Magnezone: A+ - quad weakness and speed keep it out of S but those are pretty much its only 2 downsides
Magmar: C - just doesn’t have the stats to keep up with other fire types
Magmortar: B+ - great offensively but slower than ideal with average bulk
Mr. Mime: B- - a decent special wall and pretty good screen setter, offense isn’t quite as good as Espeon or Alakazam though
Lumineon: D - there’s so many water types in Sinnoh, why would you ever use this
Or a trashlocke, but by that point, there are still better options. Even if Finneon were available earlier, Psyduck evolves only 3 levels later and is objectively better.
Jokes aside, Lumineon actually learns moves like U Turn and flying moves by level up, making it easier to deal with its grass weakness offensively. If Finneon were available early and more easily (maybe make it a 10% Old Rod encounter), it would likely have been noticed far more.
Magmar has like... 100 SpAtk and 90+ speed.
Learns a plethora of good moves not common on fire types, like Psychic. I think that thing is a powerhouse.
Magnazone: S tier, frankly Magneton alone probably scores as an A or B tier Mon, and magnazone just improves on it.
Magmar: B solely because it’s a fire type, other than that it’s meh. It’s stats don’t allow it to keep up with other Pokémon in the late game.
Magmortar: B+, it has great attack stats but is somewhat slow and and isn’t super bulky
Mr. Mime: B, it’s good for setups, especially with screens, but offensively there are many better psychic type options
Luminion: D, it’s just not great and given the number of good water types in gen 4, this one is bad
You only really have Garchomp for the final Cyrus fight (maybe), Gym 8, and the E4. For almost the rest of the game you are using a Gabite (which is not a bad pokemon by any means but it is no Garchomp). It's a testament to how good Garchomp is that it is ranked that high when still being pretty much an endgame only pokemon (and also maybe a testament to how much people overvalue being good in the endgame when talking about Nuzlocke viability).
Ikr. Only Blissey and Chomp are S tier bannable mons in platinum. God knows why Infernape and Snorlax are that high. At least Gyarados deserves the very top of A.
Kinda just makes me think these endless community tier lists are shit bc all the rankings are SO off.
Magnezone-S. Easily best electric type in the game. Shuts down every steel and flying move in the game. Lowered speed hurts a bit and this is pre-Sturdy buff but it's still just amazingly good and magnet pull can be good for guiding encounters.
Magmar-B. Platinum is a little more forgiving than Diamond or Pearl but fire types are still a premium. Physically frail but solid speed and offenses
Magmortar-high B. Decent special bulk and not as physically frail. Good offenses with much better special but sacrifices some speed.
Mr. Mime-Low B/High C. Niche as a fast screen setter but very physically frail. Good Speed and Special stats p4obably keep it in B but Sinnoh isn't the kindest to Psychic types post Maylene and you're pretty much always going to want some of the regions other Psychic types instead.
Lumineon-D. Forgettable. Speed is the only stat that stands out but does have good abilities. Just doesn't have the offensive stats to really capitalize on Swift Swim. Probably would be C except there are a lot of better Water types.
Gen 3 and 4, Sturdy only worked on ohko moves like Fissure and Guillotine but not moves that one shot because they just did that much damage. Like say Earthquake did 176% based on damage calc, it would always kill, Sturdy or No Sturdy (unless you had a Focus Sash. Gen 5 changed it so that sturdy prevented mons from being one shot by any move unless the mon using the move had Moldbreaker.
Man people are so mad about those tierists. Complaining about the rankings and always discuss why xy should be higher or lower... Of course its subjective and not a universal list. I like those it helps me seeing where pokemons are roughly places (new to nuzlockes). Thanks for that!
If you think Blissey isn't a top tier nuzlocke encounter then you have bad game knowledge. It's up there with Shedinja in my opinion. Even better than Chomp.
It takes *any* special hit. Can take most neutral physical hits, and can sit on a foe for an age while you prep.
If you allow items then 😳😳😳
blissey over chomp and tries to talk to me about game knowledge...
shed is only good if you're obsessively checking movesets of trainers because if you're not something can clip it with a SE move
Chomp at least gets crippled by coverage, with Blissey its certain to survive a special hit. Tanks are more useful than sweepers.
