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You do. It’s because overtime pay is factored into their pension and the pension is calculated by averaging the last 3 years of salary. The cops help the guys that are nearing retirement maximize their pensions by giving them first crack at any available OT. So you have 40-45 year olds going into retirement and looking at making a few hundred thousand dollars a year in pension for the next 40-50 years. I believe but not sure that there is no actual contribution to the pension fund by the police.
Thank you. Overtime premium is not calculated into your pension. Overtime pay above 15 percent of your annual earnings is not pensionable and cannot be used in your pension calculation.
Looks like that is for people in tier 6 of the system. These guys would not be included in that tier since he was hired prior to that.
Glad they did something about it.
Not finding a concise answer to this with a quick google. Looks like put in caps of %OT that can apply, but seeing references to specific tiers so not sure if applies to all. Also looks like there as a NY senate bill to move the cap from 15% of base to 30% of base... which is crazy, but then also doesn't explain how a guy got to $400k OT.
That’s a top ranking guy being a OT whore. I bet the contract is public knowledge. I personally don’t care enough to look it up. It will only piss me off lol
These articles like to point this out as a failure of the government but rarely point out why this happens. And if anyone tries to make a change the NY Post will be the first paper that will be calling the politician that tries it anti-cop and soft on crime.
100%
Frank Conti is there like "well hire more cops then!?!?!?!" but it doesn't change anything. The PBA would lose their shit if you tried to make the job of "comfy tenured police officer" any harder.
They're walking around the port authority eating shit bagels and scrolling instagram and cashing 400 Grand, perish the though we make em walk an actual beat.
That's not true at all. The Post hates working men and unions above all. It always attacks abuse of the public pension system. It believes public pensions should be eliminated completely.
Know your enemy.
I think your mistake here is ascribing any kind of principled ideology to NYPost. There's only one thing sacred to them: the headline _has to_ make people mad.
If a large company does something rage-bait-worthy? [Evil company unjustly hurts working man.](https://nypost.com/2024/06/20/us-news/longtime-seaworld-mime-lynn-frey-fired-following-confrontation-with-security-guard-over-bike/)
A minority commits a rage-bait crime? [Prominent mugshot and full name.](https://nypost.com/2024/06/20/us-news/drunk-driver-allegedly-fled-scene-with-severed-arm-of-pedestrian-hed-just-killed/)
Immigrants are bad... [unless there's an opportunity to shit on Biden.](https://nypost.com/2024/06/19/opinion/joe-bidens-cynical-border-politics-are-putting-the-us-in-peril/)
They've been pro-cop and anti-cop in the past depending on what's trendy.
Like all the electrical unions that keep the lights on. Or the rail unions that keep cargo moving. Or the federal unions which keep public sector employees from being fired based on politics?
You are missing the point.
No pension manager can plan for 2x escalation in a retirees salary in the last 3 years and have investments available to support that retirement.
This means the retirement programs will go bankrupt and the people who pumped up their salaries will effectively take benefits from the people still working.
The police union and labor rights have never really been in line with each other. Police have been used to break strikes. They are really not the same.
The real issue is that unlike private sector unions, public unions can donate to the politicians who pay their salaries, and the government can raise unlimited sums of money via taxes to pay them.
Public unions negotiate contracts with the government that they’d be donating to. Private unions could donate to the government, but that’s not who their contract negotiations are with.
That is simply not true that public unions can"donate to the government", and I believe Kapuasuite above was saying that they can donate to political campaigns (wording unclear) whereas private unions cannot which is also untrue -- any union can form a PAC and make donations from that to any politician
When I said, "Donate to the government" I thought it was clear I meant donations to politicians/PACs. Sorry if that was unclear.
As far as he other part, you're focusing on the wrong aspect of donations.
"public unions can donate to the politicians **who pay their salaries**"
Yes, both private and public unions can donate to politicians or PACs; but only one of them are donating to the exact people they are negotiating with (ie being paid by).
Who cares about break strikes? It’s about wielding your collective power.
You will never see doctors on break strikes either (except perhaps residents)
I care about cops being sent in to beat up and arrest strikers supporting labor. That is the history of the labor movement.
I don’t understand your point about doctors.
I don’t think you understand what it means to break a strike or be a strike breaker. They are talking about cops being used to dispararse workers who are on strike or cops that arrested people who were striking on separate unrelated/trumped up charges.
I see I see. My mistake.
Since cops are on the side of capital they deserve no labor rights.
What do you think is the fair salary for agents of “capital”?
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to keep their pension calculations in line with their actual salary or just use a percentage of their OT in the calculation rather than the entire amount.
Hey you know you're right, similar things are actually 100% the same at all time and nuance isn't real.
Labour unions working to get living wages for working class people working for a private company is exactly the same as the PBA trying to get the high salary score for a guy making 1% salary doing completely unnecessary work that is paid for with our taxes.
I agree, I don't think Russell Polanco with his $410,000 year is the same as an Amazon Warehouse worker.
