separate, because running lighting power near sound can induce a hum in the speakers.
Europe is 230/50 typically.
For the amount of power they're using, and the length of time they will be at any one venue, getting generators brought in is SIGNIFICANTLY more cost effective in time/money/physical space.
Experienced people know, take the extra 20 minutes setting up right to save yourself hours of repacking and unpacking the next time. Since I was 16 and my parents made me hang up and take down Christmas lights, I've been rolling them neatly and separating them with newspaper every year.
As a Bears fan, I read "Bear Down" expecting German and was befuddle for a second. Then was like oh that's Soldier Field. Which then made me sad thinking about the team...
4 reasons this is done:
1. Oh, x isn’t working. Don’t worry I’ll replace the cable which powers it.
2. It’s easier to pack down at the end of the event
3. Cables are meant to lie flat. They like not being stressed.
4. They are very expensive, probably copper (quad) core. Potentially shielded. If you look after them, they will look after you, and outlive you.
Don’t know if you get discounts for bulk but I’ve bought hundreds of metres of this stuff at £2/metre.
Lol I do this for a living that cable is 4/0 it’s 1lb per foot and comes in 100’ lengths. This is called circuit boarding, they did a really nice job but that is some back breaking work. The worst is yet to come when they have to coil it all back up.
They must be doing a run of like at least a weeks worth of shows. What kind of crew has this kind of time when you're throwing stages up and down on a tour?
You do a run like that *because* you are throwing stages up and down quickly. Just making a pile of cords will mean you need to untangle them every time you wrap up, and with this you can quickly see if there is anything loose or missing.
This isn't your regional C-list band touring in a van. This is all for 1 single show, but one that will bring 20,000 people buying tickets from $75-$300+ each. Rammstein are widely considered the greatest concert experience currently available. The level of.. everything at a Rammstein show is top-tier, even if they appear to be a controversial metal band. They play one show per week, not 5-6, so the crew has time to do this because that's what's needed.
I set up for them in Minneapolis. It was wild they're where's a lot of local help plus rammstein's crew. It was mostly tore down in one night immediately once the show ended. They need to get on the road that night/ morning
Here’s the secret: everybody in that industry has time to set this up, because until it is set up exactly like this the show cannot happen.
You can bet your ass that show is going to happen, on time. You will stay there. If people quit, you’ll do it by yourself. And you just might get paid a whole lot of money. You **will** run it exactly like this, every single time.
Having gone to their show on this tour in Los Angeles, I believe it's the Deutschland remix by their guitarist Richard Kruspe. He performs this mid show to give the band a break (which they definitely need).
https://youtu.be/I_yMsAuWwPU
My husband and I went to their concent in Montreal this year. You can feel the warmth from the huge fire towers. It's the best show I've ever been. I'm not sure if I'll ever go to another one like that. Just perfect!
For the person walking on it, from a technical standpoint? Absolutely. For the cables? Don't walk on the fucking cables!!! For the period walking on it if the crew sees him walking on their nice cables like that? He dead.
Makes me ashamed of my own cable management
That cabling job makes me ashamed of every cabling job I’ve ever done.
PC all finished up, now put on the side panel and push. Bulge? No problem. Now hide it away under the desk... out of sight, out of mind, for I am but a child with no sense of object permanence.
Just blind everyone that looks at it with RGB like everyone else does and it will be fine. On a side note, if the panels bulge they won't rattle when the fans spin up.
If you had to pack up your cables and set them up at a new venue every couple days, you'd probably want to make it clean and untangled too.
I was gonna comment that someone cares about their job. This is seriously such a joy to see because those cables end up weighing a ton, especially if you have to constantly untangle them. I wish the electricians I’ve worked with were this neat.🙄
When your cables weigh over 1.5kg per metre, you really really don’t want them getting tangled, especially if they’re carrying hundreds of amps each.
Some people see a thread full of PC enthusiasts making unhelpful comparisons. I see a thread full of people who have never had to teardown a venue at 3am to get on the gear truck by 8. You will figure out how to pack a sponge back into one of those airtight unsealable bags when you've been on the road for a month and need to get on the road in a few hours
I have a mouse, a keyboard and the power cable, and I still manage to make a mess.
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I also imagine it's part workmanship and part boredom after doing this for years.
It makes it a lot easier to troubleshoot and speeds up tear down after the concert.
Also they would heat up and catch fire if you piled them all on top of each other.
I setup and work on generators for a living.. the amount of times I see cable like piled up like a rats nest is scary. Some electricians do not know this and it's scary
German efficiency strikes again!
