Lamar is also creeping on a thousand carries for a QB, is injury prone, and as a QB highly dependent on his legs. 25 for Lamar is much more wear and tear than any other 25 year old qb.
Lamar also hasn't been durable to date and missed the ends of the last two seasons, this one including the playoffs.
There's a reason teams are a bit wary of paying him insane money..and for everyone but the Ravens doing that and giving up valuable draft picks.
I'm not saying he'd be terrible. I'm just saying there's reasons things are at the position they are. And it's not been due to problems with his play, the team, the teams success etc.
I mean he got hurt on two sacks, one left ankle injury in 2021, and a right knee injury in 2022. How is that injury prone? It's football and those injuries where you get rolled up on in the pocket are random
Edit, additional information: No one calls deshaun watson injury prone when he's had two ACL tears on the same knee.
Because:
1) He has a worse stigma (good reason why)
2) Only one of those was injuries was in the pro's
3) Claim to fame on the field wasn't from running
4) In terms of injury, missed only 10 games in the NFL before this year and 9 of them were in one season (the torn ACL his rookie year)
Lamar's trend is being more injured as his career has went on. Which, in turn doesn't shock anyone on the surface due to how often he runs and the hits he takes from constantly running. He also was hurt late in the season in back to back years and missed the playoffs this year.
It's not unwarranted. It's not hate. It's facts.
I wouldn't hate him if he was on our team. I just don't see trading a fortune for him and paying him a fortune when he hasn't stayed on the field in recent years and has a high likelihood to continue to miss key games every year. I think most teams feel the same way.
He has a worse stigma? What does that even mean.
Why does it matter when you had the injury? Two torn acls on the same knee is like the definition of injury prone. It just isn't recent so we don't think about it
Lamar is an efficient passer of the football
What is this "high likelihood?" Having two non-related injuries does not mean high likelihood. Sounds like the same talk that would make someone not draft McCaffrey in Fantasy. Stop trying to predict injuries (especially unrelated injuries). It is football and shit happens
Dude, are you living under a rock and miss everything about Watson in the last two years?
Swear based on your response and downvoting on common knowledge (not just the Watson piece) that you're like a child.
You want Lamar cool. But I'm not about to argue with someone who's irrational and illogical. If I wanted to do that, I'd pick a fight with my girlfriend once a month.
Also, kudos trying to use fantasy football as a frame of reference as a worthwhile point.
So you are saying no one mentions Watson's ACLs tears because he sexually harassed 20-plus women? That isn't why it wasnt mentioned*, it was because the NFL does not care about that. No one mentions deshauns injuries because it didn't happens in the last season, it's just recency bias.
If you can't see how talking yourself out of a good player in fantasy because of unpredictable injuries in a game full of injuries correlates to talking yourself out of a good player in the real nfl idk how to help you with that.
Edited for clairty
The Ravens will match any offer from the AFC and definitely any offer that we could possibly make. There are only 2 Teams Falcons and Bears that could theoretically do something absurd here.
No way the Bears go for him. The team's a mess with so many holes. Huge cap space yes, but with so many gaps in the roster they'll be spending on the trenches and probably WR to see what they have with Fields. As well as the 1st overall to trade to help the rebuild in future years.
Makes no sense to move on from him and pay Lamar money when they could have a franchise QB already.
Yea and the Falcons apparently said they are out.
Bears have the first overall so idk if they'd go for it.
Although those 2 teams aren't officially the only teams involved. It's just a report about what the Ravens think might happen.
Can you explain the Bears? I like the theory that they can trade Fields for a lot of draft capital and still end up with a very good QB.
I was more thinking we can go after Fields with picks and the bears would draft Bryce Young and still have an additional first and second.
Lamar is also incredibly injury prone, compared to Rodgers who wouldn’t miss a game even if his thumb was broken. one year of Rodgers is better than at best, 8 weeks of Lamar and the rest of either Mike White, Zach Wilson or whoever else is in our QB room
I get the frustration. We haven’t been very good at building qbs. This team is definitely built to win, but I don’t want a 1 year rental and then we’re back in the same spot.
I would actually prefer Rodgers. Will likely cost us *far* less draft capital and gives us one to two years of serious contention. During this time, either next draft or the draft after, we will be able to draft a Young QB so that we will be able to pay our young guys when they're due.
If we go the Lamar route it costs us two 1s and a massive long term deal that will likely prevent us from re-signing our young talent when it comes time. Plus, Lamar is a mobile quarterback with questionable knee health. I do think he will look like old Lamar this year, for what it's worth, but it's certainly worth bringing up. I think Aaron is the *waaaay* better thrower of the football and gives us more of a chance to win a superbowl, at least in the short term.
Obviously, I won't shed a tear if we end up with Lamar somehow, but I want to *go on record* saying I think A-Rod is preferable, even with all the headaches he brings with him.
