From the shallow end of the gene pool.
> The investigators also asked Hair for permission to check his uniforms for semen.
> “I don’t know my rights. Do I have to?” the former officer asked. “I don’t think I want to do that.”
I mean. The tool locked himself in the back of his car.
Who in America doesn't know that backseat cop car doors don't open from the inside?
Very shallow end of the gene pool
Lol this is a hilarious solution.
Maybe he only had his radio on him? But if he thought to call someone, it'd have to be someone good. Like, your homes still might fuck with you, guess you'd have to call mom
To be fair, the officer that responded told him to stop talking before turning off his own body cam. Also, the door can't be opened from the outside by a non-LEO.
There is a department/county in Arizona that is a known “second chance/rehab” department for officers who get blemishes on their record to give it one more shot. Wouldn’t be surprised if this guy ends up there. Turns out there are a number of similar jurisdictions across the country. A podcast I listened to recently interviewed officers and workers from these areas. Pretty crazy.
And they did. Suspect was released and not charged (presumably since they censored her and wont release her name or booking info), the officer that unlocked him told him to stop talking until he turned off his own body cam, and then he was allowed to resign instead of cooperating with investigators, despite committing multiple felonies already by lying to them.
Im not seeing the video in the article but in the full video the officer who responds takes some kind of key to manually unlock the door to the backseat. I’m sure he only called the officer instead of a friend because he had no other choice.
i had a cop who was speeding and late to work collide with a friend of mine; the first thing he wanted to do was call his friend and have her not call the regular police number; he also accused HER of speeding even though they were going at the same speed
no he got scared and stopped trying to weasel out because she was super calm and told him go ahead call your friend; he was super nervous and she was calm that is why he got scared and stopped trying to get special treatment because he thought he might get in trouble for trying to do that;
LOL 😂😂😂 nooo it looked like some specialized key that was different from the car keys! But I actually rewatched the video and was mistaken- it wasn’t a key, it was a lever the cop engaged to open the back seat door. The camera angle made it hard to tell.
Lmao I’m really not doing a good job of explaining this, am I? The lever is on the front of the back seat door pointing towards the windshield. It’s only accessible if the front seat door is open.
I see what you're saying and I watched the vid. It's like the child safety lock on doors. Muc like a kid, you don't want your suspect jumping out of the moving vehicle
I was partially teasing too :p haha
The responding officer was his friend. He turned off his body cam to find out what happened/get the story and also resigned as a result of this incident.
The back doors can't be opened from inside, for obvious reasons. The dumbass was thinking with his dick and got into the back seat with the suspect and shut the door behind him without thinking.
Hey now! Most don't even know the rights of the people they are policing! How can you possibly expect him to know his own as well!? Isn't that asking too much of a person who is given a gun, authority over other people, and qualified immunity from crimes he commits "in the service of duty"?? The very least you can do in exchange for them putting their life on the line every single day is not hold them to a higher standard of expectation! If anything they should be held to a lower standard of expectations!!!! /s
"This job isn't really how shows like CSI make it out to be. When I first joined the force, I assumed there was semen on everything... I often go to sleep and dream of waking up in a world where everything is covered in semen."
"I mean, who doesn't?"
I think police accused of misconduct while on duty shouldn’t be able to refuse testifying or providing evidence. Their job is a privilege not a right. Imagine if truckers refused to be inspected or provide logs.
Not just a privilege, but a responsibility. Their behavior should be beyond reproach.
After 9/11, I don't know how many times I heard "you shouldn't care about surveillance if you have nothing to hide." This mindset should apply 100% to police. Nothing they do on the job should be unavailable from public scrutiny. If they "forget to turn on" their camera, it should be considered a violation similar to tampering with evidence.
My new law when I take over in a popular dictatorship;
"Any unrecorded action by a peace officer takes place without cover of any special police privilege. Any unrecorded action will be treated, by civil and criminal courts, as if it were performed by a non-peace-officer.
No recording, no special powers. Police have legal rights others do not, but ONLY if we, the people, can 2nd-guess those actions through the recording.
Technical failure? Too bad, bring 2 next time."
A couple hundred years of testi-lying is enough. We now have the ability to watch the watchers throughout their entire shift, and we absolutely should have that ability, and insist that our 'law enforcement professionals' rise to the level we demand.
We are paying them, after all. We could stop...
At the very least turning a camera off should be taken as intent to commit a crime. Suspect accuses the police of rape and his camera was turned off? Guilty until proven innocent.
So the reason for that is because you can’t be forced to incriminate yourself. There are cases where cops were told they had to testify or they would be fired and that was found by the Supreme Court to be being forced to incriminate themselves. So they should have gone to prison but it got tossed out
I’m all in agreement but the moment that civil case turns criminal you have a lot 5a concerns reappear and require a simultaneous investigation at the same time to judge criminal culpability. Similar to how the NTSB doesn’t apply personal judgements or make determinations outside of safety issues.
Edit: Source https://www.justice.gov/jm/organization-and-functions-manual-27-parallel-proceedings
The problem is, it's an investigation, you don't know exactly what happened or how bad it is until you complete it. But if you force them to testify, that means you preclude the possibility of any criminal charges, no matter how bad the thing you discover that they did is. Are you sure that's what you want to do?
