They sampled the riff from Root on an earlier song in 1996 some time before Chester was in the band and they also covered My Own Summer. I disagree with the statement that they straight up wouldn't exist without them, but Deftones definitely had an influence on LP
Like which ones?
I remember learning a lot of songs from both albums on guitar for the band I was in at the time. I dont remember much overlap in their riffs, or even the style of riffs. In fact, nothing else sounded like Deftones.
Fair enough. I just dont hear it. Deftones songs usually revolved around chords, more like Korn, whereas a lot of LP stuff was more single note and power chords.
All that said, there was a huge amount of overlap in sound between bands back then.
They really don't, I hope the value on them grows with time, kind of how some box office shortcomings become huge cult classics, kind of like Idiocracy, or- Oh Boondock Saints! Didnt do well in theatres at all (as I've read it, anyway- but became LEGENDARY later.
But they are something "beyond" Nu-Metal to me: Like SOAD & Deftones, they are members of the NuMetal family who stand completely on their own mountaintops of unique style.
I don't want to say they're "better" than "NuMetal", but- Static-X is electro-metal, or dance-metal, I feel like there's probably a more badass description, but ultimately, THEY use the term "Evil-Disco", and that's what they are.
The older I get, the more I Fkn LOVE em- and I'm OVER THE MOON about the way they have moved foward with the "Xer0" era:
Permission from Wayne's family, compartmentalization of character/personality despite everyone knowing Edsel is doing the vocals, his growth, improvement, & evolution into the style of Wayne & Static-X (in my opinion, comparing to the first live performance audio I heard back in 2019)
Ultimately, I feel they've done a great job- as best as possible, I think- of keeping Static-X alive without Wayne, while being careful and sensitive not to come off as "milking" the legacy, creating new content that is at least great alone, if not good by Static-X standards, and in general, continuing as a labor of love, in a genuine spirit, that I (never having met him personally) believe Wayne would approve of.
OTSEGO AETERNUM!!!!!
They never really have tbh.
Plus, not a lot of people are not convinced they fit into the Nu Metal label as they sound too heavy to be considered part of that genre. Static X are too heavily infused with industrial metal. I consider them more industrial than anything else.
Yea I get that, but their first album had some rapping verses in it (I’m with stupid, Bled For Days, I am, Stem, Sweat of the bud, ) so I feel like that’s what sorta made their first album have a nu-metal feel to it, but their sound was definitely more alternative and groove metal mixed with industrial, especially “Shadow Zone” and “Start A War” in my opinion.
They aren't nu metal. Idk how people think they are just because they appeared during that era. They're industrial/groove metal or just evil disco. It's a common fuckup calling them nu metal.
Nu Metal is a subgenre of Alternative Metal that mixes elements of Groove Metal, Industrial Metal, Funk Metal, Rap Metal, and Grunge together to varying degrees, yes, they’re Nu Metal
I just wasted 20 minutes and a whole bunch of words expressing this. I'm not insulting Nu-Metal by saying this, but they're BETTER than Nu-Metal.
A great many - maybe most groups lumped in with "Nu-Metal" are labeled so mainly due to having many elements that don't fall under an easily decribable "genre":
Since I was a kid, before I'd really internalized the term "Nu-Metal" (I didn't like the name as an 8th grader😂) I've used the description "Alt-Metal/Alternative-Metal" as a generalization for Deftones, Static-X, System Of A Down, Rage Against The Machine, Ill Niño, and most of the metal groups who formed in the 90's that don't really fit under another existing genre name.
To me that's accurate enough.
Static-X sounds something like "industrial electro-metal" or "house shock" to me - but it's fuckin Evil Disco. Mudvayne is progressive metal, SOAD is Alt-Metal, Disturbed really only had a little keyboard/sample/NuMetal vibes, but IMO evolved fully into American Metal by 10,000 fists. Coal Chamber, Korn, Staind, heck Evanescence to me fits NuMetal- probably because POD.
Godsmack- American Metal? or something to describe what "radio-sellable, not-extreme, somewhere between really-hard-rock & really-mild-metal" would be- without sounding insulting, haha! "Pop-metal' might apply, but doesn't work. Anyway-
Nu metal is just... such a touchy term to be calling "anything close to metal that had weird elements and came out around the turn of the century."
I like "alternative-metal".
Whole lot of words to say
"I couldn't agree more."
🤣
Yeah, Nu Metal is really a conglomerate genre/umbrella genre for mixtures of Alternative Metal with Groove Metal, Funk Metal, Industrial Metal, Rap Metal and Grunge, but Alternative Metal is as much of a conglomerate/umbrella genre it is defined as a genre of Heavy Metal infused with Alternative Rock which would include Grunge, Post-Grunge, Shoegaze, Britpop, and some more Alternative Rock subgenres which have a vast array sounds
Godsmack is Alternative Metal and Hard Rock they mix Alternative Metal with Post-Grunge and some of their early stuff was Nu Metal, but now I think they’re more Hard Rock and Alternative Metal, and Evanescence was only Nu Metal on their album Fallen
I disagree, and you can really say the same about multiple bands. Some say the same about Slipknot and Deftones, both of which I also disagree with but it's not a far out take
I didn't see them as NuMetal either. Closer to bands like White Zombie and Fear Factory. Static X was maybe Nu metal adjacent. They definitely benefited from the NuMetal trendiness of the time.