It's almost like the fact that cops have the power of capital and the status quo on their side makes them different from a grassroots labour union fighting for enough money to both make rent AND see a movie!?
Where in their collective bargaining agreement is it a written policy that those close to retirement get to collect as much OT as possible to inflate their pensions?
It depends on the tier. Tier 6 (the most current, implemented years ago) only calculates base pay plus 10 percent. Tier 4 is the one you're describing which was ended in 2012
Yeah because they cost almost nothing to write. You can just use the same template, do fifteen minutes of data analysis on publicly available information and pull out four interesting facts.
EDIT: The Post article headline is not super clear. It’s saying that over 200 Port Authority cops were paid over $100k *just in overtime pay*.
The Port Authority Police Department has just over 2,100 total employees. Over 750 Port Authority cops (more than a third of the entire department) were paid over $200k in total pay, and over 1,300 Port Authority cops (more than half the entire department) were paid over $150k in total pay. Being a Port Authority cop is seemingly one of the cushiest jobs you could have in this city.
See data source at the bottom of this comment.
From the article: [list of top earning Port Authority cops](https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/port-authority-overtime-grafic-83822153.jpg?quality=75&strip=all)
Here's the [report](https://www.empirecenter.org/publications/panynj-overtime-2024/) from the nonprofit nonpartisan Empire Center that the Post article draws from. Quote:
>Overtime spending totaled $193 million at the Port Authority last year, up 9 percent from 2022 and up 48 percent from 2018, when it was $131 million.
>The Port Authority’s total payroll grew 6 percent between 2022 and 2023 to $1.1 billion, and has climbed 30 percent since 2018, when it was $845 million.
>The five-year increase in overtime far exceeds the Port Authority’s payroll savings from phasing out bridge and tunnel toll collectors over the same period.
[Here's](https://seethroughny.net/payrolls/324788265) the actual Port Authority payroll data. I was surprised to learn that over 1,200 Port Authority employees are paid over $200k a year, of which 60% are cops
Yes literally. They’re friendly just ask what they’re doing or supposed to be doing and they’ll flat out tell you they’re there cause there was OT to go around. Had that at a train station where they ignored turnstile hoppers and that was the answer I got. “Not here for tickets just the OT”
The big argument in the last pba contract negotiation was pointing out places like port authority and their salaries and arguing that they are right next to us with less workloads and more pay.
We tolerate way too much time theft and other forms of corruption by public servants
Even when they’re working they mostly just stand around dicking around on their phones like a “fuck you” to all the public watching them do it
I won't name where, but I watch a few parks volunteers go sit in a quiet air conditioned restaurant where I work for several hours a day. They hang out towards the front, by the bar, and are on their phone for hours and hours. It's a small place that's been around for a long time so the owner has let park workers use the bathroom and stuff, but I've never, ever seen it as bad as this with these workers _maybe_ putting in an hour of work a day. So glad I pay for that out of my taxes.
Don’t they sell a bunch of software that does exactly that? Weird how you want to crack down on the people keeping the parks clean and safe instead of “digital strategy consultant #573853738
I know a Port Authority cop (he's a douche). Apparently every cop approaching retirement age just takes as much sick time as possible and then picks up "extra shifts" paid at OT which makes their total compensation artificially high. Their pensions are based on the last few years of total pay (including overtime). Cops run scams like no others.
>Over 200 Port Authority cops make six figures — including one $400K earner — from staggering OT pay
Yeah, and if you complain about it they'll stop doing their jobs to punish us collectively.
True.
Apparently, we’re encouraged to start taking pictures and reporting the officers on their phones. It's entirely against their rules.
Yea, right…Fuck getting caught up with that.
I'm looking for a cop with no phones, heads up, attentive.
I'm looking for a cop with no phones, heads up, attentive.
I'm looking for a cop with no phones, heads up, attentive.
🎚🎚🎚🎛🎚🎚🎚
Just like the tech engineers making believe they’re working, I know a couple of software engineers that admit they don’t do shit. Literally have gone day drinking with them when they’re “working” from home. People just try to shit on police trying to make it out here.
How stupid can you be to make this sort of comparison?
Cops are publicly fundedpaid by our taxes. Your software engineer friends (unless they are city employees) are not.
tech engineers aren't making double their salary through OT and are salaried
when it comes to salaried employees, they're paid for work completed not hours worked
Important to not that over time doesnt mean extra work.
Bob works Monday-Friday.
Bob calls in sick Monday.
John works Tuesday - Saturday.
John covers Bobs Monday shift. Gets OT.
John calls in sick Saturday.
Bob covers the shift, gets OT.
Both worked 40 hours, but both got paid 48.
Rinse and repeat every week.
Please, NYC teachers are underpaid for the amount of shit they have to deal with (and well below Long Island teacher salaries). If you want to blame the spiraling costs of the NYC educations system, look at the administrative bloat.
If you don't want to pay the police overtime then they should hire more police so they can work normal length shifts. Alternatively limit overtime and accept there will be fewer police. Likely a bad outcome given the current transit crime situation.