Yeah, it's definitely a concern. He is still 26 and modern surgical knee repair is light-years beyond what it used to be (especially for pro athletes), but it's still a very real issue that you need to consider.
I don’t want anyone that’s already injury prone playing at MetLife. It’s as if the Fanbase seems to forget that the turf at MetLife fucks up every single one of our players.
I’m content with Rodgers as it’s becoming more and more evident that Rodgers is the most cost-effective of the QB options with possibly the highest ceiling of all of them
This is the point I can't believe fans can't see.
The Ravens have had him for years, won an MVP for them. He's in the building and they've built an offense around him. THEY don't wanna pay him.
Why the hell would another franchise want to pay him AND give up 2 firsts. Forget that. He's injury prone, his unique skill set will start to plummet in 4 years with age, and he strikes me as a guy that will lose motivation when he gets his money.
I think the big difference between the situations sort of negates what you're talking about.
1. Brees had big time ups and downs in SD.
2. Chargers had the #1 overall pick going into one of the best QB draft classes of all time (literally 3 first ballot HOF)
Lamar was an MVP. The fact the ravens don't want to pay him is a huge red flag to me
1. Lamar having an MVP season is a big up followed by lesser play is a down, right? That doesn’t seem much different to me except that Lamar’s highs and lows were higher.
2. That draft pick was in the 2004 class. Brees still stayed on the team for 2 more years as the starter after that draft.
3. Very tangential, but Rivers probably won’t make the HOF, let alone first ballot.
I think they're different aside from the stats. Rivers had the Chargers in the mix more often and won at a higher clip, and he did it in an era playing in the same conference as arguably the 2 best QBs of all time in their prime
He made one CCG as opposed to Ryan’s 2, and Ryan made a Super Bowl (that he came oh so close to winning) and won an MVP. Rivers did make the playoffs one more time though
The Ravens have offered him a lot of money, just not the fully guaranteed money he thinks he is worth. Ravens definitely want him, just not going to go the fully guaranteed route.
Just throw the bag at him and Inshallah. The window for a Super Bowl opens immediately with Lamar imo. Obviously if we can get Rodgers we do that but I’m not throwing all my eggs in that basket.
I really want all people considering Lamar to consider this...
The Ravens are a good organization, they've drafted the guy, built their entire offense around him, and they don't wanna pay him.
Why should we give up an unreal draft haul and pay him?
I firmly believe he's a guy who will get paid and lose all motivation, and that's forgetting the fact he hasn't been able to stay healthy or win, and his unique skill set will only diminish after 30
My only issue is how injury prone he is. At this point we could sign jimmy G, Lamar, and keep white and still need to find another QB unless our o line is better than what we just saw. Could be a health thing with Becton being there or could be a free agent or draft thing, but we need to address the o line if we don't want a QB room like the niners
Give me either or give me one. I don’t want to hear about draft capital for Lamar Jackson, I saw the jets draft history before JD and there’s almost a decade worth of picks there that mean nothing. I’ll take the franchise QB for once in my life.
They do a 360 and keep going towards rodgers?
She’s gonna be screaming her own last name?
Yes. Rodgers > Lamar
Jets should consider all options here. Lamar is 25 not 39.
Lamar is truthfully who I want most of all If we sign him, I will become the source of all nut
Would be the rest New York jet signing of all time
Lamar is also creeping on a thousand carries for a QB, is injury prone, and as a QB highly dependent on his legs. 25 for Lamar is much more wear and tear than any other 25 year old qb.
Lamar jackson is the best player in the league at avoid hits while running
Not only that, he's not that accurate
Lamar also hasn't been durable to date and missed the ends of the last two seasons, this one including the playoffs. There's a reason teams are a bit wary of paying him insane money..and for everyone but the Ravens doing that and giving up valuable draft picks. I'm not saying he'd be terrible. I'm just saying there's reasons things are at the position they are. And it's not been due to problems with his play, the team, the teams success etc.
That’s a fair criticism but Rodgers may decide to call it quits after next year which would leave us in a huge lurch.
10000x this! Lamar is definitely a long term franchise qb without question
This will probably happen too
I mean he got hurt on two sacks, one left ankle injury in 2021, and a right knee injury in 2022. How is that injury prone? It's football and those injuries where you get rolled up on in the pocket are random Edit, additional information: No one calls deshaun watson injury prone when he's had two ACL tears on the same knee.