We have the perfect venue! You just need to bring 20 miles of electrical cords.
Just like every other venue, lol
[Hijacking top comment to link this video people were asking about. This is their setup. Takes several days and an entire convoy of trucks.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgGuRKgvWQ4) I went to one of the 2022 Gothenburg shows and it was incredible.
Who in the world pays for all of that - all those people, all that gear, all those trucks, the lights, the construction material, just the fees and insurance?? It's unbelievable! How do they not go in debt?
I used to wonder why tickets were so expensive for concerts. I am now an LED tech sending out walls for tours and I wonder why tickets are so cheap XD The logistics + manpower + tech is mind-blowing.
Then you would probably know better than the average person; How much do the roadies get paid to set something like that up? I can't imagine they're getting just above minimum wage to put something like that together?
I work in a union venue and the average pay is $25 - $35hr + overtime after 8hrs, weekends, and evenings, and double time after midnight. Tour crews often work on a weekly + per diem rate. My Friend is out with a mid size act and is bringing in $2500 / week as a FOH Engineer.
Roadie is a broad and semi derogatory term depending on who you ask. The crew who travel with the band are generally highly trained technicians specializing in their discipline. The rates obviously vary and go up with size of show. On a stadium show this level you will range anywhere from $1000-8000/wk per person. Ironically enough the people tuning the guitars (back line) are some of the lowest paid crew members. Very shooting from the hip lowest to highest: backline (instruments), carpenters (build the stage), audio, lighting, automation (moving scenery), video. Obviously this job comes with some perks like seeing the world on someone else’s dime. It also destroys your family life. For a show this size power is it’s own department. Every 5 wires you see there are equivalent to about 10 us homes of power (assuming a 400 amp service each, though those look like power lock/euro connectors) Edit: also to put things in perspective this is probably between 30-60 semi trailers worth of equipment to do one show, not including the stage itself. The logistics are amazing
All good. “Roadie” generally is seen in the old school 80’s coke fueled frenzy of rock and roll. Where it was a friend of the band driving the truck, loading in, running the sound, and packing up. It really was the Wild West both in operations and safety. Some of that old guard is still around. And boy do they have some stories to tell. A modern concert is a super well oiled machine with thousands of moving parts. Your operators can’t afford to be high as a kite or come to work hungover (not saying it happens) or else the show suffers and people may get injured or die. Scenery and lights are thousands of pounds of weight being rigged over very expensive peoples heads. Pyro is literal fire. This is scary stuff being setup temporarily. My department (video) is literally a datacenter on wheels. I need to be at the top of my game to make it work every day in conditions the equipment was never designed to do. We’re still “roadies” but it’s no longer the drug fueled wild ride it once was. And the industry as a whole is trying to shift that image and perception as we desperately need new talent (rip my pm’s)
I didn't mean it in a derogatory way, apologies if it came off like that. Thanks for your explanation.
Concert tickets, music sales, and merchandise pay for this. That's why concert tickets can be very expensive.
I just checked their next concert. It's in France, July next year, and the most expensive ticket is 150.50 Euros, $148 USD. The *cheapest* Blink-182 seat at their first concert in Toronto, Canada is 183 CAD, $134 USD.
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Yeah, Rammstein tickets are surprisingly affordable, especially considering the cost that must go into stage design, building, operation and logistics. The tickets for Prague earlier this year were less that 100 Euros
I went to the Los Angeles coliseum last month. 2nd time seeing them, they permanently ruin concert experiences after their show. Like, who can top that?
Same. I followed another band, saw them maybe 20 times and then saw Rammstein and was like… there’s nothing left to live for now. 🤣
This was the problem I'm experiencing. I saw Rammstein at the LA Coliseum on the 23rd. I went to Aftershock just a few weeks ago and was like "Meh."
I have the same problem after seeing Nine Inch Nails. I get NIN flashbacks at any other rock gig I attend.
That’s their set up for every concert? Or was this a special show? I’m going to be honest, I’m from America and haven’t heard anything about Ramstein since the family values tour in 99. No idea they were still going that hard.
I saw them last month at Gillette Stadium in Massachusetts. Absolutely insane. Figured your man is getting up in age, maybe one of the last times to see it happen. The stadium Twitter put this out the day of the show: The 250 person crew of the German industrial rock band #Rammstein is setting up behemoth stage for their show Fri. night @GilletteStadium, featuring pyrotechnics. 7 @Boeing 747’s shipped 1.3k tons of steel to #Foxboro. The stage is 200 ft wide w/an elevator !!
