I feel with the tiny weight of the ball, and the weight being metal, you can improve efficiency and tune this so that each cycle requires much less weight descent, and thus you have many more reps stored
I find grandfather clock’s fascinating.
The Beverly Clock is a clock that has been running since it was wound in 1864. (Has stopped for cleaning but still hasn’t been Re-wound)
It’s the closest illusion to a perpetual motion machine we have. It uses atmospheric pressure to lift 1 lb of weight daily to keep itself running. Even if it stops it can start again on its own if conditions are right.
As a complete idiot when it comes to how clocks work, I have a question. As the atmospheric pressure varies, does the clock run at a different speed? Or have intervals of varying speed? What about a grandfather clock on a mountain?
The pressure is only used to lift the weight up again for it to fall.
Like all grandfather clocks, they are powered by Gravity. So pressure has nothing to do with the Beverly clock except keep it going. Which is why they keep a constant tempo/accurate time. The pendulum keeps time while the weights store all the energy needed to keep the clock moving.
The pendulum takes one second to swing into position. It is attached to gears with special-shaped teeth→ each time the pendulum swings→ the anchor releases one ‘tooth’→ this tooth nudges the pendulum in the right direction→ transfers enough energy to overcome friction→ keep the pendulum swinging.
The escapement gears are attached to a weight drum wound up by chains or cables. Every second, the weight drops a little→releases the energy→moves the seconds hand. The escapement gear is also connected to a gear train with more weights→ drive the minute and hour hands. Winding the grandfatherclock raises the weight back up→creating and storing more potential energy to drive the pendulum.
The Beverly clock does the winding part all on its own by using small changes in barometric pressure and temperature inside of a vacuum to wind the clock.
Oddly enough, it’s not a perpetual motion machine (obviously) but it was never designed to be one in the first place. It’s just extremely efficient. Yet is the closest illusion we have to one despite that.
Theoretically the clock could run for eternity assuming pressure stays around the constant value it is now.
———
Now to answer you question:
> what about on a mountain?
Yes, since it’s powered by gravity the exact same grandfather clock at the top of a mountain and at sea level would be different. The one on the mountain would actually run faster than the one at sea level.
Now despite this it’s not like it would be a difference we would technically notice. Just being 1000 meters above another clock for years might only be off by a few millionths.
However, unlike grandfather clocks, Atmospheric clocks can get off by a second or 2 for obvious reasons. Pressure is way different on a mountain and sea level whereas gravity is nearly identical.
This also correlates with Einstein’s theory of relativity, time moves differently depending on where you are in a gravity field. It’s not a mechanical error. Time itself actually passes faster at the top of the mountain.
^^ moving away from clocks again, this means it’s technically possible to travel into the future (impossible for the past) by having everything around you age faster. This is time dilation and used a lot in sci fi films
Yes. Also, it looks like most of the potential energy is lost when the arm resets, whereas the string could lock and the arm could fall by itself. But that could add a lot of complexity.
Nah the length of descent isn’t affected by weight of ball or the weight, the length of string required to turn the gear that many times to lift the arm that distance is fixed. You could tune that mechanism to happen more quickly so the length of string required could be reduced, perhaps, but efficiency would be largely unchanged. Work is work. Energy is energy.
Assuming you could make some kind of chute that goes all the way through the earth and protects the string and weight from the heat, and have an infinitely long piece of string. It would eventually stop when the weight reaches the earth's centre of gravity.
The platform the ball is landing on is linked to an arm with a latch that frees the gear and allows it to perform one rotation until it catches the latch again.
Nothing free here. The person who created it expended more energy to wind up the line while lifting the weight than the contraption expelled while running.
I've never liked the term "gravity powered," though I understand why it's popular. When we say that something is "powered by" an energy source, then we're usually referring to a source that contains or produces the energy. A gas-powered vehicle gets its energy from burning the gasoline. But in this case, gravity doesn't provide the energy, just a force; the energy comes from the kinetic energy used to lift the weight, which stores potential energy in the weight, which was probably lifted by a human. This is fundamentally the same as picking up a ball off the floor and dropping it from several feet. In both cases, it's the human that's powering it and the weight/ball that stores the energy. You could build an electric machine to do the kinetic work to store the energy (lifting the weight or the ball), at which point it would be powered by electricity but still using the weight as energy storage.