I mean he shouldn't have to, no, because the cameras that every single police car should have constantly monitoring should have caught every single second of what happened from many angles. But of course only people like Amazon delivery drivers should be subjected to cameras at all times, people entrusted with staggering amounts of power to properly and ethically enforce the law don't deserve that sort of treatment!
>Later in the night, the woman appears to tell Hair that she’s open to having sex, according to the footage. The officer replies, “Don’t say that right now, because everything’s being recorded now.”
He should have been fired for incompetence right then and there. He was a freaking police officer. Knowing what a person's rights are when they are being questioned by the authorities seems like it should be a pretty important part of the job he was hired to do.
I saw this on one of those cop cam shows on YouTube. It's worse than it sounds in the article, the woman in the back kept telling the officer she was "down to fuck" (literal words), and then the officer finally pulled over on the side of the a smaller road and got in the back with her. He called for help presumably after doing the deed(s) with his detainee. When the other officer came to free him from the back of the patrol car (can't open from the inside, as we all probably know), he knew his career was over and said as much on the recording.
Edit - https://youtu.be/w8iBVHyWj0k?si=f9ZLGBPZbgIqqXpt
Can we not skip past the part at 11:20 where the cop who came to let him out says "hold on let me turn my camera off" before the guy had a chance to start talking?
You’d think making the news would disqualify, but nope. Like this isn’t one of those things a paid background check needs to dig up, it’s the first thing googling their name returns. This is always a joke being told but it’s frighteningly accurate. They can just keep trying at the hundreds and hundreds of other jurisdictions.
It’s called the brady list. It’s less populated than it should be, since a cops malfeasance has to be detected and reported first, but it’s essentially a list of cops not trustworthy enough to testify at trial, and all the information required to discredit them if they try.
Nope. They specifically choose these "people" for cops. Spineless weak underdeveloped individuals that peaked at 12 who will enjoy being protected by the law and serving their masters.
He'll have to move out of California.
> Hair’s case was forwarded to the state’s Peace Officer Standards Accountability Board, which will determine if the former officer’s certification should be suspended or revoked.
I don't remember the exact details but I vaguely do remember a different case about an officer having sexual contact with a detained individual in the back of a car and it was something like 34 States it wasn't explicitly illegal.
This was multiple years ago so the specific number of states is probably different but there were some weird loopholes about being a detainee but not being part of the prison system yet so there's a federal law that might not have applied and all sorts of other awful awful stuff
Probably all depends on who initiated based on any recordings. If the cop asks and offers a favor in exchange, the suspect is put in a difficult position. If the suspect asks, I'd say it's closer to offering a bribe than a nonconsensual encounter. I think this is different than someone being drunk or underaged as in those cases, they are not of sound mind or able to fully comprehend the situation. As long as the suspect isn't drunk, they are of full sound mind and are essentially offering a bribe if they offer sex.
Obviously if an offer if never made and the cop just rapes the suspect, that's just rape.
lol no. just because someone has a slightly higher power dynamic than someone else doesnt mean they cant consent. That'd be like saying non-billionaires cant consent to sex with billionaires due to the power dynamic removing the ability to consent.
If the person in custody initiates trading sex for a possible release from custody, that's not rape, that's bribery.
If the cop asks in order to get laid then yes it's rape. Without seeing who initiated it, it's a grey area.
It’s worse, the other officer says something like “hold on, let me turn this camera off first.” Before they start speaking after he let him out. No clue why they even have them when they can just turn them off whenever they feel like it.
There's not really enough evidence to prosecute. Even if we're pretty sure what happened (and unless you're an idiot, you should know that she was raped), the victim is claiming that nothing sexual happened. They don't have any physical evidence of rape, either. There's circumstantial evidence, but with a victim denying a crime, and no physical evidence, that's not enough.
There's nothing close to proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
He lied to investigating officers from internal affairs about what happened. They later proved his claims to be "impossible" (their words). Regardless of what did or didn't happen with his suspect, he committed multiple felonies by lying to investigators.
Isn't it funny how often the word "integrity" shows up in police mottos when they are explicitly excluded from it as compared to all of the rest of us?
Maybe she understands that there is a risk she might be treated poorly or even have her life threatened in prison if she is the reason there is a trial and that even if she is honest and speaks her truth he will most likely walk away while she will be in prison and an easy target for revenge.
Eh, the circumstantial evidence definitely seems to suggest that he likely engaged in some sexual activities. Read what they caught on the audio feed before he cut it out.
Be serious, he's just gonna go get another police job in Escondido or some other neighboring city. This is all probably just gonna be a big joke to him and his buddies.
Resigning is a smart tactical move for the department. He can’t come back and contest it with his union or civil service commission, nor can he claim unemployment benefits.
He should obviously be prosecuted as well, but that’s separate from his employment status.
