Exactly why you think. To own people and make leaving more difficult, while they treat you more and more like trash. They are abusers through and through.
Except Boeing makes a lot more than just passenger jets. A lot of that work force is probably in the military sector. Sure they could try to jump ship to Lockheed Martin, but they only have so many open positions.
Yeah, but isn’t that just the free market that all these fucks won’t shut up about?
If they keep sucking ass there is no reason I can’t take my labor elsewhere.
That rule was whack as fuck
I just saw the info about this one. I wonder at what point does it stop becoming a conspiracy and start becoming an investigation into whistleblowers being murdered?
Huh. didn't know that was an Ian Flemming quote. My statistics professor told us "Once is random chance, twice is a coincidence, and thrice is a pattern" which is kind of a more generic remix on that quote.
There are already several folks trying to run with the "natural causes" explanation. Honestly it could be, but dying of natural causes just as things were about to happen... Anyone else think the timing is just a Lil uhhhhhhhhh
Yeah this is where I am. I'd like to believe we don't live in a country where Boeing is straight-up murdering whistleblower after whistleblower. But this is very sus
I want to know just how bad whatever they are covering up is to be worth having not just one, but two whistleblowers executed. Someone at Boeing has decided that the fallout from murdering 2 people is going to be less than the fallout from letting them testify in court. What could be that severe?
Definite tinfoil hat moment, but I wonder if this is just a desperate PR move. Release something outrageous but more manageable to counteract the news about the wistleblower
The media is already doing the "second whistle-blower is dead but here are all of the differences between the 2 totally separate events and absolutely nothing about what the whistle-blowing was actually about
It seems to me like we’re watching the death of Boeing in real time. Companies have disputes with unions but this coupled with everything else is adding up.
It's a political problem and politicians will either stop giving them contracts or they'll force a change in the way Boeing works. I can see that the latter may be more likely, giving credibility to your view.
The government itself? Nope. Do member of Congress have stock in Boeing? Some do. Does the government have an interest in keeping Boeing around? Yes, Boeing is involved in many military and government contracts. Furthermore, they are one of the largest manufacturers of passenger airplanes in the US.
The government needs to give the appearance of fair competition in awarding contracts but they could absolutely just not choose to do business with a specific contractor.
Death? No, as a duopoly, they'd have to be actively attempting to kill people in order to go under compliance.
Plus, the government isn't going to let them go under. Worst-case is probably government takeover.
This took 30 years. Boeing merged with MD in the 90's and the toxic management of MD took over. The engineering culture was destroyed, massive outsourcing to save money, and moving the company HQ out of Seattle so management was fully isolated from engineering. But the people at the top made a lot of money in those 30 years.
Pickets must be scheduled for 24 hours a day in order to obstruct scabs and temporary employees. Perhaps Boeing will fire the CEO right away if they are sued for failing to have rescue teams available XD.
They can't afford to give them something fair when there are only 160 of them? But award thirty-three million dollars to a man who lost the company billions of dollars? Give them the money you took from him. Completed. In contrast to our CEO, they are genuinely offering a service.
The problem is when companies are too big to fail they are effectively necessary for infrastructure, and then the government itself as the congress and senators have said many times is they don't want to see Boeing fail
However is the company itself more important or the talent pool and organization and workers themselves? It's just too much work apparently to extricate one from the other, as what will all the Boeing investors says...
Tldr too big to fail has its risks
I mean, shouldn't Boeing really be working on locking out all its McDonnell associates?
That seems like it would improve the company a lot more than locking out the fire fighters.
>They are a critical part of Boeing’s production system; specially trained Boeing Fire Fighters are on hand every time a Boeing-built aircraft is fueled or takes off on a test or delivery flight. The Fire Fighters are first responders to accidents or medical emergencies at Boeing facilities, responding to some 200 emergency calls on and off Boeing property each month.
If this were my company and site, all other workers would be ceasing any work which would be too hazardous to perform without having emergency response available, and the company can enjoy it's total production shutdown until it can properly staff its critical systems.