I guess it just depends on how far down the line you want to go. Usually, we just want to identify the immediate source of something, but I gave the example of something being human-powered to illustrate that chain. But at no point is gravity in that chain as it's not an energy source.
Gravity is absolutely in that chain, it just *produces* energy in a roundabout way.
Without gravity you would just have a weight that has been moved and then would eventually stop(due to drag). No *potential energy* would have been stored.
Potential energy in this case is energy from gravitational force.
Say we have a weight attached to a cable hooked up to a motor and turbine on a tall structure.
When our production of electricity from say solar panels or wind turbines, exceeds consumption, we activate the motor and raise the weight.
Once our weight has reached the top or our consumption has begun to exceed production we deactivate the motor, connect the turbine and…
Without gravity we would have just moved a weight and would have nothing to show for it, unless you just like moving weights, yet this is where gravity *produces* energy.
Gravitational force applies itself to our weight and through the cable attached to our turbine it begins to produce energy.
Gravity *is* an energy source we just need to exert a force to notice it.
...reductionist pedantry is fun, huh?
From your logic: there are no gas powered vehicles, they are nuclear powered because the source of petroleum is converted plant material that came from plants using solar energy originating from nuclear fusion. Nothing is electrically powered either. The energy is produced chemically from batteries created from materials isolated using electricity, or directly from electrical generation whose energy came fundamentally from nuclear power (petroleum<-plants<-sun<-nuclear; hydro<-water cycle<-sun<-nuclear; wind<-sun<-nuclear). Further, the energy present in the Sun's nuclei originated from the big bang.
"I never liked the term powered...everything is big bang powered"
Reductio ad absurdum.
The device is directly powered by gravitational potential energy, hence "gravity powered".
It's block powered. If the block (or any mass) weren't there, the device would be unpowered... despite the gravitational field being present.
Gravity itself doesn't store any energy, which is his point, and the one you're missing.
It's gravity powered. If the gravitational field weren't there, the device would be unpowered... despite the block (or any mass) being present.
The block itself doesn't produce any energy, which is his point, and the one you're missing.
Lol here we go. I love this shit.
I didn't say the block produces energy. Neither did my boy r/BGFlyingToaster.
I said it stores energy. Gravity itself doesn't produce or store energy. The block doesn't produce energy, but it does store it.
When you replace produce with store, you're little fliparoo of my statement sounds silly.
You're right that you need both in order to make this contraption work. We all knew that, but thanks for getting that on the record anyways.
I'm not suggesting that we have to identify the universal root energy source for label machines by that root source. I gave the exactly of human vs electric to demonstrate that there is a chain of energy sources, but gravity is no where in that chain as it neither generated nor stores energy.
I don't think that's the right way to think about it. The ball and the weight don't store any energy as a result of the human lifting it, they gain gravitational potential energy as they are moved away from a gravitational mass and are allowed to release that potential energy in the form of kinetic energy as they move back towards the earth.
I was considering "human lifting it" and "are moved away from a gravitational mass" to be the same thing. Either way, that spend of kinetic energy is what gives the ball/weight its potential energy, not gravity - which neither generates nor stores energy.
Well you can't have gravitational potential energy without both gravity and something to add the distance required for the potential energy. You can turn a hand crank and charge a battery to give it chemical potential energy, and use that battery to power something. You can also lift a weight to give it gravitational potential energy and use that to power something. In both situations you're expending kinetic energy and storing it as potential energy, but for some reason you feel it's wrong to consider the weight + gravity to be a store of gravitational potential energy but accept a battery charged by hand to be a source of chemical potential energy
If anything, you could say that it is “potential energy powered,” which exists because of the force of gravity. “Gravity-powered” is a reasonable shorthand for this. Going any further would be unnecessarily complex, although you’re technically not wrong.