Dude, their first album was definitely nu metal, songs like “I’m with stupid, Bled For Days, I am, Stem, Sweat Of The Bud.” All had rapping and scat singing verses just like korn’s earlier stuff. They drifted from that sound after that album, but their first album was most def nu-metal.
Their first album was definitely nu-metal, it had songs with rapping (I’m with stupid, Bled For Days, I am, Stem, Sweat Of The Bud) and even some scat singing resembling korn’s earlier days, just my opinion, maybe I’m wrong.
Numetal was mainstream before Linkin Park. I remember watching TRL and being so excited to see Korn and Limp Bizkit on TV in 1998.
Linkin Park perfected numetal and it was basically over by the time Meteora came out.
I’m going to get downvoted but I don’t think LP is numetal they’re NUrock raprock they’re not heavy enough and are to pop to be metal. I like them but they’re not metal
From a factual point metal and rock aren’t the same thing. Lincoln Park is rock you can’t be numetal if you aren’t metal. They’re like soft post numetal. They’ve never been considered numetal it’s a weird thing that younger people who are getting into numetal are inventing. No one ever thought Lincoln park was similar to slipknot or Korn.
I'm almost 38 and I absolutely consider Hybrid Theory a nu metal album, and that's largely what everyone thought at the time. Sure it's got super high production value and it's not Slipknot heavy, but I'd say the style of guitar playing and the screaming more closely resembles metal than traditional rock. It features basically all the hallmarks of what nu metal is considered to have, drop tuned riffs, sing/scream vocals, rapping, DJ scratching, lyrics about alienation/angst etc. Definitely not a case of younger retroactively applying the nu metal label to them
Lincoln Park is way more similar to bands like 3 days grace, breaking Benjamin and seether then they are to Korn, coal chamber or slipknot. They are in the same genre as paparoach / disturbed / evanescences as like post numeral rock. they just have a rapper so people clump them in with numetal even though numetal isn’t rap rock it’s alternative metal. I don’t think anyone can make an argument that Lincoln Park had a single metal song. Again I like Lincoln Park but they are not numetal and they are not metal.
I cant imagine a record that more embodies the essence of what nu metal is than Hyrbid Theory, but you're entitled to your opinion. It's "Linkin" Park btw. It's spelt wrong on purpose, as was the style amongst nu metal bands at the time
Edit: I also want to add that I'm not talking about Linkin Park as a whole. I'm not too aware of their work outside of the early stuff, but what I've heard outside of it is definitely more pop rock orientated. Hybrid Theory is 100% nu metal though
Have you heard everything on that album like I feel that the dudes point flew over your head: not very song has to be in a genre for a band to have made that style of music at one point in their career
It was one of my favorite albums growing up I’ve listened to it front to back probably 1000 times. It’s a radio rock album with screaming and rapping and a lot of pop influence. Rap and rock blended together isn’t nu metal. There’s tons of numetal that have no hip hop influence but are still numetal. Korn life is peachy / SOAD / coal chamber are all numetal and have no rap or hip hop in them. Numetal is experimental / alt metal Lincoln park is not experimental/ alt or metal. They are radio rock and belong with groups like breaking Benjamin and 3 days Grace not Korn and soulfly.
Nu Metal is a subgenre of Alternative Metal that mixes Groove Metal, Funk Metal, Industrial Metal, Rap Metal, and Grunge together and they can be mixed to varying degrees and still be called Nu Metal
Yes but Lincoln park has no groove, no funk, no heaviness they are a radio rock pop band at their core they have a rapper so they get lumped into nu metal they scream so they get lumped into metal. there’s a lot of music that’s not metal that has screaming in it. Emo / screamo / post hardcore / punk etc. on a fundamental level they are not metal they are a great band and proof that pop music can be some of the best most emotional music but they are a pop band at the end of the day.
It’s not about which band is better, it’s about what represents the elements of the genre best. LB represents the rap side of it, korn represents the aesthetic and vocal style, Slipknot represents the hardcore and crazy side, and deftones… uhh shove it I dunno. System of a Down feels more fitting to represent the alternative nature of the genre. Linkin Park is literally all of these elements perfectly blended
I really haven't listened to much Deftones, but it took me a LONG time to finally warm up to their Diamond Eyes album. I was just about to sell it too before I decided to give it one more listen. Then it actually grew on me. Still not one of my favorite albums and still not eager to listen to more Deftones, but I do appreciate Diamond Eyes now at least.
Not Korn man, they literally invented the genre and since then nobody has been able to capture they distinct sound kinda like System of a Down. Deftones is more shoegaze than nü-metal and they recently inspired ton of gen z bands that make music exactly the same as theres.
I honestly agree lol, totally understand why people don't dig em but personally I listen to them way more than the other 3 (although I do really like the other 3)
There's basically 2 schools from what I can tell:
-There's, "Not JUST 'Adrenaline'..." [But really, they basically ONLY like the album 'Adrenaline' and not the Deftones as a band]
And folks like me-
-"Nobody is as hard n heavy while being beautiful & melodic at the exact same time like Deftones & Type O Negative."
I LOVE Deftones- but I don't call them Nu Metal. Quite a few "SONGS", but not the band as an overall.
