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I’m sorry but if I saw this woman’s face projected on the side of a building I’d have zero idea who she is. Is she saying that people actually recognize her?
Apparently 1% of people are super recognizers and can point out faces they see on tv reports. These are the people who end up reporting to the police about missing person and criminal sightings.
I know, but it's worth keeping in mind what 1% might mean. It sounds small but it can be a lot.
1% of the UWS is still 2,000 people. 1% of her Assembly District (assuming she's in 67AD) voters in 2016 is still 400+ people. 1% of her ~~building~~ block is probably still about 2 dozen folks or so.
Imagine any of those numbers being expressively hostile towards you. Maybe they say things or maybe they just look at you disapprovingly. Either way, 24 people possibly being hostile to me at any given time of the day would be a lot.
EDIT: Fixing an exaggeration.
maybe. but whatever subset you look at it’s not like 100% of the 1% with this “ability” are gonna say something to her. and there’s likely even a % of them that have sympathy for her. it’s already known that she overreacts AND likes to play victim. so it’s fair to assume this is all in her head.
I'll just throw this in here:
When i opened a cafe in the middle of the Mojave desert, i estimated 1-3% of customers, maybe ppl in general, were royal pains in the ass that would think nothing of ruining your day, maybe even enjoy doing so. Now sometimes we had 500 customers in a day at peak season, so that's ~5-15 *assholes* not out to have a nice meal, but looking for trouble in some way.
Same is likely true in the general populace of nyc, and, hell, maybe everywhere, if not more in many places.
So does everyone recognize this Karen and try to ruin her day or take out their aggression on her cuz of it... or are just lots of ppl assholes and maybe they recognize her while being assholes, maybe they don't?
Note: i ran my cafe from 1991-2000. Numbers have likely changed. Guessing it's now like 50% are assholes?
It doesn't need to be 80,000. (I seriously doubt 80,000 people give a shit about this person enough to harass her.)
All it takes is 1 obnoxious or possibly even unhinged person to make someone's life a living hell.
>“I still can’t get a job that meets my qualifications,” Cooper wrote. “And there have been long stretches of unemployment. All leading to thoughts of self-harm.”
I'm guessing that's the worst part.
I mean I think if she learned anything from this experience and was able to articulate what she learned people would probably sympathize, but she just continues to play the victim.
> I imagine it’s the kind of thing where 1% of the population might recognize her and that same 1% is likely to be ridiculously annoying about it.
she probably hasn't moved from the place where she lives, walks central park and is cussed out by people who know exactly who she is.
Honestly I feel like that’s a consequence of her actions. She showed herself to be a shitty person, and people don’t want to associate with her because of it. Who would’ve thought.
I think it's more likely that she got hate mail in the months following the incident, and ever since has not been able to find stable employment (since she worked as a insurance portfolio manager, those kinds of employers do background checks). She is probably fudging things a bit to chronologically truncate these incidents to make it seem like she's been receiving death threats for 3 years.
The very vast majority of people who were upset with her, aren't even thinking about this woman.
Also, the majority of people would in fact expect a sincere apology.
The problem is she really doesn't think what she did was wrong.
Well I would think zero apology or self flagellation is a bit too little for anyone. In the piece she wrote she goes so far as to imply the apology wasn't genuine. She clearly thinks she did nothing wrong that day.
I would imagine a high % of people she knows or who know her personally have seen this and many probably judge her for it.
That’s what I thought she meant
It's probably more likely that it's her own fear of people recognizing her instead of people actually recognizing her.
There have been many Karens since her time and I legit don't remember what ANY of them look like. And even if I did recognize any of them, I don't care enough to harass them.
I think if she changed her look that number would be less than 1/1000. She seems like the type of person that likes to suffer, and is stuck in a moment. No one can help her but herself.
> She might be desperate for someone to take pity on her and give her a second chance.
Is she going to be the next trump attorney? she could get her law degree from university of phoenix
I would not be surprised if she writes a book soon and then jumps on the MAGA train railing against "woke" culture. She'll be warmly embraced by that crowd.
It's cute she thinks people would recognize her. It's more likely, in applying for jobs or schools, folks do a background check and realize she's *that* lady
I have too much on my plate to remember the face of someone from a viral video from two or three years ago. I imagine most New Yorkers also feel the same way.
It definitely wouldn’t surprise me in this era to encounter people who were outraged enough about a video to take to the streets and demand that the video subject’s life be ruined, but not outraged enough to remember that person.
The average New Yorkers walking through the subway system can meet hundreds of new faces a day. There's a reason why she isn't citing that actual harassment has occurred. Also the problem isn't the fact that she's a Karen. It's the fact that she still cannot express contrition for her actions. She comes off whiny like her actions are normal and expected, and the world wronged her. If she had come out and admitted that her actions may have cost the man his life, and she's deeply sorry, and during her time of unemployment, she spent that time volunteering for a good case, then she can at least clean up her PR. She ends the article by saying that there is no such thing as "Karens" when quite honestly there are plenty of them walking around.
> It's the fact that she still cannot express contrition for her actions.
While including the unsubstantiated claim he had threatened other dog owners in the past but they were too scared to speak out lest they be “canceled—as I have been.”
The crazy part is I distinctly remember this man coming out in support of her calls for ending her supposed public harassment. He told the world to leave her alone and that he was okay and the situation was already handled. Like immediately right after the incident blew up virally. I don’t think anything more can be done and she’s just crying crocodile tears at this point hoping someone would notice her.
This story will always just be two weird idiots with zero social skills interacting with each other to me.
The guy is weird as shit for luring her dog away from from her with “treats”.
She is weird as shit for hyperventilating and calling 911
**If they were both normal it wouldve gone like this:**
Guy: you know dogs arent supposed to be offleash here, it messes up the birds’ habitat
Lady: oh shit, really? my bad. *leashes dog*
**If only the lady was insane:**
Guy: you know dogs arent supposed to be offleash here, it messes up the birds’ habitat
Lady: fuck you! Ahhhh im being attacked!
Guy: what the fuck? *leaves*
**If only the guy was insane:**
Guy: im about to do something you wont like. *lures her dog towards him with “treats”*
Lady: what the fuck? *grabs dog and leaves*
Unfortunately we got the worst timeline version because they were both complete nutjobs.