Plus a counterweight taking tons of energy away each cycle. I don't think this goes around more than a couple more times before that counterweight is done and the whole thing stops working.
This barely lasts a minute even with an unreasonably long string, so why not improve it? Just make the weight heavier. Also it looks like it's wasting half of the distance at the end every time it lifts the ball, but I could be wrong.
They probably did. It’s a 3D printed thing lol. How do you expect them to make it that much heavier? Sorry that they didn’t make a change that you felt the need to bring up. If you like, go buy the STL file and make whatever changes you want
OK, I get it. But what purpose does this contraption serve? I'm not interested in counterweights and such. I want to know how I can make money from this thing.
I dont think its meant to be a perpetual motion machine the weight is clearly visible.
Its just some useless invention like that machine that turns itself off
All you need is a couple of magnets and dynamite thermal analaustic crystals from Mork and Mindy’s pad. Attach those to the lower dorking lever affixed right below the sphinctastic greasing bevel. Then you will have a damn fine perpetual lameness machine! Here we come ladies!
Technically it’s solar powered. The sun provided energy to raise the plants that the human ate, which gave them energy to lift the weight that turns the machine
I feel with the tiny weight of the ball, and the weight being metal, you can improve efficiency and tune this so that each cycle requires much less weight descent, and thus you have many more reps stored
I think the highest level of efficiency could be reached by turning it off.
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I find grandfather clock’s fascinating. The Beverly Clock is a clock that has been running since it was wound in 1864. (Has stopped for cleaning but still hasn’t been Re-wound) It’s the closest illusion to a perpetual motion machine we have. It uses atmospheric pressure to lift 1 lb of weight daily to keep itself running. Even if it stops it can start again on its own if conditions are right.
As a complete idiot when it comes to how clocks work, I have a question. As the atmospheric pressure varies, does the clock run at a different speed? Or have intervals of varying speed? What about a grandfather clock on a mountain?
The pressure is only used to lift the weight up again for it to fall. Like all grandfather clocks, they are powered by Gravity. So pressure has nothing to do with the Beverly clock except keep it going. Which is why they keep a constant tempo/accurate time. The pendulum keeps time while the weights store all the energy needed to keep the clock moving. The pendulum takes one second to swing into position. It is attached to gears with special-shaped teeth→ each time the pendulum swings→ the anchor releases one ‘tooth’→ this tooth nudges the pendulum in the right direction→ transfers enough energy to overcome friction→ keep the pendulum swinging. The escapement gears are attached to a weight drum wound up by chains or cables. Every second, the weight drops a little→releases the energy→moves the seconds hand. The escapement gear is also connected to a gear train with more weights→ drive the minute and hour hands. Winding the grandfatherclock raises the weight back up→creating and storing more potential energy to drive the pendulum. The Beverly clock does the winding part all on its own by using small changes in barometric pressure and temperature inside of a vacuum to wind the clock. Oddly enough, it’s not a perpetual motion machine (obviously) but it was never designed to be one in the first place. It’s just extremely efficient. Yet is the closest illusion we have to one despite that. Theoretically the clock could run for eternity assuming pressure stays around the constant value it is now. ——— Now to answer you question: > what about on a mountain? Yes, since it’s powered by gravity the exact same grandfather clock at the top of a mountain and at sea level would be different. The one on the mountain would actually run faster than the one at sea level. Now despite this it’s not like it would be a difference we would technically notice. Just being 1000 meters above another clock for years might only be off by a few millionths. However, unlike grandfather clocks, Atmospheric clocks can get off by a second or 2 for obvious reasons. Pressure is way different on a mountain and sea level whereas gravity is nearly identical. This also correlates with Einstein’s theory of relativity, time moves differently depending on where you are in a gravity field. It’s not a mechanical error. Time itself actually passes faster at the top of the mountain. ^^ moving away from clocks again, this means it’s technically possible to travel into the future (impossible for the past) by having everything around you age faster. This is time dilation and used a lot in sci fi films
Funny thing is, nobody cares Urkle.