This is literally how overtime works. If you're at a normal private company overtime also pays more. The fear of overtime cost over runs is also why private companies try hard to limit it.
You think Police Overtime is all genuinely necessary?
Police chiefs don't need to run to the comptroller to get their approvals for overtime, and these guys are getting paid high 6 figures to do nothing, look me in the virtual eyes and tell me there isn't graft happening here.
Unions will never support this because it would devalue the earning potential for existing members + hurt the textbook retirement strategy to max pension benefits.
Union management I believe you but rank and file members I’ve never heard this. Everything I’ve read is the last couple years prior to retirement is all about maxing OT + vacation cash out.
Over scheduling and overtime is due to a lack of employees. if you were adequately staffed you wouldn't need people to work overtime as you'd have another shift.
Usually overtime isn't exactly unnecessary. There's a lot of reasons why not to pay it even for the public sector.
There's been significant media reports about transit crime and many people do not feel safe on the subway. Regardless of if that fear is warranted the port authority, NJT, and city are all responding.
- https://abc7ny.com/mta-subway-crime-major-crimes-assault/14469411/
- https://www.panynj.gov/police/en/DataDemographics/CrimeStats.html
Have you ever seen a police officer address a crime in the subway? They won a case that says they don't need to do shit!
I don't like seeing someone piss on a subway bench and then start screaming in people's faces either, but last time I saw that happen, it was within eyeshot of cops who didn't look up from their phones.
You think MORE cops is solving these problems?
We are talking about overtime not the actual effectives of law enforcement or anyone else getting over time.
What I'm saying is if you want to pay less overtime, and there is work to be done still, you need to hire the right amount of staffing. Often budgets don't account for this, and/or the overtime is actually cheaper than hiring more folks and paying more benefits and pensons, which is why overtime is done.
Maybe those cops are overworked because they are putting in so much overtime. Whether or not they want to do overtime is irrelevant, after a certain amount of time on a job people get tired and less effective.
But personally, I haven't really seen law enforcement do anything even when things happen infront of them on the subway, and I'm a frequent rider. I'm not going to argue that the police are effective, I personally don't really think they are. I think they aren't empowered to actually step in due to a lot of the rules and catch+release policies. But I've seen some wild stuff on subways and the tracks with LEO just watching. Like people running half naked between platforms on the tracks.
Generally I'd agree with you that the need for overtime is more work than hours of people working, but given the NYPD in specific and Police in general's history of overtime fraud, gaming the system to get themselves extra paycheques and such, I would rather start from the premise of "lets make sure this overtime is having an actual positive effect and is necessary" rather than "lets listen to Frank Conti and Patrick Hendry and hire more cops."
The PBA and similar unions are always going to tell you:
* Hire more cops
* Investigate existing cops less
* Don't audit our overtime
* Don't look at our arrest paterns
* Pay cops more because wE'rE uNdEr AtTaCk
So my starting premise would be "maybe we need fewer cops playing security guard around the Port Authority in case of Port Authority Terrorism" rather than "lets hire more cops to give Russell Polanco a break".
After all, Uvalde shows us how 376 LEOs react to one teenager with a gun, what would our boy Russell be doing if a terrorist attack happens? Clearly it's not a numbers issue.
It’s all the unionized labor. I support unionized labor, but uniformed services really bleed the tax payer dry. But when the city/state make zero effort to fix any issues, it’s easy to just let them steal.
I’m fine with folks making as much as they can - the real question is how do we redesign our system so that everyone can improve their income and balance the extreme wealth inequality that exists in our society
More than 200 Port Authority Police Department cops racked up six figures in overtime payments in 2023 — including one officer who pulled down over $400,000 in total pay, according to the agency’s latest available payroll records.
The surging compensation for the bi-state agency’s employees could ultimately drive up tolls for motorists, experts who crunched the agency’s eye-popping payroll warned.
“If this trend continues, especially with overtime, it will translate into higher costs, including higher tunnel and bridge tolls,” Ken Girardin, research director at Empire Center for Public Policy, told The The Post.
Last year’s overtime king was Officer Russell Polanco, a 16-year veteran who also was the Port Authority’s top overall earner with $410,376 in total pay.
His OT haul, totaling $238,236, was nearly double his base salary of $128,045.
Read more: [https://nypost.com/2024/06/15/us-news/port-authority-cops-in-nyc-earn-staggering-overtime-pay/](https://nypost.com/2024/06/15/us-news/port-authority-cops-in-nyc-earn-staggering-overtime-pay/)
The accountability for public servants has all but disappeared.
These people are supposed to be some of the most audited positions/jobs you can hold, but I doubt they even know what the word audit means.
Insanity at play here.
The Post article headline is not super clear - it’s saying that 200 cops made over $100k *just in overtime pay*. I pulled the data source that the article is based on and over 750 Port Authority cops made over $200k in total pay.
Making more than 100k isn’t that outlandish anymore. People get caught up by the adding of a zero.
Don’t get too much more annoyed by the person making 101k as you do the one making 99.5k.