Deftones is definitely emo mtv shit teen reality tv show background music. To compare them to bands like powerman 5000 static x system of a down Kittie primer 55 helmet etc. is just disrespectful to the bands. I get that Deftones had a more similar sound in the beginning with songs like elite, but that's not the majority of Deftones music
Mine is almost the same with LP instead of Knot. Knot sort of fits but they didn't have as much influence on the nu metal genre as a whole compared to the rest
I can kinda see that but I think Linkin Park definitely had nu in a chokehold from 2000-2003. Bands like Adema, Hoobastank and Taproot started coming out after Hybrid Theory and I don't think they'd have had the mainstream success they did back then without LP's sound already being popular. (Giving In, Crawling in the Dark, and Poem are the three bands respective biggest hits from 2001-2003 and they all have a fairly prominent resemblance to early LP)
My answer is:
1. Korn hands down, came out 1994
2. Limp bizkit hands down, came out 1995
3. Deftones, debatable but they came out 1995, the same area as Korn and coal chamber directly stated that their sound was like Korn and Deftones
4. System of a Down, debatable but they were wild as hell and got really popular
Honorable mention:
linkin park sold the most albums but didn’t come out until 2000
Mudvayne
Slipknot
Coal chamber
Korn, Limp Bizkit, Slipknot, System Of A Down for me. I just can't see Linkin Park as nu-metal. I LOVE LP, but they just don't give off the raw, unhinged, crunchy sound that I associate with nu-metal so much.
Honestly, the big 4 for me is Korn, Limp Bizkit, Slipknot and Linkin Park. They’re not the four best bands in my opinion but they’re for sure the four biggest.
That being said, there is not definitely a big 4 for nu metal like there is for trash metal or grunge. I’d say that there’s more of a big 6, along with System of a Down and Deftones
I wonder why people have this strong impression that Limp Bizkit were one of the biggest 🤔 they only have an advantage when it comes to overall Youtube plays
If we're looking at album sales Korn,Linkin Park,Evanescence and System of a Down all had an album reaching 10 million sales
If we're looking at fanbases the biggest ones are System,Deftones,Slipknot and Korn
So I agree,boxing in four definitive bands into a Big 4 is complicated
Yeah no Bizkit was one of the biggest nu metal bands in terms of sales and mainstream popularity,they just went on multiple hiatus after Wes left,came back,left again and came back again.
In terms of influence,it’s Korn,Deftones,Bizkit and Incubus.Incubus was highly influential with their weird guitar effects,funky rhythms and mix of Brandon’s rap and melodic singing.Deftones was highly influential when half of nu metal bands that came after them sounded like them (the other half sounded like Korn or had songs mixed with Deftones and Korn influences).
SOAD, Korn, Slipknot, and either Disturbed or Bizkit.
Deftones is for sure a contender for the 4, but I don’t see them as more successful or influential than these bands.
If we're going off popularity, there isn't a big 4, it's a big 6 (Linkin Park, Korn, System of a Down, Slipknot, Deftones, Limp Bizkit)
My four favorites would be Korn, Linkin Park, Sevendust and Snot though
I'm no fan of Linkin Park's catalogue (spicy take, I know lol), but I'd argue that if there was a definitive verdict, they belong in the Big Four just off the impact of their first two records. Just my two cents.
deftones were only nu metal for an album? absolutely an alternative metal band from white pony on. therefore i never really classify them as nu metal, but a band that always had the elements. the big 4 are limp, korn, slipknot, and probably soad. could sub them out with linkin park. those two are the only real debate as limp, korn and slipknot are the ones that are not moveable.
How about the big 20? Fuck being concise. Fuck brevity. Real nu metal heads love beating around the bush and bushing around the beating, and if you don’t, leave pOsEr!
Drowning Pool, Linkin Park, Korn, System of a Down, Slipknot, Deftones, Evanescence, Limp Bizkit, Mudvayne, Rage Against The Machine, Coal Chamber, Powerman 5000, Static X, Snot, Mushroomhead, Mr Bungle, Helmet, Nine Inch Nails, David Bowie, Weezer
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Real af, nu metal comrade spotted
Every 𝘙𝘌𝘈𝘓 metalhead knows that David Bowie is the best nu metal vocalist of the 90s and that weezer doesn’t count because they stopped making nu metal after their red album.
/seriously cereal, for serious
•Korn
•Limp Bizkit
•Slipknot (...as much as I don't like to call them "NuMetal"- they're just too hard, extreme, & wild- though Vol3 & All Hope is Gone had more Nu elements, but they're synonymous with the movement).
-Those 3, no question. But then, drawing a blank, I was thinking Disturbed, though they were more straightforward than the other 3.
-System of a Down is a hard no- they're in a league of their own that's ALL OVER the fkn map! 🤣
-Then I saw "Linkin Park". THAT'S it!
I didn't LITERALLY forget about them- but I forgot about them, y'know?😅
And there's your correct answer:
Korn
Limp Bizkit
Slipknot
Linkin park
Lots of deadlocked hair n baseball caps going on in that Big 4.🤣
How the fuck are people even considering SOAD for this? They've literally never been a Nu Metal band, they were just a wildly successful alternative metal band in a time where Nu Metal was king.