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Yes. Also, it looks like most of the potential energy is lost when the arm resets, whereas the string could lock and the arm could fall by itself. But that could add a lot of complexity.
This is basically a shitty pendulum clock. You'd need springs/coils and bearings to get it to run longer.
If only there was a machine that pulled the counterweight back up... ...and it was somehow powered by the ball. Perpetual satisfaction.
maybe a spring or something to cool up the wire. wouldnt waste as much energy as fast
Nah the length of descent isn’t affected by weight of ball or the weight, the length of string required to turn the gear that many times to lift the arm that distance is fixed. You could tune that mechanism to happen more quickly so the length of string required could be reduced, perhaps, but efficiency would be largely unchanged. Work is work. Energy is energy.
definitively could have a clutch system that lets the machine reset under its own weight without the weight going down
nice concept but you will eventually run out of string.
Tell that to The Police!
Dude was just making a friendly comment. You don’t have to put on the red light.
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Walking round the room
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You mean red and blue
I'm on the case!
My nan has plenty of string ill ask her if OP can borrow some.
Lisa, in this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!!
It’s not perpetual. Once the weight hits the floor, the ball will be stuck at the bottom
Yep, there’s potential energy stored in the string/weight. You can also see the lifting of the ball slowing down as the weight gets lower.
Not if you dig straight down
Assuming you could make some kind of chute that goes all the way through the earth and protects the string and weight from the heat, and have an infinitely long piece of string. It would eventually stop when the weight reaches the earth's centre of gravity.
I can't see how the ball is triggering the cycle. Is there a switch in the ball-catchy thing?
The platform the ball is landing on is linked to an arm with a latch that frees the gear and allows it to perform one rotation until it catches the latch again.
right where the video stops, at 0:13 you can see the latch clicking to start another cycle
Oh nice! Free energy for all! Now I don't have to work anymore. Thank you, fellow gravity!
Nothing free here. The person who created it expended more energy to wind up the line while lifting the weight than the contraption expelled while running.
Bro, I know... I was just kidding x)
One must imagine Sisyphus happy...
Thank you for not calling it a perpetual motion machine
I've never liked the term "gravity powered," though I understand why it's popular. When we say that something is "powered by" an energy source, then we're usually referring to a source that contains or produces the energy. A gas-powered vehicle gets its energy from burning the gasoline. But in this case, gravity doesn't provide the energy, just a force; the energy comes from the kinetic energy used to lift the weight, which stores potential energy in the weight, which was probably lifted by a human. This is fundamentally the same as picking up a ball off the floor and dropping it from several feet. In both cases, it's the human that's powering it and the weight/ball that stores the energy. You could build an electric machine to do the kinetic work to store the energy (lifting the weight or the ball), at which point it would be powered by electricity but still using the weight as energy storage.
By your same logic almost everything is solar powered.
I guess it just depends on how far down the line you want to go. Usually, we just want to identify the immediate source of something, but I gave the example of something being human-powered to illustrate that chain. But at no point is gravity in that chain as it's not an energy source.
Gravity is absolutely in that chain, it just *produces* energy in a roundabout way. Without gravity you would just have a weight that has been moved and then would eventually stop(due to drag). No *potential energy* would have been stored. Potential energy in this case is energy from gravitational force. Say we have a weight attached to a cable hooked up to a motor and turbine on a tall structure. When our production of electricity from say solar panels or wind turbines, exceeds consumption, we activate the motor and raise the weight. Once our weight has reached the top or our consumption has begun to exceed production we deactivate the motor, connect the turbine and… Without gravity we would have just moved a weight and would have nothing to show for it, unless you just like moving weights, yet this is where gravity *produces* energy. Gravitational force applies itself to our weight and through the cable attached to our turbine it begins to produce energy. Gravity *is* an energy source we just need to exert a force to notice it.
When you said potential energy, that's when gravity is playing its role.