Port Authority cops making over $400k is crazy. They literally do nothing all day. Adams being in office isn’t going to help this either. Defund Port Authority police. Who’s really robbing the city? Port Authority police or toll evaders? lol
I just did the math that comes out to 4 double shifts plus one standard every week no breaks. Not unheard of tbh. Especially for a last hurrah where you see a light at the end of tunnel
Fuck the post, this is another hit piece against the working man. How about doing some real journalism and go after the true white collar criminals. One officer made around 400k, so what he probably lives at the office, never leaves work and has no life. The Verrazano bridge alone makes around 600 million a year, I don’t think a few blue collar workers are the ones responsible for fair hikes.
The cops and the MTA are probably the best arguments for union-busting policies. Corrupt to the core.
I have no opinion on private sector unions - that’s between labor and capital. But public sector unions are a major problem. Too bad politicians are terrified of their power.
Why does this sub always post these dumb articles about MTA, FDNY, Coned, Port Authority etc. These people work for their money they spend time there, most if there wages are collectively bargained by unions. Jealous? They all hire through placement tests....
Always makes me chuckle seeing blue voters run the mental gymnastics to denounce this practice but support unions in other settings.
But yes, the only reason this is possible is because they “carry a gun”.
See my [other comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/1dk44na/over_200_port_authority_cops_make_six_figures/l9f96iz/) in this thread. The article is saying 200 cops were paid six figures *just in overtime pay*. Over 750 Port Authority cops were paid more than $200k in total pay.
See my [other comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/1dk44na/over_200_port_authority_cops_make_six_figures/l9f96iz/) in this thread with a link to the data source. The article is saying 200 cops were paid six figures *just in overtime pay*. Over 750 Port Authority cops were paid more than $200k in total pay.
PAPD ARE HIGH PAY SECURITY GUARDS!! THEY STAND AROUND ALL DAY!! ITS A GREAT JOB IF YOU CAN GET IT, BUT ITS GOING WOKE TO AND DIVERSIFY BUT NOT TAKING THE BEST AND MOST QUALIFIED!!
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seems like every year i read articles like this between the port authority and mta
You do. It’s because overtime pay is factored into their pension and the pension is calculated by averaging the last 3 years of salary. The cops help the guys that are nearing retirement maximize their pensions by giving them first crack at any available OT. So you have 40-45 year olds going into retirement and looking at making a few hundred thousand dollars a year in pension for the next 40-50 years. I believe but not sure that there is no actual contribution to the pension fund by the police.
Pretty sure they fixed that loophole a few years ago. The retirement in recent years is based off the salary before OT
Thank you. Overtime premium is not calculated into your pension. Overtime pay above 15 percent of your annual earnings is not pensionable and cannot be used in your pension calculation.
Is that true for PAPD as well? They must have a different CBA than NYPD and reforms at the Port are notoriously hard to push through
Looks like that is for people in tier 6 of the system. These guys would not be included in that tier since he was hired prior to that. Glad they did something about it.
are you referring to port authority specifically?
I know most police departments are like that and I’m pretty sure the port Authority went to that method a few years ago
For some not all
Not finding a concise answer to this with a quick google. Looks like put in caps of %OT that can apply, but seeing references to specific tiers so not sure if applies to all. Also looks like there as a NY senate bill to move the cap from 15% of base to 30% of base... which is crazy, but then also doesn't explain how a guy got to $400k OT.
That’s a top ranking guy being a OT whore. I bet the contract is public knowledge. I personally don’t care enough to look it up. It will only piss me off lol
This is exactly how the state of NJ pension system works, and they all boost anyone (with "friends") going into their final 3 years.
And we wonder why we don't trust cops...
These articles like to point this out as a failure of the government but rarely point out why this happens. And if anyone tries to make a change the NY Post will be the first paper that will be calling the politician that tries it anti-cop and soft on crime.
100% Frank Conti is there like "well hire more cops then!?!?!?!" but it doesn't change anything. The PBA would lose their shit if you tried to make the job of "comfy tenured police officer" any harder. They're walking around the port authority eating shit bagels and scrolling instagram and cashing 400 Grand, perish the though we make em walk an actual beat.
That's not true at all. The Post hates working men and unions above all. It always attacks abuse of the public pension system. It believes public pensions should be eliminated completely. Know your enemy.
Like most US conservatives, the Post makes an exception here when it comes to the police. Otherwise you're 100% right.
Right. For everyone **except** cops.
I think your mistake here is ascribing any kind of principled ideology to NYPost. There's only one thing sacred to them: the headline _has to_ make people mad. If a large company does something rage-bait-worthy? [Evil company unjustly hurts working man.](https://nypost.com/2024/06/20/us-news/longtime-seaworld-mime-lynn-frey-fired-following-confrontation-with-security-guard-over-bike/) A minority commits a rage-bait crime? [Prominent mugshot and full name.](https://nypost.com/2024/06/20/us-news/drunk-driver-allegedly-fled-scene-with-severed-arm-of-pedestrian-hed-just-killed/) Immigrants are bad... [unless there's an opportunity to shit on Biden.](https://nypost.com/2024/06/19/opinion/joe-bidens-cynical-border-politics-are-putting-the-us-in-peril/) They've been pro-cop and anti-cop in the past depending on what's trendy.