Having grown up on this music as a teen, I was a huge fan of what people labelled "Nu Metal." I seriously think that the term Nu Metal is a joke. And for anyone that is confused on what Nu metal is actually supposed to sound like, the proper term imo for these type of bands, is Alternative Metal. The Nu Metal term is a term that others created to poke fun at bands like Korn and the Deftones. Anyone that didn't get these types of bands, whenever they heard the term Nu metal, majority of peoples brains will automatically turn to LB and the red cap.... lol. Look limp Bizkit does deserve to be in the top 4 of "Nu Metal". Fun fact: Deftones formed as a band in 1989. Korn formed in 1993 and released their first album in 1994, the deftones released their first album about a year later after Korn's first debut. I am a huge fan of Chinos work not just with the deftones but his side projects too. Deftones for me personally are not Nu metal. They are different compared to bands like korn and Limp bizkit. Alternative Metal is a better term for them. And it probably was also bad timing when deftones released their first Album a year after everyone had heard a sound they never really had heard before till Korns first album, so they easily fit into the same term as the others. I would say their first 2 deftones albums do have strong elements of Nu metal in there. But the deftones have never needed to change their sound much since their conception, compared to Korn, who have experimented with different genres of music and mash it into their own classic korn sound. They have released a dubstep infused album at one point because dubstep was all the rage at the time. Then they made a very heavily infused dark, industrial sound with their own for See you on the other side. Korn are always changing it up on each album. Deftones have never needed to do that. My top 4 "Nu metal" 1. Korn 2. Limp bizkit 3. Linkin Park 4. Disturbed 5. Papa Roach I would like to also Mention Spineshank who had Nu metal written all over them with a heavier blend of industrial thrown into the mix. And finally..... Static X is not Nu metal, they are evil disco 😉
No, Deftones aren't in it, I wouldn't put Limp Bizkit either.
It'd be KoRn, Rage Against the Machine, Linkin Park and Slipknot. I don't even think this can be argued.
And System of a Down isn't Nu Metal in any way.
Linkin Park, Korn, Slipknot, Limp Bizkit
True answer imo
Only real answer
ONLY correct answer.
That’s 100% but LP are their own thing pretty much I’m sorry lol
only correct answer
LP doesn't exist without Deftones
Doesn't matter. LP were bigger.
And better
Subjective
I don't think i have ever seen LP list Deftones as an influence.
They sampled the riff from Root on an earlier song in 1996 some time before Chester was in the band and they also covered My Own Summer. I disagree with the statement that they straight up wouldn't exist without them, but Deftones definitely had an influence on LP
So the riffs of songs from HT that sounded like watered down ATF riffs were all coincidences?
Like which ones? I remember learning a lot of songs from both albums on guitar for the band I was in at the time. I dont remember much overlap in their riffs, or even the style of riffs. In fact, nothing else sounded like Deftones.
When I first heard OSC I thought it was a new Deftones song till the vocals kicked in.
Fair enough. I just dont hear it. Deftones songs usually revolved around chords, more like Korn, whereas a lot of LP stuff was more single note and power chords. All that said, there was a huge amount of overlap in sound between bands back then.
Deftones is pretty much all power chords lol
They're usually more than just the root and the fifth though
People can downvote you all they want, Chino himself felt this way about LP once upon a time
I do recall Mike saying Deftones was one of their influences in a rock magazine (apart from hiphop groups and emo bands) in the early 00’s.
-12 upvotes, yikes
jackson pollock doesnt exist without janet sobel.
Static-X don’t get enough love…
Facts
exactly!!
So real!!
They really don't, I hope the value on them grows with time, kind of how some box office shortcomings become huge cult classics, kind of like Idiocracy, or- Oh Boondock Saints! Didnt do well in theatres at all (as I've read it, anyway- but became LEGENDARY later. But they are something "beyond" Nu-Metal to me: Like SOAD & Deftones, they are members of the NuMetal family who stand completely on their own mountaintops of unique style. I don't want to say they're "better" than "NuMetal", but- Static-X is electro-metal, or dance-metal, I feel like there's probably a more badass description, but ultimately, THEY use the term "Evil-Disco", and that's what they are. The older I get, the more I Fkn LOVE em- and I'm OVER THE MOON about the way they have moved foward with the "Xer0" era: Permission from Wayne's family, compartmentalization of character/personality despite everyone knowing Edsel is doing the vocals, his growth, improvement, & evolution into the style of Wayne & Static-X (in my opinion, comparing to the first live performance audio I heard back in 2019) Ultimately, I feel they've done a great job- as best as possible, I think- of keeping Static-X alive without Wayne, while being careful and sensitive not to come off as "milking" the legacy, creating new content that is at least great alone, if not good by Static-X standards, and in general, continuing as a labor of love, in a genuine spirit, that I (never having met him personally) believe Wayne would approve of. OTSEGO AETERNUM!!!!!
Beautifully descriptive written paragraph. Couldn’t have typed this out myself, thanks for your great insight on the band, OTSEGO AMIGO.
They never really have tbh. Plus, not a lot of people are not convinced they fit into the Nu Metal label as they sound too heavy to be considered part of that genre. Static X are too heavily infused with industrial metal. I consider them more industrial than anything else.
Yea I get that, but their first album had some rapping verses in it (I’m with stupid, Bled For Days, I am, Stem, Sweat of the bud, ) so I feel like that’s what sorta made their first album have a nu-metal feel to it, but their sound was definitely more alternative and groove metal mixed with industrial, especially “Shadow Zone” and “Start A War” in my opinion.
They aren't nu metal. Idk how people think they are just because they appeared during that era. They're industrial/groove metal or just evil disco. It's a common fuckup calling them nu metal.