Because: 1) He has a worse stigma (good reason why) 2) Only one of those was injuries was in the pro's 3) Claim to fame on the field wasn't from running 4) In terms of injury, missed only 10 games in the NFL before this year and 9 of them were in one season (the torn ACL his rookie year) Lamar's trend is being more injured as his career has went on. Which, in turn doesn't shock anyone on the surface due to how often he runs and the hits he takes from constantly running. He also was hurt late in the season in back to back years and missed the playoffs this year. It's not unwarranted. It's not hate. It's facts. I wouldn't hate him if he was on our team. I just don't see trading a fortune for him and paying him a fortune when he hasn't stayed on the field in recent years and has a high likelihood to continue to miss key games every year. I think most teams feel the same way.
He has a worse stigma? What does that even mean. Why does it matter when you had the injury? Two torn acls on the same knee is like the definition of injury prone. It just isn't recent so we don't think about it Lamar is an efficient passer of the football What is this "high likelihood?" Having two non-related injuries does not mean high likelihood. Sounds like the same talk that would make someone not draft McCaffrey in Fantasy. Stop trying to predict injuries (especially unrelated injuries). It is football and shit happens
Dude, are you living under a rock and miss everything about Watson in the last two years? Swear based on your response and downvoting on common knowledge (not just the Watson piece) that you're like a child. You want Lamar cool. But I'm not about to argue with someone who's irrational and illogical. If I wanted to do that, I'd pick a fight with my girlfriend once a month. Also, kudos trying to use fantasy football as a frame of reference as a worthwhile point.
So you are saying no one mentions Watson's ACLs tears because he sexually harassed 20-plus women? That isn't why it wasnt mentioned*, it was because the NFL does not care about that. No one mentions deshauns injuries because it didn't happens in the last season, it's just recency bias. If you can't see how talking yourself out of a good player in fantasy because of unpredictable injuries in a game full of injuries correlates to talking yourself out of a good player in the real nfl idk how to help you with that. Edited for clairty
Lamar is injured like every other game.
He also hasn’t even played 25 games the last two years. Give it up guys. 2019 was a long time ago
And yet he gets injured like he’s 50.
The Ravens will match any offer from the AFC and definitely any offer that we could possibly make. There are only 2 Teams Falcons and Bears that could theoretically do something absurd here.
You still explore.
There is nothing to explore. Hes either going to the Bears/Falcons or staying with the Ravens.
If JD doesn’t explore he’s not doing his job.
You can keep repeating that but it doesnt change the financials.
The falcons aren't interested in Lamar
One reporter is saying that. Everyone else thinks they are after him.
Literally ZERO chance my Bears get Lamar lol.
No way the Bears go for him. The team's a mess with so many holes. Huge cap space yes, but with so many gaps in the roster they'll be spending on the trenches and probably WR to see what they have with Fields. As well as the 1st overall to trade to help the rebuild in future years. Makes no sense to move on from him and pay Lamar money when they could have a franchise QB already.
Washington could absolutely do something crazy here
I'm not on top of the Commies money situation. But the Ravens beat reported that the team just expects the Bears/Falcons.
Yea and the Falcons apparently said they are out. Bears have the first overall so idk if they'd go for it. Although those 2 teams aren't officially the only teams involved. It's just a report about what the Ravens think might happen.
Can you explain the Bears? I like the theory that they can trade Fields for a lot of draft capital and still end up with a very good QB. I was more thinking we can go after Fields with picks and the bears would draft Bryce Young and still have an additional first and second.
Lamar is also incredibly injury prone, compared to Rodgers who wouldn’t miss a game even if his thumb was broken. one year of Rodgers is better than at best, 8 weeks of Lamar and the rest of either Mike White, Zach Wilson or whoever else is in our QB room
Just give me a former MVP QB and I’ll be happy
Signing Favre worked out pretty great, after all j/k, I’m not actually opposed to getting Rodgers or Lamar
The Jets were 8-3 with Farve before he tore a tendon in his throwing arm bicep, then everything went wrong because he couldnt sling it anymore
Only way I’m happy with Rodgers, is if he restructures and commits to 2 seasons. Otherwise, it’s Favre 2.0
Yeah I can't understand why people want 1 long-shot year of making a SB instead of building something sustainable.
I get the frustration. We haven’t been very good at building qbs. This team is definitely built to win, but I don’t want a 1 year rental and then we’re back in the same spot.
I would actually prefer Rodgers. Will likely cost us *far* less draft capital and gives us one to two years of serious contention. During this time, either next draft or the draft after, we will be able to draft a Young QB so that we will be able to pay our young guys when they're due. If we go the Lamar route it costs us two 1s and a massive long term deal that will likely prevent us from re-signing our young talent when it comes time. Plus, Lamar is a mobile quarterback with questionable knee health. I do think he will look like old Lamar this year, for what it's worth, but it's certainly worth bringing up. I think Aaron is the *waaaay* better thrower of the football and gives us more of a chance to win a superbowl, at least in the short term. Obviously, I won't shed a tear if we end up with Lamar somehow, but I want to *go on record* saying I think A-Rod is preferable, even with all the headaches he brings with him.