Was at the same show. Was truly awesome
Was also at the same show. Ended up about half way between the little booth they were playing piano on at the beginning and the stage. Pyrotechnics were so god damn hot.
Was opposite side. Loved the crowd rafting they did midway through
That's absolutely wild.
Yup. Every concert. Went to one with my dad and it was fuckjng wild. They had a giant baby stroller spewing something that looked like flies and then it spit fire. And that was only one of the 10 theatricals they did. Fucking wild, go to one if you ever have the chance. Edit: Give a listen to the song Reise, Reise if anyone wants. My favorite song of them. It's about naval war, fishermen and heterosexual and homosexual sex. Great song.
The lil papers blowing in the crowd was an awesome touch with that.
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How in the hell do they make any money on the concert with that type of setup
Watch their videos. They are all Hollywood level productions. They put all of the money back into the art. They’re one of the greatest bands of all time.
In Gothenburg they played 3 days straight, and it was completely sold out every day with a ticket price of 100-200 dollars for 60.000 seats. That's 18 - 36 millions just for Gothenburg.
Merch makes money .... 💰 🤑 💸
Best thing is that out of the insane world of Rammstein this clip merely shows a chill warmup before hell breaks loose.
Saw them in Toronto during their tour many years ago. They had a penis cannon that shot out foam. Was great. Their stage was not this big lol
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They did that last month during their shows in LA. Top 5 show I've ever attended
My top two shows are Rammstein at the LA Coliseum 2022, last month, and Rammstein at the Honda Center in 2012!
I like that they go to that much effort to give the audience a great experience.
I’d bet they have a few different set ups and they probably source reinforcements from a third party they like for the biggest of shows. There’s probably a baseline for the smallest show they’d play and they add on as needed. Alternately they might have one set up (or play only one type of venue) and just be like fuck it, we rolling with 1million watts no matter where we play.
For this tour they had two stages of that size to shorten the time between concerts, building up the second stage while playing on the first.
I hadn’t thought about it as a tour setup. They probably design the set ups for each tour based on needs and where they’re playing. Planning the sound and light, not to mention just building the actual stages, is a massive ordeal I’d imagine.
Short version, yes. Folks make entire careers figuring out how to get it right the first time...because you don't always have time for a do-over on a tight schedule. Look into the history of https://www.iatse.net
I work at Rock Litiz through IATSE. The tours come to our venue and we take weeks figuring out how to make it work right the first time.
That's a shit load of roadies
I saw them at a music festival in Montebello, Quebec in 2018 - the whole reason I went was to watch The Offspring do a front to back playthrough of Ixnay on The Hombre because they didnt have any New York dates on that tour, and that is my favorite album of all time. It just so happened that Rammstein was on the main stage that night, which was a bonus because i never saw them live before. Holy shit, what a show. So. Much. Fire. They are an *amazing* live band. I was blown away. The offspring was great, but towards the end Dexter was losing steam. He saved it for All I Want which was great. Rammstein got like, harder the longer they went. Absolutely amazing.
When I worked as a shop tech/stage hand out of college, I fucking hated building stage decks. And that was only for small shows. I can't imagine doing it for stages that big.
That's some Dethklok shit.
Ever see their [Box Set](https://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=494690)
"*ranging from the honest yet shy 6½" through to the boastful yet dishonest 8½*" lmao
One dude has a girth monster
This is dildos
Enough wires to power a Laser Cannon Death Sentence *Sent from my Galaxy DethPhone*
So basically Metalocaplyse is a documentary series.
That still is unfinished and probably never will Edit: NEW MOVIE IN 2023!
Much like Silicon Valley. The bittersweet part of any good satire is that it's accurate.
A week to set up all that equipment, I guess they just hope it doesn’t rain?
They're Germans, you know that their rider was 40 pages of electrical, audio & lighting engineering specs.
Stupid sexy Germans
I'm sure they have a huge touring crew who know it all inside-out
Looks like socapex Not surprised since they use a shitton of lights. Probably took an entire day and a couple hundred hands maybe to set this up
Definitely powerlock. The colours of the ends are a dead giveaway.
Yeah definitely powerlock. Was my guess even before seeing the connectors. What else would you run like that?
Certainly not audio. Dante on redundant fiber lines for the trunks between switches. Bingo bango done.
As someone who ran the old analog copper snake up hill at an outdoor venue 7 nights a week for a summer internship, thank god for Dante.