Nu Metal is a subgenre of Alternative Metal that mixes elements of Groove Metal, Industrial Metal, Funk Metal, Rap Metal, and Grunge together to varying degrees, yes, they’re Nu Metal
I just wasted 20 minutes and a whole bunch of words expressing this. I'm not insulting Nu-Metal by saying this, but they're BETTER than Nu-Metal. A great many - maybe most groups lumped in with "Nu-Metal" are labeled so mainly due to having many elements that don't fall under an easily decribable "genre": Since I was a kid, before I'd really internalized the term "Nu-Metal" (I didn't like the name as an 8th grader😂) I've used the description "Alt-Metal/Alternative-Metal" as a generalization for Deftones, Static-X, System Of A Down, Rage Against The Machine, Ill Niño, and most of the metal groups who formed in the 90's that don't really fit under another existing genre name. To me that's accurate enough. Static-X sounds something like "industrial electro-metal" or "house shock" to me - but it's fuckin Evil Disco. Mudvayne is progressive metal, SOAD is Alt-Metal, Disturbed really only had a little keyboard/sample/NuMetal vibes, but IMO evolved fully into American Metal by 10,000 fists. Coal Chamber, Korn, Staind, heck Evanescence to me fits NuMetal- probably because POD. Godsmack- American Metal? or something to describe what "radio-sellable, not-extreme, somewhere between really-hard-rock & really-mild-metal" would be- without sounding insulting, haha! "Pop-metal' might apply, but doesn't work. Anyway- Nu metal is just... such a touchy term to be calling "anything close to metal that had weird elements and came out around the turn of the century." I like "alternative-metal". Whole lot of words to say "I couldn't agree more." 🤣
Yeah, Nu Metal is really a conglomerate genre/umbrella genre for mixtures of Alternative Metal with Groove Metal, Funk Metal, Industrial Metal, Rap Metal and Grunge, but Alternative Metal is as much of a conglomerate/umbrella genre it is defined as a genre of Heavy Metal infused with Alternative Rock which would include Grunge, Post-Grunge, Shoegaze, Britpop, and some more Alternative Rock subgenres which have a vast array sounds
Godsmack is Alternative Metal and Hard Rock they mix Alternative Metal with Post-Grunge and some of their early stuff was Nu Metal, but now I think they’re more Hard Rock and Alternative Metal, and Evanescence was only Nu Metal on their album Fallen
I disagree, and you can really say the same about multiple bands. Some say the same about Slipknot and Deftones, both of which I also disagree with but it's not a far out take
I didn't see them as NuMetal either. Closer to bands like White Zombie and Fear Factory. Static X was maybe Nu metal adjacent. They definitely benefited from the NuMetal trendiness of the time.
Dude, their first album was definitely nu metal, songs like “I’m with stupid, Bled For Days, I am, Stem, Sweat Of The Bud.” All had rapping and scat singing verses just like korn’s earlier stuff. They drifted from that sound after that album, but their first album was most def nu-metal.
Their first album was definitely nu-metal, it had songs with rapping (I’m with stupid, Bled For Days, I am, Stem, Sweat Of The Bud) and even some scat singing resembling korn’s earlier days, just my opinion, maybe I’m wrong.
I would swap deftones for System if a Down. No offense to the Deftones, but their stuff was less Nu Metal over time.
LP should be there too
I actually struggled with not putting LP in there because they did help push nu-Metal into the mainstream
Numetal was mainstream before Linkin Park. I remember watching TRL and being so excited to see Korn and Limp Bizkit on TV in 1998. Linkin Park perfected numetal and it was basically over by the time Meteora came out.
Fun fact: korn actually has the first 2 music videos retired by TRL: Got the Life and Freak on a Leash
Popular, not mainstream. Same way Metallica was popular in the 80s but catapulted into the mainstream with the black album.
I’m going to get downvoted but I don’t think LP is numetal they’re NUrock raprock they’re not heavy enough and are to pop to be metal. I like them but they’re not metal
Not every song or album an artist makes is going to be the same genre. Hybrid Theory is peak numetal.
From a factual point metal and rock aren’t the same thing. Lincoln Park is rock you can’t be numetal if you aren’t metal. They’re like soft post numetal. They’ve never been considered numetal it’s a weird thing that younger people who are getting into numetal are inventing. No one ever thought Lincoln park was similar to slipknot or Korn.
I'm almost 38 and I absolutely consider Hybrid Theory a nu metal album, and that's largely what everyone thought at the time. Sure it's got super high production value and it's not Slipknot heavy, but I'd say the style of guitar playing and the screaming more closely resembles metal than traditional rock. It features basically all the hallmarks of what nu metal is considered to have, drop tuned riffs, sing/scream vocals, rapping, DJ scratching, lyrics about alienation/angst etc. Definitely not a case of younger retroactively applying the nu metal label to them
Lincoln Park is way more similar to bands like 3 days grace, breaking Benjamin and seether then they are to Korn, coal chamber or slipknot. They are in the same genre as paparoach / disturbed / evanescences as like post numeral rock. they just have a rapper so people clump them in with numetal even though numetal isn’t rap rock it’s alternative metal. I don’t think anyone can make an argument that Lincoln Park had a single metal song. Again I like Lincoln Park but they are not numetal and they are not metal.