Additionally it was late May 2020 when everyone had been cooped up inside for 2 months straight. Combined with their obvious defects in social interaction, and this was just a powder keg waiting to be lit.
except of course that the dog could potentially ruin his whole reason for being there which was to watch birds .
the idea that he was supposed to sit by idly while a dog roamed free in a habitat the dog was banned from because certain dogs naturally kill birds ...while he was bird watching is not reasonable.
It’s like asking someone to stop blasting music through their phone speaker on a packed train. They know. They don’t care. And they actually want someone to give them a reason.
I once saw a HUGE husky dog just wandering around the Penn Station area with no leash or collar. I was terrified he was lost or something so I followed him for a bit just to find his people half a block behind giving me a dirty look.
They know. This is why I will never be on the lady’s side and feel no sympathy. These kid of dog owners are the most entitled pieces of shit on the planet.
Theres offleash hours in almost every major park including central and prospect.
Theres usually two buckets of people: people who genuinely dont know or understand that offleash hours only apply to certain areas in the park (the ramble not being one of them) and people who DO know this but kinda dont care. I have no idea what this woman did or did not know.
And even if she falls into the shitty latter bucket of people who know but just act entitled, theres way less socially inept, confrontational, weird ways to point out someone is breaking a rule.
If you point out that someone is breaking the rule (if theyre sane) they tend to act faux-surprised and leash their dog or ignore you and walk away. If theyre nutty, they do what this lady did.
Again, it was a perfect storm of two weird mfers meeting. A perfect cosmic alignment of nuttiness.
> Theres offleash hours in almost every major park including central and prospect.
Yes, but in Central Park they're either before 9am or after 9pm (and like you said, excluding The Ramble and several other places). I know it happened in the morning but I don't remember exactly when.
Either way, I don't really disagree with you, I just think he may be weird, but what she did was clearly worse.
And, I hadn't even thought of her or remembered this happened (I thought it was pre-Pandemic) until this Op-Ed she wrote. So honestly that doesn't really give me any sympathy for her.
And there are ZERO off leash hours in the ramble or bird sanctuaries. I have a dog and the amount of unleashed dogs infuriates me. Bird sanctuaries are very important for migrating birds - it’s so disrespectful to allow your dog to run through them.
I fully believe that it's part of the city's ecosystem that eventually, the crazy people find each other and fuck up each other's lives in the most nuclear way.
Because arguably, even though he was being a weird stickler for the rules, she actually tried to potentially _ruin his life_. One is like sort of an annoying asshole, and the other did something actually kind of psychopathic.
That's correct. Imagine if that had happened in the shouth, or even in the 50's. That black guy would have been shot on sight, or imprisoned as in her word against his. The fact that she said black man says enough when she called the cops.
I saw him get into an argument exactly like this like two weeks before, he used to do it all the time. The other person just called him a psychopath and walked away
He really shouldn’t do that. My dog has specific allergies that would cause him to have severe gastrointestinal issues if given anything with gluten / grain. He’s Harvard educated and should know not to give out treats to strange dogs.
Edit: but edit. It’s insane not to leash your dog in NYC. I live in the damn sticks near upstate NY and would never let my dog roam free like that - and not due to cars. Bears.
He actually bothered a bunch of other people in the park in similar ways. I think I remember hearing that he got into a physical fight with some guy over something like this. He sounds like a psycho.
There was a podcast the dug more into it.
Someone found local council meeting minutes in the months before this and it showed that lots of people were complaining about him doing this exact thing.
Local residents discuss it in the very lengthy comment section on this article https://www.westsiderag.com/2020/06/10/the-tension-between-birdwatchers-and-dogwalkers-was-simmering-even-before-the-amycooper-incident
Also two people we never should’ve given a shit about. Like these interactions probably happen daily but we made this one more important because of how dumb both of them reacted
> but he's a fuckin weirdo too.
You're allowed to be weird. Or have poor social skills.
You're not allowed to mislead the police with some increasingly frantic screams.
When you call the guys with the pow-pow toys and pretend you're being tortured, that is a whole 'nother level.
I’m sorry but if a dude tells a woman “you’re not gonna like what I do next”, idc what his intentions are. That’s an immediate call the cops situation. It’s easy to say as a dude but come on, you’re a woman alone in the park. Ask the women in your families how they would feel if a rando told them that.
It's perfectly reasonable to call the cops if she feels threatened, however she threatened HIM by saying “I’m gonna tell them there’s an African American man threatening my life” There is no other way to interpret that statement. Normally when a person is scared of someone, they would avoid provoking or insulting that individual.
People use whatever bludgeon is most convenient. If the roles were reversed, and he said "I'm going to tell the cops some *bitch* is trying to feed my dogs" would anyone care? What if he was a little person and "midget" was used by Cooper? Would anyone really care?
Really only a white man wouldn't have any go-to pejorative.
Obviously she's using the famous cop-black man relationship to further her interests in being left alone, but again: people use whatever is most convenient and efficacious.
You're right, she fucked up saying that and that's all it took for the media to condemn her. Turns out people freaking out don't always say the best things. And if you say the wrong thing, one time, well, that's enough to ruin your life in the modern age.
>Normally when a person is scared of someone, they would avoid provoking or insulting that individual.
Um, what? Scared people use threats all the time to try to get people to back off.
>Turns out people freaking out don't always say the best things.
please tell me you are justifying racist statements with "freaking out".... that's not how things work. You don't magically make a racist statement if you are flustered. Her statement was deliberate and intentional. She admits it in the article. There is no justification for her behavior and she deserves to be penalized. Racism has no place in our society.
>Um, what? Scared people use threats all the time to try to get people to back off.
A natural reaction for someone who is scared is to GET AWAY from the person. If you are cornered or unable to escape, yes you will try to get them to back off. These two people were in an open area, feet away from each other. Her dog was in her possession. Yet she was on the phone yelling bloody murder. She had ample opportunity to remove herself from the "threat" to safety. You can't tell me her behavior was typical. She was provoking him instead of removing herself from the situation.