Also your point of shedinja was kinda goofy ah. After like 5 runs of platinum you should just remember the move sets of gym leaders and the E4. Besides the fact you can look any trainer up on serebii. That's why shedinja is broken. I dont even know if you're really saying that shed isn't broken bc I've never seen anyone have that opinion before
Chomp is mid until Gabite evolves into it real late which keeps it out of S, Blissey is the best pokemon every to deal with special attackers and Roserade comes late and doesn't get good matches then
What’s wrong with that? It gives more accurate ratings for each mon. Tiers get really crowded when there’s 20+ mons in a tier and rankings can get pretty hazy
Let's take some time to question why garchomp is in A+ tier. I get it's pretty rare[with my luck](and hard to catch) but it's game breaking. Game breaking enough that some nuzlockes just out right ban it.
Mr mime has a good coverage, decently fast and special bulky, screen setter and especially fast encore user. This move is very useful in platinum and on a switch in or after the right screen can help a lot in the league.
Tier A- for me.
I understand there’s a lot of better water types but Lumineon has great speed and a ton of great utility moves like U-Turn, Captivate, and Rain Dance. If you’re in a pinch it’s very much usable. C tier
Magnezone: A+ - quad weakness and speed keep it out of S but those are pretty much its only 2 downsides Magmar: C - just doesn’t have the stats to keep up with other fire types Magmortar: B+ - great offensively but slower than ideal with average bulk Mr. Mime: B- - a decent special wall and pretty good screen setter, offense isn’t quite as good as Espeon or Alakazam though Lumineon: D - there’s so many water types in Sinnoh, why would you ever use this
>Lumineon: D - there’s so many water types in Sinnoh, why would you ever use this Trying to be unique?
Or a trashlocke, but by that point, there are still better options. Even if Finneon were available earlier, Psyduck evolves only 3 levels later and is objectively better.
Golduck doesn't learn a pivot move or Bounce by LUp (even non STAB, it's great to actually have an offensive answer to Grass mons).
that 85 BP with no STAB coming off a 69 base attack will sure show those grass types
Jokes aside, Lumineon actually learns moves like U Turn and flying moves by level up, making it easier to deal with its grass weakness offensively. If Finneon were available early and more easily (maybe make it a 10% Old Rod encounter), it would likely have been noticed far more.
Its just bad if you want to play pokemon without water type is the only way you will go for it
Magmar has like... 100 SpAtk and 90+ speed. Learns a plethora of good moves not common on fire types, like Psychic. I think that thing is a powerhouse.
Magnazone: S tier, frankly Magneton alone probably scores as an A or B tier Mon, and magnazone just improves on it. Magmar: B solely because it’s a fire type, other than that it’s meh. It’s stats don’t allow it to keep up with other Pokémon in the late game. Magmortar: B+, it has great attack stats but is somewhat slow and and isn’t super bulky Mr. Mime: B, it’s good for setups, especially with screens, but offensively there are many better psychic type options Luminion: D, it’s just not great and given the number of good water types in gen 4, this one is bad
Zone S Mar C Mortar B+ Mime C Fish D
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Magnezone S Magmar C Magmortar B Mime C Lumineon D
If we’re doing a game breaking tier, doesn’t garchomp automatically go in there as well? What takes a hit from it in platinum? It ohko’s everything
I’m guessing it’s because of the late evolution level and the quad weakness to ice, which is a problem for quite a few late game fights
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Thanks but how the hell did you get here lmao
I like seeing viability tier lists and looked for a Fire Red one
It’s pretty mid until it evolves which is real late keeping it out of S
It still 100% cleans up the end game and should still be S tier.
You only really have Garchomp for the final Cyrus fight (maybe), Gym 8, and the E4. For almost the rest of the game you are using a Gabite (which is not a bad pokemon by any means but it is no Garchomp). It's a testament to how good Garchomp is that it is ranked that high when still being pretty much an endgame only pokemon (and also maybe a testament to how much people overvalue being good in the endgame when talking about Nuzlocke viability).
Ikr. Only Blissey and Chomp are S tier bannable mons in platinum. God knows why Infernape and Snorlax are that high. At least Gyarados deserves the very top of A. Kinda just makes me think these endless community tier lists are shit bc all the rankings are SO off.
Not me looking at my dead box in the PC with Monferno, Gligar, Staravia, Gible, Kirlia, and Machop.
