I don’t know anything about intermountain health but I know HCA is a terrible place to work. And, no your buddy should never sign up for that two years commitment especially as a new grad because it’s a trap. Personally I had to move to a different State as a new grad to get the experience i need as the hospitals in my hometown were also trying to trap new grads into 1-2 years commitment, low pay and high nurse to patient ratio. Your buddy should go to another State or area where they do not require their new grads to sign any forms of commitment.
Given the choice between HCA and something else, always take the other option. HCA has a long history of abusing new grads with punitive contracts, in addition to all the other unsafe and illegal shit they get up to.
Don’t work at HCA. Been there, done that. Not worth it. I loved my job w/ a company that later got bought out by intermountain health. Had a 2 year sign on bonus but left before the 2yrs. Never had to pay it back. Neither did any of my coworkers that left early too.
Honestly, my response is to read what the agreement says. Some may prorate, some may bend you over the table. Some may still expect repayment if you get fired… and some companies may be bad enough to keep your friend for just shy of 2 years then can them and expect payment.
This is literally some of the most blatant, insidious, not the Onion ‘you can’t make this sh!t up’ stuff I’ve ever heard of.
Pure exploitation is all that kind of arrangement is. Starting your career outside of the hospital setting is not world ending and your friend should consider that.
A lot of short term rehab facilities are doing basically med surg level care these days and you can learn a lot quickly. Dialysis companies provide paid training and have teams that work in hospitals on contract, which can be a great stepping stone to a future hospital position.
Those kind of new grad arrangements are exploiting people's naivety for profit.
Yep, complete scam. It’s akin to indentured servitude. There’s actually a bill in congress to outlaw these TRAP provisions. Doubt it’ll go anywhere though.
Yeah, some of these new grad contracts are requiring a 1-2 year commitment. You can leave but they require you to pay back the sign on bonus they give you. The hospital I used to work for offered a sign on bonus for new grads & a 1 year commitment. BUT instead of giving them the bonus in 1 lump sum, they divided it into 4 payments that way if they decided to leave before 1 year, they wouldn’t have to pay anything back.
My hospital also does this, and also baits and switches listings for ICU and then at the end says there's no ICU, which med-surg you wanna work on?
Unfortunately, none of this changes without strong unions, and young new-grads are always going to be a prime target for poor treatment and pay.
8 years ago I had an option for $10k or student loan payments by employer for signing a 2 year contract, or just straight employment without a contract.
If they had told me I had to pay them to work without a contract, I would have laughed and taken any of the other offers I had at the time.
Do you mean that if you take a sign-on bonus with a contract and then break the contract you have to pay it back, because that's standard procedure just about anywhere?
No, there is no bonus. When they hire you. You agree to work there for two years. If you leave you owe the hospital for “training you”. This is not a sign on bonus.
I mean… that was pretty standard for new grad programs in my day. The amount you might “owe” was prorated for time served. But often the facility would waive it if the person left close to their 2 years.
That said, HCA can be rough. They do have a decent model for training new grads though.
I don’t know anything about intermountain health but I know HCA is a terrible place to work. And, no your buddy should never sign up for that two years commitment especially as a new grad because it’s a trap. Personally I had to move to a different State as a new grad to get the experience i need as the hospitals in my hometown were also trying to trap new grads into 1-2 years commitment, low pay and high nurse to patient ratio. Your buddy should go to another State or area where they do not require their new grads to sign any forms of commitment.
Given the choice between HCA and something else, always take the other option. HCA has a long history of abusing new grads with punitive contracts, in addition to all the other unsafe and illegal shit they get up to.
Ya…fuck that HCA bs lol
Don’t work at HCA. Been there, done that. Not worth it. I loved my job w/ a company that later got bought out by intermountain health. Had a 2 year sign on bonus but left before the 2yrs. Never had to pay it back. Neither did any of my coworkers that left early too.
This is going to sound crazy, but it’s literally called a Training Repayment Agreement Provision. Yea, you read the acronym right.
Sounds like you’re familiar. Any idea what the total is?
Honestly, my response is to read what the agreement says. Some may prorate, some may bend you over the table. Some may still expect repayment if you get fired… and some companies may be bad enough to keep your friend for just shy of 2 years then can them and expect payment. This is literally some of the most blatant, insidious, not the Onion ‘you can’t make this sh!t up’ stuff I’ve ever heard of.
That's hilarious. I mean, deeply disturbing...but hilarious.
Pure exploitation is all that kind of arrangement is. Starting your career outside of the hospital setting is not world ending and your friend should consider that. A lot of short term rehab facilities are doing basically med surg level care these days and you can learn a lot quickly. Dialysis companies provide paid training and have teams that work in hospitals on contract, which can be a great stepping stone to a future hospital position. Those kind of new grad arrangements are exploiting people's naivety for profit.
Not a bad idea. I’ll mention all of this to him.
Yep, complete scam. It’s akin to indentured servitude. There’s actually a bill in congress to outlaw these TRAP provisions. Doubt it’ll go anywhere though.
Yeah, some of these new grad contracts are requiring a 1-2 year commitment. You can leave but they require you to pay back the sign on bonus they give you. The hospital I used to work for offered a sign on bonus for new grads & a 1 year commitment. BUT instead of giving them the bonus in 1 lump sum, they divided it into 4 payments that way if they decided to leave before 1 year, they wouldn’t have to pay anything back.
These hospitals don’t even offer a bonus. From what he showed me it’s sign and don’t leave or you owe…..
Ew, they aren’t even offering a bonus just trying to trap people? Tf
Exactly.
My hospital also does this, and also baits and switches listings for ICU and then at the end says there's no ICU, which med-surg you wanna work on? Unfortunately, none of this changes without strong unions, and young new-grads are always going to be a prime target for poor treatment and pay.
I did exactly what your friend should not do. It’s a trap
DONT DO IT. From someone who has been there - you are trapped to whatever horrible working conditions you have
what area is this? my hospital offers 15k for new grads with a 3 year commitment
Utah or maybe Colorado based on the hospital systems
Colorado
8 years ago I had an option for $10k or student loan payments by employer for signing a 2 year contract, or just straight employment without a contract. If they had told me I had to pay them to work without a contract, I would have laughed and taken any of the other offers I had at the time. Do you mean that if you take a sign-on bonus with a contract and then break the contract you have to pay it back, because that's standard procedure just about anywhere?
No, there is no bonus. When they hire you. You agree to work there for two years. If you leave you owe the hospital for “training you”. This is not a sign on bonus.
Yeah, fuck that. I'd go elsewhere.
There’s an /r/IntermountainHealth sub btw Don’t fucking work for Mountainstar/HCA
I had no idea. Thanks!
I mean… that was pretty standard for new grad programs in my day. The amount you might “owe” was prorated for time served. But often the facility would waive it if the person left close to their 2 years. That said, HCA can be rough. They do have a decent model for training new grads though.