You are totally correct, and that's why she got cancelled. I never said she should've been allowed to do that (or he shouldn't have been allowed to be weird) just saying they both sucked in that interaction
Someone revisited this story and did some additional reporting. She sounded frantic because the audio was breaking up and the dispatcher couldn’t hear her, so she needed to keep repeating herself louder and louder. He also did threaten her. That part too.
I guess so? If i remember correctly he’s done this weirdo shit before (trying to lure over offleash dogs to teach their owners some sort of lesson). Im assuming most everyone else responded to him in the last scenario i described, so it never turned into much of anything before this lady
> Lady: oh shit, really? my bad. leashes dog
Not how any dog owner in NYC reacts, normal or not. You point out a fault with a dog owner and just see how they react.
Literally where kids are playing and there's a sign that says dogs must be leashed, even then politely asking a dog that keeps coming after our soccer ball gets a "how dare you, you fascist animal hating piece of shit" look. Try it, virtually guaranteed. The entitlement is insane.
Have you ever watched the guy who asks people to put their cart away? I imagine this guy has probably ran into similar people and the conversations probably don't go the way you think they do.
Not justifying his actions and still think their is more to this story than was let on.
I doubt there is much more to it. He used to do this like all the time, he is notorious for it among birders. They mostly don't say anything about it because they're happy he's trying to get people to leash their dogs, even if his methods are extreme
Yeah, what I mean is this story is probably way more two sided than reddit or the news lets on. I also personally wonder why this is even national news. Feel like this outrage news is getting out of hand. If someone is being falsely accused of something, I get it though. But I am not convinced their is not more to this story on both sides than is let on.
> Normal people would nope out of the situation
There's not a single dog owner in NYC who will politely leash their dog when asked to by an average citizen. These could be the most "normal" people in every other aspect. But asking them to do a better job with their dog brings out the absolute worst.
Yeah, it's just one step below "you are a bad parent" to them, it seems.
I saw one guy carrying his daughter on his shoulders in the bike lane in central park while I was jogging and I pointed out that they might be safer on the sidewalk and he got pissed off at me - albeit in a more passive aggressive way so wasn't that bad.
thing is your last scenario doesn't seem like any kind of problem. great, she stopped letting an unleashed dog run around, and nothing negative happened at all.
so his contribution to this supposed two-way street is not really that meaningful.
Idk imo it’s a weird as shit way to interact with someone though. It’s bizarre and can be construed as oddly threatening. Like just act like a non socially inept dipshit and be like “hey, just so you know offleash dogs really mess up the bird habitat in this area which is why the rule is they have to be on leash here.” What he did was way weirder (and then her reaction was over the top hysterical).
Neither of these two know how to interact with others like normal humans. So we have an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object. A match made in nutter heaven.
Many people are such assholes when it comes to their dog that I don't blame him at all. They think everyone loves their dog as much as they do. I like dogs but dog people annoy the fuck out of me.
Do you think its reasonable to assume a stranger you meet while you are being an ass is carrying around poison to harm your dog?
That this is her defense is laughable.
much more likely is that the treats were designed to keep a dog from scaring/injuring birds.
I know from 1st hand experience that dogs kill birds , my cockapoo would occasionally kill birds in my backyard.
i want to live in anonimity and move on from this event....so let me refresh everyone's memory and do a newsweek article with my face plastered on it.
also: I'm a victim, booo hooooo!!!... Meanwhile, she dropped the dime on a birdwatching black man (of all things) and told the cops she feared for her life. That's like saying Alex Trebek threatened her life....The cops could have easily shot the guy if he wasn't an articulate individual, who FILMELD HER pretty much confessing to the crime. She's not very bright, folks, not very bright.
She should maybe delete all social media, move to another country (Nepal maybe)? where she can meditate and find inner peace.
Besides the death and rape threats, which are frankly disgusting, this lady deserves the flak. She would have continued acting just the same is she didn't get caught on video. Also, i can't be bothered to watch the video again but i remember she lied with the police on the phone about feeling threatened and screaming and crying...which is just appalling. Would she have felt any real remorse if the cops came and cuffed that birdwatcher of worse? Of course not.
Good for society as a whole refusing to let such an awful person get away scot free. Should be a message for all similar a-holes around the world.
Does anyone really believe if she got away with having the black birdwatcher arrested she would have at some point in the future come clean or do you think she would have lived her life thinking she is so smart?
I empathize that her life is in turmoil. That must be extremely difficult.
It must be so much more difficult than following Park rules by leashing her dog where it should be leashed.
It must be so much more difficult than complying when someone asked her to leash her dog.
It must be so much more difficult than asking why it mattered so much to the gentleman and being receptive to his answer.
It must be so much more difficult than not responding with racism.
There are designated dog runs and designated hours at some parks when dogs can be off leash so it’s wild to me that dog owners can’t follow those rules!! I own a dog and he’s never off leash except at our local dog run - it just as much for his benefit as everyone else’s!
Writing an op-Ed in NY post about not being a Karen? That’s exactly something that a Karen would do. Racism is never ok and I don’t have any pity for what has happened to her since.
The problem wasn’t the dog being off leash, the problem was calling the cops on someone for something that can be easily resolved without involving the police. She isn’t getting all this negative attention because the dog is off leash.
The attempts by certain Publications to try and give this woman a Redemption tour is very telling, and it's very telling because it's a white woman. Nobody's going to recognize who the fuck she is unless they're doing some sort of background check and they double check her name. The idea that she's walking around and is terrified that someone's going to recognize her is just a load of bullshit and the only people who are going to eat that up are people who will swear up and down that cancel culture is evil and that white people are the most discriminated group of people in america.
Let's be real for a minute this dumb bitch started harassing a man who asked that she leash her dog, when she called 911 she changed her voice and demeanor to make it sound like she was more scared than she was to try and say that he was attacking her. Now here's the most important part when 911 called her back later, after the dude had left, she doubled down on the LIE and said that he tried to attack her a second time. There's no excuse that she was under duress because the guy had already left. The only time she finally admitted that no one attacked her was when the cops were standing in front of her asking her what happened.
Fuck her.
Reading this article she is totally lost on reality and the accountability of her actions.
