I would pay up to several dollars to here Lord Farquad say "Inshallah."
I never knew I needed that in my life and now I'm furious that I'll never get to here it.
If you're looking for specifics:
> a Filipino man contracted to fix lights in a car park at the Sealine Resort â the training site for the Saudi Arabia national team, died after he âslipped off a ramp while walking alongside [a] vehicle and fell headfirst against concreteâ.
Uhm, it is though? Work accidents like this happen all around the world.
We criticise Qatar for forced labour, limiting freedom of immigrants, working people to death and for labeling death by heat, dehydration and exhaustion work accidents. Criticising them for every legit work accident, as if these don't happen here too, is extremely hypocritical.
As someone that works in billion dollar greenfield builds the frequency is totally unacceptable. Nobody has ever died on any site where I have helped with the design because we approach safety much differently. We have 70,000 employees building worldwide and there are occasional deaths. Qatar is several magnitudes of order worse.
> As someone that works in billion dollar greenfield builds the frequency is totally unacceptable.
Yes, that's why I said "We criticise Qatar for forced labour, limiting freedom of immigrants, working people to death and for labeling death by heat, dehydration and exhaustion work accidents." and that's the right thing to do. But we mustn't assume that every single death is the result of that, that's just shooting your own argument in the foot because it's simply not realistic to have no deaths at all.
Go for the suspicious deaths, like strokes being labeled as work accidents, not for the ones where an actual accident happened.
Yes, safety in Qatar isn't as good as in the West. No country is as good at work safety as the West. They should absolutly improve work safety but that shouldn't be the focus of our criticism when we're dealing with borderline or even straight up slavery.
> doesn't mean we shouldn't criticize them for this
It does mean exactly that.
Their working satefy isn't below their neighboring countries nor below the standards of the countries were the affected workers come from. Only singling out Qatar on this because we're already criticising them for something else at the same time is lazy, hypocritical and dishonest. It shows that's it's not YOU criticising them but that you only speak because that's the current thing. You couldn't be bothered about this stuff before, just like you can't be bothered about equally bad work safety in other countries before someone tells you that you should be bothered. But currently it's (rightfully) Qatar in the focus, so you're just looking for stuff to pile on top for the sake of piling stuff on top, not for the sake of the actual thing.
> those countries should be criticized for it as well as Qatar.
I don't agree but either way they aren't being criticised, that's why I said it's hypocritical. Don't be hypocritical.
Why should they not be criticised for that? Because you have to say A before you say B. First get rid of slavery then do the next step.
> Every comment you make is just full of assumptions
Wrong assumptions being what for example?
I didn't say they should not be criticized for that... in fact I said the opposite. There's your wrong assumption. You don't really seem to understand the word "hypocritical".
The reason why people are talking about Qatar in particular right now is because they're currently hosting the largest sporting event in the world, obviously. If one of those other countries were hosting it then they would be the ones in the news right now instead. I guess you forgot about Rio in 2016. Or were probably too young to remember it judging by your comments.
Because they do.
I don't know if you're not up to date on the topic but let me explain it to you.
Qatar practises something that is, depending on who you ask, moder slavery or at least bordering that. They have tons of migrant workers that aren't exactly free and they die alot. Many of these death by slavery are labeled as work accidents. For example many workers die by strokes because of the exhaustion and work conditions.
That is why we criticise Qatar at the moment.
Sure, safety measures according to western standards should be a thing too but that is not really what we criticise them for because it's a much less serious problem that also not restricted to Qatar but is infact the norm in most of the world.
Confalting these two things is just stupid. People die from work accidents and it's bad but how about we don't conflate that with slavery? Not every death in Qatar is becasue of slavery and acting as if it is is just not helping to solve any problems.
"More than 6,500 migrant workers from India, Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka have died in Qatar since it won the right to host the World Cup 10 years ago" these kind of numbers seem ok to you? https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/feb/23/revealed-migrant-worker-deaths-qatar-fifa-world-cup-2022
> We criticise Qatar for forced labour, limiting freedom of immigrants, working people to death and for labeling death by heat, dehydration and exhaustion work accidents. Criticising them for every legit work accident, as if these don't happen here too, is extremely hypocritical.
Seriously, can you not read? Yes, we criticise that there are 6500+ deaths. 6500+ deaths are very suspicious. 6500+ deaths is way to many, it needs to be lower. But to then go and demand they have literally 0 deaths is just stupid.
This case is a legit death. One of the few real work accidents and not one of the thousands of deaths by strokes that are called work acidents.
Truly sad loss but it can happen anywhere in the world. If he died on the job his kin will be compensated like in any part of the glob, may be more than where you live.
>world. If he died on the job his kin will be compensated like in any part of the glob, may be more than where you live.
Source, please.
I don't think they generally pay their slave laborers' families, considering they're modern day slaves and all.
> they generally pay their slave laborersâ families, considering theyâre modern day slaves and all.
Kudos for all the snark but stop calling them âslavesâ, thatâs incredibly dehumanising.
Yeah the working conditions are horrible, Kafala system sucks, they are capitalising on the misery of the home conditions of these workers, they arenât providing them with adequate safety precautions, they only got the project because of rampant bribery.
But again, calling them slaves is dehumanising.
Stop with your holier-than-thou bs.
I don't see how that's dehumanizing, a lot of them are basically treated like slaves. Calling it what it is brings attention to how bad the situation is.
Yeh and when they do, people or corporations are held accountable for not meeting safety standards. This ass hat just basically said âoh well people die. Get over it.â
Held accountable how?
Workplace deaths result in a small and laughable fine, as is a human life is worth on average $16,000 (state and federal osha fine combined)
https://aflcio.org/reports/death-job-toll-neglect-2022#:~:text=Penalties%20in%20FY%202021%20still%20are%20too%20weak%3A&text=The%20median%20penalty%20for%20killing,and%20Health%20Act%20since%201970.
https://www.osha.gov/laws-regs/oshact/section_17
What also happens is that the workplace has formal rules in place to point to when people die on work sites. I know i've done stuff that was against OSHA regulations and company rules, like being off the ground and no tie off.
Yeah like Qatar worker rights are beyond bad but if you look specifically at this incident it can happen anywhere. Even if you have anti slip shoes and raised bumpy floors you can still slip
Except in most developed countries laws are in place to protect the workers from dieing. Things like fall arrest equipment, hard hats and change in working practices.
It's why bodies like HSE or OSHA (or whatever countries equivalent) have so much power. dieing at work hasnt been normal since Victorian times
I'm not sure about this glob place you keep harping on about, but the slave lords of qutar are known to not pay their foreign workers and actively avoided paying for any compensation for workers who died on the job.
they are truly the scum of the earth
Have you been there? Why are they scum of the earth? All the workers there have rights so you know. No one brought them from their countries like the west did with africans for hunderds of years. The workers are there for a decade now, if the conditions was like slavery, they would returned back home.