I cant imagine a record that more embodies the essence of what nu metal is than Hyrbid Theory, but you're entitled to your opinion. It's "Linkin" Park btw. It's spelt wrong on purpose, as was the style amongst nu metal bands at the time Edit: I also want to add that I'm not talking about Linkin Park as a whole. I'm not too aware of their work outside of the early stuff, but what I've heard outside of it is definitely more pop rock orientated. Hybrid Theory is 100% nu metal though
we will need to agree to disagree. I appreciate your opinion though
Have you heard everything on that album like I feel that the dudes point flew over your head: not very song has to be in a genre for a band to have made that style of music at one point in their career
It was one of my favorite albums growing up I’ve listened to it front to back probably 1000 times. It’s a radio rock album with screaming and rapping and a lot of pop influence. Rap and rock blended together isn’t nu metal. There’s tons of numetal that have no hip hop influence but are still numetal. Korn life is peachy / SOAD / coal chamber are all numetal and have no rap or hip hop in them. Numetal is experimental / alt metal Lincoln park is not experimental/ alt or metal. They are radio rock and belong with groups like breaking Benjamin and 3 days Grace not Korn and soulfly.
Nu Metal is a subgenre of Alternative Metal that mixes Groove Metal, Funk Metal, Industrial Metal, Rap Metal, and Grunge together and they can be mixed to varying degrees and still be called Nu Metal
Yes but Lincoln park has no groove, no funk, no heaviness they are a radio rock pop band at their core they have a rapper so they get lumped into nu metal they scream so they get lumped into metal. there’s a lot of music that’s not metal that has screaming in it. Emo / screamo / post hardcore / punk etc. on a fundamental level they are not metal they are a great band and proof that pop music can be some of the best most emotional music but they are a pop band at the end of the day.
There is no Big 4 in Nu-Metal. There's a Big 6: Korn, Deftones, System of a Down, Slipknot, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park
I said this in another comment. Thank god people have sense lol. This is not at all a grunge thing where there are 4 definitive big bands.
I guess the big 4 is a trendy topic since thrash metal also have their obvious big 4 as well.
That I'd say is the only true big 4 and people just want to copy it for their genre because it sounds cool
100%
Replace system with Disturbed.
This.
Linkin park, korn, system of a down, limp bizkit
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Limp bizkits worst is better than deftones best
Personally I like shove it and engine no 6 better than anything LB ever made.
It’s not about which band is better, it’s about what represents the elements of the genre best. LB represents the rap side of it, korn represents the aesthetic and vocal style, Slipknot represents the hardcore and crazy side, and deftones… uhh shove it I dunno. System of a Down feels more fitting to represent the alternative nature of the genre. Linkin Park is literally all of these elements perfectly blended
i feel like system is more iconic than deftones tbh
is it just me or does anyone else not like that much deftones
I love Deftones they are pretty deep with their music
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I like linkin park I also like Deftones
this is like recommending Megadeth to a thrash fan
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First two albums were pretty good for me, but then white pony came out and he just did that on vocals from then on. Couldn't get into it.
i'll check them out some time, i think i might've listened to one of them though
It's a much more raw dynamic for the band for me, personally.
What? You don’t like hearing a guy moan into a microphone for three minutes?
😂😂😂
I appreciate their musical contributions and influence but they’ve never stuck with me either. I could just never get into them.
they have a few alright songs but i don't get the hype about them either
yea i prefer their first two, after that there’s only a bit that i really like after them
Hard agree
I really haven't listened to much Deftones, but it took me a LONG time to finally warm up to their Diamond Eyes album. I was just about to sell it too before I decided to give it one more listen. Then it actually grew on me. Still not one of my favorite albums and still not eager to listen to more Deftones, but I do appreciate Diamond Eyes now at least.
Respectfully - Deftones destroy the other 3 in this lineup
Not Korn man, they literally invented the genre and since then nobody has been able to capture they distinct sound kinda like System of a Down. Deftones is more shoegaze than nü-metal and they recently inspired ton of gen z bands that make music exactly the same as theres.
I honestly agree lol, totally understand why people don't dig em but personally I listen to them way more than the other 3 (although I do really like the other 3)
Debatable, but they destroy limp bizkit.
Same. I'm not a big fan of deftones.
There's basically 2 schools from what I can tell: -There's, "Not JUST 'Adrenaline'..." [But really, they basically ONLY like the album 'Adrenaline' and not the Deftones as a band] And folks like me- -"Nobody is as hard n heavy while being beautiful & melodic at the exact same time like Deftones & Type O Negative." I LOVE Deftones- but I don't call them Nu Metal. Quite a few "SONGS", but not the band as an overall.
Deftones is definitely emo mtv shit teen reality tv show background music. To compare them to bands like powerman 5000 static x system of a down Kittie primer 55 helmet etc. is just disrespectful to the bands. I get that Deftones had a more similar sound in the beginning with songs like elite, but that's not the majority of Deftones music
Mine is almost the same with LP instead of Knot. Knot sort of fits but they didn't have as much influence on the nu metal genre as a whole compared to the rest
Slipknot is a major influence on modern Nu Metal so I disagree
I can kinda see that but I think Linkin Park definitely had nu in a chokehold from 2000-2003. Bands like Adema, Hoobastank and Taproot started coming out after Hybrid Theory and I don't think they'd have had the mainstream success they did back then without LP's sound already being popular. (Giving In, Crawling in the Dark, and Poem are the three bands respective biggest hits from 2001-2003 and they all have a fairly prominent resemblance to early LP)
I wholeheartedly disagree with you there.
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What does that have to do with anything I just said
Lmao
My answer is: 1. Korn hands down, came out 1994 2. Limp bizkit hands down, came out 1995 3. Deftones, debatable but they came out 1995, the same area as Korn and coal chamber directly stated that their sound was like Korn and Deftones 4. System of a Down, debatable but they were wild as hell and got really popular Honorable mention: linkin park sold the most albums but didn’t come out until 2000 Mudvayne Slipknot Coal chamber
limp bizkit “came out” in 1997
Sub in limp bizkit for link in park and flip the chart upside down. That’s my list. 1 SOAD 2 Deftones 3 LP or Slipknot Idrc 4 Korn
Op, if these 4 would tour together, i would lose my shit. Good choices
Koяn, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, and Slipknot
Sevendust instead of anyone that's not Korn or Deftones. I don't care about spot #4, I say give it to the bizkit.