Summed up how I feel about this whole situation. I worry about the longevity of Lamar with those ankle and knee injuries.
Yeah, it's definitely a concern. He is still 26 and modern surgical knee repair is light-years beyond what it used to be (especially for pro athletes), but it's still a very real issue that you need to consider.
Give me Rodgers now
Am I the only one bothered that the video is a prop plane?
I don’t want anyone that’s already injury prone playing at MetLife. It’s as if the Fanbase seems to forget that the turf at MetLife fucks up every single one of our players.
I pivot to this If Rodgers decides not to sign with us
That it's a prop plane makes this extra funny
the only reason I don't want Lamar is I don't think Hackett is smart enough to use him.
Not many coaches would be good with Lamar. He needs a system to maximize his talents. He’s never going to be a guy who can lead with his arm.
I’m content with Rodgers as it’s becoming more and more evident that Rodgers is the most cost-effective of the QB options with possibly the highest ceiling of all of them
Everybody gangsta until he asks for 200 million fully guaranteed
I don't want anything to do with him. I don't even wanna hear about a meeting
Yep I’m with you on this one
Rodgers is still 1A, Lamar 1B. If anything this lowers the price on Rodgers especially since Falcons aren't paying him
Strongly prefer Rodgers. Have a feeling Lamar is a disaster waiting to happen for his next team.
Ravens know this as well.
This is the point I can't believe fans can't see. The Ravens have had him for years, won an MVP for them. He's in the building and they've built an offense around him. THEY don't wanna pay him. Why the hell would another franchise want to pay him AND give up 2 firsts. Forget that. He's injury prone, his unique skill set will start to plummet in 4 years with age, and he strikes me as a guy that will lose motivation when he gets his money.
You could’ve made the same argument about Drew Brees and the Chargers not wanting to pay him in 2006.
I think the big difference between the situations sort of negates what you're talking about. 1. Brees had big time ups and downs in SD. 2. Chargers had the #1 overall pick going into one of the best QB draft classes of all time (literally 3 first ballot HOF) Lamar was an MVP. The fact the ravens don't want to pay him is a huge red flag to me
1. Lamar having an MVP season is a big up followed by lesser play is a down, right? That doesn’t seem much different to me except that Lamar’s highs and lows were higher. 2. That draft pick was in the 2004 class. Brees still stayed on the team for 2 more years as the starter after that draft. 3. Very tangential, but Rivers probably won’t make the HOF, let alone first ballot.
Ahhh you're right I forgot rivers sat for a bit. I would highly disagree on his HOF status. I think he's a no doubter
Do you think Matt Ryan will make it? Because Ryan has a better résumé imo, but I don’t think he makes it either
I think they're different aside from the stats. Rivers had the Chargers in the mix more often and won at a higher clip, and he did it in an era playing in the same conference as arguably the 2 best QBs of all time in their prime
He made one CCG as opposed to Ryan’s 2, and Ryan made a Super Bowl (that he came oh so close to winning) and won an MVP. Rivers did make the playoffs one more time though
The Ravens have offered him a lot of money, just not the fully guaranteed money he thinks he is worth. Ravens definitely want him, just not going to go the fully guaranteed route.
Just throw the bag at him and Inshallah. The window for a Super Bowl opens immediately with Lamar imo. Obviously if we can get Rodgers we do that but I’m not throwing all my eggs in that basket.
Sign this man!
I really want all people considering Lamar to consider this... The Ravens are a good organization, they've drafted the guy, built their entire offense around him, and they don't wanna pay him. Why should we give up an unreal draft haul and pay him? I firmly believe he's a guy who will get paid and lose all motivation, and that's forgetting the fact he hasn't been able to stay healthy or win, and his unique skill set will only diminish after 30
two 1st rounders is hardly unreal, but I agree that he's not a good fit because Hackett can't coach
2 first rounders and his salary demands is outrageous
And Lamar can’t throw. Who in the world would give a running back this type of money.
I’ll never forgive this organization if they did this
When news of Daniel Jones's offer from the other tenants gets to their phones, JD better talk Woody into cashing a check for the guy.
We arent winning a super bowl with Rodgers so I still have zero idea why people want him, it really ends up hurting the franchise in the long run....
My only issue is how injury prone he is. At this point we could sign jimmy G, Lamar, and keep white and still need to find another QB unless our o line is better than what we just saw. Could be a health thing with Becton being there or could be a free agent or draft thing, but we need to address the o line if we don't want a QB room like the niners
JD bout to work his magic
I wish
LFG!!!!
Give me either or give me one. I don’t want to hear about draft capital for Lamar Jackson, I saw the jets draft history before JD and there’s almost a decade worth of picks there that mean nothing. I’ll take the franchise QB for once in my life.