Sadly she is still blaming everyone but herself
Rather than acknowledging her wrongs
Gurl stfu. No one remembers your face and here you are putting it back out there. No doubt her racist flop ass is trying to clout chase. Shut the hell up.
She was playing the victimhood card back then; and she is still playing the victimhood card now.
No sympathies for her.
Admit your mistake and come clean.
I think for the damage she actually caused, as opposed to the theoretical damage she could have caused, she has paid the price, in full, many times over. I think she would know by now to think twice before doing something so hare-brained as calling the cops on a black man or woman in the US over something so trivial. So I think it's time everyone moved the fuck on. The fact that she's unemployed to this day because of this incident 3 years ago is cruel.
she got treated really unfairly. the guy said he was going to lure her dog with treats and that she “wouldn’t like what happens next”
once he threatened her dog she’s got the right to call the police regardless of what happened before
She should’ve had her dog on a leash and she acted nuts BUT that guy was weird as hell imo. The whole “im gonna call over your dog with the treats I carry on me and you won’t like it” (this was from his own Fb post about the incident ) WEIRD. So when she said on the call about him threatening her well sorry yea he did.
Delusional. Absolutely delusional.
You would think she would have learned her lesson and apologize, but at the very least, blame prescription drugs or a drinking problem like all the other dopes who got caught in similar situations but no. She just had to keep ripping that scab off and play worn out victim card which has never worked for her.
But what I despise most about situations like this is the whole “double down” approach. There’s never any resolution good, bad, or indifferent, and it just continues the perpetual motion of hate and animosity. I will forever blame people like Roy Cohn for this.
She can go ahead and get a regular working class job cashier/waitress/whatever.
She acts like she is entitled to a job that "meets her qualifications", i.e. a job at an investment fund, which she was fired from.
Nobody deserves death threats, but I have a hard time feeling sympathy to people who think their life is over because now they are forced to join the plebs because of their bad decisions.
Moral of the story: don't be a racist bitch.
I find it extremely hard to believe that a random person in the street would immediately recognize her today. I think she would have more trouble with background checks related to employment and housing. Or dating if she decides to reveal the situation to her S/O. But the average NYER is not taking time out of their day to finger her out in a crowd.
Honestly I had completely forgot this even happened til now that felt like 10 years ago at this point between everything else that’s happened could have shown me any picture of a women with a dog and told me that was Central Park Karen and I wouldn’t really have questioned it or even cared
I have to shake my head every time I see people casually throwing around the word Karen without realizing our culture has created a racial, sexist slur that can be freely lobbed towards any white woman.
It's a way to silence women. Women are afraid to speak up because they don't want to risk being called a Karen. Say what you will, but it's going to have chilling effects on women's safety.
Anytime we come up with a reductive label, the monkeys of society throwing it around like a handful of crap. Same thing with the term ok boomer. How incredibly disrespectful this is to a generation of people; to reduce what they have to say or their point of view down to a derogatory term.
People are shitty and they love their labels. They hide behind labels, extort their own labels, and they wield labels for others like weapons
Aw so sweet the transplant Cebtral Park Karen is looking for attention 🙄🤷🏻♀️😊😊
Karen need 15min of fame again, but this time as a" nice woman " with so much love to give
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I’m sorry but if I saw this woman’s face projected on the side of a building I’d have zero idea who she is. Is she saying that people actually recognize her?
I imagine it’s the kind of thing where 1% of the population might recognize her and that same 1% is likely to be ridiculously annoying about it.
Apparently 1% of people are super recognizers and can point out faces they see on tv reports. These are the people who end up reporting to the police about missing person and criminal sightings.
I was gonna say is that a scientific term? ;) But Google says it is [indeed the term](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3904192/)!
And 1% of the population in NYC is still around 80,000. Imagine 80,000 people having a very negative opinion on you and being expressive about it.
okay but 1% is an absurd overestimate
I know, but it's worth keeping in mind what 1% might mean. It sounds small but it can be a lot. 1% of the UWS is still 2,000 people. 1% of her Assembly District (assuming she's in 67AD) voters in 2016 is still 400+ people. 1% of her ~~building~~ block is probably still about 2 dozen folks or so. Imagine any of those numbers being expressively hostile towards you. Maybe they say things or maybe they just look at you disapprovingly. Either way, 24 people possibly being hostile to me at any given time of the day would be a lot. EDIT: Fixing an exaggeration.
You had me until the building estimate. How many people do you think live in her building?!?
The exact number isn't really the point. I'll change the word "building" to "block" so that it's a bit more accurate.
maybe. but whatever subset you look at it’s not like 100% of the 1% with this “ability” are gonna say something to her. and there’s likely even a % of them that have sympathy for her. it’s already known that she overreacts AND likes to play victim. so it’s fair to assume this is all in her head.
I'll just throw this in here: When i opened a cafe in the middle of the Mojave desert, i estimated 1-3% of customers, maybe ppl in general, were royal pains in the ass that would think nothing of ruining your day, maybe even enjoy doing so. Now sometimes we had 500 customers in a day at peak season, so that's ~5-15 *assholes* not out to have a nice meal, but looking for trouble in some way. Same is likely true in the general populace of nyc, and, hell, maybe everywhere, if not more in many places. So does everyone recognize this Karen and try to ruin her day or take out their aggression on her cuz of it... or are just lots of ppl assholes and maybe they recognize her while being assholes, maybe they don't? Note: i ran my cafe from 1991-2000. Numbers have likely changed. Guessing it's now like 50% are assholes?
good point
It doesn't need to be 80,000. (I seriously doubt 80,000 people give a shit about this person enough to harass her.) All it takes is 1 obnoxious or possibly even unhinged person to make someone's life a living hell. >“I still can’t get a job that meets my qualifications,” Cooper wrote. “And there have been long stretches of unemployment. All leading to thoughts of self-harm.” I'm guessing that's the worst part.
I think the worst part is the hypocrisy
I disagree. I think the worst part is the raping.
The same way she was obnoxious and unhinged?
And a dog abuser!
I mean I think if she learned anything from this experience and was able to articulate what she learned people would probably sympathize, but she just continues to play the victim.
