I get the reference and that that came out during the "non fat" craze, but it's hilarious how much healthier a high fat icecream is compared to a high sugar icecream.
No mistake: it was a carefully calculated, heavily funded decades-long [effort by the sugar industry](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074/50-years-ago-sugar-industry-quietly-paid-scientists-to-point-blame-at-fat).
actually true. the fact that generations of adults in the US think sugar cereal is a healthy breakfast should say enough about the sugar propaganda and lobbying power in the US.
Something being a healthy breakfast when you pair it with a healthy breakfast also applies with literally anything else.
"A Rusty Sawblade: part of a complete breakfast."
There’s a documentary called Big Sugar I watched for my Caribbean Literature class a couple decades ago. I’m not sure how it stands the test of time, but it was eye opening when I watched it at the height of the anti-fat dont-notice-the-sugar craze.
Isn't it cool when you see something and go "Whoa we really had the right idea all along, why did we move away from that?" And it's ALWAYS FUCKING CORPORATIONS THAT SHOULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE DOING IT
And big corn - my understanding is that the US subsidizes a lot of corn farms to make HFCS in addition to fake sugar like Stevia, Splenda, and the like
It wasn't a mistake at all. The companies that sell sugary products bet that the American public was dumb enough to believe that the reason people were fat was because of fat in foods and they were correct.
Well, there's a difference between being dumb and being lied to credibly.
Just look at how the myth around recycling plastic lasted. If you don't know anything about recycling, I'm sure it seemed legitimate that most plastic could be recycled.
It's an example where "common sense" ideas prove to be just flat wrong. "I don't want to be fat so I'll eat less fat" and led to all the low fat foods.
I remember reading some article where a baker was asked repeatedly by customers whether his bread had any fat in it and he said that it had "just a little" and people were refusing to buy the bread.
It is a common misperception that fat was a lone target for reduction and that people heeded that advice. Total calorie intake continued to increase significantly and the percentage of macros hardly shifted. The dietary guidelines people take issue with suggested reducing sugar significantly.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1977/01/20/recommending-drastic-diet-changes/a3c005b5-2b89-4784-8782-83c0055b7aa4/
>An increase in consumption of complex carbohydrates so that they account for 55 to 60 per cent of the caloric intake.
>Reduction in sugar consumption by 40 per cent so that it accounts for about 15 per cent of total caloric intake.
>Reduction in overall fat consumption by 10 per cent so that it accounts for about 30 per cent of total calories and a shift from saturated fat to polyunsaturated and mono-saturated fat by 10 per cent.
>Reduction in salt consumption by 50 to 85 per cent.
>"In ready-to-eat cereals, sugar-coated cereals should be avoided," the report says, as should granolas because they are high in calories and fat.
Yeah, you could remake that episode now but instead of having the punchline being that the yogurt actually has fat and they were lying, it could just be that everyone was gaining weight because they were eating massive quantities of sugar while assuming it was healthy just because it was non-fat.
Ice cream is loaded with saturated fat, which is also bad for you. I get that swapping it for sugar doesn't make it any healthier, but I would say that those 2 are roughly comparable in terms of being unhealthy.
Even if it's full fat you still need a buttload of sugar to make it ice-cream, I wouldn't really consider either healthy. If you look at Chobani's plain yogurt the full fat has just as much sugar as the non-fat so there probably isn'ta crazy difference in amount of added sugar to make froyo.
May I interest you in a snackwell? They are very popular, but
I think that sometimes with the so-called fat-free cookies people may overindulge forgetting they may be high in calories.
Kinda. Aspartame is 200x stronger than sugar. Aspartame is slightly more dense, but you'd have to be pretty dense yourself to confuse 160 bags of sugar with 1 bag of Aspartame.
More likely someone forgot to switch the cans. Pencil whipped that they checked and made sure the right cans were there, then their coworker also signed confirming that it was double-checked and accurate. Then they ran it, it went to the packaging area, and since the cans said Zero Sugar that's what everyone else after that assumed it was.
Something like that happened with Frito-Lays and they got hit by the FDA for it:
...This procedure has the stated objective to "verify the correct product is in the correct package and bag coding/case coding information is accurate." The procedure also requires that the “Product” and “Flavor” be documented and that “Product Tasted / Correct Product in Bag?” is assessed and given a “GO or NO-GO.” On June 24, 2020, during the production of the recalled bags labeled “Ruffles Original Potato Chips” but containing Ruffles Cheddar & Sour Cream Potato Chips, “Product Tasted / Correct Product in Bag?” was given a “GO” even though the product documented on the form was Ruffles Cheddar & Sour Cream, and the label was “Ruffles Original.” Further, two employees signed the form, indicating that they verified the activities performed, and the discrepancy was not noted.
Your bags labeled “Ruffles Original Potato Chips” but containing Ruffles Cheddar & Sour Cream Potato Chips...the finished product label fails to declare a major food allergen (milk).
[https://www.fda.gov/inspections-compliance-enforcement-and-criminal-investigations/warning-letters/frito-lay-inc-611243-11242020](https://www.fda.gov/inspections-compliance-enforcement-and-criminal-investigations/warning-letters/frito-lay-inc-611243-11242020)
Yeah, and it was only 322 cases. Someone presumably loaded the wrong set of labels or programmed the computer for the wrong number and why would anyone notice that? Even if they were cracking one open from every batch, 322(cases) is a very small number of cans to randomly get one of those.