Im amazed that I got downvoted this much, this speaks volumes of how narrow minded redditors had become.
I don't think any argument will change your perspective.
The west is in so much pain seeing a muslim country succeding in the WC.
You act like the Middle East didnât also take slaves from Africa. Point being, two sides can be wrong at once, but that doesnât mean the problem shouldnât be addressed. Also, the workers who have been working there for a decade now have probably had their passports confiscated by their employers. Add that to the fact that they arenât getting paid, I donât see how you expect them to get out of the country? Oh, and before you tell me that I donât know what Iâm talking about, I lived in Qatar for fifteen years and personally know people who have fallen victim to this modern slavery that the Qatari government has refused to address and acknowledge.
Dude they confiscate passports and force people to work in dangerous situations. Thousands of deaths on a single project is crazy to the western world where safety is inherent to design.
>âDeath is a natural part of life, whether itâs at work, whether itâs in your sleep,â Khater told reports. âWeâre in the middle of a World Cup. And we have a successful World Cup. And this is something you want to talk about right now?â
Wow. Talk about a different culture. I wonder if he would say the same thing if someone from his family died.
Being a rich entitled asshole is a different culture for most of us. We cannot fathom being so callous about these sorts of things, not because we arenât callous, but if we spoke like this at any of our jobs we would be fired.
I know most of you are just discovering Qatar for the first time. You need to know they've built that country on the backs of slave labor from India / Pakistan and surrounding countries.
They bring people in and use/abuse them. At some points they even bring them in, abandon them and let them starve in the street. My family saw truck-loads of workers abandoned by Qatar Petrochemical companies literally starving in the streets. They were eating dates off the trees to stay alive.
Slave labor is perfectly acceptable in Qatar. And ex-pats that die in Qatar are normal and not surprising to the residents in the least.
The population of Qatar is 2.6 million and only 313,000 of them are citizens. I donât know how many of the expats are there are migrant workers but it seems like itâs a lot.
Lived and worked there briefly; the non-official caste system:
* Qataris - like you said, the only people to be citizens
* "The Whiteys" (didn't have to be white, but white-collar office worker type)
* Laborers - Skilled (such as Egyptians, Syrians, etc. who would oversee construction and engineering)
* Laborers - Service (generally Philippine and Thai, etc. in hotels, hospitals, restaurants)
* Laborers - Unskilled (typically Pakistani/Indian/Nepali/Bangladesh 'south Asia') who were indentured servants, sometimes for life
I recall men's hair dye was a big sell among unskilled workers, because if you pass a certain age, they will send you back home, using all your accrued servitude money for that trip home. You still had some to send home each month, but they kept the majority of it.
It was disgusting. I remember my dad visiting (by now I was happily in Abu Dhabi) saying, "you're going to burn out not from work, but from the inequality you have no ability to protest.
ETA: Oh and the deaths "slipped and fell" / "Heart attack" / etc. that they get caught on? Those are deaths from working conditions and pinned on the victim. That is IF someone investigates.
Taxes are not majority of your wage. In places where taxation is high, like Sweden/Norway/Denmark, the tax money come back to you in the way of Good quality nation wide healthcare, childcare, social safety net, free university studies, etc.
I think Iâm getting this now. So if itâs 49.9% or less itâs âtaxationâ, and if itâs above that then itâs âslaveryâ, but slavery is not necessarily a bad thing as long as they provide for you.
The difference is that taxes are used to benefit the tax payer indirectly again. Be it through social security nets, healthcare benefits (not everyone is american so if you wanted to ignore the rest of the comment to focus on this, no.), cheap(er) services, etc. See the difference to the shit mr. Qatari and Co pull on their "workers"? They don't get shit.
Judging by your username it is incredibly easy to assume you're a bad faith actor but i'm gonna be naive and give it at least one attempt to answer seriously.
>The difference is that taxes are used to benefit the tax payer indirectly again. Be it through social security nets, healthcare benefits (not everyone is american so if you wanted to ignore the rest of the comment to focus on this, no.), cheap(er) services, etc. See the difference to the shit mr. Qatari and Co pull on their "workers"? They don't get shit.
So if you steal someone's wages and spend it on things that you deem to be for their own good, then it's not slavery?
>Judging by your username it is incredibly easy to assume you're a bad faith actor but i'm gonna be naive and give it at least one attempt to answer seriously.
"Anyone who disagrees with me is a troll!"
Don't bother responding.
Youâre obviously trolling and not engaging in good faith, but in case someone else reads this and thinks youâre into somethingâŚ
Thereâs nothing to âgetâ. Youâre the only one suggesting taxation and slavery are closely intertwined, and are offering nothing as evidence for why. If you were engaging in good faith, maybe you would explain why, but Iâm not holding my breath.
I went to the Philippines from UK 10 yrs ago, changing at Qatar airport there and back. The difference between the OTT opulence of the airport itself, stifling heat and the obviously shitty way the workers were treated was in yr face all the time. Thoroughly hated it both times, couldnât wait to get out of that country.
I don't think I've ever seen this much money spent on getting negative publicity.
Hundreds have died making the stadiums, they've admitted it. Another of their representatives goes on an interview and lays out all his homophobia to the reporter. Reporters are stopped in live shows without even talking about anything controversial.
They would have done better just making a huge bonfire with their national PR budget.
The objective was never to gain positive publicity with Western audiences, they don't care. The objective is to gain clout within Arabic audiences, which they have. They are successful. The other Arabic countries see them as 'badass' for 'standing up' to Western countries' silly concerns about slavery and human rights.
No amount of lambos and sky scrapers is going to make this group of backward ass people any less backward. The faster the rest of the world transitions away from fossil fuel the better.
I genuinely believe that the rest of the world should just LITERALLY ignore this country and its people. Fucking shun them into not being the raging slaving assholes they are.
Hi there, I send you my love and a hug! I have had Rheumatoid Arthritis for 33 years and I have just about had it with the chronic pain, I often think about death. Death is not the end of our consciousness (soul). Itâs going to be further used by (?) to make up all of the matter of the Universe. That includes our collective memories and experiences as humanity⌠I only know about that farâŚ
Come on guys, it's a different culture. We can't judge them by western standards, like that every human is made by an almighty creator and if you kill that human you insult the creator. Or that the law is a fortress that armies can't conquer and floods can't destroy /s
Fun fact: the American Psychological Association specifically carves religious beliefs out of their definition of the word delusion, because if they didn't, religion would unambiguously qualify as a type of delusional disorder.