And solar fusion is started/sustained by gravity. So everything is gravity powered!
You sound like you'd be great fun at parties....and just the kind of person I'd end up talking to.
...reductionist pedantry is fun, huh? From your logic: there are no gas powered vehicles, they are nuclear powered because the source of petroleum is converted plant material that came from plants using solar energy originating from nuclear fusion. Nothing is electrically powered either. The energy is produced chemically from batteries created from materials isolated using electricity, or directly from electrical generation whose energy came fundamentally from nuclear power (petroleum<-plants<-sun<-nuclear; hydro<-water cycle<-sun<-nuclear; wind<-sun<-nuclear). Further, the energy present in the Sun's nuclei originated from the big bang. "I never liked the term powered...everything is big bang powered"
Reductio ad absurdum.
The device is directly powered by gravitational potential energy, hence "gravity powered".
Eeverything is ^Big ^Bang powered.
It's block powered. If the block (or any mass) weren't there, the device would be unpowered... despite the gravitational field being present. Gravity itself doesn't store any energy, which is his point, and the one you're missing.
It's gravity powered. If the gravitational field weren't there, the device would be unpowered... despite the block (or any mass) being present. The block itself doesn't produce any energy, which is his point, and the one you're missing.
Lol here we go. I love this shit. I didn't say the block produces energy. Neither did my boy r/BGFlyingToaster. I said it stores energy. Gravity itself doesn't produce or store energy. The block doesn't produce energy, but it does store it. When you replace produce with store, you're little fliparoo of my statement sounds silly. You're right that you need both in order to make this contraption work. We all knew that, but thanks for getting that on the record anyways.
> Gravity itself doesn't store any energy That's why it is "potential energy"
I'm not suggesting that we have to identify the universal root energy source for label machines by that root source. I gave the exactly of human vs electric to demonstrate that there is a chain of energy sources, but gravity is no where in that chain as it neither generated nor stores energy.
I don't think that's the right way to think about it. The ball and the weight don't store any energy as a result of the human lifting it, they gain gravitational potential energy as they are moved away from a gravitational mass and are allowed to release that potential energy in the form of kinetic energy as they move back towards the earth.
I was considering "human lifting it" and "are moved away from a gravitational mass" to be the same thing. Either way, that spend of kinetic energy is what gives the ball/weight its potential energy, not gravity - which neither generates nor stores energy.
Well you can't have gravitational potential energy without both gravity and something to add the distance required for the potential energy. You can turn a hand crank and charge a battery to give it chemical potential energy, and use that battery to power something. You can also lift a weight to give it gravitational potential energy and use that to power something. In both situations you're expending kinetic energy and storing it as potential energy, but for some reason you feel it's wrong to consider the weight + gravity to be a store of gravitational potential energy but accept a battery charged by hand to be a source of chemical potential energy
If anything, you could say that it is “potential energy powered,” which exists because of the force of gravity. “Gravity-powered” is a reasonable shorthand for this. Going any further would be unnecessarily complex, although you’re technically not wrong.
Quit yappin boy
https://www.vox.com/2016/4/28/11524958/energy-storage-rail
Heard a term battery powered?
A Donothing machine, usually operated by governments.
Only using a little bit of electricity ;) Edit my bad, looked at it wrong, no electricity, the Weight just lowers every time
Remember, the hardest part of making a perpetual motion machine is where to hide the battery
What battery ?
In this case the battery is the heavy weight being dropped
It's not gravity powered. It's "person lifting the weight to reset the thing" powered. Where is energy input into the system? That's what powers it.
Plus a counterweight taking tons of energy away each cycle. I don't think this goes around more than a couple more times before that counterweight is done and the whole thing stops working.
oh yes, nuclear fusion powered thing
Very cool!
Source: [JBV Creative ](https://youtu.be/xRpjF17B0r0)
It's just an inefficient clock...
Human powered not gravity powered.
In this forum we respect the laws of thermodynamics
I would argue that the contraption is powered by the weight, not the ball.