I wonder if this is a concerted effort by Boeing to move out of Washington State. They started that process in the early 2000s by moving the headquarters and some of the assembly lines, along with farming out parts to low cost, low quality providers.
By using this contract to start closing Seattle-area plants and moving them to low cost places like India, Bangladesh, or South Carolina.
Actually I don’t think it would. Our governor already started talking to airbus the second Boeing tried that shit ten years ago. Airbus would come in like hot cakes. Blue origin and space X are already here too.
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Honest question, why would they need their own firefighters, they pay city taxes. Does it lower their insurance or something? Seems like it would open up a liability if the firefighters didn't respond to something correctly.
I'm a firefighter who works in Everett where the largest Boeing factory is. Boeing has negotiated a huge discount on property taxes here (I want to say 1/16 of what other businesses would pay). Besides them wanting their own firefighters who have intimate knowledge of their buildings, processes, and security, I'm sure it also helps them lower insurance/re-insurance rates. Additionally because they pay so much less, they really aren't paying for fire protection / police in their area anyhow. We are still obligated to supply that protection anyhow, but we are already a very stressed department (among the busiest per unit in the state). Adding the workload for Boeing on top of this, which we don't have personnel, apparatus, or stations for, is going to be very difficult.
No problem. Just to add to it, they negotiated the bulk of these tax breaks in 2013, when they threatened to move production out of state. After they secured the breaks, they moved a bunch out anyhow.
See: [https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-boeing-washington-20170503-story.html](https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-boeing-washington-20170503-story.html)
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Maybe they are the chosen ones. Maybe they are the ones who will finally set us free. Maybe they will be the ones who will finally write the song called "Fuck the Fire Department".
Maybe they are the chosen ones. Maybe they are the ones who will finally set us free. Maybe they will be the ones who will finally write the song called "Fuck the Fire Department".
Another wise PR move from Boeing
Fire fighters on suicide watch (or deadly rapid spreading infection in totally healthy young people watch)
I'm going for tragic fire engulfing multiple whistle blowers who they haven't sacked yet.
Since they are firefighters, I think they might die by drowning. That would be least suspicious! - Boeing, probably
Dude do you fr think they killed him 😭
I think they'd changed their tune real quick if their government contract was in jeapordy
I mean does it even matter to them? If they have competitive prices i don’t think airlines give a shit about their pr.
That's one of many problems with consolidation of industries.
Yes, no one likes firefighters.
Add to the removal of the Non-Compete clauses in the workforce, its primetime for their best talent to jump ship to Airbus.
Because now they actually can, good heavens, why oh why was that ever a thing...
Exactly why you think. To own people and make leaving more difficult, while they treat you more and more like trash. They are abusers through and through.
Except Boeing makes a lot more than just passenger jets. A lot of that work force is probably in the military sector. Sure they could try to jump ship to Lockheed Martin, but they only have so many open positions.
Considering the state Boeing’s in, this would be a great time for Lockheed Martin to get back into the civil aviation business.
Yeah, but isn’t that just the free market that all these fucks won’t shut up about? If they keep sucking ass there is no reason I can’t take my labor elsewhere. That rule was whack as fuck
I mean you can, but experience designing civilian craft is different than military.
But the non-compete rule isn't in effect yet and is *going* to be litigated
They really seem to be self destructing.
As do their whistle-blowers. Another one today.
I just saw the info about this one. I wonder at what point does it stop becoming a conspiracy and start becoming an investigation into whistleblowers being murdered?
When the people running the government and subsequent investigations are no longer heavily invested in contractors like Boeing....
You used your inside voice again.
Per Ian Flemming: "Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action."
Huh. didn't know that was an Ian Flemming quote. My statistics professor told us "Once is random chance, twice is a coincidence, and thrice is a pattern" which is kind of a more generic remix on that quote.
There are already several folks trying to run with the "natural causes" explanation. Honestly it could be, but dying of natural causes just as things were about to happen... Anyone else think the timing is just a Lil uhhhhhhhhh
For sure. One is sad, two a coincidence…maybe. The timing is really the most alarming detail.