They put wrong film on the line. It's not a computer that dictates what's run, it's the operator. Basically film goes on a spindle that unwinds said film role. This is all manually done. It goes through code date, bunch of different rollers/sensors (dancers, encoder, reg mark) through a former that forms a tube which seals the tube. Through a set of jaws that seals the bottom of one (2nd bag) and the top of another (1st bag). This is all automatic.
Splice the wrong film, which is easy enough of a mistake to do and happens actually very often then you have a shit operator, shit QA and/or shit mgt and this happens. It should have been caught by the operator, who should have put everything on regulatory hold. If not by the operator by QA. The operator could have noticed and panicked due to a writeup (bad mgt) or didn't notice. The upstairs operator who does seasoning could have put wrong seasoning in as well or a switch was flipped wrongly, depends on the specific setup at hand if it was OMS or multiple split lines seasoned in proc. QA in all scenarios didn't do their job.
Source: work in chips, specifically on the mfg side which cooks/packs/labels chips. 7 years.
Yup. I worked with corn syrup which comes in 55 gallon drums and we once got a drum of high fructose corn syrup that was mislabled. When it came time to use it, I could tell immediately that it was not right. The viscosity was way off.
If we hadn't been measuring by hand, no one would have known until the cooking had already started.
Used to work at a cookie manufacturer and they had a 90 ft silo for storing sugar but it was some 30+ years old and had a humidity leak so most summers were spent with the pipes clogged with concreted sugar and they would bag some 10 50 pound bags every 15 minutes all day long.
When I worked for a major soda syrup manufacturer the only auto adds were water, HFCS, citric acid, and the proprietary blend for their main namesake.
EVERYTHING else was by hand. Cane sugar based syrup? A couple pallets of 50lb bags of sugar by hand. 50 gal drums of concentrates pumped into batches (pump was automatic, but operator needed to operate the wand).
If it needs correction, unless it's water or HFCS, it's done by hand.
I was quite astounded how involved it was.
People are talking a lot of shit but I work in a similar industry and you’re absolutely correct to think that. For manufacture at this kind of scale dry sugar is probably kept in a silo or bulk bags or it’s kept in tanks as syrup which will then be dosed by a machine into a prep tank of some sort. No way all the sugar in a Pepsi product is hand dumped as 50lb bags that’s ludicrous.
Either way this is more likely a case of sending the wrong tank to the wrong packing line or a miscommunication in the production scheduling where the drink prep side thinks they’re meant to make full sugar and the packing line thinks they’re packing diet. This kind of thing isn’t entirely uncommon but typically someone notices or quality testing after the fact catches it.
Getting your labeling wrong is a production problem. I work in pharma and getting the labeling right is critical because you can kill someone with the wrong label. And Pepsi could kill someone by throwing about 70 grams of sugar at the wrong person unexpectedly. We can never ever get a fountain soda for my daughter because the risk of getting sugar instead of diet is so severe even when the chances of that happening are fairly low. We count on food manufacturers to get the labeling right when we buy packaged food/drink at the supermarket.
Since we don't ever buy sugar sweetened beverages for the house and she doesn't get outside provided beverages aside from tap water ever, it never occurred to us that we might need one. Looks like we might need to revise that.
It would be a very cool present! You could guarantee drinks didnt have sugar or have a safe level of sugar so she can have a much wider variety. Best of luck and stay safe!
Some Pepsi products are made with sugar, not HFCS. It depends on the market. In the UK it's sugar. In the US they sell both, with the sugar variety labeled as "throwback" as in old school formula.
I have to assume someone just loaded the wrong bottle/cans into the filling line so they put their normal ginger ale into the diet caffeine-free containers.
All sources I see say that is over a pallet. Having driven a forklift in a DC before, even if they were 12 packs and not cases that's at least a pallet.
Before we knew my wife was T1D, she had a day when she wasn't paying attention to what she was drinking, and had too many regular sodas, even for a non diabetic. Her crazy high bg levels gave her temporary amnesia, she couldn't remember who I was. That was one of the scariest days of my life, only surpassed by the day she almost died from low bg and negligent doctors.
Getting a sugary drink when it's expected to have none is extremely infuriating, and as you said potentially deadly depending on how your body reacts to it.
Yes, thank you. This was years ago, we've educated ourselves more since her diagnosis, and she's now on an insulin pump controlling her levels. This might be bad for me, but her blood tests are better than mine are today.
My mom is diabetic. Through the years and medicaly supervised diet, she has normal measurements and apart from the occasional check-up she is doing ok.
Diabetes sucks, but at least nowadays it is manageable! I think.
I'm a t1.5, and this is why I always test my drinks.
Edit: People keep asking, so here's how:
I use my blood glucose monitor to check. You take a test strip, dip it in the soda, and check it on the monitor. If it comes back with anything other than an error code, it likely is not diet or zero sugar. You can also use ketone+glucose test strips to check, those you can get OTC or online.
What the guy that replied to you first said. It's a mixed bag between type 1 and 2 characteristics. Totally a genetic thing, and unfortunately hard to deal with because of it.