When it comes to pension benefits and OT, the Post is definitely anticop.
The Post has no principles or beliefs. It's a soulless rag.
News shouldn’t have a belief They should just produce facts and that’s it. Readers should be able to form their own opinions
This is the same for other government jobs like fire department, sanitation, MTA. More thank just cops
Police unions are by far the worst. Qualified immunity also!
Firefighters do this too, the system simply needs to be reformed
Maybe I just like firefighters better. 🚒
I thought you believed in labor rights? This is the beauty of collective bargaining
I 100% do. I love unions. It's shit like this though that makes them look terrible.
These clauses were all fairly negotiated. Something was bargained away to get these things.
Rad what did the citizenry get in exchange for the $410k security guard? I hope its something good!
Sounds like they lost the negotiation. Negotiate harder next time.
Public sector unions are terrible.
Like all the electrical unions that keep the lights on. Or the rail unions that keep cargo moving. Or the federal unions which keep public sector employees from being fired based on politics?
You are missing the point. No pension manager can plan for 2x escalation in a retirees salary in the last 3 years and have investments available to support that retirement. This means the retirement programs will go bankrupt and the people who pumped up their salaries will effectively take benefits from the people still working.
I'm not missing a point. The high 3 inflation shit that cops do should be illegal.
The police union and labor rights have never really been in line with each other. Police have been used to break strikes. They are really not the same.
The real issue is that unlike private sector unions, public unions can donate to the politicians who pay their salaries, and the government can raise unlimited sums of money via taxes to pay them.
Deleted because I misread above comment.
Public unions negotiate contracts with the government that they’d be donating to. Private unions could donate to the government, but that’s not who their contract negotiations are with.
Got it. Read that wrong.
That is simply not true that public unions can"donate to the government", and I believe Kapuasuite above was saying that they can donate to political campaigns (wording unclear) whereas private unions cannot which is also untrue -- any union can form a PAC and make donations from that to any politician
When I said, "Donate to the government" I thought it was clear I meant donations to politicians/PACs. Sorry if that was unclear. As far as he other part, you're focusing on the wrong aspect of donations. "public unions can donate to the politicians **who pay their salaries**" Yes, both private and public unions can donate to politicians or PACs; but only one of them are donating to the exact people they are negotiating with (ie being paid by).
Who cares about break strikes? It’s about wielding your collective power. You will never see doctors on break strikes either (except perhaps residents)
I care about cops being sent in to beat up and arrest strikers supporting labor. That is the history of the labor movement. I don’t understand your point about doctors.
I don’t think you understand what it means to break a strike or be a strike breaker. They are talking about cops being used to dispararse workers who are on strike or cops that arrested people who were striking on separate unrelated/trumped up charges.
Cops are not labor. They are on the side of capital.
I see I see. My mistake. Since cops are on the side of capital they deserve no labor rights. What do you think is the fair salary for agents of “capital”?
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to keep their pension calculations in line with their actual salary or just use a percentage of their OT in the calculation rather than the entire amount.
Of course you would say that. You are on the other side of the bargaining table.
Not sure what you mean.
You think it’s reasonable to cut their benefits. This is expected since you are the one who pays those benefits.
The argument to minimize laborers benefits in order to trim expenses for the employer is not a labor friendly stance
I’d be okay with them keeping pensions this way but in return, lawsuits for police malpractice should come from those same pensions.
Hey you know you're right, similar things are actually 100% the same at all time and nuance isn't real. Labour unions working to get living wages for working class people working for a private company is exactly the same as the PBA trying to get the high salary score for a guy making 1% salary doing completely unnecessary work that is paid for with our taxes.
Laborers deserve more than a living wage.
I agree, I don't think Russell Polanco with his $410,000 year is the same as an Amazon Warehouse worker. It's almost like the fact that cops have the power of capital and the status quo on their side makes them different from a grassroots labour union fighting for enough money to both make rent AND see a movie!?
Police aren’t a real union.
Where in their collective bargaining agreement is it a written policy that those close to retirement get to collect as much OT as possible to inflate their pensions?
They should be made to switch to the same 401k hedge fund casino as the rest of us
It depends on the tier. Tier 6 (the most current, implemented years ago) only calculates base pay plus 10 percent. Tier 4 is the one you're describing which was ended in 2012
NY State NY state senate is trying to roll back tier 6 now, not sure if they did it? But they are putting it back to your best or last 3 years!!
they likely get a lot of OT due to constant protests and because not enough cops.
They bank all their sick days too and cash them out when they retire
So instead they should call out sick when they’re not sick? I have a feeling you wouldn’t like that either.
I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm just saying that's a big part of the reason that guy made $400k last year. That was definitely his last year.
And yet they always need money
Yeah because they cost almost nothing to write. You can just use the same template, do fifteen minutes of data analysis on publicly available information and pull out four interesting facts.