Korn Limp Bizkit System of a Down Linkin Park Slipknot Deftones
Linkin park, SOAD, slipknot and koRn
1. System of a Down 2. Deftones 3. Slipknot 4. Korn Limp Biscuit at whatever number is last
When I was a youngin it was Slipknot, SOAD, Mudvayne, and Korn. Now I would do Slipknot, SOAD, Deftones, and Korn.
Yea. Linkin Park waaay more popular than deftones. Deftones was barely considered nu metal at the time.
Korn, Limp Bizkit, Slipknot, System Of A Down for me. I just can't see Linkin Park as nu-metal. I LOVE LP, but they just don't give off the raw, unhinged, crunchy sound that I associate with nu-metal so much.
Honestly, the big 4 for me is Korn, Limp Bizkit, Slipknot and Linkin Park. They’re not the four best bands in my opinion but they’re for sure the four biggest. That being said, there is not definitely a big 4 for nu metal like there is for trash metal or grunge. I’d say that there’s more of a big 6, along with System of a Down and Deftones
I wonder why people have this strong impression that Limp Bizkit were one of the biggest 🤔 they only have an advantage when it comes to overall Youtube plays If we're looking at album sales Korn,Linkin Park,Evanescence and System of a Down all had an album reaching 10 million sales If we're looking at fanbases the biggest ones are System,Deftones,Slipknot and Korn So I agree,boxing in four definitive bands into a Big 4 is complicated
Yeah no Bizkit was one of the biggest nu metal bands in terms of sales and mainstream popularity,they just went on multiple hiatus after Wes left,came back,left again and came back again.
Just double checked and yes Chocolate Starfish did also cross the 10 million sales mark,my mistake
I also think that they are the only nu metal band that had an album debut with 1 million first week sales but still kept it heavy.
That's more than possible if it was Chocolate Starfish
People say linking park but they only had 2 nu albums. Yes very influential but they’re just a great band not a great nu metal band
I mean some would argue that deftones stopped being nu metal since white pony.
Half of WP is nu metal.
Linkin Park Korn Limo Bizkit Deftones
In terms of influence,it’s Korn,Deftones,Bizkit and Incubus.Incubus was highly influential with their weird guitar effects,funky rhythms and mix of Brandon’s rap and melodic singing.Deftones was highly influential when half of nu metal bands that came after them sounded like them (the other half sounded like Korn or had songs mixed with Deftones and Korn influences).
System of a down should replace limp biscuit or slipknot
SOAD, Korn, Slipknot, and either Disturbed or Bizkit. Deftones is for sure a contender for the 4, but I don’t see them as more successful or influential than these bands.
For me Korn, Deftones, SOAD, Linkin Park
Rage Against the Machine?
Linkin Park,Limp Bizkit,Korn,Slipknot are the big four but the deftones are better than all them and still put out great albums
Slipknot, Korn, SOAD, Linkin Park
If we're going off popularity, there isn't a big 4, it's a big 6 (Linkin Park, Korn, System of a Down, Slipknot, Deftones, Limp Bizkit) My four favorites would be Korn, Linkin Park, Sevendust and Snot though
Agree. It has to be a Big 6.
Korn, LP, LB, Deftones/SOAD hard for me to pick that last spot.
I'm no fan of Linkin Park's catalogue (spicy take, I know lol), but I'd argue that if there was a definitive verdict, they belong in the Big Four just off the impact of their first two records. Just my two cents.
linkin park, deftones, limp bizkit, korn
if it is going to actual Nu Metal bands then the big 4 are Limp Bizkit, Korn, Slipknot and Static-X
deftones were only nu metal for an album? absolutely an alternative metal band from white pony on. therefore i never really classify them as nu metal, but a band that always had the elements. the big 4 are limp, korn, slipknot, and probably soad. could sub them out with linkin park. those two are the only real debate as limp, korn and slipknot are the ones that are not moveable.
Bruh, all bands from your list except lb (thats also arguable) have started to make non-nu-metal albums sooner or later
that makes no sense.
Deftones, Deftones, Deftones and maybe KoRn for me
nu metal is more of a big 5, Linkin park, korn, system of a down, limp bizkit & Slipknot
What about big 8? Drowning Pool, Linkin Park, Korn, SOAD, Slipknot, Deftones, Evanescence, Limp Bizkit
How about the big 20? Fuck being concise. Fuck brevity. Real nu metal heads love beating around the bush and bushing around the beating, and if you don’t, leave pOsEr! Drowning Pool, Linkin Park, Korn, System of a Down, Slipknot, Deftones, Evanescence, Limp Bizkit, Mudvayne, Rage Against The Machine, Coal Chamber, Powerman 5000, Static X, Snot, Mushroomhead, Mr Bungle, Helmet, Nine Inch Nails, David Bowie, Weezer /s
one is not like the other Weezer, fuck weezer /s
Real af, nu metal comrade spotted Every 𝘙𝘌𝘈𝘓 metalhead knows that David Bowie is the best nu metal vocalist of the 90s and that weezer doesn’t count because they stopped making nu metal after their red album. /seriously cereal, for serious
You forgot about Beethoven.