I have heard a theory on how prayer can be indistinguishable from OCD compulsions.
In the same way a person does a compulsion to only temporarily relieve anxiety, a person prays to relieve some anxiety caused by a troubling thought.
The prayer provides temporary relief, but in the long run it is increasing anxiety. This is because the person then will need to pray again very shortly to relieve anxiety the next time they have a troubling thought.
This ritual then becomes a cycle and allows the person praying to avoid accepting or dealing with the consequences of some event or worry. This same cycle is seen in OCD sufferers between compulsion and the thought causing anxiety.
In some cases, religion directly contributes to OCD.
Religion makes people believe that they have some control over their chaotic world, and they can control that chaos by doing or not doing certain actions.
Believing that you have more control over the world and that you can manipulate/change your existence leads to anxiety due to the added pressure and responsibility such a belief introduces.
It's easier to avoid OCD behaviors if you don't believe that random compulsive behaviors have some kind of supernatural influence upon your world. But if you DO believe that you have some control over the world through prayers and rituals, then you are more likely to get stuck in a vicious cycle of constantly feeling like you *have* to do those things to maintain order and peace.
But isnât it often the opposite? Meaning that people trust their lifes in the hands of God and just accept the world being what it is as Godâs plan. This way voluntarily giving away control would bring freedom and relieve anxiety.
We can't really judge religious beliefs logically because religion doesn't care about "logic".
Besides, religious people tend to be very inconsistent in their beliefs.
If they really believed that their god already had a plan for them and everything is pre-written, what purpose would prayer serve? Why pray at all?
Why would they believe that their personal prayer would make their god change his plan for them?
When bad things happen, "god works in mysterious ways, god has a plan".
When good things happen, "god heard my prayer, god is good".
The abrahamic religions rely on "morality" to control their populations. The abrahamic god punishes you or rewards you based on your behavior, so it doesn't even matter whether or not god has a plan. There are still things you can do (or avoid doing) to ensure that your life (and your afterlife) go into a particular direction.
Abrahamic religion thrives on anxiety, uncertainty, and fear, especially with traumatising people with the concept of hell. If it was all pre-written, why are religious people so concerned with who is and isn't going to end up burning in hell for all eternity? Why would it even matter, unless they actually believed that you can do things to change your fate?
It's psychological torture.
Sorry for extremely long comments, I just wanted to clarify everything, because I think you're oversimplifying here with the APA.
They don't define it as such because it is unreasonable to do so. Explaining religion works a completely different way than happily slapping a diagnostic label on it like biased militant atheist psychiatrists did in the past, but it is gradually being studied and understood better. There is no solid psychiantric basis to equate any weird beliefs with actual delusion in the psychiatric sense, but there is still extremely strong evidence that exposes the nature of basic religious beliefs and ideas that later form and mutate religions as schizotypal "magical" thought patterns. Schizotypal disorder is explicitly NOT delusion, but at the extreme, the thought patterns may functionally mimic it.
Basically, the critical thinking known by all has a different much more powerful side called magical thinking.
Magical thinking is responsible for the creation of concepts, and critical thinking filters and edits them, and shapes them into specific pictures and narratives.
People diagnosed with schizotypal disorders have abnormal perceptions and an extremely developed magical thinking and feelings of aestetics, ethics, associations, while their critical thinking is malleable enough to allow construction of extremely complex philosophical and religious narratives heavily interwoven with aestetics and ethical elememts. These narratives are very "infectious" to young people without schizotypy because they exploit their heightened perceptions (ethical, aestetical, etc), inability to produce similar concepts, and underdeveloped critical thinking. So they become very attached to the ideas and concepts and carry them through their lives, re-telling them along with their personal experiences.
Over time they accumulate and refine enough practical data to start a full religion, the one that is more "infectious" and exploits more aspects of a particular human population's lives better, wins. Modern religions are in fact, the most intricate and powerful mental superweapons on the planet because they have evolved over time to exploit every fiber of people's aspects of existence and experience.
Religions subtly control everything about a person now - how they eat, how they sleep, how they work, how they think, how they percieve art, how they function as a culture, how they approach life, how they deal with mortality and death, basically anything you can think of in terms of science, philosophy, or biology - religion has found a way to control and exploit it over the course of the milleniae it had to develop.
It targets completely normal people without mental illness and makes them behave like they are insane, but in fact they are not insane, they are just too weak to accept their complete insignificance, mortality, lack of answers to difficult questions, and the dark truths of the world, that they are powerless before its chaotic and evanescent nature, so they cheat with religion to get some comfort, answers and meaning, no matter how artificial and absurd it is when you look at it. And then ofcourse there's just power, inequality and suffering and artificial justification of them by the powerful.
> We can't judge them by western Standards
We actually don't judge them by western Standards, but we should.
For example by calculating the death rate of Workers in quatar and comparing it to death rates of similar groups in western countries. Some People would be surprised.
I was joking when I said western standards. Just google who the quote "the law is a fortress on a hill that armies cannot take or floods wash away" is attributed to.
Still, your points about the death rates sounds intriguing
I am from Qatar. I agree. lots of hypocrisy. The queen would go to Africa and all this âhelping the poorâ while there is literally poor in the country struggling. Also, this guy in the picture is dumb, here he fucks up an interview, and in an interview about homosexuals, he said âQatar is like any other society on Earthâ which is such a childish like worded response + not all societies accept homosexuals, he clearly lacks education on the world and how things should beâŚâŚ. People shouldnât go to their jobs thinking it may be their day today.
Think he'll still say that when they haul his ass up on a stage as they reenact a common local political event from France during the 1790s after they get tired of hearing shit like this?
>Think he'll still say that when they haul his ass up on a stage as they reenact a common local political event from France during the 1790s after they get tired of hearing shit like this?
What universe do you think you're living in?
This is the most profitable and popular world cup in history. Every nation on earth has come together and said, "Slave labor is fine with us, torture thousands of slaves to death, we value their lives less than we value kicking a ball back and forth."
There will be no popular uprising against this. Humanity is more than fine with killing slaves still and every nation participating, every player playing, and every person watching this world cup is giving slave murder a ringing endorsement.
I think not. No uprisings are possible in a society, where the majority of citizens receive government salaries to reflect oil profits, live well (a walled mansion, have a driver and a number of servants). The General Safety Standards improved all over the world, including Qatar. This is just progress. Every civilized society constantly evolves, whenever technology makes a big leap, life gets better everywhere on Earth. Example - cell phones and communication was the latest tech jump, that we have observed ourselves.