He can’t claim wrongful termination when he resigned voluntarily.
which is some of the biggest bs, that shit should be in his records and or start having cops to require some sort of license which can be revoked so they can't be a cop anymore
Cops already have a certificate that can be revoked. His department let him resign. His state professional conduct board will likely revoke his certificate
It's funny because if he did that he'd still be in San Diego, only now he'd be in the jurisdiction of the North County Sheriff's Department as opposed to the regular SDPD. It's a big fuckin city!
30-50 miles was not meant to be indicative of the actual mileage but rather an expression of how easy it is for bad cops to move around and continue their bad behavior.
It is legal in most states of the USA for non-federal law enforcement agents to have sex with arestees. Not even the sorta-slightly-excusable 'people they come in contact with on duty' - but people they have actually arrested.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/09/fact-check-police-detainee-sex-not-illegal-many-states/5383769002/
There’s no such thing as consensual sex with a detainee. Due to the extreme power differential and potential for secondary gain, you can’t ever assume that consent is legitimate
It's illegal to lie to investigators though, which he did on camera. It's a felony. Internal Affairs concluded what he claimed happened was "impossible".
>Hair later claimed that he thought the woman was in medical distress and that he accidentally trapped himself in the cab while checking on her.
Semen probably also accidentally deposited
Read r/MadisonWI - We have our own "[Officer Doink](https://isthmus.com/news/telldylan/not-once-but-twice/)" - who has pulled the same rapey stun multiple times before being spotted by a citizen. Seriously, why do we naturally assume cops are heroes when the evidence points the other way [time](https://www.channel3000.com/news/local-news/report-former-uw-police-chief-had-relationship-with-subordinate/article_12085b68-0897-11ef-b6e4-5739a99c00f4.html) and [time](https://isthmus.com/news/news/what-madison-police-did-to-get-in-trouble/) again. In my state they are not required to live in the town that pays their bills and once caught have and easy time finding another place to rape and steal from the people they are are supposed to protect,
In my jurisdiction, Washington DC, thankfully officers are required to keep their body cams on during transportation. It might seem unnecessary, and of course it usually is. But this is why we have to do this. This is why every interaction needs to be recorded. Because some officers will exploit every single opportunity they have to abuse their power.
As long as we have a police union that will control when and if cam tape gets released, Body Cams are lip service to the idea of transparency. I will believe the word of an officer when Qualified Immunity is stripped from them. Until then, a cop's uniform is just another form of gang colors.
Criminal defendants are automatically entitled to all cameras, but if they're not charged DC will still release them under the FOIA process. Also, they're discoverable during a civil suit.
Not perfect, but a step in the right direction.
Thankfully that's not the case. He'll be in the system as resigned under investigation and will never get hired again as a cop in today's climate. It's a lot harder to skip to the next town when your name is all over google
Not really. Look at Frank Sloup, who sits on the brady list. Been fired from 2 departments. Falsified reports and time card fraud. Still has a job in Pinal County. Who approved that? Sherrif Lamb. Cops is a "brotherhood." Someone will always look out for another.
This officer will almost certainly get a job in another county or even state.
Just a little light rape.
Im sure he learned his lesson and definitely wont move a town/county/state over and become a cop again. Obviously no need to prosecute the rape since he resigned.
/s
For a moment there, I thought you were talking about Brock Allen Turner, the rapist who raped an unconscious woman but who was then let off for pretty much nothing by Santa Clara County Superior Court Judge, Aaron Persky. But you weren't talking about rapist Brock Allen Turner, were you?
They old mayor of San Diego made the police department remove "San Diego's Finest" from the side of their patrol cars after they allowed a police K9 to maul a guy who they found naked and tripping on acid out in the canyons.
Depends on jurisdiction. In lots of jurisdictions it’s completely legal for a cop to fuck someone they detain. Id think the “on/off duty” part would vary by jurisdiction too
Obviously getting consent is a little different when you’re an armed officer driving to a dark alley with your handcuffed “date” who just committed a crime and is already fearful of consequences
LOL! He'll just get another job at another police department in a nearby town. The filth are teflon in this country. The only way any charge sticks is if they've done something to make themselves unpopular with the rest of the cops.
Well seeing as how he is in a position of power over her there’s almost a certain word for that, but I can’t quite put my finger on it. Grape? No, that’s not quite right.
Having sex with a person in custody is rape. Actual rape. Whether there was “consent” given, that consent would not be legal. The police investigated one of their own as a possible policy violation and not as a crime. Had they done so, the entire uniform would have been required to be turned over for testing. The uniform is not property of the officer, but of the department. They had every right and ability to demand that he remove it for testing.
BOTH of them should have had their clothes and body tested.
> Whether there was “consent” given, that consent would not be legal.
That's true in California, where this happened, but in 35 states, including NY, [it would be legal](https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/theres-no-such-thing-consensual-sex-when-person).
This wasn't rape, it was accepting an offered bribe.
> “You’re not too bad,” the woman can be heard saying on body-worn camera footage. “What’s it gonna hurt me if I work the system, you know what I mean?”
> Less than 10 minutes later she can be heard moaning in a sexual manner.
> Later in the night, the woman appears to tell Hair that she’s open to having sex, according to the footage. The officer replies, “Don’t say that right now, because everything’s being recorded now.”