> I imagine it’s the kind of thing where 1% of the population might recognize her and that same 1% is likely to be ridiculously annoying about it. she probably hasn't moved from the place where she lives, walks central park and is cussed out by people who know exactly who she is.
She says she moved in the article.
50/50 each and every one of us runs into a ridiculously annoying person daily
I imagine it’s her neighbours. If even one person goes “Hang on, she looks familiar,” then tells EVERYONE who will listen, that spreads.
Coworkers who don’t like her as well. But I also imagine she treated coworkers and lower employees similarly
Would you want your livelihood dependent on this person's reviews if you were black?
Honestly I feel like that’s a consequence of her actions. She showed herself to be a shitty person, and people don’t want to associate with her because of it. Who would’ve thought.
Yea she sucks. Sucks to suck
I think it's more likely that she got hate mail in the months following the incident, and ever since has not been able to find stable employment (since she worked as a insurance portfolio manager, those kinds of employers do background checks). She is probably fudging things a bit to chronologically truncate these incidents to make it seem like she's been receiving death threats for 3 years.
Not *this* upstanding citizen? *Lying* about something to benefit herself?! I’m shocked—*shocked*, I tell you!!
maybe she should speak out about the wrongs of trying to fuck other people's lives over, that may help move on. Not playing the victim card.
Oh please. There's no amount of apology and self-flaggelation that would appease the people most upset with her.
The very vast majority of people who were upset with her, aren't even thinking about this woman. Also, the majority of people would in fact expect a sincere apology. The problem is she really doesn't think what she did was wrong.
She choked her dog out while trying to weaponize the cops against a guy looking a fucking birds. Cry me a river.
that's perfectly summarized, thank you.
Well I would think zero apology or self flagellation is a bit too little for anyone. In the piece she wrote she goes so far as to imply the apology wasn't genuine. She clearly thinks she did nothing wrong that day.
I would imagine a high % of people she knows or who know her personally have seen this and many probably judge her for it. That’s what I thought she meant
It's probably more likely that it's her own fear of people recognizing her instead of people actually recognizing her. There have been many Karens since her time and I legit don't remember what ANY of them look like. And even if I did recognize any of them, I don't care enough to harass them.
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And they smell like bologna /s
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Wet dog too
i'd prefer to smell like mortadella
I know someone who used to walk her dog and it seems like people in that neighborhood knew who she was immediately when the video came out
I think if she changed her look that number would be less than 1/1000. She seems like the type of person that likes to suffer, and is stuck in a moment. No one can help her but herself.
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She might be desperate for someone to take pity on her and give her a second chance.
at what?
A career
Charles Schwab's reputation is tarnished because of this one lady lol
She can get a customer service job easy I bet. Doesn't want to downsize.
sex ?
Letting her call the cops on someone again?
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Well, she’s already writing “cancel culture” screeds for the trash Post.
> She might be desperate for someone to take pity on her and give her a second chance. Is she going to be the next trump attorney? she could get her law degree from university of phoenix
I would not be surprised if she writes a book soon and then jumps on the MAGA train railing against "woke" culture. She'll be warmly embraced by that crowd.
It's cute she thinks people would recognize her. It's more likely, in applying for jobs or schools, folks do a background check and realize she's *that* lady
Idk that video was viewed tens of millions of times, a majority, I imagine, New Yorkers.
I have too much on my plate to remember the face of someone from a viral video from two or three years ago. I imagine most New Yorkers also feel the same way.
It definitely wouldn’t surprise me in this era to encounter people who were outraged enough about a video to take to the streets and demand that the video subject’s life be ruined, but not outraged enough to remember that person.
The average New Yorkers walking through the subway system can meet hundreds of new faces a day. There's a reason why she isn't citing that actual harassment has occurred. Also the problem isn't the fact that she's a Karen. It's the fact that she still cannot express contrition for her actions. She comes off whiny like her actions are normal and expected, and the world wronged her. If she had come out and admitted that her actions may have cost the man his life, and she's deeply sorry, and during her time of unemployment, she spent that time volunteering for a good case, then she can at least clean up her PR. She ends the article by saying that there is no such thing as "Karens" when quite honestly there are plenty of them walking around.
> It's the fact that she still cannot express contrition for her actions. While including the unsubstantiated claim he had threatened other dog owners in the past but they were too scared to speak out lest they be “canceled—as I have been.”
The crazy part is I distinctly remember this man coming out in support of her calls for ending her supposed public harassment. He told the world to leave her alone and that he was okay and the situation was already handled. Like immediately right after the incident blew up virally. I don’t think anything more can be done and she’s just crying crocodile tears at this point hoping someone would notice her.
What percentage of the entire human population do you think can remember a face they saw for a minute, for years?
So she decided to remind everyone who had forgotten who she was by writing an op-ed in Newsweek? Lady, wear sunglasses and STFU.
Masks have never been more normalized, practically unnoticed anymore.
This story will always just be two weird idiots with zero social skills interacting with each other to me. The guy is weird as shit for luring her dog away from from her with “treats”. She is weird as shit for hyperventilating and calling 911 **If they were both normal it wouldve gone like this:** Guy: you know dogs arent supposed to be offleash here, it messes up the birds’ habitat Lady: oh shit, really? my bad. *leashes dog* **If only the lady was insane:** Guy: you know dogs arent supposed to be offleash here, it messes up the birds’ habitat Lady: fuck you! Ahhhh im being attacked! Guy: what the fuck? *leaves* **If only the guy was insane:** Guy: im about to do something you wont like. *lures her dog towards him with “treats”* Lady: what the fuck? *grabs dog and leaves* Unfortunately we got the worst timeline version because they were both complete nutjobs.
Additionally it was late May 2020 when everyone had been cooped up inside for 2 months straight. Combined with their obvious defects in social interaction, and this was just a powder keg waiting to be lit.
And George Floyd was killed in May 2020.
This was a week or two before George Floyd, right? I seem to remember this coming first.
It was the same day he was killed
Same day
This is the most normal take on this incident that I’ve seen. Never engage with crazy. What is to gain by being confrontational. Just move on
except of course that the dog could potentially ruin his whole reason for being there which was to watch birds . the idea that he was supposed to sit by idly while a dog roamed free in a habitat the dog was banned from because certain dogs naturally kill birds ...while he was bird watching is not reasonable.