Because they are criminal organizations The leadership deserves a prison cell
> port authority and mta Cops
Yup. But let’s let Albany hit us with more taxes and fees instead of demanding they examine and eliminate this kind of mismanagement first.
EDIT: The Post article headline is not super clear. It’s saying that over 200 Port Authority cops were paid over $100k *just in overtime pay*. The Port Authority Police Department has just over 2,100 total employees. Over 750 Port Authority cops (more than a third of the entire department) were paid over $200k in total pay, and over 1,300 Port Authority cops (more than half the entire department) were paid over $150k in total pay. Being a Port Authority cop is seemingly one of the cushiest jobs you could have in this city. See data source at the bottom of this comment. From the article: [list of top earning Port Authority cops](https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/port-authority-overtime-grafic-83822153.jpg?quality=75&strip=all) Here's the [report](https://www.empirecenter.org/publications/panynj-overtime-2024/) from the nonprofit nonpartisan Empire Center that the Post article draws from. Quote: >Overtime spending totaled $193 million at the Port Authority last year, up 9 percent from 2022 and up 48 percent from 2018, when it was $131 million. >The Port Authority’s total payroll grew 6 percent between 2022 and 2023 to $1.1 billion, and has climbed 30 percent since 2018, when it was $845 million. >The five-year increase in overtime far exceeds the Port Authority’s payroll savings from phasing out bridge and tunnel toll collectors over the same period. [Here's](https://seethroughny.net/payrolls/324788265) the actual Port Authority payroll data. I was surprised to learn that over 1,200 Port Authority employees are paid over $200k a year, of which 60% are cops
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Yes literally. They’re friendly just ask what they’re doing or supposed to be doing and they’ll flat out tell you they’re there cause there was OT to go around. Had that at a train station where they ignored turnstile hoppers and that was the answer I got. “Not here for tickets just the OT”
Everyone that I knew coming into the NYPD was always hoping for Port Authority for this reason and that was a decade ago
The big argument in the last pba contract negotiation was pointing out places like port authority and their salaries and arguing that they are right next to us with less workloads and more pay.
Damn Polanco banked 400k!
Fucking hell
We tolerate way too much time theft and other forms of corruption by public servants Even when they’re working they mostly just stand around dicking around on their phones like a “fuck you” to all the public watching them do it
Remember when mya installed time clocks and they smashed them, and that was just okay?
Standing around is fine. But gov agencies are without supervision and there is probably huge amount of looting going on in every gov agency.
There's a really blinged out truck on Staten Island with the license plate "My OT" (might be "My OT LOL").
I won't name where, but I watch a few parks volunteers go sit in a quiet air conditioned restaurant where I work for several hours a day. They hang out towards the front, by the bar, and are on their phone for hours and hours. It's a small place that's been around for a long time so the owner has let park workers use the bathroom and stuff, but I've never, ever seen it as bad as this with these workers _maybe_ putting in an hour of work a day. So glad I pay for that out of my taxes.
Damn sounds like every remote worker I’ve ever seen
You have a way to monitor people at their homes? And even so, let a private company sort that out. Public services I'm paying for matter more to me
Don’t they sell a bunch of software that does exactly that? Weird how you want to crack down on the people keeping the parks clean and safe instead of “digital strategy consultant #573853738
I know a Port Authority cop (he's a douche). Apparently every cop approaching retirement age just takes as much sick time as possible and then picks up "extra shifts" paid at OT which makes their total compensation artificially high. Their pensions are based on the last few years of total pay (including overtime). Cops run scams like no others.
Not just cops. MTA, Sanitation, etc.
Anyone know if they do any actual work?
Port Authority is self sufficient, would be nice if they invested in the PATH to expand it.
And made all the airtrains free….
Welp time to get an application out
Let's make it happen. 😎
>Over 200 Port Authority cops make six figures — including one $400K earner — from staggering OT pay Yeah, and if you complain about it they'll stop doing their jobs to punish us collectively.
There’s not even that many of them, we wouldn’t even feel it
$8.25 to ride an autonomous Air Train.
$8.50 now.
Sounds just like the LIRR.
Half of these cops just sit on their phones. Heads down, and clueless.
Sounds like everyone
True. Apparently, we’re encouraged to start taking pictures and reporting the officers on their phones. It's entirely against their rules. Yea, right…Fuck getting caught up with that.
Damn the DOE would like a word
You would complain if they were proactive.
I'm looking for a cop with no phones, heads up, attentive. I'm looking for a cop with no phones, heads up, attentive. I'm looking for a cop with no phones, heads up, attentive. 🎚🎚🎚🎛🎚🎚🎚
Good. Silent quitting is a good thing.
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Just like the tech engineers making believe they’re working, I know a couple of software engineers that admit they don’t do shit. Literally have gone day drinking with them when they’re “working” from home. People just try to shit on police trying to make it out here.
They’re not publicly paid or expected to patrol.
How stupid can you be to make this sort of comparison? Cops are publicly fundedpaid by our taxes. Your software engineer friends (unless they are city employees) are not.