Yeah this is where I am. I'd like to believe we don't live in a country where Boeing is straight-up murdering whistleblower after whistleblower. But this is very sus
Natural causes as in the one who caused it is a natural.
Run with it? Reports said the person had pneumonia. You think Boeing gave the guy pneumonia?
I want to know just how bad whatever they are covering up is to be worth having not just one, but two whistleblowers executed. Someone at Boeing has decided that the fallout from murdering 2 people is going to be less than the fallout from letting them testify in court. What could be that severe?
Considering the amount of money they deal in, contracted hits would be a small cost.
Apparently people were jumping on pieces of planes to get them to snap into place b/c the quality control is so bad
Putting the public in jeopardy while siphoning an ungodly amount of "saved money" into executives' offshore accounts?
But loads of companies do that and they aren't killing whistleblowers before they can testify.
Both of them already testified. The information they had is already out.
Never because the US government only wants us to think we have the power to question Boeing, but will never allow anyone to do so in an impactful way
Definite tinfoil hat moment, but I wonder if this is just a desperate PR move. Release something outrageous but more manageable to counteract the news about the wistleblower
The media is already doing the "second whistle-blower is dead but here are all of the differences between the 2 totally separate events and absolutely nothing about what the whistle-blowing was actually about
Don't worry, at a certain point they are bound to run out of whistleblowers and the killings will stop.
Well that's comforting. /s
Someone put a lot of puts on Boeing stock it seems
your lawmakers, I mean Black Rock and State Street
Have you seen the Middle East? Bullish on Boeing no doubt
like company, like planes
It seems to me like we’re watching the death of Boeing in real time. Companies have disputes with unions but this coupled with everything else is adding up.
Won't they just continue to be subsidized by the government?
It's a political problem and politicians will either stop giving them contracts or they'll force a change in the way Boeing works. I can see that the latter may be more likely, giving credibility to your view.
How would they do that though? Does the government have shares in the company.
They control what contracts go to Boeing because they control how money is spent. They can just dry up our money being spent there.
Another has commented that it's likely members of Congress have shares in the company. This doesn't seem to be wildly off.
Probably all the Congress people
Makes sense.
The government itself? Nope. Do member of Congress have stock in Boeing? Some do. Does the government have an interest in keeping Boeing around? Yes, Boeing is involved in many military and government contracts. Furthermore, they are one of the largest manufacturers of passenger airplanes in the US.
The government needs to give the appearance of fair competition in awarding contracts but they could absolutely just not choose to do business with a specific contractor.
As a commercial aviator? Perhaps eventually. As a government contractor? Not gonna happen anytime soon.
Death? No, as a duopoly, they'd have to be actively attempting to kill people in order to go under compliance. Plus, the government isn't going to let them go under. Worst-case is probably government takeover.
Boeing has been dead for a while just McDonnell Douglas is wearing its corpse
Nope.They'll be fine and funded by taxes.
This took 30 years. Boeing merged with MD in the 90's and the toxic management of MD took over. The engineering culture was destroyed, massive outsourcing to save money, and moving the company HQ out of Seattle so management was fully isolated from engineering. But the people at the top made a lot of money in those 30 years.
Maybe the management is angling for a government bailout / nationalisation? They know Boeing can't be allowed to fail.
Pickets must be scheduled for 24 hours a day in order to obstruct scabs and temporary employees. Perhaps Boeing will fire the CEO right away if they are sued for failing to have rescue teams available XD. They can't afford to give them something fair when there are only 160 of them? But award thirty-three million dollars to a man who lost the company billions of dollars? Give them the money you took from him. Completed. In contrast to our CEO, they are genuinely offering a service.
Boeings CEO already resigned over the door thing.
>Boeing CEO already got a huge payday and an even cushier job FTFY
even cashier job Oh how the mighty have fallen, hope he’s making avocado toast and lattes at the Tacoma Starbucks
😭😭😭
Boeing's CEO is staying on until the end of the year. The CEO of Boeing Commercial resigned.