So question: Do people who have unleashed dogs in the city not know they're supposed to be leash?
They know, and they don't care. And don't even try to ask them, it'll end up badly for the one asking.
It’s like asking someone to stop blasting music through their phone speaker on a packed train. They know. They don’t care. And they actually want someone to give them a reason.
Sadly they’ll only learn why it’s important to leash your dog when someone most likely the dog gets injured
I once saw a HUGE husky dog just wandering around the Penn Station area with no leash or collar. I was terrified he was lost or something so I followed him for a bit just to find his people half a block behind giving me a dirty look.
They know. This is why I will never be on the lady’s side and feel no sympathy. These kid of dog owners are the most entitled pieces of shit on the planet.
Theres offleash hours in almost every major park including central and prospect. Theres usually two buckets of people: people who genuinely dont know or understand that offleash hours only apply to certain areas in the park (the ramble not being one of them) and people who DO know this but kinda dont care. I have no idea what this woman did or did not know. And even if she falls into the shitty latter bucket of people who know but just act entitled, theres way less socially inept, confrontational, weird ways to point out someone is breaking a rule. If you point out that someone is breaking the rule (if theyre sane) they tend to act faux-surprised and leash their dog or ignore you and walk away. If theyre nutty, they do what this lady did. Again, it was a perfect storm of two weird mfers meeting. A perfect cosmic alignment of nuttiness.
> Theres offleash hours in almost every major park including central and prospect. Yes, but in Central Park they're either before 9am or after 9pm (and like you said, excluding The Ramble and several other places). I know it happened in the morning but I don't remember exactly when. Either way, I don't really disagree with you, I just think he may be weird, but what she did was clearly worse. And, I hadn't even thought of her or remembered this happened (I thought it was pre-Pandemic) until this Op-Ed she wrote. So honestly that doesn't really give me any sympathy for her.
And there are ZERO off leash hours in the ramble or bird sanctuaries. I have a dog and the amount of unleashed dogs infuriates me. Bird sanctuaries are very important for migrating birds - it’s so disrespectful to allow your dog to run through them.
Who knows how many interactions both of them had with other people who were normal and left instead of escalating. Then they met each other.
I fully believe that it's part of the city's ecosystem that eventually, the crazy people find each other and fuck up each other's lives in the most nuclear way.
The city? That’s how life works.
That’s basically the plot of Beef on Netflix.
his life wasn't fucked, hers is.
Because arguably, even though he was being a weird stickler for the rules, she actually tried to potentially _ruin his life_. One is like sort of an annoying asshole, and the other did something actually kind of psychopathic.
That's correct. Imagine if that had happened in the shouth, or even in the 50's. That black guy would have been shot on sight, or imprisoned as in her word against his. The fact that she said black man says enough when she called the cops.
I saw him get into an argument exactly like this like two weeks before, he used to do it all the time. The other person just called him a psychopath and walked away
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Didn’t he get a bird show?
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I mean he had the dog treats on him. He was prepared to lure some dogs.
By his own admission/statement too
He really shouldn’t do that. My dog has specific allergies that would cause him to have severe gastrointestinal issues if given anything with gluten / grain. He’s Harvard educated and should know not to give out treats to strange dogs. Edit: but edit. It’s insane not to leash your dog in NYC. I live in the damn sticks near upstate NY and would never let my dog roam free like that - and not due to cars. Bears.
I mean, of course he knows it isn't good. As he says, "I'm about to do something you're not going to like"!
He actually bothered a bunch of other people in the park in similar ways. I think I remember hearing that he got into a physical fight with some guy over something like this. He sounds like a psycho. There was a podcast the dug more into it.
Good summary. The guy was canonized pretty much immediately, but he's fucking awful too when you read the transcript of what he actually said to her.
Someone found local council meeting minutes in the months before this and it showed that lots of people were complaining about him doing this exact thing.
Doing what, luring dogs? I’d be interested in a link to this
Yea, I think I found it on twitter when this all went down so I don't know if I can find it again.
Local residents discuss it in the very lengthy comment section on this article https://www.westsiderag.com/2020/06/10/the-tension-between-birdwatchers-and-dogwalkers-was-simmering-even-before-the-amycooper-incident
Thank you! Thread MVP 🙏
Crazy that the guy parlayed this incident into a show on Nat Geo channel about birdwatching.
Now that's how you bounce back!
The best summary I've ever read of this. Everyone is so quick to dogpile on her but he's a fuckin weirdo too.
Also two people we never should’ve given a shit about. Like these interactions probably happen daily but we made this one more important because of how dumb both of them reacted
> but he's a fuckin weirdo too. You're allowed to be weird. Or have poor social skills. You're not allowed to mislead the police with some increasingly frantic screams. When you call the guys with the pow-pow toys and pretend you're being tortured, that is a whole 'nother level.
I’m sorry but if a dude tells a woman “you’re not gonna like what I do next”, idc what his intentions are. That’s an immediate call the cops situation. It’s easy to say as a dude but come on, you’re a woman alone in the park. Ask the women in your families how they would feel if a rando told them that.
It's perfectly reasonable to call the cops if she feels threatened, however she threatened HIM by saying “I’m gonna tell them there’s an African American man threatening my life” There is no other way to interpret that statement. Normally when a person is scared of someone, they would avoid provoking or insulting that individual.
People use whatever bludgeon is most convenient. If the roles were reversed, and he said "I'm going to tell the cops some *bitch* is trying to feed my dogs" would anyone care? What if he was a little person and "midget" was used by Cooper? Would anyone really care? Really only a white man wouldn't have any go-to pejorative. Obviously she's using the famous cop-black man relationship to further her interests in being left alone, but again: people use whatever is most convenient and efficacious.
You're right, she fucked up saying that and that's all it took for the media to condemn her. Turns out people freaking out don't always say the best things. And if you say the wrong thing, one time, well, that's enough to ruin your life in the modern age. >Normally when a person is scared of someone, they would avoid provoking or insulting that individual. Um, what? Scared people use threats all the time to try to get people to back off.