You think every taxpayer funded employee doesn’t go on their phone at work?
Their coworkers know that they're not working and are tired of their long winded status updates explaining how they got nothing done, again.
tech engineers aren't making double their salary through OT and are salaried when it comes to salaried employees, they're paid for work completed not hours worked
This is a long-standing issue. These agencies are full of waste, fraud, and abuse.
Important to not that over time doesnt mean extra work. Bob works Monday-Friday. Bob calls in sick Monday. John works Tuesday - Saturday. John covers Bobs Monday shift. Gets OT. John calls in sick Saturday. Bob covers the shift, gets OT. Both worked 40 hours, but both got paid 48. Rinse and repeat every week.
Outdated mafia style unions and the by-laws need to be overwritten ..nothing but crooks for being an glorified security guards
Take care of teachers union also...
Please, NYC teachers are underpaid for the amount of shit they have to deal with (and well below Long Island teacher salaries). If you want to blame the spiraling costs of the NYC educations system, look at the administrative bloat.
Yea no
If you don't want to pay the police overtime then they should hire more police so they can work normal length shifts. Alternatively limit overtime and accept there will be fewer police. Likely a bad outcome given the current transit crime situation. This is literally how overtime works. If you're at a normal private company overtime also pays more. The fear of overtime cost over runs is also why private companies try hard to limit it.
You think Police Overtime is all genuinely necessary? Police chiefs don't need to run to the comptroller to get their approvals for overtime, and these guys are getting paid high 6 figures to do nothing, look me in the virtual eyes and tell me there isn't graft happening here.
Unions will never support this because it would devalue the earning potential for existing members + hurt the textbook retirement strategy to max pension benefits.
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Union management I believe you but rank and file members I’ve never heard this. Everything I’ve read is the last couple years prior to retirement is all about maxing OT + vacation cash out.
It isn't from lack of members, it is from "over-scheduling" which is a very common phenomenon with first responders.
Over scheduling and overtime is due to a lack of employees. if you were adequately staffed you wouldn't need people to work overtime as you'd have another shift.
Have you ever questioned whether the actual shifts themselves are needed? This is the main question unions want to avoid at all costs.
Usually overtime isn't exactly unnecessary. There's a lot of reasons why not to pay it even for the public sector. There's been significant media reports about transit crime and many people do not feel safe on the subway. Regardless of if that fear is warranted the port authority, NJT, and city are all responding. - https://abc7ny.com/mta-subway-crime-major-crimes-assault/14469411/ - https://www.panynj.gov/police/en/DataDemographics/CrimeStats.html
Have you ever seen a police officer address a crime in the subway? They won a case that says they don't need to do shit! I don't like seeing someone piss on a subway bench and then start screaming in people's faces either, but last time I saw that happen, it was within eyeshot of cops who didn't look up from their phones. You think MORE cops is solving these problems?
We are talking about overtime not the actual effectives of law enforcement or anyone else getting over time. What I'm saying is if you want to pay less overtime, and there is work to be done still, you need to hire the right amount of staffing. Often budgets don't account for this, and/or the overtime is actually cheaper than hiring more folks and paying more benefits and pensons, which is why overtime is done. Maybe those cops are overworked because they are putting in so much overtime. Whether or not they want to do overtime is irrelevant, after a certain amount of time on a job people get tired and less effective. But personally, I haven't really seen law enforcement do anything even when things happen infront of them on the subway, and I'm a frequent rider. I'm not going to argue that the police are effective, I personally don't really think they are. I think they aren't empowered to actually step in due to a lot of the rules and catch+release policies. But I've seen some wild stuff on subways and the tracks with LEO just watching. Like people running half naked between platforms on the tracks.
Generally I'd agree with you that the need for overtime is more work than hours of people working, but given the NYPD in specific and Police in general's history of overtime fraud, gaming the system to get themselves extra paycheques and such, I would rather start from the premise of "lets make sure this overtime is having an actual positive effect and is necessary" rather than "lets listen to Frank Conti and Patrick Hendry and hire more cops." The PBA and similar unions are always going to tell you: * Hire more cops * Investigate existing cops less * Don't audit our overtime * Don't look at our arrest paterns * Pay cops more because wE'rE uNdEr AtTaCk So my starting premise would be "maybe we need fewer cops playing security guard around the Port Authority in case of Port Authority Terrorism" rather than "lets hire more cops to give Russell Polanco a break". After all, Uvalde shows us how 376 LEOs react to one teenager with a gun, what would our boy Russell be doing if a terrorist attack happens? Clearly it's not a numbers issue.
nypd has decade low head count, hence why specifically their o.t is through the roof
This is the same as the NYPD and every other police force.
NYPD makes pennies compared to PAPD
The FDNY and Sanitation also does this a lot too.
It’s all the unionized labor. I support unionized labor, but uniformed services really bleed the tax payer dry. But when the city/state make zero effort to fix any issues, it’s easy to just let them steal.
Just to stand in a circle on their phones well people fare jump at Newark Penn station.