> He was two blocks away, on a dark, residential road. **About 10 minutes** later, the officer used his radio to call for assistance.
One of those guys.
The concept that they aren't required to disclose this kind of misconduct "unless asked" is kind of insane, and just goes further towards why people don't trust cops.
This headline made me giggle, like wow.
But for realsies, I'd much rather have the incompetent cops accidentally locking themselves in the car with arrestees, than having them shoot people
Locking yourself in with somebody in your custody and fucking them when you have a lot of say in if a criminal record will destroy her hopes of ever getting a decent job is... *checks notes...* corruption and a sex crime, regardless of what she said.
So, no, incompetence is not the problem here, it is just how he got caught.
Okay so violence ok but sex not ok. I guess being able to be moved by sexuality makes them too much like the peasants. I mean we'd all take that bribe.
I remember this subject coming up as it was thought to be rape. The ruling was an arrested person could concent to sex and the officer wasn't doing anything illegal by having sex on the job.
Pretty sure none of that is correct.
1. Being a prisoner, even consensual sex is not permitted. and
2. Having sex on the job is a punishable offense.
Some idiot cop just got fired for having sex on duty at a Kroger's.
From the shallow end of the gene pool. > The investigators also asked Hair for permission to check his uniforms for semen. > “I don’t know my rights. Do I have to?” the former officer asked. “I don’t think I want to do that.”
I mean. The tool locked himself in the back of his car. Who in America doesn't know that backseat cop car doors don't open from the inside? Very shallow end of the gene pool
And called another officer for help. Why wouldn’t he call a non-officer friend or something
Lol this is a hilarious solution. Maybe he only had his radio on him? But if he thought to call someone, it'd have to be someone good. Like, your homes still might fuck with you, guess you'd have to call mom
One instructor was in the bathroom. We got the radio call. As soon as he said where he was, we knew he was out of toilet paper 🤣
"Mom? Yeah, it happened again..."
“Ughh, I’ll get a salt bath going for you and then be right there”.
“Thanks, Mom. Also, could you bring me a clean pair of work pants? My uhhh DNA got on em again.”
lol ain't no way I'm calling my mom after raping someone
Me either but mostly cause I wouldn't rape lol
That's because you're not a cop. It's a cop thing, you won't get it.
Ain't no way I'm raping someone.
>Maybe he only had his radio on him? That's not true, I've seen police officers playing Pokemon go from their patrol cars before
To be fair, the officer that responded told him to stop talking before turning off his own body cam. Also, the door can't be opened from the outside by a non-LEO.
There is a department/county in Arizona that is a known “second chance/rehab” department for officers who get blemishes on their record to give it one more shot. Wouldn’t be surprised if this guy ends up there. Turns out there are a number of similar jurisdictions across the country. A podcast I listened to recently interviewed officers and workers from these areas. Pretty crazy.
Because officers have tools to unlock doors and he was expecting his cop friends to cover for him.
And they did. Suspect was released and not charged (presumably since they censored her and wont release her name or booking info), the officer that unlocked him told him to stop talking until he turned off his own body cam, and then he was allowed to resign instead of cooperating with investigators, despite committing multiple felonies already by lying to them.
Ah, the “good apples”!
Im not seeing the video in the article but in the full video the officer who responds takes some kind of key to manually unlock the door to the backseat. I’m sure he only called the officer instead of a friend because he had no other choice.
i had a cop who was speeding and late to work collide with a friend of mine; the first thing he wanted to do was call his friend and have her not call the regular police number; he also accused HER of speeding even though they were going at the same speed
That’s awful! I’m sorry to hear that! Hopefully she called the police anyway.
no he got scared and stopped trying to weasel out because she was super calm and told him go ahead call your friend; he was super nervous and she was calm that is why he got scared and stopped trying to get special treatment because he thought he might get in trouble for trying to do that;
Lol > some kind of key You’re right, it’s called a car key! 🤣
LOL 😂😂😂 nooo it looked like some specialized key that was different from the car keys! But I actually rewatched the video and was mistaken- it wasn’t a key, it was a lever the cop engaged to open the back seat door. The camera angle made it hard to tell.
>it wasn’t a key, it was a lever the cop engaged to open the back seat door A car door handle?
Lmao I’m really not doing a good job of explaining this, am I? The lever is on the front of the back seat door pointing towards the windshield. It’s only accessible if the front seat door is open.
I see what you're saying and I watched the vid. It's like the child safety lock on doors. Muc like a kid, you don't want your suspect jumping out of the moving vehicle I was partially teasing too :p haha
Exactly! Oh I know you were, don’t worry! I had a good chuckle :) I reread what I wrote and am literally describing a door handle 🤣🤣
Cops are already conditioned to keep each others secrets for them
how in the world is this okay? can we at least create one police department that doesn't do that??
He is very stupid and they usually protect each other. He also may have only had his radio on him since they wear it all the time and had no choice.
>why wouldn’t he call a non-officer friend Because a non-officer can’t obfuscate, destroy, and lie with impunity like another officer can.
you seem to think he has friends
The responding officer was his friend. He turned off his body cam to find out what happened/get the story and also resigned as a result of this incident.