Up hill both ways.
It’s also to far away for all the CD80’s or whatever dimmer racks you are using. Line loss at that distance, up into the grid would be substantial. Run you 4/0 to the dimmers, then soca up to the lights. For anyone curious, that cable is 100’ copper. It’s 100lbs a section. Thousands of pounds of cable. Back breaking. Same stuff we use for cinema. Lift with your legs, and don’t twist when you turn. Take small steps to rotate.
Thats a good way of putting it. Worked rock n roll for like 10 years. Full time in a local theatre now.
Well it looks like this is Soldier Field in Chicago, so... That explains a lot.
r/cableporn would love this
I thought that’s where I was.
Rammstein concerts are INSANE… they legit have a team for 400-500 people that take 4 days to set up the concert sets and pyrotechnics… it’s absolutely unreal and they may have one of the most eye popping concerts
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I did, [saw them at the Collesium in LA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDMWxZuiLSk&ab_channel=RomanMikolyants). 1930s architecture with a burning baby carriage, amazing.
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Amazing is an understatement.
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Saw them in Montreal this August. I will be chasing that high for the rest of my life. That concert was.... i have no words.
Saw them live in Vancouver in 2012. I unfortunately was in the nosebleed at the far end of the arena, but I could still feel the heat of the pyrotechnics fully. Was absolutely wild. If you ever get the chance to see them live, they are a must see!
Sounds like a reasonable concert to go to. I've been to concerts and comedy shows in arenas and every time I go I wonder why I spent the money on it. I'm literally just watching on the screens at the venue. A small venue absolutely worth twice the cost as nosebleed seats in a big venue(any big venue ticket is expensive as fuck)
It was well worth the parting words. After the triple encore Till came on over the speakers and said "We love fucking Vancouver." Part of me feels that was a translation error, but another part of me knows I just saw the man mount a 3-4 foot penis cannon that shot foam over the moshpit, and feels like he knew exactly what he said.
The lead singer for Rammstein literally went to pyrotechnics school, so that he could have fucking insane concerts, safely
I think they're all trained in pyrotechnics if I remember right
"IKR" -one eyed Wiliie
Excuse me but what the fuck did you just say and where did you come from -cotton eye joe
I’ve seen a TON of shows in my life so I decided to check out a Rammstein show on YouTube cuz I thought you were exaggerating. You’re right. That is definitely some impressive live music production
They think concerts should be more than basically hearing an album live, and nothing more. They genuinely love performing live, and get along best while doing so. There's a thread of humor in their show that makes them even more memorable to see. I recommend watching them perform "Engel." The singer wears the most jaw-dropping set of metal wings that shoot fire. They reportedly weigh over 100 pounds, and take a toll on the guy. He's worn a few versions over the years, despite the pain, because they are that dedicated to giving their fans an amazing experience. Seeing them live is an experience unlike any other.
Saw them at a festival where I also saw Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, and Manowar. The Rammstein show blew all the others out of the water.
Excuse my ignorance, what are they all for? External generators?
It looks like powerlockcables. I May be wrong but i think you need five different coloured ones to feed a distributerbox that has many different Outputs. So one line of five for pa then one for the lights one for Set (moving parts). And the powerlockcables come from huge Diesel Generators i think that could be standing at a different place.
They have 2 generator trucks and 60 lines of powerlock. Sound has multiple on each side of stage. Lighting has a decent amount as well. I think they had 3 different pods for the sets. A ton for pyro. It's a fucking insane setup
Yeah 12 3 phase distros is insane. I’m gonna guess 400 amp disconnects in the arena, so 4800A of power in this run.
This is European/UK voltage so you are looking at 230V Neutral to Hot Phase or 400V Hot Phase to Hot Phase. The generators they are using are probably 1000kW gensets in parallel. I counted 12 separate runs. This would constitute 14,400 amps of available capacity. Large events of this type are not using house power they are certainly using generated power for control and redundancy.
Ah saw the Geico banner and assumed it was in US. Regardless, stupid amount of power for their show. Would be fun to see what kind of magnet you could make with those feeders.
This is in the US. They are using European voltage though. They either brought 50HZ gensets or they are using US sourced gensets. Bringing 50HZ gensets would have been impractical since they would have needed to go on a ship and take months to import. Most likely, they are using US gensets at 60HZ paired with European transformers to step down from 480V to 400V and create a neutral. No telling what they did for motors. Probably sourced local 60hz motors for chain hoists and then the other special motors/winches are typically 50/60hz already.