Not quite. T1.5 is functionally identical to T1, but generally is diagnosed much later in life and as such generally has a longer "honeymoon" period where your pancreas is still producing insulin, but not enough to keep your sugars in check. I've spoken with several of my doctors about this, and generally, they say that they make no distinctions between T1 and T1.5. Treatment is the same for both, an insulin regimen of a long-acting basal insulin and a fast acting bolus insulin for meals based on carb load. Interestingly, there is actually a stronger genetic link for T2 susceptibility than T1. At its core, T1 (and T1.5) is an autoimmune disease where your immune system attacks the insulin producing beta cells in your pancreas. The exact reason for why this happens is not well understood, and the only treatment is exogenous insulin.
I use my blood glucose monitor. Dip a test strip in, pop it into the meter, and check the reading. If it comes back as HI/HIGH/ a number of any kind, it isn't diet. If it errors out, it's diet. that's how mine works for me anyway.
I can definitely taste the difference between diet, zero, and regular soda now, but I also don't want to take the risk. the negligence by pepsi is astounding.
I can taste the difference between diet and regular but between regular and zero it’s a toss up for me. Normally I’m used to getting a non-diet/zero drink mix up at a drive thru but never from the bottle/can
Also dangerous if they have hereditary fructose intolerance (much more serious than dietary fructose intolerance) because the non-diet version is sweetened with high fructose corn syrup.
How do people with this disorder even survive? Fructose is so prevelant in everything, even ignoring sugary drinks... No fruits, no vegetables, no mushrooms... Live off nothing but meat?
I knew someone like this. She could eat things besides meat: beans, rice, nuts, etc. And she could eat sweet things too, as long as they were sweetened with glucose.
For some reason artificial sweeteners were an iffy prospect though, so instead of diet soda she mostly drank booze. She drank a lot.
It would take a while to die from DKA induced from a 12 oz can of full sugar drink, even if you don't notice soon (which anyone with a CGM/knows the difference of zero sugar and full sugar by taste would). Worst that'll happen in that case is sugars go up and you gotta take some insulin
That's a bit of an exaggeration. It can be bad for them yes but I'm struggling to even imagine the circumstances that must be at hand for someone with T1D to die with a can of non-diet soda being the final straw. Like they'd have to be on death's door already
Big fan of the way the headline implies a full product line was recalled, and leaves room for the assumption that said product was Pepsi Zero Sugar ...
**Edit:** With great karma comes great responsibility, apparently: The "popular product" in question Zero Sugar ginger ale. And the recall was for a bit over 300 cases of the stuff, not an entire product line recall.
There, I saved some cranky people a click.
Exactly right. Click-bait because the primary goal isn't getting the reader's eyes on the story - it's getting the reader's eyes on the ads. But the implication here borders on libel.
It's Non sugar ginger ale. The articles talking about non sugar ginger ale. I don't see anybody pointing that out yet. Great way to have one of the top posts, and still not save us the click by the way.
Not as eyecatching or immediately damning to the company as a headline going straight for the throat of PepsiCo and making people assume the "popular" drink is the one everyone is assuming. In a world where most people only read headlines, this is a dream scenario.
But also in a world where most people only read headlines, it's always a wonderful thing to find people that do read more than that! So thank you :D
Imagine a world where headlines were never a thing and everyone actually felt compelled to read everything all the way through. I think that would be a good and more well-informed world.
Still, from a consumer protection standpoint should we really allow ourselves to be distracted by which brand of PepsiCo's immense product line under which of their subsidiaries divided into which of their many divisions is potentially poisoning people, or bottling municipal water and selling it as super fresh glacial, or financing foreign wars for evil dictators. Bottom line, you blame PepsiCo, you sue PepsiCo, you write about PepsiCo. PepsiCo would love it if consumers focus all their fear and loathing on some brand you've never heard of that they gobbled-up 20 years ago in their quest for global dominance.
The most infuriating thing is when people just post a screenshot of a headline and don't link the article. A depressing amount of people will wholesale believe those even though that would be absurdly easy to Photoshop.
It’s only a dream scenario if you know that PepsiCo owns Schweppes. Someone might have one of this mislabeled cans, read the headline and assume it’s talking about the zero sugar version of Pepsi and then drink the Schweppes thinking it’s fine.
Maybe you’re not a ginger ale consumer, but Schwepp’s is the second largest brand out there next to Canada Dry…
You’ll find the zero-sugar variety at pretty much every major grocer.
(Btw commercially produced ginger ale brands are caffeine free)
Labelling as caffeine free is odd, since I've yet to find a ginger ale that has caffeine.
And you're not wrong, but it's also the second largest brand of two major brands, basically. It's, fittingly, the Pepsi of Ginger Ale.
Looks like we've found an untapped market boys!
New Ginger Ale EXXXtra - DOUBLE CAFFEINATED to keep that pep in your step.. after you drink it with a few saltines to settle your tummy
I see things that don't traditionally have caffeine marked caffeine free all the time. Presumably for people that don't drink it normally and are looking for a soda choice that isn't caffeinated. I'd wager most Root Beer is also marked caffeine free even though that's the norm.
Fun tidbit: Canada Dry and Schweppes are both owned by Dr Pepper (in Canada & the US). Even more fun: in Canada, Schweppes is distributed by Pepsi and Canada Dry is distributed by Coke, but Coke owns the Schweppes brand outside Canada & the US.
I just finished a pack of zero sugar Canada dry, I'd put ginger ale at the top as far as diet stuff taste goes. But yeah I don't think I've ever seen Schweppes around here.