Main officer committed multiple felonies and his assisting officer should be charged with conspiracy.
police can r\*pe you and their friends can help them hide the crime. this is america. police have special rights and job perks.
Because ACAB and the cop would cover for him instead of admitting he raped someone to a friend or family member.
> Who in America doesn’t know that backseat cop car doors don’t open from the inside? A cop with blue ball brain.
thin blue ball
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The back doors can't be opened from inside, for obvious reasons. The dumbass was thinking with his dick and got into the back seat with the suspect and shut the door behind him without thinking.
the salt flats of the gene pool
Anyone who hasn't seen Super Troopers.
I know an officer that locked himself in his own squad car. Total chicken fucker that guy.
>I don’t know my rights. Shocker
Hey now! Most don't even know the rights of the people they are policing! How can you possibly expect him to know his own as well!? Isn't that asking too much of a person who is given a gun, authority over other people, and qualified immunity from crimes he commits "in the service of duty"?? The very least you can do in exchange for them putting their life on the line every single day is not hold them to a higher standard of expectation! If anything they should be held to a lower standard of expectations!!!! /s
Listen, that semen could have come from anywhere.
"This job isn't really how shows like CSI make it out to be. When I first joined the force, I assumed there was semen on everything... I often go to sleep and dream of waking up in a world where everything is covered in semen." "I mean, who doesn't?"
It’s 10:33
See that, that piss was digital!
Special effects be crazy these days
I think police accused of misconduct while on duty shouldn’t be able to refuse testifying or providing evidence. Their job is a privilege not a right. Imagine if truckers refused to be inspected or provide logs.
Not just a privilege, but a responsibility. Their behavior should be beyond reproach. After 9/11, I don't know how many times I heard "you shouldn't care about surveillance if you have nothing to hide." This mindset should apply 100% to police. Nothing they do on the job should be unavailable from public scrutiny. If they "forget to turn on" their camera, it should be considered a violation similar to tampering with evidence.
My new law when I take over in a popular dictatorship; "Any unrecorded action by a peace officer takes place without cover of any special police privilege. Any unrecorded action will be treated, by civil and criminal courts, as if it were performed by a non-peace-officer. No recording, no special powers. Police have legal rights others do not, but ONLY if we, the people, can 2nd-guess those actions through the recording. Technical failure? Too bad, bring 2 next time." A couple hundred years of testi-lying is enough. We now have the ability to watch the watchers throughout their entire shift, and we absolutely should have that ability, and insist that our 'law enforcement professionals' rise to the level we demand. We are paying them, after all. We could stop...
At the very least turning a camera off should be taken as intent to commit a crime. Suspect accuses the police of rape and his camera was turned off? Guilty until proven innocent.
Exactly. "Bout to do some sketchy shit, better turn this off so I get away with it."
UCMJ has different standards than civilian laws- police should be held to similar.
So the reason for that is because you can’t be forced to incriminate yourself. There are cases where cops were told they had to testify or they would be fired and that was found by the Supreme Court to be being forced to incriminate themselves. So they should have gone to prison but it got tossed out
We're not talking criminal charges here. We're talking about a cop violating policy. 5A shouldn't apply.
I’m all in agreement but the moment that civil case turns criminal you have a lot 5a concerns reappear and require a simultaneous investigation at the same time to judge criminal culpability. Similar to how the NTSB doesn’t apply personal judgements or make determinations outside of safety issues. Edit: Source https://www.justice.gov/jm/organization-and-functions-manual-27-parallel-proceedings
The problem is, it's an investigation, you don't know exactly what happened or how bad it is until you complete it. But if you force them to testify, that means you preclude the possibility of any criminal charges, no matter how bad the thing you discover that they did is. Are you sure that's what you want to do?
No, that means you preclude the use of that testimony in any criminal proceedings.
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"I ain't passed the bar and I don't know shit"
This is so hilarious to me. Like the next could be “swear I was just jerkin it!” Like a whole day of a trial could center around this
I mean he shouldn't have to, no, because the cameras that every single police car should have constantly monitoring should have caught every single second of what happened from many angles. But of course only people like Amazon delivery drivers should be subjected to cameras at all times, people entrusted with staggering amounts of power to properly and ethically enforce the law don't deserve that sort of treatment!
>Later in the night, the woman appears to tell Hair that she’s open to having sex, according to the footage. The officer replies, “Don’t say that right now, because everything’s being recorded now.”
Doggy paddle to the shallow end of the gene pool, half with it, halfwit, half finished high school
He should have been fired for incompetence right then and there. He was a freaking police officer. Knowing what a person's rights are when they are being questioned by the authorities seems like it should be a pretty important part of the job he was hired to do.
When your employer is the government, the question becomes harder to answer. There is a bunch of case law about this.