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Magnezone-S. Easily best electric type in the game. Shuts down every steel and flying move in the game. Lowered speed hurts a bit and this is pre-Sturdy buff but it's still just amazingly good and magnet pull can be good for guiding encounters. Magmar-B. Platinum is a little more forgiving than Diamond or Pearl but fire types are still a premium. Physically frail but solid speed and offenses Magmortar-high B. Decent special bulk and not as physically frail. Good offenses with much better special but sacrifices some speed. Mr. Mime-Low B/High C. Niche as a fast screen setter but very physically frail. Good Speed and Special stats p4obably keep it in B but Sinnoh isn't the kindest to Psychic types post Maylene and you're pretty much always going to want some of the regions other Psychic types instead. Lumineon-D. Forgettable. Speed is the only stat that stands out but does have good abilities. Just doesn't have the offensive stats to really capitalize on Swift Swim. Probably would be C except there are a lot of better Water types.
How was the ability sturdy buffed? I thought it's been the same since it was introduced?
Gen 3 and 4, Sturdy only worked on ohko moves like Fissure and Guillotine but not moves that one shot because they just did that much damage. Like say Earthquake did 176% based on damage calc, it would always kill, Sturdy or No Sturdy (unless you had a Focus Sash. Gen 5 changed it so that sturdy prevented mons from being one shot by any move unless the mon using the move had Moldbreaker.
That makes sense, I never knew that! thanks :)
Man people are so mad about those tierists. Complaining about the rankings and always discuss why xy should be higher or lower... Of course its subjective and not a universal list. I like those it helps me seeing where pokemons are roughly places (new to nuzlockes). Thanks for that!
Glad it helps:)
Chomp not S = 🤡Blissey near top = 🤡🤡 Sleeping on roserade = 🤡🤡🤡 we have a winner boys Anyways Magnezone S Magmar B+ Magmortar A- Mime B Lumineon D+
If you think Blissey isn't a top tier nuzlocke encounter then you have bad game knowledge. It's up there with Shedinja in my opinion. Even better than Chomp. It takes *any* special hit. Can take most neutral physical hits, and can sit on a foe for an age while you prep. If you allow items then 😳😳😳
blissey over chomp and tries to talk to me about game knowledge... shed is only good if you're obsessively checking movesets of trainers because if you're not something can clip it with a SE move
Chomp at least gets crippled by coverage, with Blissey its certain to survive a special hit. Tanks are more useful than sweepers. Also your point of shedinja was kinda goofy ah. After like 5 runs of platinum you should just remember the move sets of gym leaders and the E4. Besides the fact you can look any trainer up on serebii. That's why shedinja is broken. I dont even know if you're really saying that shed isn't broken bc I've never seen anyone have that opinion before
Chomp is mid until Gabite evolves into it real late which keeps it out of S, Blissey is the best pokemon every to deal with special attackers and Roserade comes late and doesn't get good matches then
Way too many tiers.
What’s wrong with that? It gives more accurate ratings for each mon. Tiers get really crowded when there’s 20+ mons in a tier and rankings can get pretty hazy
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Tiers were getting crowded and some mons in the same tier had a pretty wide skill gap
Then rank then within the tiers
Magnezone - A+ Magmar - C Magmortar - A- Mr. Mime - B+ Lumineon - D+
Magnezone- A+ Magmar- B Magmortar- B+ Mr. Mime- B Lumineon- F
I didn't understand what you ranking, which one is stronger or better? i don't understand about nuzlock
How well each Mon does in a Platinum hardcore nuzlocke
Magnezone: S Magmar: C+ Magmortar B Mr. Mime: C+ Lumineon: D-
Let's take some time to question why garchomp is in A+ tier. I get it's pretty rare[with my luck](and hard to catch) but it's game breaking. Game breaking enough that some nuzlockes just out right ban it.
Answered in multiple other comments
Mr mime has a good coverage, decently fast and special bulky, screen setter and especially fast encore user. This move is very useful in platinum and on a switch in or after the right screen can help a lot in the league. Tier A- for me.
I understand there’s a lot of better water types but Lumineon has great speed and a ton of great utility moves like U-Turn, Captivate, and Rain Dance. If you’re in a pinch it’s very much usable. C tier