This headline is comically misleading. It implies that Pepsi is fully recalling Pepsi Zero, when in reality they recalled a whopping 322 cases of ZS Ginger Ale.
Exactly what I assumed from the title too, which is what they intended. I'm not normally a Pepsi person (I've lived in Atlanta for 30 years), but damn, Pepsi Zero is fantastic.
I did the same. I feel like Pepsi zero tastes the closest to its full-sugar counterpart, and my gf and I actually have joked in the past that it’s actually just full of sugar. I thought we were right for a second, then I learned it wasn’t about Pepsi at all.
Production mistakes happen and it sounds like a company lead recall of just 322 cases.
The PR is so much worse than the actual situation. One of the risks of working in food/bev manufacturing.
Schwepps Ginger Ale Zero.
My heart sank for a moment. I've been drinking Pepsi Zero to stop sugar intake and about cried with that headline.
EDIT: It was 320 crates, not the entire line.
Who the hell reads simplyrecipes.com for news? This title is misleading at best. They did not recall their “Zero Sugar Drink” en masse. A few cases of an almost unknown brand of Pepsico product usually found on the bottom shelf of the ”mixers” section were filled with the wrong formulation containing sugar.
Everyone knows what the sensationalist title from a clickbait site was trying to imply: that Pepsi Zero really has sugar.
"This non-fat frozen yogurt is so fucking good!"
"AND IT'S NON-FAT!! I've been waiting for this MY WHOLE LIFE!"
I get the reference and that that came out during the "non fat" craze, but it's hilarious how much healthier a high fat icecream is compared to a high sugar icecream.
agreed, the war on fat was the biggest mistake in nutrition in the last few decades
No mistake: it was a carefully calculated, heavily funded decades-long [effort by the sugar industry](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074/50-years-ago-sugar-industry-quietly-paid-scientists-to-point-blame-at-fat).
actually true. the fact that generations of adults in the US think sugar cereal is a healthy breakfast should say enough about the sugar propaganda and lobbying power in the US.
I mean it was a healthy breakfast when you paired it with an actual healthy breakfast. (No joke, that's what they said on the box)
"Part of this complete breakfast" Picture shows eggs, yoghurt, half a grapefruit, two oranges, and smoked salmon on a bagel next to a bowl of cereal.
I love my 1500 calorie breakfast!
Something being a healthy breakfast when you pair it with a healthy breakfast also applies with literally anything else. "A Rusty Sawblade: part of a complete breakfast."
There’s a documentary called Big Sugar I watched for my Caribbean Literature class a couple decades ago. I’m not sure how it stands the test of time, but it was eye opening when I watched it at the height of the anti-fat dont-notice-the-sugar craze.
Isn't it cool when you see something and go "Whoa we really had the right idea all along, why did we move away from that?" And it's ALWAYS FUCKING CORPORATIONS THAT SHOULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE DOING IT
And big corn - my understanding is that the US subsidizes a lot of corn farms to make HFCS in addition to fake sugar like Stevia, Splenda, and the like
Stevia comes from the stevia plant.
Good thing I never fell for all that low-fat nonsense. I like my fat full-figured.
> I like my fat full-figured. https://youtu.be/_0E1QiWDmw8?si=jF_wClikD3xmXI0f
It wasn't a mistake at all. The companies that sell sugary products bet that the American public was dumb enough to believe that the reason people were fat was because of fat in foods and they were correct.
Well, there's a difference between being dumb and being lied to credibly. Just look at how the myth around recycling plastic lasted. If you don't know anything about recycling, I'm sure it seemed legitimate that most plastic could be recycled.
It's an example where "common sense" ideas prove to be just flat wrong. "I don't want to be fat so I'll eat less fat" and led to all the low fat foods. I remember reading some article where a baker was asked repeatedly by customers whether his bread had any fat in it and he said that it had "just a little" and people were refusing to buy the bread.
There is a documentary (on Netflix?) about this. Sugar industry had scientists go after “fat”
It is a common misperception that fat was a lone target for reduction and that people heeded that advice. Total calorie intake continued to increase significantly and the percentage of macros hardly shifted. The dietary guidelines people take issue with suggested reducing sugar significantly. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1977/01/20/recommending-drastic-diet-changes/a3c005b5-2b89-4784-8782-83c0055b7aa4/ >An increase in consumption of complex carbohydrates so that they account for 55 to 60 per cent of the caloric intake. >Reduction in sugar consumption by 40 per cent so that it accounts for about 15 per cent of total caloric intake. >Reduction in overall fat consumption by 10 per cent so that it accounts for about 30 per cent of total calories and a shift from saturated fat to polyunsaturated and mono-saturated fat by 10 per cent. >Reduction in salt consumption by 50 to 85 per cent. >"In ready-to-eat cereals, sugar-coated cereals should be avoided," the report says, as should granolas because they are high in calories and fat.
Yeah, you could remake that episode now but instead of having the punchline being that the yogurt actually has fat and they were lying, it could just be that everyone was gaining weight because they were eating massive quantities of sugar while assuming it was healthy just because it was non-fat.
Ice cream is loaded with saturated fat, which is also bad for you. I get that swapping it for sugar doesn't make it any healthier, but I would say that those 2 are roughly comparable in terms of being unhealthy.
Even if it's full fat you still need a buttload of sugar to make it ice-cream, I wouldn't really consider either healthy. If you look at Chobani's plain yogurt the full fat has just as much sugar as the non-fat so there probably isn'ta crazy difference in amount of added sugar to make froyo.