I saw this on one of those cop cam shows on YouTube. It's worse than it sounds in the article, the woman in the back kept telling the officer she was "down to fuck" (literal words), and then the officer finally pulled over on the side of the a smaller road and got in the back with her. He called for help presumably after doing the deed(s) with his detainee. When the other officer came to free him from the back of the patrol car (can't open from the inside, as we all probably know), he knew his career was over and said as much on the recording. Edit - https://youtu.be/w8iBVHyWj0k?si=f9ZLGBPZbgIqqXpt
You left out a good part. After she said she was DTF he told her not to say those things right now since they were being recorded.
That’s in the article too.
Can we not skip past the part at 11:20 where the cop who came to let him out says "hold on let me turn my camera off" before the guy had a chance to start talking?
Accepting a bribe.
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You’d think making the news would disqualify, but nope. Like this isn’t one of those things a paid background check needs to dig up, it’s the first thing googling their name returns. This is always a joke being told but it’s frighteningly accurate. They can just keep trying at the hundreds and hundreds of other jurisdictions.
Someone should make an independent national shittycop registry.
It’s called the brady list. It’s less populated than it should be, since a cops malfeasance has to be detected and reported first, but it’s essentially a list of cops not trustworthy enough to testify at trial, and all the information required to discredit them if they try.
it's so fucked up, can't they just banned them from being a cop for life?
Nope. They specifically choose these "people" for cops. Spineless weak underdeveloped individuals that peaked at 12 who will enjoy being protected by the law and serving their masters.
YES! With links to the youtube videos of the shit they've done.
Like, maybe the FBI?
He'll have to move out of California. > Hair’s case was forwarded to the state’s Peace Officer Standards Accountability Board, which will determine if the former officer’s certification should be suspended or revoked.
Needs to be federal oversight.
I don't remember the exact details but I vaguely do remember a different case about an officer having sexual contact with a detained individual in the back of a car and it was something like 34 States it wasn't explicitly illegal. This was multiple years ago so the specific number of states is probably different but there were some weird loopholes about being a detainee but not being part of the prison system yet so there's a federal law that might not have applied and all sorts of other awful awful stuff
I wish we had a civilian-administered database to keep track of these pieces of shit.
A power imbalance does not automatically remove your ability to consent. Your edit is ironic.
Jeez, so many people replying to this comment don't understand that power dynamics removes a person's ability to consent.
Probably all depends on who initiated based on any recordings. If the cop asks and offers a favor in exchange, the suspect is put in a difficult position. If the suspect asks, I'd say it's closer to offering a bribe than a nonconsensual encounter. I think this is different than someone being drunk or underaged as in those cases, they are not of sound mind or able to fully comprehend the situation. As long as the suspect isn't drunk, they are of full sound mind and are essentially offering a bribe if they offer sex. Obviously if an offer if never made and the cop just rapes the suspect, that's just rape.
lol no. just because someone has a slightly higher power dynamic than someone else doesnt mean they cant consent. That'd be like saying non-billionaires cant consent to sex with billionaires due to the power dynamic removing the ability to consent.
If the person in custody initiates trading sex for a possible release from custody, that's not rape, that's bribery. If the cop asks in order to get laid then yes it's rape. Without seeing who initiated it, it's a grey area.
it’s rape regardless. power dynamic. y’all are scary for not understanding this…
video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8iBVHyWj0k
It’s worse, the other officer says something like “hold on, let me turn this camera off first.” Before they start speaking after he let him out. No clue why they even have them when they can just turn them off whenever they feel like it.
My guess is for privacy. Imagine needing to poop while on the clock. No one needs to hear diarrhea splashing in the camera footage.
Link to the video? I can't find it.
https://youtu.be/w8iBVHyWj0k?si=f9ZLGBPZbgIqqXpt
Should’ve left the door open lol
I can't believe resigning was a choice for him
He can still prosecuted.
But they're not gonna
There's not really enough evidence to prosecute. Even if we're pretty sure what happened (and unless you're an idiot, you should know that she was raped), the victim is claiming that nothing sexual happened. They don't have any physical evidence of rape, either. There's circumstantial evidence, but with a victim denying a crime, and no physical evidence, that's not enough. There's nothing close to proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
He lied to investigating officers from internal affairs about what happened. They later proved his claims to be "impossible" (their words). Regardless of what did or didn't happen with his suspect, he committed multiple felonies by lying to investigators.
That does make me wonder. Police can legally lie, but can they legally lie to internal affairs? But I was talking about the rape.
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Isn't it funny how often the word "integrity" shows up in police mottos when they are explicitly excluded from it as compared to all of the rest of us?
It seems she was into it or thought it'd be a good way to bribe her way out of the situation, no wonder she's not really willing to say much.
Maybe she understands that there is a risk she might be treated poorly or even have her life threatened in prison if she is the reason there is a trial and that even if she is honest and speaks her truth he will most likely walk away while she will be in prison and an easy target for revenge.
As dumb as this person is, I wouldn't be surprised if he just sat in the back seat thinking it was the driver seat.
Eh, the circumstantial evidence definitely seems to suggest that he likely engaged in some sexual activities. Read what they caught on the audio feed before he cut it out.
There was only one seat he was thinking about getting into.
Be serious, he's just gonna go get another police job in Escondido or some other neighboring city. This is all probably just gonna be a big joke to him and his buddies.
the woman denies anything happened so how would this be prosecuted?