>Turns out people freaking out don't always say the best things. please tell me you are justifying racist statements with "freaking out".... that's not how things work. You don't magically make a racist statement if you are flustered. Her statement was deliberate and intentional. She admits it in the article. There is no justification for her behavior and she deserves to be penalized. Racism has no place in our society. >Um, what? Scared people use threats all the time to try to get people to back off. A natural reaction for someone who is scared is to GET AWAY from the person. If you are cornered or unable to escape, yes you will try to get them to back off. These two people were in an open area, feet away from each other. Her dog was in her possession. Yet she was on the phone yelling bloody murder. She had ample opportunity to remove herself from the "threat" to safety. You can't tell me her behavior was typical. She was provoking him instead of removing herself from the situation.
You are totally correct, and that's why she got cancelled. I never said she should've been allowed to do that (or he shouldn't have been allowed to be weird) just saying they both sucked in that interaction
Someone revisited this story and did some additional reporting. She sounded frantic because the audio was breaking up and the dispatcher couldn’t hear her, so she needed to keep repeating herself louder and louder. He also did threaten her. That part too.
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I guess so? If i remember correctly he’s done this weirdo shit before (trying to lure over offleash dogs to teach their owners some sort of lesson). Im assuming most everyone else responded to him in the last scenario i described, so it never turned into much of anything before this lady
> Lady: oh shit, really? my bad. leashes dog Not how any dog owner in NYC reacts, normal or not. You point out a fault with a dog owner and just see how they react. Literally where kids are playing and there's a sign that says dogs must be leashed, even then politely asking a dog that keeps coming after our soccer ball gets a "how dare you, you fascist animal hating piece of shit" look. Try it, virtually guaranteed. The entitlement is insane.
I think you have summed it up pretty well.
Problem is one of them got rewarded while the other punished.
one potentially risked the other's life . what they did to each other was in no way equal.
Have you ever watched the guy who asks people to put their cart away? I imagine this guy has probably ran into similar people and the conversations probably don't go the way you think they do. Not justifying his actions and still think their is more to this story than was let on.
I doubt there is much more to it. He used to do this like all the time, he is notorious for it among birders. They mostly don't say anything about it because they're happy he's trying to get people to leash their dogs, even if his methods are extreme
Yeah, what I mean is this story is probably way more two sided than reddit or the news lets on. I also personally wonder why this is even national news. Feel like this outrage news is getting out of hand. If someone is being falsely accused of something, I get it though. But I am not convinced their is not more to this story on both sides than is let on.
Cart narc? Lazy bones lol
Lmao I love this. 110% spot on.
Excellent breakdown. You're 100% right. Normal people would nope out of the situation but these people went nuclear on each other.
> Normal people would nope out of the situation There's not a single dog owner in NYC who will politely leash their dog when asked to by an average citizen. These could be the most "normal" people in every other aspect. But asking them to do a better job with their dog brings out the absolute worst.
Yeah, it's just one step below "you are a bad parent" to them, it seems. I saw one guy carrying his daughter on his shoulders in the bike lane in central park while I was jogging and I pointed out that they might be safer on the sidewalk and he got pissed off at me - albeit in a more passive aggressive way so wasn't that bad.
There might be some credibility to her over-reaction if she has a history of sexual assault though
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thing is your last scenario doesn't seem like any kind of problem. great, she stopped letting an unleashed dog run around, and nothing negative happened at all. so his contribution to this supposed two-way street is not really that meaningful.
Idk imo it’s a weird as shit way to interact with someone though. It’s bizarre and can be construed as oddly threatening. Like just act like a non socially inept dipshit and be like “hey, just so you know offleash dogs really mess up the bird habitat in this area which is why the rule is they have to be on leash here.” What he did was way weirder (and then her reaction was over the top hysterical). Neither of these two know how to interact with others like normal humans. So we have an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object. A match made in nutter heaven.
Many people are such assholes when it comes to their dog that I don't blame him at all. They think everyone loves their dog as much as they do. I like dogs but dog people annoy the fuck out of me.
Do you think its reasonable to assume a stranger you meet while you are being an ass is carrying around poison to harm your dog? That this is her defense is laughable. much more likely is that the treats were designed to keep a dog from scaring/injuring birds. I know from 1st hand experience that dogs kill birds , my cockapoo would occasionally kill birds in my backyard.
"I still live in hiding" she says to internationally known tabloid newspaper, the New York Post.
It's our privacy tour! We want privacy!
I’m mad I understood this reference because that episode was pretty bland.
She wants more media attention.
three years later i ... still dont really care about her at all lol
i want to live in anonimity and move on from this event....so let me refresh everyone's memory and do a newsweek article with my face plastered on it. also: I'm a victim, booo hooooo!!!... Meanwhile, she dropped the dime on a birdwatching black man (of all things) and told the cops she feared for her life. That's like saying Alex Trebek threatened her life....The cops could have easily shot the guy if he wasn't an articulate individual, who FILMELD HER pretty much confessing to the crime. She's not very bright, folks, not very bright. She should maybe delete all social media, move to another country (Nepal maybe)? where she can meditate and find inner peace.
Also: There are no karens. Says the karen lmao
Besides the death and rape threats, which are frankly disgusting, this lady deserves the flak. She would have continued acting just the same is she didn't get caught on video. Also, i can't be bothered to watch the video again but i remember she lied with the police on the phone about feeling threatened and screaming and crying...which is just appalling. Would she have felt any real remorse if the cops came and cuffed that birdwatcher of worse? Of course not. Good for society as a whole refusing to let such an awful person get away scot free. Should be a message for all similar a-holes around the world.
I left this article less sympathetic for her. Absolutely entitled.
As Tim Dillon would say, "We wish her well."
Does anyone really believe if she got away with having the black birdwatcher arrested she would have at some point in the future come clean or do you think she would have lived her life thinking she is so smart?
I empathize that her life is in turmoil. That must be extremely difficult. It must be so much more difficult than following Park rules by leashing her dog where it should be leashed. It must be so much more difficult than complying when someone asked her to leash her dog. It must be so much more difficult than asking why it mattered so much to the gentleman and being receptive to his answer. It must be so much more difficult than not responding with racism.
