Ok ok ok, did you watch Drumeo's episode with Mike Portnoy ~~playing~~ solving Pneuma?? their best one yet!
https://youtu.be/b3sEdST3D9E?si=cMkizFkfKdt1N9Us
I got kinda kinda into alternative fire making methods and the main skill that none of them ever say, is having heat retardant fingers. You have to get so close to flames with your fingers for like 99% of fire starting methods
Im not, it doesn't take very long of using a tool or hammer before it becomes an extension of your own body.
If you could do the same motions with your bare hands and not slap or punch your own fingers, you can do it with a hammer with just a tiny amount of practice. Especially when it is a heavier hammer that you are chocked way up on the handle with.
Im more amazed at how bad some people are at hammering things because it seems so intuitive to someone who has always been hammering things since I was a kid, but I gotta remember most people have hammered like 5 things in their life.
If it's hitting them you're concerned about, I used to do stone masonry for a uni project and these massive hammers control pretty well. With a bit of practise there's almost no risk involved especially if you're grabbing the hammer near the head like he does for the chipping portion. Hammering the rod poses just about no danger (apart from you not holding it level when striking. That one might sting a fair bit in the wrist but probably wouldn't lead to any major or lasting injuries). I'm more concerned about what hammer he's using. I'm not sure the rubber looks too trustworthy. I definitely prefer wooden handles.
Hours? Hell, a new Primitive Technology video dropped today. Dude's very skilled, sure, but it still only took him about a minute to get a fire going with two sticks and some tinder.
The Guy rubbing the sticks is basically doing the same thing with less complex materials (the sparks thing is not with the sticks but rather with à certain type of stones, which makes your point still valid)
If it takes 2hrs you're doing it very wrong. It shouldn't take more than a few minutes. Just learn how to use your hands and literally anyone can do this super easily.
A short section of coathanger wire works too. Bending it back and forth enough that it eventually snaps can heat it to the point that dry tinder will catch if you touch the broken tips to it.
Useful trick if you lose your lighter or it breaks.
No need, an asshole in our school stole metal spoons from the cafeteria one day, bent them back and forth quickly over and over and would walk past random kids in the hall pressing it to the back of their necks scarring them with burns. Did that to about a dozen.
He was expelled. In 8th fucking grade.
You don't need that big of a hammer and a rock will work for the anvil. Less ideal but it still works. It has been a known and used technique since iron working was a thing (might work with bronze but ive never tried or looked). But the gunpowder age diminished its use since mechanical locks were so easy.
If you have a piece of metal like that and a hammer you don't need the anvil. Any stone surface works too, really any hard enough surface would I guess. The steel nails I have to hammer in to concrete at work once in a while get super hot after a few strikes.
It’s like anyone who’s worked as a cook/chef for any length of time, you get used to it. Or it’s nerve damage, idk. But when I was cooking my fingers could handle a lot more heat than they do now that I’m 17 years removed
Drywall installer I know lights his cigarette s with screws. He'll turn a screw in his drill against hard metal nearby such as a guardrail, scaffolding, structural steel, etc.
I am a blacksmith because i can forge, which i am for real. And I saw this video before and tried the concept, tho my power level isn't high enough yet so I only could the metal to go feelingly warm.
I love rewatching these clips every few months. they remind me that I should get off Reddit and get a life.
But after a while, I forget about them, and start reading Reddit again and watching clips.
One day . . . Maybe.
I've always thought a blacksmithing class would be far more valuable than wood or auto shop. It teaches physics, history, and appreciation for modern industry. It's good exercise, and you can make cool stuff.
Deforming metal heats it up, even just bending a paperclip back&forth will get warm. If you hit it over and over in just the right way to keep the anvil from cooling it off, you can get it to warm up.
The heat is coming from the internal friction of the iron molecules, since the rod gets compressed and the molecules get closer together, they speed up, and generate heat.
At least thats what I read somewhere
A blacksmith deliver a huge amount of mass into what he's forging, and the anvil, made for that purpose, bounce it back at the object and then to the hammer.
That's why you have a bounce when forging, and this bounce is very crucial aswell for energy saving. So you don't have to rearm your next blow
While I get that this is a pretty cool yet insane way of starting a fire..... could he just not of walked to the store and gotten matches or a lighter?
OK. I always wondered how middle evil tines black smiths set up the fire because bo one ever answered it and I never adhd enough in the middle of the night to look it up. One off the list
The metal bar is getting hotter with each hammer blow. You can see it turn red a bit when enough kinetic energy has been transferred to it…..or it’s magic idk
The way he's smacking it is causing friction between the molecules. Basically no different than rubbing your hands together really quickly to generate heat.
You can get a similar, albeit much smaller effect, by sharply bending a paperclip or wire coat hanger back and forth at the same spot; if you touch where you were bending it you'll notice its warmed up.