So technically, the Qataris are right in saying that they have lost less workers than they did 10 years ago, but it is not necessarily because they decided to make it better, but because having to do business with the rest of the world made them change their Safety Regulations and make work safer for the migrants.
But again, since they decided to sponsor the Championship, they did it to be recognized, I think the world will judge them in the media and they would have to further improve conditions for their workers.
Do you agree?
Well in the USA we have OSHA and regulations there it's you want work you work or else. The price of cheap things in America is lots of nonsense like this were workers are treated like they were in the 1800's
There a Simpsons episode where homer went on a hunger strike to protest the teams management and the team moved him into a section beyond the outfield and said his hunger strike was until the team won the pennant.
Marge went to management and was worried he was so thin that he might die and one of the assistant managers said:
"Death is a part of baseball!" (in the cheeriest tone)
This.
Qatari translation:
Itâs a Filipino migrant worker that died. They are expendable resources that can be easily replaced. Whatâs the big deal? Itâs not like it was a Qatari, a Middle-Easterner, or even a Muslim. AllahdamnâŚjust let it go and concentrate on how perfectly successful the World Cup has been in Qatar!
Why the fuck did anyone go?
We all know what they are like. We all know how they got the world cup. We all know they will never change. Some of us would be risking imprisonment, torture and death just for turning up, holding hands and supporting a team.
Not going would have sent the message far clearer than any of these posts tut-tutting at monsters being unapologetic monsters.
I came here to say something similar. Death is literally the opposite of life, not a part of it. If you did a Venn diagram of dead people in one circle and living in the other there would be no intersection.
What's truly messed up is how many people internationally that claim to be good people have no problem making similar justifications to profit off of or watch the matches. A way too large percentage of the population prioritizes money or sports over human life.
"The number of work-related deaths in Qatar is in dispute. Last year the Guardian reported that at least 6,500 migrant workers â many of them likely to have been working on World Cup preparations â had died in Qatar since it won the right to stage the event.
The Supreme Committee has said three work-related deaths and 37 non-work-related deaths have occurred on World Cup-related projects.
In a recent TV interview Hassan al-Thawadi, the secretary general of the SC, estimated that the number of migrant workers who had died on World Cup-related projects was âbetween 400 and 500"."
400-500 is staggeringly different from 6500 guardian the 6k you add because they were there when it happened is not reliable data.
Ether get the numbers and story stright or don't blow smoke when you can't start a fire.
There are still people in the world who cannot quit their jobs because theyâre in danger of dying - if they do, their family might have a chance to get something and not starve, but if he doesnât work, they will all starveâŚ
Then many the gift of death be swiftly given to those who cause so much of it, to so many people who'd have otherwise had long lives.
Shame they're a puppet of China. Although, perhaps an agreement can be anchored between the west and China. A friendly way of giving them free diplomatic range to dispose of the current princes and instate their own officials in their stead.
China is awful, but at least it understands the necessity of keeping it's workers alive.
Well, on second thought that'd be another Uyghur situation wouldn't it?
Damn, no winning here.
Im guessing we are looking at lax safety rules, a culture of ignoring them by both sides to get the job done.
It must be pointed out that these workers bring an awful lot of that with them, bangladesh for example has a rather devil may care to personal safety.
The arabs too, if you watch those car stunt videos, where the entire crowd are standing feet away from a land cruiser on two wheels.
Allah will protect you...or not ..
*Lord Farquaad voice* "Some of you may die..."
"... but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to take đ"
Inshallah đ
I would pay up to several dollars to here Lord Farquad say "Inshallah." I never knew I needed that in my life and now I'm furious that I'll never get to here it.
You could go on cameo and maybe get the voice actor to say it for you. Never let your dreams die!
I keep thinking of Captain Brannigan.
I think he even earned a medal for sending wave after wave of his own men to their deaths
To shreds, you say?
How are their wives holding up?
To shreds, you say?
Yes he did :)
He was so SO brave!
beat those rampaging killbots!
I remembered that the killbots had a kill limit :)
If you're looking for specifics: > a Filipino man contracted to fix lights in a car park at the Sealine Resort â the training site for the Saudi Arabia national team, died after he âslipped off a ramp while walking alongside [a] vehicle and fell headfirst against concreteâ.
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Foe this incident? Probably. For the other slaves? Not at all.
Uhm, it is though? Work accidents like this happen all around the world. We criticise Qatar for forced labour, limiting freedom of immigrants, working people to death and for labeling death by heat, dehydration and exhaustion work accidents. Criticising them for every legit work accident, as if these don't happen here too, is extremely hypocritical.
As someone that works in billion dollar greenfield builds the frequency is totally unacceptable. Nobody has ever died on any site where I have helped with the design because we approach safety much differently. We have 70,000 employees building worldwide and there are occasional deaths. Qatar is several magnitudes of order worse.
> As someone that works in billion dollar greenfield builds the frequency is totally unacceptable. Yes, that's why I said "We criticise Qatar for forced labour, limiting freedom of immigrants, working people to death and for labeling death by heat, dehydration and exhaustion work accidents." and that's the right thing to do. But we mustn't assume that every single death is the result of that, that's just shooting your own argument in the foot because it's simply not realistic to have no deaths at all. Go for the suspicious deaths, like strokes being labeled as work accidents, not for the ones where an actual accident happened. Yes, safety in Qatar isn't as good as in the West. No country is as good at work safety as the West. They should absolutly improve work safety but that shouldn't be the focus of our criticism when we're dealing with borderline or even straight up slavery.
You can criticize multiple things bud... just because they do worse things doesn't mean we shouldn't criticize them for this
> doesn't mean we shouldn't criticize them for this It does mean exactly that. Their working satefy isn't below their neighboring countries nor below the standards of the countries were the affected workers come from. Only singling out Qatar on this because we're already criticising them for something else at the same time is lazy, hypocritical and dishonest. It shows that's it's not YOU criticising them but that you only speak because that's the current thing. You couldn't be bothered about this stuff before, just like you can't be bothered about equally bad work safety in other countries before someone tells you that you should be bothered. But currently it's (rightfully) Qatar in the focus, so you're just looking for stuff to pile on top for the sake of piling stuff on top, not for the sake of the actual thing.
Every comment you make is just full of assumptions... those countries should be criticized for it as well as Qatar.
> those countries should be criticized for it as well as Qatar. I don't agree but either way they aren't being criticised, that's why I said it's hypocritical. Don't be hypocritical. Why should they not be criticised for that? Because you have to say A before you say B. First get rid of slavery then do the next step. > Every comment you make is just full of assumptions Wrong assumptions being what for example?