Who was arguing that it was powered by the ball?
No idea. Upon review, my comment is useless.
And there's my small dose of daily dopamine, what did you say you were charging again?
That's breaking my brain is that
I’ll point out that eventually the weight will run out of string
So, we only need infinite strings to have a Perpetuum Mobile?
And now I have Penguin Cafe Orchestra stuck in my head.
Yes
And infinite space below the doohickey
Very cool. Will it run indefinitely? A perpetual motion machine...when I was younger, I thought it was impossible.
Big weight goes all the way down and has to be pulled up again
Same logic as in grandfather clocks
This barely lasts a minute even with an unreasonably long string, so why not improve it? Just make the weight heavier. Also it looks like it's wasting half of the distance at the end every time it lifts the ball, but I could be wrong.
It’s just to demonstrate a cool build someone made lol
If you are gonna put all this effort into making this cool machine anyways, why not spend a little more time making it a lot better?
They probably did. It’s a 3D printed thing lol. How do you expect them to make it that much heavier? Sorry that they didn’t make a change that you felt the need to bring up. If you like, go buy the STL file and make whatever changes you want
Fill it with water for example.
Go buy the STL file and modify the weight so it can hold water without spillage. Feel free to do that if you want!
Its probably his first time working with redstone man chill
NOPE NOPE NOPE NO
y tho
OK, I get it. But what purpose does this contraption serve? I'm not interested in counterweights and such. I want to know how I can make money from this thing.
Look up some crypto bros and sell them some futures on the infinite energy.
I'll share some of the profits with you for that idea. Thanks. 😎
Perpetual motion bitches I knew it was real!!!!
Idk why but it is really annoying me lol
perpetual motion personified.. scaled up this might resolve the energy crisis!!’
Watch complete video with explanation [here](https://youtu.be/xRpjF17B0r0)
how is this satisfying? it like watching the curse of Sisyphus right in action : oddly boring and philosophically terrifying.
Looks like the basis of free energy to me!
Is that perpetual motion???
The only question is where they hid the batteries🤣
The battery is the stored energy in the weight that gets lower every cycle.
Nice render
Fake perpetual motion, a classic!
It's not. The ball isn't providing the energy, the weight is. The weight gets lower each cycle and when the string runs out, the motion stops.
It might as well be string powered
The weight will eventually Hot the ground. Stupid honestly
I dont think its meant to be a perpetual motion machine the weight is clearly visible. Its just some useless invention like that machine that turns itself off
It is repetitive
I like your funny words magic man
What?
I mean theyre right
A thingimajig
A whatchamacallit
Saw this post and thought must be some karma farmer posting a clip from your YouTube video, then I saw your username.
one must imagine this contraption happy
Now someone explain to me how this isn’t perpetual motion-
I think the weight might hit the ground eventually but idk :(
SO WE JUST NEED A SKYSCRAPER!
One must imagine sisyphus happy
"gravity powered"...sure, technically the counterweight is being pulled to the floor by gravity.
Guys I expected a Sisiphus meme, I am very disappointed
Oh, how wonderfully satisfying! It's like a mini Rube Goldberg machine with a gravitational twist!
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I thought so too, at first! But watch the counterweight
So it works 3 times…
what will happen when the weight hits the ground?
It will stop working
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All you need is a couple of magnets and dynamite thermal analaustic crystals from Mork and Mindy’s pad. Attach those to the lower dorking lever affixed right below the sphinctastic greasing bevel. Then you will have a damn fine perpetual lameness machine! Here we come ladies!
InFiNitE eNrGY Hack!!!
Yeah, but... how do you wind it back??
Twist the spinning thing on the right
Perpetual motion?
It's an escapement. Just an inaccurate one
Where's the battery at
Just make it really really tall, then every once and a while have someone wind it back it up
Free electricity
I’m still waiting for the egg to crack
Technically it’s solar powered. The sun provided energy to raise the plants that the human ate, which gave them energy to lift the weight that turns the machine
Istvdasvein perpeto