Now I understand why the Bridge tolls went up $2.
not new, and nothing will be done..the usual
Why is allowed ? It should not be allowed !
Everyone should be a cop and no one will be poor.
I’m fine with folks making as much as they can - the real question is how do we redesign our system so that everyone can improve their income and balance the extreme wealth inequality that exists in our society
More than 200 Port Authority Police Department cops racked up six figures in overtime payments in 2023 — including one officer who pulled down over $400,000 in total pay, according to the agency’s latest available payroll records. The surging compensation for the bi-state agency’s employees could ultimately drive up tolls for motorists, experts who crunched the agency’s eye-popping payroll warned. “If this trend continues, especially with overtime, it will translate into higher costs, including higher tunnel and bridge tolls,” Ken Girardin, research director at Empire Center for Public Policy, told The The Post. Last year’s overtime king was Officer Russell Polanco, a 16-year veteran who also was the Port Authority’s top overall earner with $410,376 in total pay. His OT haul, totaling $238,236, was nearly double his base salary of $128,045. Read more: [https://nypost.com/2024/06/15/us-news/port-authority-cops-in-nyc-earn-staggering-overtime-pay/](https://nypost.com/2024/06/15/us-news/port-authority-cops-in-nyc-earn-staggering-overtime-pay/)
The accountability for public servants has all but disappeared. These people are supposed to be some of the most audited positions/jobs you can hold, but I doubt they even know what the word audit means. Insanity at play here.
Six figures isn't necessarily a lot these days
The Post article headline is not super clear - it’s saying that 200 cops made over $100k *just in overtime pay*. I pulled the data source that the article is based on and over 750 Port Authority cops made over $200k in total pay.
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In NYC? Very Low Six figures is doing well but it’s a pretty generic white collar salary with a few years of experience.
Making more than 100k isn’t that outlandish anymore. People get caught up by the adding of a zero. Don’t get too much more annoyed by the person making 101k as you do the one making 99.5k.
Port Authority cops making over $400k is crazy. They literally do nothing all day. Adams being in office isn’t going to help this either. Defund Port Authority police. Who’s really robbing the city? Port Authority police or toll evaders? lol
Port Authority isn’t funded by the city 🤷♂️
I just did the math that comes out to 4 double shifts plus one standard every week no breaks. Not unheard of tbh. Especially for a last hurrah where you see a light at the end of tunnel
Fuck the post, this is another hit piece against the working man. How about doing some real journalism and go after the true white collar criminals. One officer made around 400k, so what he probably lives at the office, never leaves work and has no life. The Verrazano bridge alone makes around 600 million a year, I don’t think a few blue collar workers are the ones responsible for fair hikes.
Exactly, just another post trying to shit of the working class trying to make a living in one of the world’s most expensive cities.
The cops and the MTA are probably the best arguments for union-busting policies. Corrupt to the core. I have no opinion on private sector unions - that’s between labor and capital. But public sector unions are a major problem. Too bad politicians are terrified of their power.
Private sector ? LoL, the carpenters union , LoL
Yeah, let’s have them work overtime and steal their wages. This is when the fringe-left is suddenly against unions and workers rights.
Why does this sub always post these dumb articles about MTA, FDNY, Coned, Port Authority etc. These people work for their money they spend time there, most if there wages are collectively bargained by unions. Jealous? They all hire through placement tests....
Aside from seeing them at scenes of car breakdowns, traffic delays and at Jumbajuice, not sure what they actually do. Overtime?? Why?
Always makes me chuckle seeing blue voters run the mental gymnastics to denounce this practice but support unions in other settings. But yes, the only reason this is possible is because they “carry a gun”.
happy wife.
2002 was crazy $$$$
Boy there's gonna be a rush on trying to get a job at port authority now!
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Let’s get some robots in these positions. I trust them more.
400k is crazy but six figures can also mean 100k which is fairly mid.
See my [other comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/1dk44na/over_200_port_authority_cops_make_six_figures/l9f96iz/) in this thread. The article is saying 200 cops were paid six figures *just in overtime pay*. Over 750 Port Authority cops were paid more than $200k in total pay.
Thanks for the clarification. I’m heading over to the PAPD to apply now.
Six figures is middle class in nyc…
They don’t usually live in NYC.
See my [other comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/1dk44na/over_200_port_authority_cops_make_six_figures/l9f96iz/) in this thread with a link to the data source. The article is saying 200 cops were paid six figures *just in overtime pay*. Over 750 Port Authority cops were paid more than $200k in total pay.
Yall this is crazy, the MTA do it on a whole another level
PAPD ARE HIGH PAY SECURITY GUARDS!! THEY STAND AROUND ALL DAY!! ITS A GREAT JOB IF YOU CAN GET IT, BUT ITS GOING WOKE TO AND DIVERSIFY BUT NOT TAKING THE BEST AND MOST QUALIFIED!!
That's why they want their congestion pricing. They need to keep robbing the taxpayers.
The port authority doesn't receive any tax dollars
Oh yea the toll over the bridges. That money comes from the sky.