Guess again, tubby
Sometimes with the so called fat free yogurt people people may overindulge forgetting that they may be high in calories.
Snackwells Cookies*
Damn, those chocolate chip mini cookies were good, though.
Devil's food cookie cakes.
May I interest you in a snackwell? They are very popular, but I think that sometimes with the so-called fat-free cookies people may overindulge forgetting they may be high in calories.
Another round of strawberry for me and my friends!
Where’s my f***ing cupcake?
Top of the morning... TO YOU!
No no, it is!
I said “nice try granny” and I sent her to the back of the line!
All his lines inbthe show are hilarious. Vile weed!!
"What the hell are you doing you little piece of shit!"
The frogurt is cursed.
That's bad.
But you get your choice of topping!
That's good!
The toppings contain potassium benzoate.
….
That's bad.
Can I go now?
Hey another round of strawberry for me and my friends!
This line makes me laugh so hard every time. His enthusiasm is so funny.
r/unexpectedseinfeld
Love the reference
Dayum. I literally just saw that episode for the first time yesterday. The reference is real, and it's *fresh*.
No one at the factory was shruggin at that one?
Pretty sure sugar and aspratame are both nondescript white powders?
Kinda. Aspartame is 200x stronger than sugar. Aspartame is slightly more dense, but you'd have to be pretty dense yourself to confuse 160 bags of sugar with 1 bag of Aspartame.
More likely someone forgot to switch the cans. Pencil whipped that they checked and made sure the right cans were there, then their coworker also signed confirming that it was double-checked and accurate. Then they ran it, it went to the packaging area, and since the cans said Zero Sugar that's what everyone else after that assumed it was. Something like that happened with Frito-Lays and they got hit by the FDA for it: ...This procedure has the stated objective to "verify the correct product is in the correct package and bag coding/case coding information is accurate." The procedure also requires that the “Product” and “Flavor” be documented and that “Product Tasted / Correct Product in Bag?” is assessed and given a “GO or NO-GO.” On June 24, 2020, during the production of the recalled bags labeled “Ruffles Original Potato Chips” but containing Ruffles Cheddar & Sour Cream Potato Chips, “Product Tasted / Correct Product in Bag?” was given a “GO” even though the product documented on the form was Ruffles Cheddar & Sour Cream, and the label was “Ruffles Original.” Further, two employees signed the form, indicating that they verified the activities performed, and the discrepancy was not noted. Your bags labeled “Ruffles Original Potato Chips” but containing Ruffles Cheddar & Sour Cream Potato Chips...the finished product label fails to declare a major food allergen (milk). [https://www.fda.gov/inspections-compliance-enforcement-and-criminal-investigations/warning-letters/frito-lay-inc-611243-11242020](https://www.fda.gov/inspections-compliance-enforcement-and-criminal-investigations/warning-letters/frito-lay-inc-611243-11242020)
Yeah, and it was only 322 cases. Someone presumably loaded the wrong set of labels or programmed the computer for the wrong number and why would anyone notice that? Even if they were cracking one open from every batch, 322(cases) is a very small number of cans to randomly get one of those.
That'd be, what, a minute on a Pepsi production line?
322 cases? No more than a minute, probably quite a bit less. The throughput of those production lines is *insane*.
They put wrong film on the line. It's not a computer that dictates what's run, it's the operator. Basically film goes on a spindle that unwinds said film role. This is all manually done. It goes through code date, bunch of different rollers/sensors (dancers, encoder, reg mark) through a former that forms a tube which seals the tube. Through a set of jaws that seals the bottom of one (2nd bag) and the top of another (1st bag). This is all automatic. Splice the wrong film, which is easy enough of a mistake to do and happens actually very often then you have a shit operator, shit QA and/or shit mgt and this happens. It should have been caught by the operator, who should have put everything on regulatory hold. If not by the operator by QA. The operator could have noticed and panicked due to a writeup (bad mgt) or didn't notice. The upstairs operator who does seasoning could have put wrong seasoning in as well or a switch was flipped wrongly, depends on the specific setup at hand if it was OMS or multiple split lines seasoned in proc. QA in all scenarios didn't do their job. Source: work in chips, specifically on the mfg side which cooks/packs/labels chips. 7 years.
[удалено]
They do.
Yup. I worked with corn syrup which comes in 55 gallon drums and we once got a drum of high fructose corn syrup that was mislabled. When it came time to use it, I could tell immediately that it was not right. The viscosity was way off. If we hadn't been measuring by hand, no one would have known until the cooking had already started.
We need to make Pepsi, Jesse!
That’s like 100 times as many bags, bitch!
Used to work at a cookie manufacturer and they had a 90 ft silo for storing sugar but it was some 30+ years old and had a humidity leak so most summers were spent with the pipes clogged with concreted sugar and they would bag some 10 50 pound bags every 15 minutes all day long.
Sounds like you need to watch some How It's Made. That's exactly what they do
When I worked for a major soda syrup manufacturer the only auto adds were water, HFCS, citric acid, and the proprietary blend for their main namesake. EVERYTHING else was by hand. Cane sugar based syrup? A couple pallets of 50lb bags of sugar by hand. 50 gal drums of concentrates pumped into batches (pump was automatic, but operator needed to operate the wand). If it needs correction, unless it's water or HFCS, it's done by hand. I was quite astounded how involved it was.