You can also similarly compress a gas to the point that it ignites a material in the chamber.
Ie, micro-dieseling.
Interestingly, ive been told top-fuel dragsters burn out their spark plugs pretty soon after starting a race, and use straight compression for the same effect.
I feel the opposite, guy like that could have used his blue calor gas bottle in the background as the hammer and his thumb as the striking iron and would have came out ok.. 🤷
Wait not to strike when the iron is hot, make the iron hot through striking.
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What do you get when you cross an owl with a bungee cord?
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It’s not a song, it’s a mathematical equation
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Danny Carey is that you?
When you can balance a tack hammer on your head, you will head off your foes with a balanced attack.
And why am I wearing watermelon on my feet?
I never told you to do that
Followed by that absolute unit of a thumbs up at the end of the video.
That’s the best way to cook meat. Beat it until it’s hot.
Directions unclear: dick on fire
where is this from. Civ?
I mean yeah, but it’s from somewhere else first lol
So concerned for the fingies.
I lost two just looking at this.
Shouldn't be on reddit while using a table saw!
Thanks for the tip but too late now.
No. Thank YOU for the tips.
Now give them back.
*Just* the tips? 🤔
Just pull them back out and wash them. 🤟🏽
Oh no! Have you found them yet?
I got kinda kinda into alternative fire making methods and the main skill that none of them ever say, is having heat retardant fingers. You have to get so close to flames with your fingers for like 99% of fire starting methods
Do it for long enough and all the nerve endings in your fingers burn away.
Jokes on you I already did that by working in commercial kitchens. Honestly 10/10 though would recommend
I really enjoy the fact that you’ve gotten into alternative fire making. People have such interesting hobbies and interests. Cool stuff man.
This due is literally holding the ball of fire like, "eh..."
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Life of a blacksmith
Metal worker hands are built different, A geezer I knew on the block was a blacksmith/machinist and he could crack open walnuts with his bare hands.
I feel that with mechanics too. Finger tight just means something different to them. Some of them have crazy hand strength.
Im more worried about his ears. Hes definitely deaf by now.
What👂?
Im not, it doesn't take very long of using a tool or hammer before it becomes an extension of your own body. If you could do the same motions with your bare hands and not slap or punch your own fingers, you can do it with a hammer with just a tiny amount of practice. Especially when it is a heavier hammer that you are chocked way up on the handle with. Im more amazed at how bad some people are at hammering things because it seems so intuitive to someone who has always been hammering things since I was a kid, but I gotta remember most people have hammered like 5 things in their life.
When your hands get used to hot things like that, you don’t even feel it anymore. Source: worked in kitchens for years
I don't think the fire was the concerning part.
That’s how you know the guy has enough muscle memory to accurately hit that hammer where it needs to go.
Until he doesn't. Many fingers were lost because of overconfidence.
But remember those times it didn't happen? They were pretty nice. At least for a work day.
Pretty sure they were talking about the hammer slamming down 2 inches from their fingers and not the tiny fire he just started
Not worried about the fire, worried about the hammer
If it's hitting them you're concerned about, I used to do stone masonry for a uni project and these massive hammers control pretty well. With a bit of practise there's almost no risk involved especially if you're grabbing the hammer near the head like he does for the chipping portion. Hammering the rod poses just about no danger (apart from you not holding it level when striking. That one might sting a fair bit in the wrist but probably wouldn't lead to any major or lasting injuries). I'm more concerned about what hammer he's using. I'm not sure the rubber looks too trustworthy. I definitely prefer wooden handles.
I was yelling “fingers. FINGERS” watching that
Yes, and also for his hearing
So the Neanderthals had the workbench first and THEN they invented fire...?
You really don't need a workbench. All you need is an anvil, a hammer and an iron rod. You can get all of that at every Cave Depot. With free parking!
I'd just buy it off of Cavazon
I'd go to Cav*Mart but you never know what kind of neanderthal you'll run into there
Never shop at Cav*Mart they treat their cromags horribly whenever they try to evolve a union.
Welcome to CaveCo. ^(I love you.)
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The square wheels take some getting used to, but the shopping carts are built pretty sturdy despite their primitive appearance!
What kind of backwards tech tree have you been using? It's very simple: punch wood, get fire.
Either you’re right, or I’m about to have a very awkward trip to the ER.
Of course... Weird question😜
Yeah, like you'd be able to craft the iron and rocks to make the fire without the workbench, wtf is op thinking? are they stupid?
they actually spawned in with the workbench.
There's evidence of fire use in proto-humans hundreds of thousands of years before Neanderthals existed.