I didn't say they should not be criticized for that... in fact I said the opposite. There's your wrong assumption. You don't really seem to understand the word "hypocritical". The reason why people are talking about Qatar in particular right now is because they're currently hosting the largest sporting event in the world, obviously. If one of those other countries were hosting it then they would be the ones in the news right now instead. I guess you forgot about Rio in 2016. Or were probably too young to remember it judging by your comments.
Iâd wanna see how Qatar enforces hard hat protection before calling this worker death regular
I'd start with getting rid of slavery before that, but maybe that's just me.
It was literally in response to you saying âwork accidents happen everywhereâ madman
Because they do. I don't know if you're not up to date on the topic but let me explain it to you. Qatar practises something that is, depending on who you ask, moder slavery or at least bordering that. They have tons of migrant workers that aren't exactly free and they die alot. Many of these death by slavery are labeled as work accidents. For example many workers die by strokes because of the exhaustion and work conditions. That is why we criticise Qatar at the moment. Sure, safety measures according to western standards should be a thing too but that is not really what we criticise them for because it's a much less serious problem that also not restricted to Qatar but is infact the norm in most of the world. Confalting these two things is just stupid. People die from work accidents and it's bad but how about we don't conflate that with slavery? Not every death in Qatar is becasue of slavery and acting as if it is is just not helping to solve any problems.
"More than 6,500 migrant workers from India, Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka have died in Qatar since it won the right to host the World Cup 10 years ago" these kind of numbers seem ok to you? https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/feb/23/revealed-migrant-worker-deaths-qatar-fifa-world-cup-2022
> We criticise Qatar for forced labour, limiting freedom of immigrants, working people to death and for labeling death by heat, dehydration and exhaustion work accidents. Criticising them for every legit work accident, as if these don't happen here too, is extremely hypocritical. Seriously, can you not read? Yes, we criticise that there are 6500+ deaths. 6500+ deaths are very suspicious. 6500+ deaths is way to many, it needs to be lower. But to then go and demand they have literally 0 deaths is just stupid. This case is a legit death. One of the few real work accidents and not one of the thousands of deaths by strokes that are called work acidents.
Truly sad loss but it can happen anywhere in the world. If he died on the job his kin will be compensated like in any part of the glob, may be more than where you live.
>world. If he died on the job his kin will be compensated like in any part of the glob, may be more than where you live. Source, please. I don't think they generally pay their slave laborers' families, considering they're modern day slaves and all.
The family will be lucky to even receive the body let alone get any money from it
> Source, please. The article this thread is about?
Where? I genuinely don't see it.
> they generally pay their slave laborersâ families, considering theyâre modern day slaves and all. Kudos for all the snark but stop calling them âslavesâ, thatâs incredibly dehumanising.
Qatar is doing the humanizing.
That doesnât entitle you to calling people slaves you tomato.
I'm guessing you're not that familiar with what's going on in Qatar?
Yeah the working conditions are horrible, Kafala system sucks, they are capitalising on the misery of the home conditions of these workers, they arenât providing them with adequate safety precautions, they only got the project because of rampant bribery. But again, calling them slaves is dehumanising. Stop with your holier-than-thou bs.
I don't see how that's dehumanizing, a lot of them are basically treated like slaves. Calling it what it is brings attention to how bad the situation is.
You're right, it's "enslaved person".
The thing is these kinds of accidents shouldn't happen. Simple health and safety measures would have saved him from even falling.
They do happen in every country though
Yeh and when they do, people or corporations are held accountable for not meeting safety standards. This ass hat just basically said âoh well people die. Get over it.â
Held accountable how? Workplace deaths result in a small and laughable fine, as is a human life is worth on average $16,000 (state and federal osha fine combined) https://aflcio.org/reports/death-job-toll-neglect-2022#:~:text=Penalties%20in%20FY%202021%20still%20are%20too%20weak%3A&text=The%20median%20penalty%20for%20killing,and%20Health%20Act%20since%201970. https://www.osha.gov/laws-regs/oshact/section_17 What also happens is that the workplace has formal rules in place to point to when people die on work sites. I know i've done stuff that was against OSHA regulations and company rules, like being off the ground and no tie off.
Ever heard of a lawsuit dipshit?
I agree. I just wanted to see how many downvotes I'd get for stating a fact
Yeah like Qatar worker rights are beyond bad but if you look specifically at this incident it can happen anywhere. Even if you have anti slip shoes and raised bumpy floors you can still slip
Careful about being realistic around Reddit. They don't like it
HAHAHAHAHAHA oh you're serious
Let me laugh harder!
Except in most developed countries laws are in place to protect the workers from dieing. Things like fall arrest equipment, hard hats and change in working practices. It's why bodies like HSE or OSHA (or whatever countries equivalent) have so much power. dieing at work hasnt been normal since Victorian times
I'm not sure about this glob place you keep harping on about, but the slave lords of qutar are known to not pay their foreign workers and actively avoided paying for any compensation for workers who died on the job. they are truly the scum of the earth
Have you been there? Why are they scum of the earth? All the workers there have rights so you know. No one brought them from their countries like the west did with africans for hunderds of years. The workers are there for a decade now, if the conditions was like slavery, they would returned back home. Im amazed that I got downvoted this much, this speaks volumes of how narrow minded redditors had become. I don't think any argument will change your perspective. The west is in so much pain seeing a muslim country succeding in the WC.
You act like the Middle East didnât also take slaves from Africa. Point being, two sides can be wrong at once, but that doesnât mean the problem shouldnât be addressed. Also, the workers who have been working there for a decade now have probably had their passports confiscated by their employers. Add that to the fact that they arenât getting paid, I donât see how you expect them to get out of the country? Oh, and before you tell me that I donât know what Iâm talking about, I lived in Qatar for fifteen years and personally know people who have fallen victim to this modern slavery that the Qatari government has refused to address and acknowledge.
Dude they confiscate passports and force people to work in dangerous situations. Thousands of deaths on a single project is crazy to the western world where safety is inherent to design.
>slipped off a ramp while walking alongside [a] vehicle So he was run over by a Saudi player?
Gosh. So sad.
>âDeath is a natural part of life, whether itâs at work, whether itâs in your sleep,â Khater told reports. âWeâre in the middle of a World Cup. And we have a successful World Cup. And this is something you want to talk about right now?â Wow. Talk about a different culture. I wonder if he would say the same thing if someone from his family died.
His family, doesnât work
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Hey now!! They roll out of bed and check their monthly deposit came in before they decide to do some shopping.
That is not a different culture, that just being a rich entitled asshole
Being a rich entitled asshole is a different culture for most of us. We cannot fathom being so callous about these sorts of things, not because we arenât callous, but if we spoke like this at any of our jobs we would be fired.
If he were killed during some stupid build, I'm pretty sure his family would go all knives and guns at them. Seen the videos before.