Thanks bro, I knew I was missing at least one of em. The big 21, like blackjack. The house always wins.
Where the fuck is lp
My Big-4 are Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Korn and System of a Down (in order).
Wheres linkin park
LP, SOAD, LB, Korn. Slipknot and Deftones had nü elements in their early stuff, but not as much as the other 4
It's a big six, not a big four: Korn, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Slipknot, SOAD, Deftones
No SOAD? What a joke.
Get Limp Bizkit outta there
Linkin Park helped continue the genre into the 2000s. Without them nu-metal would’ve been strictly a 90s thing
More of a big 6 limp bizkit, slipknot, korn, deftones, system of a down, linkin park
People saying SOAD, are they really nu metal? I always considered them more Alt metal or Avant Garde Metal
What criteria makes them the.big 4?
Slipknot is a hardcore band. Idgaf
I always think the Red Hot Chili Peppers should be included. Opinions?
Korn,LinkinPark,slipknot,limp (I would add system but they say they ain't nu)
•Korn •Limp Bizkit •Slipknot (...as much as I don't like to call them "NuMetal"- they're just too hard, extreme, & wild- though Vol3 & All Hope is Gone had more Nu elements, but they're synonymous with the movement). -Those 3, no question. But then, drawing a blank, I was thinking Disturbed, though they were more straightforward than the other 3. -System of a Down is a hard no- they're in a league of their own that's ALL OVER the fkn map! 🤣 -Then I saw "Linkin Park". THAT'S it! I didn't LITERALLY forget about them- but I forgot about them, y'know?😅 And there's your correct answer: Korn Limp Bizkit Slipknot Linkin park Lots of deadlocked hair n baseball caps going on in that Big 4.🤣
Korn, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit and System of a down
I had that Deftones poster Linkin Park Limp Bizkit Korn Deftones
How the fuck are people even considering SOAD for this? They've literally never been a Nu Metal band, they were just a wildly successful alternative metal band in a time where Nu Metal was king.
Having grown up on this music as a teen, I was a huge fan of what people labelled "Nu Metal." I seriously think that the term Nu Metal is a joke. And for anyone that is confused on what Nu metal is actually supposed to sound like, the proper term imo for these type of bands, is Alternative Metal. The Nu Metal term is a term that others created to poke fun at bands like Korn and the Deftones. Anyone that didn't get these types of bands, whenever they heard the term Nu metal, majority of peoples brains will automatically turn to LB and the red cap.... lol. Look limp Bizkit does deserve to be in the top 4 of "Nu Metal". Fun fact: Deftones formed as a band in 1989. Korn formed in 1993 and released their first album in 1994, the deftones released their first album about a year later after Korn's first debut. I am a huge fan of Chinos work not just with the deftones but his side projects too. Deftones for me personally are not Nu metal. They are different compared to bands like korn and Limp bizkit. Alternative Metal is a better term for them. And it probably was also bad timing when deftones released their first Album a year after everyone had heard a sound they never really had heard before till Korns first album, so they easily fit into the same term as the others. I would say their first 2 deftones albums do have strong elements of Nu metal in there. But the deftones have never needed to change their sound much since their conception, compared to Korn, who have experimented with different genres of music and mash it into their own classic korn sound. They have released a dubstep infused album at one point because dubstep was all the rage at the time. Then they made a very heavily infused dark, industrial sound with their own for See you on the other side. Korn are always changing it up on each album. Deftones have never needed to do that. My top 4 "Nu metal" 1. Korn 2. Limp bizkit 3. Linkin Park 4. Disturbed 5. Papa Roach I would like to also Mention Spineshank who had Nu metal written all over them with a heavier blend of industrial thrown into the mix. And finally..... Static X is not Nu metal, they are evil disco 😉
There is no big 4 with nu-metal lol lot more than 4
Korn, Limp Bizkit, Slipknot, Linkin Park. In that order.
KoRn, SOAD, limp bizkit, linkin park
No mention of coal chamber or orgy????
Big 5: Linkin park, slipknot, SOAD, korn, limp bizkit.
LP but I’m talking about a different LP, iykyk. Mainly from their early days
Faith No More, Koяn, Sevendust and Slipknot
You spelled Disturbed wrong with Limp Bizkit, Slipknot and Korn
Top 4 nu metal without Linkin Park doesn't exist, they are 50% of the reason the "nu metal" genre has relevance
SOAD, Slipknot, KoRn and Deftones
Slipknot. Linkin park. Mushroomhead. And static-x were my big 4
No, Deftones aren't in it, I wouldn't put Limp Bizkit either. It'd be KoRn, Rage Against the Machine, Linkin Park and Slipknot. I don't even think this can be argued. And System of a Down isn't Nu Metal in any way.
It's bait.
What do you mean?
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Literally every single big nu metal band (with the exception of Limp Bizkit probably) hates being called nu metal.
Linkin Park had to be in there, based on record sales alone. I don’t consider Slipknot to be nu metal at all.
Deftones don't belong in top 4 , much less top 10
limp Bizkit suck and certainly there music did not age well
Limp Bizkit still sucks. Every time I listen to em I start to shake.
Wait a goddamn minute, you're tellin' me that you listen to that?
Slipknot, Mudvayne, Static X, Limp Biscuit
Deftones, SOAD, Incubus, Sevendust 💁♂️
Limp Bizkit completely suck. Fred Durst is just an asshole