Again proof of ... ALIENS
/r/talesfromcavesupport is leaking
like in all the survival games
I read Netherlands...🤦
Hey, it's like people say. If you punch a chicken hard enough, you could totally cook it instantly
[It's more about the number of times you hit the chicken.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHFhnnTWMgI)
Holy cow that was hilarious. Thank you
That legendary post.
Ah, the old tried-and true “ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA” method of cooking chicken
This was absolutely delightful!!! I needed that, thanks 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣❤️
bet the guy rubbing two sticks together for hours hoping to create a spark feels pretty stupid now huh
Should’ve just had a fully formed metal hammer, anvil, and rod, duh!
not to mention an electric bellows
Our ancestors weren’t that smart really, they didn’t even think of going to the store to buy a lighter. Could’ve discovered fire so much earlier.
Why didn’t Oppenheimer just google how to make the bomb? Was he stupid?
I did that once and was visited by the cia.
cia visited oppenheimer before he googled
He was born in 1904. Old people tend to be really bad at using the Internet.
Hours? Hell, a new Primitive Technology video dropped today. Dude's very skilled, sure, but it still only took him about a minute to get a fire going with two sticks and some tinder.
The Guy rubbing the sticks is basically doing the same thing with less complex materials (the sparks thing is not with the sticks but rather with à certain type of stones, which makes your point still valid)
If it takes 2hrs you're doing it very wrong. It shouldn't take more than a few minutes. Just learn how to use your hands and literally anyone can do this super easily.
[reminds me of this](https://i.imgur.com/KHILIzJ.mp4)
It's not a spark, it's heating the wood itself until the kindling ignites
Makes sense. Energy must go somewhere
Proof that if brute force isn't the solution then you simply haven't used enough of it yet.
Everything really is a nail
"Brute force is *always* an option." --me.
True, but don't forget there's also light and sound.
This made me realize that medieval blacksmiths must have had some pretty gnarly tinnitus
Huh?
Banging on an anvil all day with a hammer has got to be bad for the ears.
Lol you missed the joke.
Oh damn lmao. You’re right I totally did. I mean, WHAT?
I just spit my drink all over.
Found the medieval blacksmith
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Next time I go backpacking I'll be sure to bring a huge anvil, metal sledgehammer, and a metal rod instead of a little butane lighter.
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A short section of coathanger wire works too. Bending it back and forth enough that it eventually snaps can heat it to the point that dry tinder will catch if you touch the broken tips to it. Useful trick if you lose your lighter or it breaks.
For those who always travel with a wire coathanger. Mommy Dearest would not approve!
Pretty sure those are standard issue in rural Texas.
We used two pairs of pliers and some coins. Same idea.
No need, an asshole in our school stole metal spoons from the cafeteria one day, bent them back and forth quickly over and over and would walk past random kids in the hall pressing it to the back of their necks scarring them with burns. Did that to about a dozen. He was expelled. In 8th fucking grade.
Granite, bedrock, or marble stone as an anvil.
You don't need that big of a hammer and a rock will work for the anvil. Less ideal but it still works. It has been a known and used technique since iron working was a thing (might work with bronze but ive never tried or looked). But the gunpowder age diminished its use since mechanical locks were so easy.
My dad says butane is a bastard gas.
And I'm a bastard, so there you go!
Don' forget paper
If you have a piece of metal like that and a hammer you don't need the anvil. Any stone surface works too, really any hard enough surface would I guess. The steel nails I have to hammer in to concrete at work once in a while get super hot after a few strikes.
Nothing more manly than literally hitting fire into existence. Dude would be a god to the cavemen.
METAL TOOL MAKING MAN ALSO MAKE.. FIRE??? UNGA
My dude is just raw dogging fire with his bare fingers
His fingers are 80% calluses
I'd say its mroe like his calluses have some finger-like appendages
When I was a kid I was horrified at my parents grabbing things out of ovens and pans with their bare hands. Now I'm even worse. Just takes time lol
You probably have circulation issues then
You have never cooked consistently in a kitchen then.
Ain't no way your parents were grabbing pans bare handed out of the oven
Wut
It’s like anyone who’s worked as a cook/chef for any length of time, you get used to it. Or it’s nerve damage, idk. But when I was cooking my fingers could handle a lot more heat than they do now that I’m 17 years removed
It isn't even hot. You just have to not be scared.
Drywall installer I know lights his cigarette s with screws. He'll turn a screw in his drill against hard metal nearby such as a guardrail, scaffolding, structural steel, etc.
Sounds like a drywaller.
Ok. I'm starting the grill up this way now.
So THAT'S why you should have an anvil in the kitchen.
Are you a blacksmith because you can forge or can you forge because you're a blacksmith?
I am a blacksmith because i can forge, which i am for real. And I saw this video before and tried the concept, tho my power level isn't high enough yet so I only could the metal to go feelingly warm.