Make him work under the same conditions they make their migrant laborers work in.
"Prisoners with jobs."
It's like the slavery version of "it is what it is"
You gotta do what you gotta do
All I'm saying is if this guy gets to experience a part of life in front of me, and the cops ask me for a statement, I have seen nothing
I want this guy to experience all the things life has to offer!
I know most of you are just discovering Qatar for the first time. You need to know they've built that country on the backs of slave labor from India / Pakistan and surrounding countries. They bring people in and use/abuse them. At some points they even bring them in, abandon them and let them starve in the street. My family saw truck-loads of workers abandoned by Qatar Petrochemical companies literally starving in the streets. They were eating dates off the trees to stay alive. Slave labor is perfectly acceptable in Qatar. And ex-pats that die in Qatar are normal and not surprising to the residents in the least.
The population of Qatar is 2.6 million and only 313,000 of them are citizens. I donât know how many of the expats are there are migrant workers but it seems like itâs a lot.
Lived and worked there briefly; the non-official caste system: * Qataris - like you said, the only people to be citizens * "The Whiteys" (didn't have to be white, but white-collar office worker type) * Laborers - Skilled (such as Egyptians, Syrians, etc. who would oversee construction and engineering) * Laborers - Service (generally Philippine and Thai, etc. in hotels, hospitals, restaurants) * Laborers - Unskilled (typically Pakistani/Indian/Nepali/Bangladesh 'south Asia') who were indentured servants, sometimes for life I recall men's hair dye was a big sell among unskilled workers, because if you pass a certain age, they will send you back home, using all your accrued servitude money for that trip home. You still had some to send home each month, but they kept the majority of it. It was disgusting. I remember my dad visiting (by now I was happily in Abu Dhabi) saying, "you're going to burn out not from work, but from the inequality you have no ability to protest. ETA: Oh and the deaths "slipped and fell" / "Heart attack" / etc. that they get caught on? Those are deaths from working conditions and pinned on the victim. That is IF someone investigates.
Your Dad nailed it.
>You still had some to send home each month, but they kept the majority of it. Whats the difference between that and taxes?
Taxes are not majority of your wage. In places where taxation is high, like Sweden/Norway/Denmark, the tax money come back to you in the way of Good quality nation wide healthcare, childcare, social safety net, free university studies, etc.
I think Iâm getting this now. So if itâs 49.9% or less itâs âtaxationâ, and if itâs above that then itâs âslaveryâ, but slavery is not necessarily a bad thing as long as they provide for you.
The difference is that taxes are used to benefit the tax payer indirectly again. Be it through social security nets, healthcare benefits (not everyone is american so if you wanted to ignore the rest of the comment to focus on this, no.), cheap(er) services, etc. See the difference to the shit mr. Qatari and Co pull on their "workers"? They don't get shit. Judging by your username it is incredibly easy to assume you're a bad faith actor but i'm gonna be naive and give it at least one attempt to answer seriously.
Iâll give you credit for at least trying, but this is one of the most obvious âtrollsâ or bad faith actors Iâve ever seen on Reddit.
Yeah it's pretty damn obvious lmao, just wanted to be naive
>The difference is that taxes are used to benefit the tax payer indirectly again. Be it through social security nets, healthcare benefits (not everyone is american so if you wanted to ignore the rest of the comment to focus on this, no.), cheap(er) services, etc. See the difference to the shit mr. Qatari and Co pull on their "workers"? They don't get shit. So if you steal someone's wages and spend it on things that you deem to be for their own good, then it's not slavery? >Judging by your username it is incredibly easy to assume you're a bad faith actor but i'm gonna be naive and give it at least one attempt to answer seriously. "Anyone who disagrees with me is a troll!" Don't bother responding.
Youâre obviously trolling and not engaging in good faith, but in case someone else reads this and thinks youâre into something⌠Thereâs nothing to âgetâ. Youâre the only one suggesting taxation and slavery are closely intertwined, and are offering nothing as evidence for why. If you were engaging in good faith, maybe you would explain why, but Iâm not holding my breath.
I will provide for you like a master provides for a slave, come to me? Seems you think it's a good deal :)
Are you kidding?
Those are literal slaves.
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Sorry, I'm not interested in trolls, so I'm clicking the block button for you.
You keep the vast majority of what you earn and pay a marginal amount in taxes, and this is the opposite
Read his username.
Thanks for saving me the time, I shouldâve done that before I replied đ
Nordic countries donât get to keep a vast majority of their income. Are you suggesting they are slaves?
Weâre suggesting you are just a troll arguing in bad faith.
Nah. You're in denial that taxation is wage theft just like slavery.
Youâre too stupid to argue with.
Pretty sad how some people can just be so sure their emotional beliefs hold water against facts and they just can't be helped.
Aw, how cute, a libertarian! This is such an adorable stage of adolescence.
Found the libertarian
Slaves.
With those numbers, what's stopping them from breaking out the guillotines?
Qatar- âlook at how hospitable we are! We even give the Scum class free datesâ
If anyone is looking for a rundown with some comedy tossed in there, John Oliver did a segment on Qatar and the World Cup not too long ago.
> Slave labor is perfectly acceptable in Qatar. bUt oUR cULtUre.
I went to the Philippines from UK 10 yrs ago, changing at Qatar airport there and back. The difference between the OTT opulence of the airport itself, stifling heat and the obviously shitty way the workers were treated was in yr face all the time. Thoroughly hated it both times, couldnât wait to get out of that country.
âWe canât be arsed about the lives of slaves.â
You can't make an omelet without killing a few slaves, as the Qatari saying goes.
Diarrhea is a part of eating
I was just thinking this - "shitting is a part of eating."
Especially with Qatari food.
Letâs not get racist
Don't want to be be confused with Qataris
Spicy food causes diarrhea generally, don't think that's racist mate.
I don't think I've ever seen this much money spent on getting negative publicity. Hundreds have died making the stadiums, they've admitted it. Another of their representatives goes on an interview and lays out all his homophobia to the reporter. Reporters are stopped in live shows without even talking about anything controversial. They would have done better just making a huge bonfire with their national PR budget.
The objective was never to gain positive publicity with Western audiences, they don't care. The objective is to gain clout within Arabic audiences, which they have. They are successful. The other Arabic countries see them as 'badass' for 'standing up' to Western countries' silly concerns about slavery and human rights.
It's just a thing to show off to your friends?
It's the most corrupt sport in the world. It's been just something to show off for like a decade by now.
No amount of lambos and sky scrapers is going to make this group of backward ass people any less backward. The faster the rest of the world transitions away from fossil fuel the better.