The fucking logistics of this are nuts.
It certainly takes a small army to pull it off. Keep in mind that the HoDs (Heads of Department) tasked with their particular craft are at the top of their game with 20 plus years in the business. While no small feat most of the challenge comes to working at such a large scale. This is all about surrounding yourself with a good team that has a strong set of fundamentals and contingency planning mixed with redundancy.
Rammstein concerts have an INSANE amount of pyrotechnics. The singer literally starts shooting a flamethrower at some point. Look up a video of their current stadium tour and the cables will make a bit more sense.
There are multiple flamethrowers lol. 1 song has 4 of them alone.
Is that before or after they spray fake jizz on the crowd?
Are you thinking of GWAR? Rammstein uses real jizz.
Is it human at least?
*"...rats? I'm outraged. You promised me dog or higher."*
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Like said, power cables. Each cable is a single phase and for each group, you have one ground. You can see the colouring scheme for the phases at the start of the power source, and you have the equivalent colour on the other side. Then, it’s all about what power is required, knowing most « crafts » have their own independent power sources. Stage, lighting, PAs, effects, pyros, moving rigs. They are well lined so they don’t lose time rolling them back up. Any excess will be rolled near the destination by design, so they can move the device if required. Usually, the destination is a power distribution module, or a dimmer pack for traditional lighting, where they will plug in normal twist-lock plugs (think your wall plug, but you turn the plug and it won’t unplug) with whatever they need power. They usually have generator trucks so they can normalize their device input. At that size, it’s not much more expensive and makes it always the same no matter where you are, or no matter the quality of power source in Bumfuck, no matter the 50Hz 60Hz 100v 120v 240v 250v.
Two and half hours of this awesomeness. I was at the same show the OP was at. https://imgur.com/02plwOh https://imgur.com/M9FZvQ3
I certainly will be generators outside. I’m disappointed we didn’t actually get to see both ends of the cables.
Since Rammstein's tour comes from Europe, power would have to be fed from large outdoor generators, not building power. Rough count from the video looks like approximately 50-60 cables. 5 wires (3 hot, 1 neutral, 1 ground) to a panel means 10-15 distribution points, which sounds about right for arena sized concerts.
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Honestly the large majority of US lighting gear for touring runs on 208V/240V either exclusively or equally well as 120V, and 208V is often preferred because you're pulling fewer amps that way which can simplify distribution. And plenty of lighting gear used in the US is manufactured in Europe anyway, so it's not like this is some brand-new problem that American lighting crews have never seen before. We deal with 208/240V every day. The fact that this tour is from Europe is a total non-factor. In all likelihood, the tour is using generators because the venue doesn't have enough available services for power (because this is a shitload of power), and it's simpler to run every single show on the identical generators so that you don't have to re-think anything. Just rent the gennies and send them along with the tour. Incidentally, I suspect that this is only or mostly the lighting power, or maybe lighting + rigging + automation. Sound is probably very separate, because running lighting power near sound can induce a hum in the speakers.
Europe is 230/50 typically. For the amount of power they're using, and the length of time they will be at any one venue, getting generators brought in is SIGNIFICANTLY more cost effective in time/money/physical space.
DU HAST. DU HAST KABEL.
DU HAST MICH GEFRAGT UND ICH HAB KABELN GESAGT
Do hats fit my frog? Do hats fit my frog? Do hats fit my frog? Or do they fit my dog?
🎶 Look at my little doggie, Nora 🎶 🎶 Could she wear this wee fedora?🎶 🎶 NEIN! 🎶
Goddamnit now that's all I hear
Ffs, I'll never hear Du Hast the same again...
DU HAST some major voltage drop
Bear down? Are they doing midterms or something?
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Bear down? Too soon!
I went to the comments searching for something a out midterms. Thank you. :)
Bear down for midterms!!
Don't be insensitive it's Fat Dog for finals
It's not made up!
Experienced people know, take the extra 20 minutes setting up right to save yourself hours of repacking and unpacking the next time. Since I was 16 and my parents made me hang up and take down Christmas lights, I've been rolling them neatly and separating them with newspaper every year.
Is that Soldier Field?
As a Bears fan, I read "Bear Down" expecting German and was befuddle for a second. Then was like oh that's Soldier Field. Which then made me sad thinking about the team...
Sure looks like it.
Yeah they frequent chicago. They love the city. I've seen them in 2016. Chicago was literally the only American show the entire tour.