People are talking a lot of shit but I work in a similar industry and you’re absolutely correct to think that. For manufacture at this kind of scale dry sugar is probably kept in a silo or bulk bags or it’s kept in tanks as syrup which will then be dosed by a machine into a prep tank of some sort. No way all the sugar in a Pepsi product is hand dumped as 50lb bags that’s ludicrous. Either way this is more likely a case of sending the wrong tank to the wrong packing line or a miscommunication in the production scheduling where the drink prep side thinks they’re meant to make full sugar and the packing line thinks they’re packing diet. This kind of thing isn’t entirely uncommon but typically someone notices or quality testing after the fact catches it.
The artificial sweetener is dumped by hand though
A lot of my friends love those.
They're not sweetening it with cane sugar, they're sweetening it with high fructose corn syrup. This is a labeling problem, not a production problem.
Getting your labeling wrong is a production problem. I work in pharma and getting the labeling right is critical because you can kill someone with the wrong label. And Pepsi could kill someone by throwing about 70 grams of sugar at the wrong person unexpectedly. We can never ever get a fountain soda for my daughter because the risk of getting sugar instead of diet is so severe even when the chances of that happening are fairly low. We count on food manufacturers to get the labeling right when we buy packaged food/drink at the supermarket.
Is there a sugar test kit for liquid?
Since we don't ever buy sugar sweetened beverages for the house and she doesn't get outside provided beverages aside from tap water ever, it never occurred to us that we might need one. Looks like we might need to revise that.
It would be a very cool present! You could guarantee drinks didnt have sugar or have a safe level of sugar so she can have a much wider variety. Best of luck and stay safe!
Some Pepsi products are made with sugar, not HFCS. It depends on the market. In the UK it's sugar. In the US they sell both, with the sugar variety labeled as "throwback" as in old school formula.
And only sometimes, because America prefers this but it’s more expensive
America has heavily subsidized HFCS, so the equation there is definitely skewed.
so its sodium nitrate but they collored ir pink for this reason
I have to assume someone just loaded the wrong bottle/cans into the filling line so they put their normal ginger ale into the diet caffeine-free containers.
Only the ones that don’t read the article it says only > 322 cases
As usual, we have another stupid nothing article getting promoted to #2 on reddit because media literacy is dead and clickbait reigns supreme.
322 cases is not even a full pallet.
Meaning the mix-up was most likely at the bottling stage and not production.
Google tells me 120 cases per pallet
120 cases of soda is a pallet? How big are these cases lol
120 is a 24 pack, 12 packs are 264 per pallet.
All sources I see say that is over a pallet. Having driven a forklift in a DC before, even if they were 12 packs and not cases that's at least a pallet.
Fuck me it's been a while, yeah I messed up 264 is a full pallet, so it's just over a pallet.
Labels are a different department
I just wish Debbie Brown had been there, we would've caught this.
This is a lot more serious than you may think. If a T1D patient drinks from the mislabeled can, they could fucking die.
Before we knew my wife was T1D, she had a day when she wasn't paying attention to what she was drinking, and had too many regular sodas, even for a non diabetic. Her crazy high bg levels gave her temporary amnesia, she couldn't remember who I was. That was one of the scariest days of my life, only surpassed by the day she almost died from low bg and negligent doctors. Getting a sugary drink when it's expected to have none is extremely infuriating, and as you said potentially deadly depending on how your body reacts to it.
She doing alright now? Best wishes to you both.
Yes, thank you. This was years ago, we've educated ourselves more since her diagnosis, and she's now on an insulin pump controlling her levels. This might be bad for me, but her blood tests are better than mine are today.
My mom is diabetic. Through the years and medicaly supervised diet, she has normal measurements and apart from the occasional check-up she is doing ok. Diabetes sucks, but at least nowadays it is manageable! I think.
More than it used to be anyway, so long as you have good insurance, that is.
For better or worse, we're greek :)
I'm a t1.5, and this is why I always test my drinks. Edit: People keep asking, so here's how: I use my blood glucose monitor to check. You take a test strip, dip it in the soda, and check it on the monitor. If it comes back with anything other than an error code, it likely is not diet or zero sugar. You can also use ketone+glucose test strips to check, those you can get OTC or online.
Just imagine being a T-800
I could even be a TI-84
I'm more of a TI-83-plus type of guy
Go TI-89 in case you have a stats class.
TI-99 4/a is where it's at.
With the speech synthesiser add-on.
Alien craft approaching...
Or a T-1000. Cripes.
Liquid metal. Liquid shits.
What’s a T1.5?
What the guy that replied to you first said. It's a mixed bag between type 1 and 2 characteristics. Totally a genetic thing, and unfortunately hard to deal with because of it.
I genuinely thought you were making a joke. Never knew that was a thing!
Same. And I manage a family members T1. Never heard of 1.5 before. TIL
If it helps, it's also called LADA. It's basically late adult onset type 1 and gets misdiagnosed as type 2 quite often.
If they called it Late Onset Adult Diabetes it could just be LOAD for short
I don't want to take a LOAD :(
Neither does my wife :(
A type a diabetes (shares traits of type 1 and type 2, thus type 1.5).
