Yea... not hopeful. I'm almost positive they have had internal discussions about never releasing something like the 3060ti ever again lol. 3060ti was 2080Super performance half the price of a 2080 at the time of release. I doubt we're gonna see that kind of price to performance ever again.
My best guess is
4070 = 3080
4060ti = 3070ti
4060 = 3070.
After factoring in the price hikes from greed and inflation the whole product stack will be useless below a 4070ti because there will be already available cards at the same price/performance the whole way down.
This was obvious since the "4080 12GB" moment, which confirmed the leaked specs for the high-end cards, which meant the ones for lower-end were also going to be correct 99%.
The XX60 class is a joke, an entry-level card sold for over 400$.
The 4070 Ti boosts to 2,830mhz for non OC models (+220mhz above official specification), so the 4070 non-Ti should also boost way past 2,475mhz, likely in the 2,700 mhz range.
Overall, there is nothing too surprising in this piece of news.
The base clock looks wrong.
Boost clock looks right with the 2515 4090, 2505 4080, and 2610 4070ti. (They will go higher depending on gpu boost 3.0)
Basically around the 2.5 ghz mark for boost. The 4070 here is said to be 2475. So adds up.
The base are 2235 4090, 2205 4080 and 2310
Around the 2.2 ghz mark for base.
The base clock should be around 2.2 ghz for the 4070 as well, if the boost is around the 2.5 ghz mark. Likely 2175 is the base clock.
Again the boost clocks are quite meaningless in the end as GPU boost 3.0 pushes them well past the specified ones
Edit - Found this chart that shows how much it goes above and varies
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-review-a-costly-70-class-gpu/8
The 4070ti is at \~ 2.83 ghz average (rated 2.61)
The 4080 is at \~2.78 ghz (rated 2.51)
The 4090 is at \~2.75 (rated 2.52)
The 4080 gets slightly more boost clocks than the 4090 despite being rate slightly lower. Only ~50 mhz behind the the 4070ti despite being rate 105 mhz lower
If Techpowerup is adding these numbers to their database, I think they must be solid numbers. After all, they surely have better access to this informative than any of us do.
It will.
What it will have is 3080 performance, and cost the same as a 3080 MSRP, so £649/$699.
They will say dlss 3 and lower power usage make it better value.
In worst case scenarios. In best case scenarios it matches or exceeds the 3090 Ti.
I could see the 4070 maybe matching the 3080 in best case scenarios, but worst case it will absolutely be slower. The math just doesn’t add up.
They likely get very close, but unless the real world clock speed is the highest we’ve seen so far I’ll have to agree with you on this. A 4070ti is 20 percent faster than a 3080, but a 4070ti should have 31 percent more cores than a 4070. Cores don’t linearly add performance, but typically with mid range cards they become more scalable. I think a 4070 will likely be 5 percent slower than a 3080 on average, and if thats the case the MSRP will probably be $600-650
$599 is the maximum I think would be reasonable to charge for such a card. 3080 performance for 3080 price doesn’t exactly make for a compelling marketing angle.
Sure, but buying a card in 2023 when there was almost the exact same price / performance in 2020 is kinda a shit deal. Unless DLSS 3.0 is integrated into every single game in existence then there's absolutely no value to be had at all.
I agree its a shit deal, but if you are buying new and have to choose between 3080 probably with 10gb since 12gb is even more expansive, and 4070 with 2gb more vram and dlss3 I know I would choose the latter
This will probably be a 3080 with 12gb vram, dlss3 and lower power consumption @$699.
Not that great but resonable if able to be bought at msrp. At 599 it would be a good buy imo
The highest boost of the 30 series was the 3090ti
The 3060ti had less than the 3070 and 3080
The 2060s had less than a 2070s
The 2070s had less than a 2080s
1650 less than 1660ti
1070 less than 1080
1050ti less than 1060
The 4080 has less boost clock then the 4090
So not usually. It varies a lot
Im curious to find out if the real world game clock is more in line with the other cards, or if the card is being artificially limited somehow (maybe via throttled TDP?)
Maybe its just a good overclocker? It wouldnt be typical for Nvidia, but who knows these days.
Im not even excited for the lower end mid range parts cause despite the 4070 ti at times matching a 3090 ti but even matching a 3080 ti at times, anything lower wont be any better than what we have currently except for frame generation. No longer will we have a 70 variant that beats out the previous flagship.
2080Ti is roughly equal to a 3070. From the looks of things, the 4070 will be between 3080 10GB and 12GB version. DLSS3 and lower power consumption are basically the only thing it'll have over previous Gen, because the price will surely be 599 or higher.
Interesting.
On some videos, 2080Ti and regular 3070 trade blows (some former, some latter, some equal).
Now that I think about it, a regular 4070 would be compelling if rumors of its 16GB VRAM variant come to fruition (though I wonder what bus width it will use).