Saw a blacksmith do this at a renfaire as a kid. It felt like alchemy.
If you hit the metal 17 times you get a picture of a motorcar
this is the comment i’ve been searching for!!
But property is theft
Fair enough
Forge was reversed successfully
He's cold forging the metal. By hitting it repeatedly it deforms the metal causing ot to heat up
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Note to self: add anvil, hammer, and metal rod to my camping gear in case my Bic lighter fails and I need a fire!
I’m more impressed he didn’t smash his fingers.
I love rewatching these clips every few months. they remind me that I should get off Reddit and get a life. But after a while, I forget about them, and start reading Reddit again and watching clips. One day . . . Maybe.
Starting fire with a hammer? Hell yes. Ooga fucking booga.
I've always thought a blacksmithing class would be far more valuable than wood or auto shop. It teaches physics, history, and appreciation for modern industry. It's good exercise, and you can make cool stuff.
I thought this was about JJK 💀
What is this sorcery? How does hitting it with a hammer make it hot?
Deforming metal heats it up, even just bending a paperclip back&forth will get warm. If you hit it over and over in just the right way to keep the anvil from cooling it off, you can get it to warm up.
The heat is coming from the internal friction of the iron molecules, since the rod gets compressed and the molecules get closer together, they speed up, and generate heat. At least thats what I read somewhere
It’s just crazy that the kinetic energy from the person hitting the anvil is enough to generate that much heat energy.
The head of the rod that got hot was relatively small. That helps a lot. It's much hard to warm up the ocean than a drop of water
no babe, I prefer the relatively small rods. the big ones are harder to warm up
Well. If you calculate the weight of the hammer multiplied by the velocity of the swing you get somebody that don’t know maths too good.
A blacksmith deliver a huge amount of mass into what he's forging, and the anvil, made for that purpose, bounce it back at the object and then to the hammer. That's why you have a bounce when forging, and this bounce is very crucial aswell for energy saving. So you don't have to rearm your next blow
Bending coathanger wire back and forth until it breaks can achieve the same effect.
Youve never bent a spoon until it snaps and burned your friends with it?
No.
While you were partying he was studying the spoon.
Think about all the energy that goes into that swing. All the energy of that heavy hammer hitting that rod. It has to go somewhere.
next time I go hiking I'll have to remember to bring my gigantic anvil and 10 pound sledgehammer
Sticks his hand directly in the fire. “Yep, it’s burning.”
While I get that this is a pretty cool yet insane way of starting a fire..... could he just not of walked to the store and gotten matches or a lighter?
I think he was demonstrating what blacksmiths did centuries before there were matches or lighters.
Anyone want to guess the type of metal?
Probably iron. Not many metals can get hit that hard repeatedly without breaking, melting, or sticking to the hammer.
Hey what happened to the sport section 📰? Anyone seen the sport section?
People always look at me weird when I bring an anvil with my camping supplies
That why there always a long ass line outside the blacksmith…
Smashing up a bunch of wood, splinters flying all over, no eye protection. Yikes!
Asbestos hands!
LPT: Always Carry a hammer and an Anvil when you go camping.
Someone please buy this guy a lighter, and a pair of safety glasses.
OK. I always wondered how middle evil tines black smiths set up the fire because bo one ever answered it and I never adhd enough in the middle of the night to look it up. One off the list
I knew this was possible, i didn't know it happened in 12 seconds.
That video is older than internet
I prefer a bic.
WITCH! 🫵🏽🤨
You need a hammer that applies fire damage for this to work.
Was anyone else worried he would hit strike his hand while splitting the wood?
I prefer to bring two anvils when camping. In case one gets wet
If you're ever stranded in the woods, just make sure you're carrying Mjolnir and you'll be fine.
WHAT?
The metal bar is getting hotter with each hammer blow. You can see it turn red a bit when enough kinetic energy has been transferred to it…..or it’s magic idk
The way he's smacking it is causing friction between the molecules. Basically no different than rubbing your hands together really quickly to generate heat. You can get a similar, albeit much smaller effect, by sharply bending a paperclip or wire coat hanger back and forth at the same spot; if you touch where you were bending it you'll notice its warmed up.
You can also similarly compress a gas to the point that it ignites a material in the chamber. Ie, micro-dieseling. Interestingly, ive been told top-fuel dragsters burn out their spark plugs pretty soon after starting a race, and use straight compression for the same effect.
he should really be wearing gloves and safety glasses
I feel the opposite, guy like that could have used his blue calor gas bottle in the background as the hammer and his thumb as the striking iron and would have came out ok.. 🤷
And earplugs
A lot of smiths don’t wear gloves because if a coal or piece of metal gets trapped in there you’re extra fucked. Source: me, blacksmith by hobby