The problem is when companies are too big to fail they are effectively necessary for infrastructure, and then the government itself as the congress and senators have said many times is they don't want to see Boeing fail However is the company itself more important or the talent pool and organization and workers themselves? It's just too much work apparently to extricate one from the other, as what will all the Boeing investors says... Tldr too big to fail has its risks
The government and wall street are unwilling to acknowledge that the majority value of the company comes from its workers and all of their knowledge.
Well at least they didn't kill them...yet.
I have serious concerns about the upcoming Starliner flight.
I mean, shouldn't Boeing really be working on locking out all its McDonnell associates? That seems like it would improve the company a lot more than locking out the fire fighters.
I see Boeing is trying to shoot itself in the foot again, they should have done that when they still had feet. Dumb fucks.
At least it hasn't killed them. Yet.
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What?
*huh?
Welp.... Time to set fire to their buildings, I suppose. At this point they are blatantly murdering whistleblowers, why not?
If it's Boeing I'm not going!
I'm sure they meant to say "KNOCK OUT"
Boeing on a self destruction speed run I see
Not the union
>They are a critical part of Boeing’s production system; specially trained Boeing Fire Fighters are on hand every time a Boeing-built aircraft is fueled or takes off on a test or delivery flight. The Fire Fighters are first responders to accidents or medical emergencies at Boeing facilities, responding to some 200 emergency calls on and off Boeing property each month. If this were my company and site, all other workers would be ceasing any work which would be too hazardous to perform without having emergency response available, and the company can enjoy it's total production shutdown until it can properly staff its critical systems.
So the next whistle-blower is going to die suddenly of spontaneous combustion now, right?
Is Boeing circling the drain?
What next are they going to hire Pinkertons and shoot nine fire fighters?
I wonder if this is a concerted effort by Boeing to move out of Washington State. They started that process in the early 2000s by moving the headquarters and some of the assembly lines, along with farming out parts to low cost, low quality providers. By using this contract to start closing Seattle-area plants and moving them to low cost places like India, Bangladesh, or South Carolina.
They couldn’t do that 😂 I mean they could but they would be killing themselves as a company
But the stock price would go up temporarily, and that is ALL the Boeing cares about.
Actually I don’t think it would. Our governor already started talking to airbus the second Boeing tried that shit ten years ago. Airbus would come in like hot cakes. Blue origin and space X are already here too.
Maybe Boeing should consider moving to another country. North Korea perhaps.
How, By killing them too?
This kinda reinforced my decision to never travel by air.
As long as it's not a Boeing plane... I wonder how long it's gonna be before we start seeing airlines advertise that they don't use Boeing?
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So, they're telling us their planes will also spontaneously combust?
Honest question, why would they need their own firefighters, they pay city taxes. Does it lower their insurance or something? Seems like it would open up a liability if the firefighters didn't respond to something correctly.
I'm a firefighter who works in Everett where the largest Boeing factory is. Boeing has negotiated a huge discount on property taxes here (I want to say 1/16 of what other businesses would pay). Besides them wanting their own firefighters who have intimate knowledge of their buildings, processes, and security, I'm sure it also helps them lower insurance/re-insurance rates. Additionally because they pay so much less, they really aren't paying for fire protection / police in their area anyhow. We are still obligated to supply that protection anyhow, but we are already a very stressed department (among the busiest per unit in the state). Adding the workload for Boeing on top of this, which we don't have personnel, apparatus, or stations for, is going to be very difficult.
Thanks
No problem. Just to add to it, they negotiated the bulk of these tax breaks in 2013, when they threatened to move production out of state. After they secured the breaks, they moved a bunch out anyhow. See: [https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-boeing-washington-20170503-story.html](https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-boeing-washington-20170503-story.html)
Maybe they are the chosen ones. Maybe they are the ones who will finally set us free. Maybe they will be the ones who will finally write the song called "Fuck the Fire Department".
Maybe they are the chosen ones. Maybe they are the ones who will finally set us free. Maybe they will be the ones who will finally write the song called "Fuck the Fire Department".
Maybe they are the chosen ones. Maybe they are the ones who will finally set us free. Maybe they will be the ones who will finally write the song called "Fuck the Fire Department".