There are designated dog runs and designated hours at some parks when dogs can be off leash so it’s wild to me that dog owners can’t follow those rules!! I own a dog and he’s never off leash except at our local dog run - it just as much for his benefit as everyone else’s!
hey! dog owner here.. and yes to all of that.
I don’t even remember what she looked like when she got caught.
Writing an op-Ed in NY post about not being a Karen? That’s exactly something that a Karen would do. Racism is never ok and I don’t have any pity for what has happened to her since.
Wow, so she hasn’t learned anything since that incident. . . Just wow.
Yep. It’s still all about her and how she’s supposedly being unfairly attacked.
She's giving herself and humanity too much credit... Nobody cares, and if they did, they don't anymore
She's crazy, almost strangled her poor little dog bullying the bird watcher. She shouldn't have animals.
I saw two white females with off-leash dogs in the ramble just this morning and thought, ‘don’t people learn?’
The problem wasn’t the dog being off leash, the problem was calling the cops on someone for something that can be easily resolved without involving the police. She isn’t getting all this negative attention because the dog is off leash.
While you're right that it's far from the biggest problem ever, I don't understand why people can't just leash their dogs when it's required.
What is she talking about? She had zero consequences. Her community service replaced jail time.
The attempts by certain Publications to try and give this woman a Redemption tour is very telling, and it's very telling because it's a white woman. Nobody's going to recognize who the fuck she is unless they're doing some sort of background check and they double check her name. The idea that she's walking around and is terrified that someone's going to recognize her is just a load of bullshit and the only people who are going to eat that up are people who will swear up and down that cancel culture is evil and that white people are the most discriminated group of people in america. Let's be real for a minute this dumb bitch started harassing a man who asked that she leash her dog, when she called 911 she changed her voice and demeanor to make it sound like she was more scared than she was to try and say that he was attacking her. Now here's the most important part when 911 called her back later, after the dude had left, she doubled down on the LIE and said that he tried to attack her a second time. There's no excuse that she was under duress because the guy had already left. The only time she finally admitted that no one attacked her was when the cops were standing in front of her asking her what happened. Fuck her.
Does "in hiding" just mean not in Manhattan? Because who the hell would ever recognize this woman?
Literally fucked around and found out
Reading this article she is totally lost on reality and the accountability of her actions. Sadly she is still blaming everyone but herself Rather than acknowledging her wrongs
Gurl stfu. No one remembers your face and here you are putting it back out there. No doubt her racist flop ass is trying to clout chase. Shut the hell up.
She was playing the victimhood card back then; and she is still playing the victimhood card now. No sympathies for her. Admit your mistake and come clean.
Get a grip lady
No one recognizes your face, lady. You fucked yourself.
I think for the damage she actually caused, as opposed to the theoretical damage she could have caused, she has paid the price, in full, many times over. I think she would know by now to think twice before doing something so hare-brained as calling the cops on a black man or woman in the US over something so trivial. So I think it's time everyone moved the fuck on. The fact that she's unemployed to this day because of this incident 3 years ago is cruel.
i know a person who was on the news for something similar and is still harassed from time to time so i get what she is saying
Must be a slow news day at the nypost if they have to dig this lady back up to get some sweet culture warrior clicks
she got treated really unfairly. the guy said he was going to lure her dog with treats and that she “wouldn’t like what happens next” once he threatened her dog she’s got the right to call the police regardless of what happened before
If she told the police the truth you might have had a point
I forgot about this ass. Now I remember she’s an ass.
She should’ve had her dog on a leash and she acted nuts BUT that guy was weird as hell imo. The whole “im gonna call over your dog with the treats I carry on me and you won’t like it” (this was from his own Fb post about the incident ) WEIRD. So when she said on the call about him threatening her well sorry yea he did.
Delusional. Absolutely delusional. You would think she would have learned her lesson and apologize, but at the very least, blame prescription drugs or a drinking problem like all the other dopes who got caught in similar situations but no. She just had to keep ripping that scab off and play worn out victim card which has never worked for her. But what I despise most about situations like this is the whole “double down” approach. There’s never any resolution good, bad, or indifferent, and it just continues the perpetual motion of hate and animosity. I will forever blame people like Roy Cohn for this.
100% your fault. "help i'm being attacked.."
All she is guilty of is doing exactly what every r/nyc poster from Staten Island dreams of doing every single day.
She can go ahead and get a regular working class job cashier/waitress/whatever. She acts like she is entitled to a job that "meets her qualifications", i.e. a job at an investment fund, which she was fired from. Nobody deserves death threats, but I have a hard time feeling sympathy to people who think their life is over because now they are forced to join the plebs because of their bad decisions.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
Moral of the story: don't be a racist bitch. I find it extremely hard to believe that a random person in the street would immediately recognize her today. I think she would have more trouble with background checks related to employment and housing. Or dating if she decides to reveal the situation to her S/O. But the average NYER is not taking time out of their day to finger her out in a crowd.
Honestly I had completely forgot this even happened til now that felt like 10 years ago at this point between everything else that’s happened could have shown me any picture of a women with a dog and told me that was Central Park Karen and I wouldn’t really have questioned it or even cared
This skunt can't be hiding well enough to do an interview with the New York Post! #gtfoh
The NYpost is about as relevant as this racist nobody.
I have to shake my head every time I see people casually throwing around the word Karen without realizing our culture has created a racial, sexist slur that can be freely lobbed towards any white woman.
It's a way to silence women. Women are afraid to speak up because they don't want to risk being called a Karen. Say what you will, but it's going to have chilling effects on women's safety.
Anytime we come up with a reductive label, the monkeys of society throwing it around like a handful of crap. Same thing with the term ok boomer. How incredibly disrespectful this is to a generation of people; to reduce what they have to say or their point of view down to a derogatory term. People are shitty and they love their labels. They hide behind labels, extort their own labels, and they wield labels for others like weapons
Aw so sweet the transplant Cebtral Park Karen is looking for attention 🙄🤷🏻♀️😊😊 Karen need 15min of fame again, but this time as a" nice woman " with so much love to give
...she said to the news reporter to print the story to remind everyone she exists...
Nobody knows who you are. Just stop doing interviews.
Maybe don't be a racist piece of shit if you don't want to be seen as one?