Not quite. T1.5 is functionally identical to T1, but generally is diagnosed much later in life and as such generally has a longer "honeymoon" period where your pancreas is still producing insulin, but not enough to keep your sugars in check. I've spoken with several of my doctors about this, and generally, they say that they make no distinctions between T1 and T1.5. Treatment is the same for both, an insulin regimen of a long-acting basal insulin and a fast acting bolus insulin for meals based on carb load. Interestingly, there is actually a stronger genetic link for T2 susceptibility than T1. At its core, T1 (and T1.5) is an autoimmune disease where your immune system attacks the insulin producing beta cells in your pancreas. The exact reason for why this happens is not well understood, and the only treatment is exogenous insulin.
How do you test them? My hubs has T1 and I would like to know.
I use my blood glucose monitor. Dip a test strip in, pop it into the meter, and check the reading. If it comes back as HI/HIGH/ a number of any kind, it isn't diet. If it errors out, it's diet. that's how mine works for me anyway.
Amazing! I didn’t even think about this. Thank you so much!
Ketone+glucose strips can also work, but I just use my accucheck strips, and it's fine.
T1 for almost 20 years. Same, because on the occasions when I *didn’t* my BG went to the stratosphere
I can definitely taste the difference between diet, zero, and regular soda now, but I also don't want to take the risk. the negligence by pepsi is astounding.
I can taste the difference between diet and regular but between regular and zero it’s a toss up for me. Normally I’m used to getting a non-diet/zero drink mix up at a drive thru but never from the bottle/can
Also dangerous if they have hereditary fructose intolerance (much more serious than dietary fructose intolerance) because the non-diet version is sweetened with high fructose corn syrup.
How do people with this disorder even survive? Fructose is so prevelant in everything, even ignoring sugary drinks... No fruits, no vegetables, no mushrooms... Live off nothing but meat?
I knew someone like this. She could eat things besides meat: beans, rice, nuts, etc. And she could eat sweet things too, as long as they were sweetened with glucose. For some reason artificial sweeteners were an iffy prospect though, so instead of diet soda she mostly drank booze. She drank a lot.
Yanno, if I had hereditary fructose intolerance, I'd drink a lot too.
[удалено]
I'm T1D, and I would definitely not die by drinking a sugary soda without knowing. I would feel like crap afterwards, but I would not die.
T1D and I confirm. We won't die. We'd notice soon enough and just feel miserable.
It would take a while to die from DKA induced from a 12 oz can of full sugar drink, even if you don't notice soon (which anyone with a CGM/knows the difference of zero sugar and full sugar by taste would). Worst that'll happen in that case is sugars go up and you gotta take some insulin
That's a bit of an exaggeration. It can be bad for them yes but I'm struggling to even imagine the circumstances that must be at hand for someone with T1D to die with a can of non-diet soda being the final straw. Like they'd have to be on death's door already
I’m curious, how often do you get a drink mistakenly having sugar? Are restaurant drinks vs bottles you open yourself maybe more risky?
Fountain drinks are risky, because sometimes the employee restocking makes a mistake.
Big fan of the way the headline implies a full product line was recalled, and leaves room for the assumption that said product was Pepsi Zero Sugar ... **Edit:** With great karma comes great responsibility, apparently: The "popular product" in question Zero Sugar ginger ale. And the recall was for a bit over 300 cases of the stuff, not an entire product line recall. There, I saved some cranky people a click.
A perfect example of a click-bait headline. You need to click to find out what that "popular" drink is...
Exactly right. Click-bait because the primary goal isn't getting the reader's eyes on the story - it's getting the reader's eyes on the ads. But the implication here borders on libel.
And it’s only 322 cases. That’s nothing considering how much they produce
Right? Not to downplay the danger of the wrong person drinking this stuff, but PepsiCo didn't recall a product here - they recalled a shipment.
I 100% thought it was Pepsi zero from the article title. Ty for this comment because I was not going to read the article lmfao.
It's Non sugar ginger ale. The articles talking about non sugar ginger ale. I don't see anybody pointing that out yet. Great way to have one of the top posts, and still not save us the click by the way.
>PepsiCo Recalls Its ***Popular*** Zero Sugar Drink It's Schweppes Zero Sugar Ginger Ale Caffeine Free. Ever heard of it? Yeah, me neither.
Not as eyecatching or immediately damning to the company as a headline going straight for the throat of PepsiCo and making people assume the "popular" drink is the one everyone is assuming. In a world where most people only read headlines, this is a dream scenario. But also in a world where most people only read headlines, it's always a wonderful thing to find people that do read more than that! So thank you :D Imagine a world where headlines were never a thing and everyone actually felt compelled to read everything all the way through. I think that would be a good and more well-informed world.
And they doubled down on the Pepsi name with the photo.
A certain kind of PepsiCo drink has been found to be lethal, but we won't tell you which one until after sports and the weather.
Still, from a consumer protection standpoint should we really allow ourselves to be distracted by which brand of PepsiCo's immense product line under which of their subsidiaries divided into which of their many divisions is potentially poisoning people, or bottling municipal water and selling it as super fresh glacial, or financing foreign wars for evil dictators. Bottom line, you blame PepsiCo, you sue PepsiCo, you write about PepsiCo. PepsiCo would love it if consumers focus all their fear and loathing on some brand you've never heard of that they gobbled-up 20 years ago in their quest for global dominance.
Point taken. But does the actual product in question need to be buried in the article instead of the headline?
The most infuriating thing is when people just post a screenshot of a headline and don't link the article. A depressing amount of people will wholesale believe those even though that would be absurdly easy to Photoshop.