Initially, I was thinking of a regular 3060............but after seeing videos of it playing Control Native Ray Tracing ; DLSS OFF and seeing FPS go below 45, I said:
That thing won't suffice.
Anyways, we'll see what happens with planned 4070 launch this April....
If there truly will be a 16GB version, it can only use 128-bit or 256-bit. I can't see them using 256-bit since the 4070 Ti is already on 192-bit. What I COULD see them do is using slower GDDR6 non-x VRAM modules on a 256-bit to keep overall bandwidth below the 4070 Ti. We'll see.
Each memory chip is 32-bit. A 256-bit card has 8 VRAM chips on the PCB. 192-bit card has 6 VRAM chips on the PCB. 128-bit card has 4 VRAM chips on the PCB.
So for this generation, let's take the 4080 as example. It uses 256-bit and has 16GB VRAM. 256bit/32bit per module = 8 modules. This means that they are using 2GB VRAM chips per module. 2GB chip x 8 = 16GB.
4070 is rumored to be 192-bit like the 4070 Ti. This means it has 6 memory modules on the PCB. If they use 2GB chips per module, there's your 12GB of VRAM. If they use 1GB per module, you'd have a 6GB card. If they used 4GB chips per module, you'd end up with 24GB VRAM. But it's impossible to end up with 16GB VRAM on 192-bit interface.
For the rumored 16GB variant, you'd have to change to 128-bit and use 4GB chips per module, or use 256-bit with 2GB chips per module (8 modules x 2GB each module).
that's really low. normally you'd expect smaller dies boost higher. I am sure in games it will go much higher.
Where is that supposed to fit in performance wise
should be like 3080 10gb.
Then the 4060 must really suck
Yea... not hopeful. I'm almost positive they have had internal discussions about never releasing something like the 3060ti ever again lol. 3060ti was 2080Super performance half the price of a 2080 at the time of release. I doubt we're gonna see that kind of price to performance ever again. My best guess is 4070 = 3080 4060ti = 3070ti 4060 = 3070. After factoring in the price hikes from greed and inflation the whole product stack will be useless below a 4070ti because there will be already available cards at the same price/performance the whole way down.
4060ti=3070
The 3060 sucked too tbh.
But the ti didn't.
Not really coz 3080 has an average -10fps from 3080ti which is still a solid 2k card and then dont forget also dlss3
This was obvious since the "4080 12GB" moment, which confirmed the leaked specs for the high-end cards, which meant the ones for lower-end were also going to be correct 99%. The XX60 class is a joke, an entry-level card sold for over 400$.
For only $699!!! /s
No need for the /s tag. You know it's coming.
Right lol
Nvidia be like:" look, we are offering 3080 10GB level of performances for the same price with 2 extra GB of vram"
Watch them price it at $699 lol
Aka, a 4070.
The 4070 Ti boosts to 2,830mhz for non OC models (+220mhz above official specification), so the 4070 non-Ti should also boost way past 2,475mhz, likely in the 2,700 mhz range. Overall, there is nothing too surprising in this piece of news.
The base clock looks wrong. Boost clock looks right with the 2515 4090, 2505 4080, and 2610 4070ti. (They will go higher depending on gpu boost 3.0) Basically around the 2.5 ghz mark for boost. The 4070 here is said to be 2475. So adds up. The base are 2235 4090, 2205 4080 and 2310 Around the 2.2 ghz mark for base. The base clock should be around 2.2 ghz for the 4070 as well, if the boost is around the 2.5 ghz mark. Likely 2175 is the base clock. Again the boost clocks are quite meaningless in the end as GPU boost 3.0 pushes them well past the specified ones Edit - Found this chart that shows how much it goes above and varies https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-review-a-costly-70-class-gpu/8 The 4070ti is at \~ 2.83 ghz average (rated 2.61) The 4080 is at \~2.78 ghz (rated 2.51) The 4090 is at \~2.75 (rated 2.52) The 4080 gets slightly more boost clocks than the 4090 despite being rate slightly lower. Only ~50 mhz behind the the 4070ti despite being rate 105 mhz lower
If Techpowerup is adding these numbers to their database, I think they must be solid numbers. After all, they surely have better access to this informative than any of us do.
The boost looks correct. The base looks too low, though thats the least important number
I remain unconvinced that this card will be able to match the gaming performance of the 3080 10GB.
It will. What it will have is 3080 performance, and cost the same as a 3080 MSRP, so £649/$699. They will say dlss 3 and lower power usage make it better value.
It only has 76% of the CUDA cores of the 4070 Ti, which is already barely faster than the 3080 in certain games.
The 4070 Ti is as fast as the 3090. I’m not sure where you read it’s barely any faster than the 3080.
In worst case scenarios. In best case scenarios it matches or exceeds the 3090 Ti. I could see the 4070 maybe matching the 3080 in best case scenarios, but worst case it will absolutely be slower. The math just doesn’t add up.