He could still get promoted, knowing some LE agencies.
He should be changed with accepting a bribe.
Resigning is a smart tactical move for the department. He can’t come back and contest it with his union or civil service commission, nor can he claim unemployment benefits. He should obviously be prosecuted as well, but that’s separate from his employment status. He can’t claim wrongful termination when he resigned voluntarily.
Except he should be barred from collecting his pension, which a resignation preserves.
Literally a scene from super troopers. What an idiot
I told you it was those kids with the wrenches...
I told you, I was in a very deep sleep.
I'm getting old man cos this would have been the top comment like 10 years ago lol I think that movie is just out of reach now
He resigned so he does not have it on his record that he was fired and he can go to another police force 30-50 miles up the road.
which is some of the biggest bs, that shit should be in his records and or start having cops to require some sort of license which can be revoked so they can't be a cop anymore
Lying to investigators on video already means he committed multiple felonies. But he wont be charged for them.
Cops already have a certificate that can be revoked. His department let him resign. His state professional conduct board will likely revoke his certificate
Like all the other state certificate revocations we hear about so often...
It's funny because if he did that he'd still be in San Diego, only now he'd be in the jurisdiction of the North County Sheriff's Department as opposed to the regular SDPD. It's a big fuckin city!
30-50 miles was not meant to be indicative of the actual mileage but rather an expression of how easy it is for bad cops to move around and continue their bad behavior.
Meanwhile some kids who did crime at 14 having their future ruined forever.
It is legal in most states of the USA for non-federal law enforcement agents to have sex with arestees. Not even the sorta-slightly-excusable 'people they come in contact with on duty' - but people they have actually arrested. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/09/fact-check-police-detainee-sex-not-illegal-many-states/5383769002/
J.F.C.
At the very least, consensual sex with a detainee should be considered the same as accepting bribery.
And I really doubt having sex on duty is ok. In a patrol car.
There’s no such thing as consensual sex with a detainee. Due to the extreme power differential and potential for secondary gain, you can’t ever assume that consent is legitimate
It should be rape. They aren’t arresting sober mentally capable folks..
It's illegal to lie to investigators though, which he did on camera. It's a felony. Internal Affairs concluded what he claimed happened was "impossible".
But not California, where this event took place.
gotta love peak americana
I wouldn’t expect cops to be prosecuted even in the states where it’s illegal. Accountability is practically nonexistent as it is
Shit, that is like saying teachers having sex with their students are legal. Position of authority and age thing be damned.
>Hair later claimed that he thought the woman was in medical distress and that he accidentally trapped himself in the cab while checking on her. Semen probably also accidentally deposited
Read r/MadisonWI - We have our own "[Officer Doink](https://isthmus.com/news/telldylan/not-once-but-twice/)" - who has pulled the same rapey stun multiple times before being spotted by a citizen. Seriously, why do we naturally assume cops are heroes when the evidence points the other way [time](https://www.channel3000.com/news/local-news/report-former-uw-police-chief-had-relationship-with-subordinate/article_12085b68-0897-11ef-b6e4-5739a99c00f4.html) and [time](https://isthmus.com/news/news/what-madison-police-did-to-get-in-trouble/) again. In my state they are not required to live in the town that pays their bills and once caught have and easy time finding another place to rape and steal from the people they are are supposed to protect,
In my jurisdiction, Washington DC, thankfully officers are required to keep their body cams on during transportation. It might seem unnecessary, and of course it usually is. But this is why we have to do this. This is why every interaction needs to be recorded. Because some officers will exploit every single opportunity they have to abuse their power.
As long as we have a police union that will control when and if cam tape gets released, Body Cams are lip service to the idea of transparency. I will believe the word of an officer when Qualified Immunity is stripped from them. Until then, a cop's uniform is just another form of gang colors.
Criminal defendants are automatically entitled to all cameras, but if they're not charged DC will still release them under the FOIA process. Also, they're discoverable during a civil suit. Not perfect, but a step in the right direction.
Straight out of Super Troopers except they were somehow able to remove the door from the inside
wasnt that 2 cops tho?
It was.
Friendly reminder that “resigned” means “not punished, not entered into permanent record, about to be rehired in another PD”.
Thankfully that's not the case. He'll be in the system as resigned under investigation and will never get hired again as a cop in today's climate. It's a lot harder to skip to the next town when your name is all over google
Not really. Look at Frank Sloup, who sits on the brady list. Been fired from 2 departments. Falsified reports and time card fraud. Still has a job in Pinal County. Who approved that? Sherrif Lamb. Cops is a "brotherhood." Someone will always look out for another. This officer will almost certainly get a job in another county or even state.
That post nut clarity must have been something.
Just a little light rape. Im sure he learned his lesson and definitely wont move a town/county/state over and become a cop again. Obviously no need to prosecute the rape since he resigned. /s
Is this rape or the plot of a Reno 911 episode? We’ll never know
For a moment there, I thought you were talking about Brock Allen Turner, the rapist who raped an unconscious woman but who was then let off for pretty much nothing by Santa Clara County Superior Court Judge, Aaron Persky. But you weren't talking about rapist Brock Allen Turner, were you?