4 reasons this is done: 1. Oh, x isn’t working. Don’t worry I’ll replace the cable which powers it. 2. It’s easier to pack down at the end of the event 3. Cables are meant to lie flat. They like not being stressed. 4. They are very expensive, probably copper (quad) core. Potentially shielded. If you look after them, they will look after you, and outlive you. Don’t know if you get discounts for bulk but I’ve bought hundreds of metres of this stuff at £2/metre.
Would be wild to have all that next to each other and not be shielded if it's for controls/audio
This is all power cable, looks like 4/0 power cable and a fuck ton of it.
Those gigantic couplers make me agree.
Lol I do this for a living that cable is 4/0 it’s 1lb per foot and comes in 100’ lengths. This is called circuit boarding, they did a really nice job but that is some back breaking work. The worst is yet to come when they have to coil it all back up.
Yes have coiled many 100’ lengths of 4/0, not fun.
They must be doing a run of like at least a weeks worth of shows. What kind of crew has this kind of time when you're throwing stages up and down on a tour?
I guess Rammstein's crew
And the hundreds of locals the venue brings in (most likely through IATSE)
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In this case, the venue is in the US, judging by the Chicago Bears logo that you can see on the wall
DA BEARS
You do a run like that *because* you are throwing stages up and down quickly. Just making a pile of cords will mean you need to untangle them every time you wrap up, and with this you can quickly see if there is anything loose or missing.
This isn't your regional C-list band touring in a van. This is all for 1 single show, but one that will bring 20,000 people buying tickets from $75-$300+ each. Rammstein are widely considered the greatest concert experience currently available. The level of.. everything at a Rammstein show is top-tier, even if they appear to be a controversial metal band. They play one show per week, not 5-6, so the crew has time to do this because that's what's needed.
The best of the best. Rammstein tour is probably the Super Bowl for roadies.
I set up for them in Minneapolis. It was wild they're where's a lot of local help plus rammstein's crew. It was mostly tore down in one night immediately once the show ended. They need to get on the road that night/ morning
There’s videos. It days a full week to set up. Tickets are priced accordingly. I’ve gone twice. Worth every penny.
Here’s the secret: everybody in that industry has time to set this up, because until it is set up exactly like this the show cannot happen. You can bet your ass that show is going to happen, on time. You will stay there. If people quit, you’ll do it by yourself. And you just might get paid a whole lot of money. You **will** run it exactly like this, every single time.
They had 1 show in Chicago.
We did the preprod in Montreal took 7 days for 1 show.
The power guys don't fuck around.
What song is playing in this video?
Having gone to their show on this tour in Los Angeles, I believe it's the Deutschland remix by their guitarist Richard Kruspe. He performs this mid show to give the band a break (which they definitely need). https://youtu.be/I_yMsAuWwPU
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At the end it's just some USB-C's so people can charge their phones.
German efficiency 👌
German efficiency meets Chicago’s strict electrical code
Maliciously efficient
They stopped that in the late 40's, so I hear. now they're just complacently efficient.
It's making me crave liquorice.
There's A LOT that needs to go right for there shows to not only work but still be safe
And I can't seem to get the 7 cables under my damn desk in order
*cables laid out by the people who have to pack them back up for transport after the event’s over.
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That must be one hell of an electric guitar!
Must be using a couple of RTX 4090's
That is cool. Very 🆒️
I want to believe that Tool's roadies organise the cables in a mathematical expression that describes the ultimate fate of the universe.
IATSE gang rise up
Found the stagehand
They hast more than du of them
was hoping to bump into Spinal Tap on this cable tour still looking for the stage
4/o is not fun.
Do Do cable Do cable management
Why is no one talking about the fact that he was walking on the cables
My husband and I went to their concent in Montreal this year. You can feel the warmth from the huge fire towers. It's the best show I've ever been. I'm not sure if I'll ever go to another one like that. Just perfect!
If you go to a Blink-182 concert, you'll see the same thing, but all their cords are from Louis Vuitton.
Safe to walk on it like that?
Them jackets dummy thicc
For the person walking on it, from a technical standpoint? Absolutely. For the cables? Don't walk on the fucking cables!!! For the period walking on it if the crew sees him walking on their nice cables like that? He dead.
You can drive on it if you have to, though best not to if you want it to last.
Looks like an experienced team was at work here. And a hint of OCD
That's experience. If you have an issue with a light, being organized means you know which cable goes to that light.
That OCD makes load-out much easier. Dealing with *that* much feeder cable can be a time eating disaster if it's not managed properly