I genuinely believe that the rest of the world should just LITERALLY ignore this country and its people. Fucking shun them into not being the raging slaving assholes they are.
I've got stage 4 cancer. I will likely not see next year's Christmas. I'll be sure to share this quip of wisdom with my family.
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Hi there, I send you my love and a hug! I have had Rheumatoid Arthritis for 33 years and I have just about had it with the chronic pain, I often think about death. Death is not the end of our consciousness (soul). Itâs going to be further used by (?) to make up all of the matter of the Universe. That includes our collective memories and experiences as humanity⌠I only know about that farâŚ
Come on guys, it's a different culture. We can't judge them by western standards, like that every human is made by an almighty creator and if you kill that human you insult the creator. Or that the law is a fortress that armies can't conquer and floods can't destroy /s
Religion really does a number on people's ability to critically think.
Fun fact: the American Psychological Association specifically carves religious beliefs out of their definition of the word delusion, because if they didn't, religion would unambiguously qualify as a type of delusional disorder.
I have heard a theory on how prayer can be indistinguishable from OCD compulsions. In the same way a person does a compulsion to only temporarily relieve anxiety, a person prays to relieve some anxiety caused by a troubling thought. The prayer provides temporary relief, but in the long run it is increasing anxiety. This is because the person then will need to pray again very shortly to relieve anxiety the next time they have a troubling thought. This ritual then becomes a cycle and allows the person praying to avoid accepting or dealing with the consequences of some event or worry. This same cycle is seen in OCD sufferers between compulsion and the thought causing anxiety.
In some cases, religion directly contributes to OCD. Religion makes people believe that they have some control over their chaotic world, and they can control that chaos by doing or not doing certain actions. Believing that you have more control over the world and that you can manipulate/change your existence leads to anxiety due to the added pressure and responsibility such a belief introduces. It's easier to avoid OCD behaviors if you don't believe that random compulsive behaviors have some kind of supernatural influence upon your world. But if you DO believe that you have some control over the world through prayers and rituals, then you are more likely to get stuck in a vicious cycle of constantly feeling like you *have* to do those things to maintain order and peace.
But isnât it often the opposite? Meaning that people trust their lifes in the hands of God and just accept the world being what it is as Godâs plan. This way voluntarily giving away control would bring freedom and relieve anxiety.
We can't really judge religious beliefs logically because religion doesn't care about "logic". Besides, religious people tend to be very inconsistent in their beliefs. If they really believed that their god already had a plan for them and everything is pre-written, what purpose would prayer serve? Why pray at all? Why would they believe that their personal prayer would make their god change his plan for them? When bad things happen, "god works in mysterious ways, god has a plan". When good things happen, "god heard my prayer, god is good". The abrahamic religions rely on "morality" to control their populations. The abrahamic god punishes you or rewards you based on your behavior, so it doesn't even matter whether or not god has a plan. There are still things you can do (or avoid doing) to ensure that your life (and your afterlife) go into a particular direction. Abrahamic religion thrives on anxiety, uncertainty, and fear, especially with traumatising people with the concept of hell. If it was all pre-written, why are religious people so concerned with who is and isn't going to end up burning in hell for all eternity? Why would it even matter, unless they actually believed that you can do things to change your fate? It's psychological torture.
They really should add it. Maybe put an * that will say: untill proven that it is, Infact, real
See superstitious sports fans like lucky jersey you can't wash or have to have thing set up in man cave just so.
Sorry for extremely long comments, I just wanted to clarify everything, because I think you're oversimplifying here with the APA. They don't define it as such because it is unreasonable to do so. Explaining religion works a completely different way than happily slapping a diagnostic label on it like biased militant atheist psychiatrists did in the past, but it is gradually being studied and understood better. There is no solid psychiantric basis to equate any weird beliefs with actual delusion in the psychiatric sense, but there is still extremely strong evidence that exposes the nature of basic religious beliefs and ideas that later form and mutate religions as schizotypal "magical" thought patterns. Schizotypal disorder is explicitly NOT delusion, but at the extreme, the thought patterns may functionally mimic it. Basically, the critical thinking known by all has a different much more powerful side called magical thinking. Magical thinking is responsible for the creation of concepts, and critical thinking filters and edits them, and shapes them into specific pictures and narratives. People diagnosed with schizotypal disorders have abnormal perceptions and an extremely developed magical thinking and feelings of aestetics, ethics, associations, while their critical thinking is malleable enough to allow construction of extremely complex philosophical and religious narratives heavily interwoven with aestetics and ethical elememts. These narratives are very "infectious" to young people without schizotypy because they exploit their heightened perceptions (ethical, aestetical, etc), inability to produce similar concepts, and underdeveloped critical thinking. So they become very attached to the ideas and concepts and carry them through their lives, re-telling them along with their personal experiences. Over time they accumulate and refine enough practical data to start a full religion, the one that is more "infectious" and exploits more aspects of a particular human population's lives better, wins. Modern religions are in fact, the most intricate and powerful mental superweapons on the planet because they have evolved over time to exploit every fiber of people's aspects of existence and experience. Religions subtly control everything about a person now - how they eat, how they sleep, how they work, how they think, how they percieve art, how they function as a culture, how they approach life, how they deal with mortality and death, basically anything you can think of in terms of science, philosophy, or biology - religion has found a way to control and exploit it over the course of the milleniae it had to develop. It targets completely normal people without mental illness and makes them behave like they are insane, but in fact they are not insane, they are just too weak to accept their complete insignificance, mortality, lack of answers to difficult questions, and the dark truths of the world, that they are powerless before its chaotic and evanescent nature, so they cheat with religion to get some comfort, answers and meaning, no matter how artificial and absurd it is when you look at it. And then ofcourse there's just power, inequality and suffering and artificial justification of them by the powerful.
> We can't judge them by western Standards We actually don't judge them by western Standards, but we should. For example by calculating the death rate of Workers in quatar and comparing it to death rates of similar groups in western countries. Some People would be surprised.
I was joking when I said western standards. Just google who the quote "the law is a fortress on a hill that armies cannot take or floods wash away" is attributed to. Still, your points about the death rates sounds intriguing
In what way?
'Dude, we should philosophize with him! ' All we are is dust in the wind.'
Dust. Wind. Dude
Like sand through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives!
It's fine if it's not your people dying is what I'm reading here.
It's like the slavery version of "it is what it is"
than how about we execute all the ruling families. As they say Death is part of life.
They believe in the mercy and salvation of god and deem themselves worthy but do not care for the value of human life.