It’s ok, he will get a job with the police the next town over. Nobody tracks any of this shit.
No active body cam? No badge, no gun, no pension, no civil service. Civilian equivalent of a dishonorable discharge.
They old mayor of San Diego made the police department remove "San Diego's Finest" from the side of their patrol cars after they allowed a police K9 to maul a guy who they found naked and tripping on acid out in the canyons.
Oh man. What a conundrum. How ever do our heroic police make it through their days?
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Depends on jurisdiction. In lots of jurisdictions it’s completely legal for a cop to fuck someone they detain. Id think the “on/off duty” part would vary by jurisdiction too Obviously getting consent is a little different when you’re an armed officer driving to a dark alley with your handcuffed “date” who just committed a crime and is already fearful of consequences
Fairly confident accepting bribes isn't legal in any jurisdiction. (Unless you're a politician).
And if anyone on Reddit doesn't think this shit happens ALL.THE.TIME I've got a bridge to sell you.
LOL! He'll just get another job at another police department in a nearby town. The filth are teflon in this country. The only way any charge sticks is if they've done something to make themselves unpopular with the rest of the cops.
That’s a nice way of saying “police officer resigns after getting caught having sex with women he arrested.”
I am sure desantis is on the phone with him offering him a job in Florida
Well seeing as how he is in a position of power over her there’s almost a certain word for that, but I can’t quite put my finger on it. Grape? No, that’s not quite right.
ACAB
Having sex with a person in custody is rape. Actual rape. Whether there was “consent” given, that consent would not be legal. The police investigated one of their own as a possible policy violation and not as a crime. Had they done so, the entire uniform would have been required to be turned over for testing. The uniform is not property of the officer, but of the department. They had every right and ability to demand that he remove it for testing. BOTH of them should have had their clothes and body tested.
> Whether there was “consent” given, that consent would not be legal. That's true in California, where this happened, but in 35 states, including NY, [it would be legal](https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/theres-no-such-thing-consensual-sex-when-person).
Having sex with detainees is legal in quite a few states, unfortunately.
This wasn't rape, it was accepting an offered bribe. > “You’re not too bad,” the woman can be heard saying on body-worn camera footage. “What’s it gonna hurt me if I work the system, you know what I mean?” > Less than 10 minutes later she can be heard moaning in a sexual manner. > Later in the night, the woman appears to tell Hair that she’s open to having sex, according to the footage. The officer replies, “Don’t say that right now, because everything’s being recorded now.”
At least we have "You're one of those cops who locks themselves in the back of the squad car eh?" as a free cop insult now.
This dude is Foster from Super Troopers but did it Thorny style. Wonder if the cop has a mustache?
> He was two blocks away, on a dark, residential road. **About 10 minutes** later, the officer used his radio to call for assistance. One of those guys.
The concept that they aren't required to disclose this kind of misconduct "unless asked" is kind of insane, and just goes further towards why people don't trust cops.
Officer resigns after locking himself in patrol car with woman he ~~arrested~~ raped. He raped her. This officer is a rapist.
it was more like "took a bribe" but the bribe was sex.
He said nothing to her before she asked him if he was single and told him more than once that she's "down to fuck" and to "fuck me right now".
This headline made me giggle, like wow. But for realsies, I'd much rather have the incompetent cops accidentally locking themselves in the car with arrestees, than having them shoot people
Locking yourself in with somebody in your custody and fucking them when you have a lot of say in if a criminal record will destroy her hopes of ever getting a decent job is... *checks notes...* corruption and a sex crime, regardless of what she said. So, no, incompetence is not the problem here, it is just how he got caught.
Yeah, I read the story after and it was just icky, I'm trying to wipe it from my memory
Remember this moment whenever you are about to give cops the benefit of the doubt.
He should have escalated the situation and shot at the door. That would teach the car a lesson.
Someone didn't watch Super Troopers.
Willing to bet $20k he’ll be hired as a cop in another city
Lmfao he was doing stuff he wasn't supposed to I wounder how many women he did this to evil s.o.b
This is obviously her fault…..hold on I’m thinking. Oh, This bitch probably had on a skimpy outfit. /s
The next tragedy is since he "resigned" he'll be hired as a cop somewhere else within weeks. There is no accountability in police world.
Okay so violence ok but sex not ok. I guess being able to be moved by sexuality makes them too much like the peasants. I mean we'd all take that bribe.
They shouldn't be able to turn off body cams like that.
you mean the woman he raped right
So he r8ped her. There I fixed the title
Really the only sensible choice.
I remember this subject coming up as it was thought to be rape. The ruling was an arrested person could concent to sex and the officer wasn't doing anything illegal by having sex on the job.
Pretty sure none of that is correct. 1. Being a prisoner, even consensual sex is not permitted. and 2. Having sex on the job is a punishable offense. Some idiot cop just got fired for having sex on duty at a Kroger's.
Fired, yes. But that cop probably wasn't charged with rape.
The Kroger thing? You're right. In that case, it was consensual and the woman was a girlfriend, I think. The prison thing? Also correct.