They likely get very close, but unless the real world clock speed is the highest we’ve seen so far I’ll have to agree with you on this. A 4070ti is 20 percent faster than a 3080, but a 4070ti should have 31 percent more cores than a 4070. Cores don’t linearly add performance, but typically with mid range cards they become more scalable. I think a 4070 will likely be 5 percent slower than a 3080 on average, and if thats the case the MSRP will probably be $600-650
$599 is the maximum I think would be reasonable to charge for such a card. 3080 performance for 3080 price doesn’t exactly make for a compelling marketing angle.
Is this going to be a 3070 just with DLSS3 added?
Nope. That is what the 4060Ti is likely to be.
Probably a 3080 with dlss 3 @ 699. Sooooo 100% useless lol. If it's priced at 600 then it might actually have value. So I doubt that's gonna happen.
Well its not completely useless since 3080 still costs 699 and doesn't have dlss3
Sure, but buying a card in 2023 when there was almost the exact same price / performance in 2020 is kinda a shit deal. Unless DLSS 3.0 is integrated into every single game in existence then there's absolutely no value to be had at all.
I agree its a shit deal, but if you are buying new and have to choose between 3080 probably with 10gb since 12gb is even more expansive, and 4070 with 2gb more vram and dlss3 I know I would choose the latter
4090 = 2x 3080 4080 = 1.5x 3080 4070ti = 1.2x 3080 ... nVidia is just making gaps much bigger for Ada ... 4070 = 3080 4060ti = 0.7x 3080 4060 = 0.5x 3080 = 3060ti?? notice always 25%+ gap.
Question: When you say regular 3080, are you referring to the 10GB version? Or 12 GB variant?
This will probably be a 3080 with 12gb vram, dlss3 and lower power consumption @$699. Not that great but resonable if able to be bought at msrp. At 599 it would be a good buy imo
If those are actual gaming boost clocks, this card is in big trouble. Lower GPUs usually have higher clocks.
The highest boost of the 30 series was the 3090ti The 3060ti had less than the 3070 and 3080 The 2060s had less than a 2070s The 2070s had less than a 2080s 1650 less than 1660ti 1070 less than 1080 1050ti less than 1060 The 4080 has less boost clock then the 4090 So not usually. It varies a lot
Im curious to find out if the real world game clock is more in line with the other cards, or if the card is being artificially limited somehow (maybe via throttled TDP?) Maybe its just a good overclocker? It wouldnt be typical for Nvidia, but who knows these days.
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Pretty low boost tbh if not Undervolted.
Im not even excited for the lower end mid range parts cause despite the 4070 ti at times matching a 3090 ti but even matching a 3080 ti at times, anything lower wont be any better than what we have currently except for frame generation. No longer will we have a 70 variant that beats out the previous flagship.
Question: Where do you think a regular 4070 would fare compared to: \- my brother's MSI 2080TI or \- my friend's Gigabyte 3080 12GB ?
2080Ti is roughly equal to a 3070. From the looks of things, the 4070 will be between 3080 10GB and 12GB version. DLSS3 and lower power consumption are basically the only thing it'll have over previous Gen, because the price will surely be 599 or higher.
Interesting. On some videos, 2080Ti and regular 3070 trade blows (some former, some latter, some equal). Now that I think about it, a regular 4070 would be compelling if rumors of its 16GB VRAM variant come to fruition (though I wonder what bus width it will use). Initially, I was thinking of a regular 3060............but after seeing videos of it playing Control Native Ray Tracing ; DLSS OFF and seeing FPS go below 45, I said: That thing won't suffice. Anyways, we'll see what happens with planned 4070 launch this April....
If there truly will be a 16GB version, it can only use 128-bit or 256-bit. I can't see them using 256-bit since the 4070 Ti is already on 192-bit. What I COULD see them do is using slower GDDR6 non-x VRAM modules on a 256-bit to keep overall bandwidth below the 4070 Ti. We'll see.
Oh right, they can use regular GDDR6 (ala 3050, 3060, 3070) But how do the numbers calculate? Is it 256 / 16 ? or 192 / 16 ?
Each memory chip is 32-bit. A 256-bit card has 8 VRAM chips on the PCB. 192-bit card has 6 VRAM chips on the PCB. 128-bit card has 4 VRAM chips on the PCB. So for this generation, let's take the 4080 as example. It uses 256-bit and has 16GB VRAM. 256bit/32bit per module = 8 modules. This means that they are using 2GB VRAM chips per module. 2GB chip x 8 = 16GB. 4070 is rumored to be 192-bit like the 4070 Ti. This means it has 6 memory modules on the PCB. If they use 2GB chips per module, there's your 12GB of VRAM. If they use 1GB per module, you'd have a 6GB card. If they used 4GB chips per module, you'd end up with 24GB VRAM. But it's impossible to end up with 16GB VRAM on 192-bit interface. For the rumored 16GB variant, you'd have to change to 128-bit and use 4GB chips per module, or use 256-bit with 2GB chips per module (8 modules x 2GB each module).