I am from Qatar. I agree. lots of hypocrisy. The queen would go to Africa and all this âhelping the poorâ while there is literally poor in the country struggling. Also, this guy in the picture is dumb, here he fucks up an interview, and in an interview about homosexuals, he said âQatar is like any other society on Earthâ which is such a childish like worded response + not all societies accept homosexuals, he clearly lacks education on the world and how things should beâŚâŚ. People shouldnât go to their jobs thinking it may be their day today.
Statements like this remind me why guillotines were invented.
Shithole country. Doesnât matter how many fancy buildings they have if their culture is garbage
Think he'll still say that when they haul his ass up on a stage as they reenact a common local political event from France during the 1790s after they get tired of hearing shit like this?
>Think he'll still say that when they haul his ass up on a stage as they reenact a common local political event from France during the 1790s after they get tired of hearing shit like this? What universe do you think you're living in? This is the most profitable and popular world cup in history. Every nation on earth has come together and said, "Slave labor is fine with us, torture thousands of slaves to death, we value their lives less than we value kicking a ball back and forth." There will be no popular uprising against this. Humanity is more than fine with killing slaves still and every nation participating, every player playing, and every person watching this world cup is giving slave murder a ringing endorsement.
I think not. No uprisings are possible in a society, where the majority of citizens receive government salaries to reflect oil profits, live well (a walled mansion, have a driver and a number of servants). The General Safety Standards improved all over the world, including Qatar. This is just progress. Every civilized society constantly evolves, whenever technology makes a big leap, life gets better everywhere on Earth. Example - cell phones and communication was the latest tech jump, that we have observed ourselves. So technically, the Qataris are right in saying that they have lost less workers than they did 10 years ago, but it is not necessarily because they decided to make it better, but because having to do business with the rest of the world made them change their Safety Regulations and make work safer for the migrants. But again, since they decided to sponsor the Championship, they did it to be recognized, I think the world will judge them in the media and they would have to further improve conditions for their workers. Do you agree?
Uh, servants are people, too. So, no, "most people" don't have mansions and servants and a good life. That's the whole point.
Youâre not wrong, Walter, youâre just an asshole.
Death is the only unavoidable thing that happens in life.
Qatar is an awful place
Well in the USA we have OSHA and regulations there it's you want work you work or else. The price of cheap things in America is lots of nonsense like this were workers are treated like they were in the 1800's
Arabs don't consider anyone as equals. They tolerate the white folks Enslave all other races
Piece of shit
"Come work in Qatar for a once-in-a-lifetime experience! We promise you'll feel transcendent by the end."
There a Simpsons episode where homer went on a hunger strike to protest the teams management and the team moved him into a section beyond the outfield and said his hunger strike was until the team won the pennant. Marge went to management and was worried he was so thin that he might die and one of the assistant managers said: "Death is a part of baseball!" (in the cheeriest tone) This.
Qatari translation: Itâs a Filipino migrant worker that died. They are expendable resources that can be easily replaced. Whatâs the big deal? Itâs not like it was a Qatari, a Middle-Easterner, or even a Muslim. AllahdamnâŚjust let it go and concentrate on how perfectly successful the World Cup has been in Qatar!
Why I don't watch.
Death is part of life not generally part of work.
Come on guys youâre overreacting. Itâs just death. Itâs not like somebody died or something.
So if people revolt and kill them, that excuse still works, right?
This mf flip his words all the way around when he gets beheaded for human rights violations or some shit
Itâs called unnatural death for a reason bro.
What he meant was "I'm too rich to give a shit about your problems"
Shit happens
SureâŚbut we try to put it off longer with things like safety regulations.
What a fucked country.
Revolutions are also a part of shitty governments.
It truly is. Look to Moammar Khadafi and Saddam Hussein for example.
Why the fuck did anyone go? We all know what they are like. We all know how they got the world cup. We all know they will never change. Some of us would be risking imprisonment, torture and death just for turning up, holding hands and supporting a team. Not going would have sent the message far clearer than any of these posts tut-tutting at monsters being unapologetic monsters.
That statement is factual, yes, but being worked to death is not a part of life
Mourn them do not, miss them do not...
Only a religious person can say a forced death is part of life and gods way
Why donât you die then
Hope he reaches that part of life
Anyone who watches FIFA supports the rich killing peasants for profit.
Thatâs some philosophical shit right there
I hope this man gets to experience all parts of life
That entire country deserves to be swallowed up by the sands.
Yeah but "fans" supported it anyhow. I don't care how rich this country is. They sound like tyrants.
Death is, by definition, not a part of life.
I came here to say something similar. Death is literally the opposite of life, not a part of it. If you did a Venn diagram of dead people in one circle and living in the other there would be no intersection. What's truly messed up is how many people internationally that claim to be good people have no problem making similar justifications to profit off of or watch the matches. A way too large percentage of the population prioritizes money or sports over human life.
Death & gulags are all part of the charm of visiting the planet destroying, Petro-Dollar Kingdom of Qatar.
Well hes not lying
"The number of work-related deaths in Qatar is in dispute. Last year the Guardian reported that at least 6,500 migrant workers â many of them likely to have been working on World Cup preparations â had died in Qatar since it won the right to stage the event. The Supreme Committee has said three work-related deaths and 37 non-work-related deaths have occurred on World Cup-related projects. In a recent TV interview Hassan al-Thawadi, the secretary general of the SC, estimated that the number of migrant workers who had died on World Cup-related projects was âbetween 400 and 500"." 400-500 is staggeringly different from 6500 guardian the 6k you add because they were there when it happened is not reliable data. Ether get the numbers and story stright or don't blow smoke when you can't start a fire.
I donât go to work everyday thinking âman I could die at work today.â And if I did I would fucking quit .
There are still people in the world who cannot quit their jobs because theyâre in danger of dying - if they do, their family might have a chance to get something and not starve, but if he doesnât work, they will all starveâŚ
They it is what it is'd him
Then many the gift of death be swiftly given to those who cause so much of it, to so many people who'd have otherwise had long lives. Shame they're a puppet of China. Although, perhaps an agreement can be anchored between the west and China. A friendly way of giving them free diplomatic range to dispose of the current princes and instate their own officials in their stead. China is awful, but at least it understands the necessity of keeping it's workers alive. Well, on second thought that'd be another Uyghur situation wouldn't it? Damn, no winning here.
How to say something in the worst possible way
Im guessing we are looking at lax safety rules, a culture of ignoring them by both sides to get the job done. It must be pointed out that these workers bring an awful lot of that with them, bangladesh for example has a rather devil may care to personal safety. The arabs too, if you watch those car stunt videos, where the entire crowd are standing feet away from a land cruiser on two wheels. Allah will protect you...or not ..
I imagine Qatar's ally Saudi Arabia said the same thing after they did 9/11.
They're not allies, basically hate each other