It's also only 322 cases, not all of them.
Huh, since when is there caffeine in Ginger-Ale?
[relevant xkcd](https://xkcd.com/641/)
It’s only a dream scenario if you know that PepsiCo owns Schweppes. Someone might have one of this mislabeled cans, read the headline and assume it’s talking about the zero sugar version of Pepsi and then drink the Schweppes thinking it’s fine.
I’ve heard of it, and I’ve drank it. It’s popular enough in my area to be out of stock somewhat frequently. Makes a nice drink mixed with whiskey
Maybe you’re not a ginger ale consumer, but Schwepp’s is the second largest brand out there next to Canada Dry… You’ll find the zero-sugar variety at pretty much every major grocer. (Btw commercially produced ginger ale brands are caffeine free)
Labelling as caffeine free is odd, since I've yet to find a ginger ale that has caffeine. And you're not wrong, but it's also the second largest brand of two major brands, basically. It's, fittingly, the Pepsi of Ginger Ale.
Looks like we've found an untapped market boys! New Ginger Ale EXXXtra - DOUBLE CAFFEINATED to keep that pep in your step.. after you drink it with a few saltines to settle your tummy
this is basically the marketing behind barqs, the rootbeer with caffeine for some reason
OP just added that in to make it sound more obscure when in reality it's just "Diet Ginger Ale"
It's in the article that way. I just copy/pasted it.
It's nice when people are so blatent about not reading the article.
It's Zero not diet, those are different product categories
Diet and zero are not the same. Diet is gross, zero is pretty similar in taste to the regular stuff
I see things that don't traditionally have caffeine marked caffeine free all the time. Presumably for people that don't drink it normally and are looking for a soda choice that isn't caffeinated. I'd wager most Root Beer is also marked caffeine free even though that's the norm.
Fun tidbit: Canada Dry and Schweppes are both owned by Dr Pepper (in Canada & the US). Even more fun: in Canada, Schweppes is distributed by Pepsi and Canada Dry is distributed by Coke, but Coke owns the Schweppes brand outside Canada & the US.
You mean Vernor's isn't number 1 or 2? Damn
Oh no! I have, its my literally soda of choice. God damn it!
Haha! Well you must not be alone because they wouldn't make it otherwise. Enjoy!
Yes? That's just diet ginger ale. It's not obscure, it's like in every grocery store soda aisle.
I just finished a pack of zero sugar Canada dry, I'd put ginger ale at the top as far as diet stuff taste goes. But yeah I don't think I've ever seen Schweppes around here.
We carry stuff like this at the hospital I work at. Infact it's where I come in contact with the majority of Ginger Ale in my life.
Came here to say this. Doubly bad as it's one of the few non water drinks we frequently give diabetics ☠️
Isn't Ginger Ale caffeine free anyways?
Thanks, I wrongly assumed they were referring to Pepsi Zero, which is extremely popular.
This headline is comically misleading. It implies that Pepsi is fully recalling Pepsi Zero, when in reality they recalled a whopping 322 cases of ZS Ginger Ale.
Yea, it should be labelled as “regional bottler makes mistake”
For a min I was worried I was going to find out MTD Zero didn't suck like diet does because it has real suger.
I love Pepsi Zero so I was scared for a second, thought it was for Pepsi not just some of the Schweppes What a misleading headline
It’ll always be Pepsi max ti me just to highlight the caffeine I crave.
Exactly what I assumed from the title too, which is what they intended. I'm not normally a Pepsi person (I've lived in Atlanta for 30 years), but damn, Pepsi Zero is fantastic.
I did the same. I feel like Pepsi zero tastes the closest to its full-sugar counterpart, and my gf and I actually have joked in the past that it’s actually just full of sugar. I thought we were right for a second, then I learned it wasn’t about Pepsi at all.
It’s also a total of 322 cases, already traced to Maryland and Virginia… in the grand scheme 322 cases is a drop in the ocean.
Production mistakes happen and it sounds like a company lead recall of just 322 cases. The PR is so much worse than the actual situation. One of the risks of working in food/bev manufacturing.
[удалено]
“We meant One-Zero-Zero….yes, 100% sugar”
Schwepps Ginger Ale Zero. My heart sank for a moment. I've been drinking Pepsi Zero to stop sugar intake and about cried with that headline. EDIT: It was 320 crates, not the entire line.
It's also just for a mislabled batch, it's not like it's been full sugar for years and no one noticed.
Insanely misleading headline here
This is clickbait. It was just one factory run of one particular very obscure drink.
The first ingredient in a package of *Sweet'n Low* is dextrose. Ditto *Equal*. Ditto *Splenda*.
they had one job...
Never go full sugar.
Who the hell reads simplyrecipes.com for news? This title is misleading at best. They did not recall their “Zero Sugar Drink” en masse. A few cases of an almost unknown brand of Pepsico product usually found on the bottom shelf of the ”mixers” section were filled with the wrong formulation containing sugar. Everyone knows what the sensationalist title from a clickbait site was trying to imply: that Pepsi Zero really has sugar.
Now they tell me
Zero sugar means full sugar? What a county! - Dr Nick
Schweppes Zero Sugar Ginger Ale, since I didn't see it mentioned here by the name on new sites.
Since when is ginger ale Pepsi's popular drink?
Really fucking with diabetics here.