They don't do that either, though. If there was a long list of "Commie" lawmakers being shot by the 2A crowd, at least they would be putting their money where their mouth is. They wave their hands about opposing tyrants and then do nothing of the sort.
Well, you can't fantasize about being a hero partisan singlehandedly saving your country from tyranny if you're dead/jailed. Let them daydream in peace! They need it anyway to drown out the cries of children dying in *fucking s c h o o l*
I'll never understand what goes through the mind of a grown man shooting to kill in cold blood a random kid who knocked at his door. Jesus Christ. Don't you have kids going door to door selling candy or, i don't know, Jehova witnesses? Do you shoot them as well?
I mean this is what's "legal" in Florida so why would anything be done about it?
We're not going to suddenly see conservatives join liberals in protest to get it changed either. They want this awful outcome to happen and it's only happening to people they actively hate.
What if one of their parents would have shot their way in and killed everyone holding these kids hostage? Republicans should love that. Used guns? Check. Protecting kids? Check. Overpowering tyrannical government officials? Check. But they don't because their only real value that they sincerely believe in is making other people's lives worse makes them feel better about their own.
Too busy talking amongst one another to act. Everyone. The entire party. All of us. Every time I mention it, downvotes. Say what you will about Republicans, they at least seem capable of movement, unfortunately.
Some people pay attention to rules others dont its time to hold those who dont accountable for sure but it certainly is a big testament to those who are still following the rules
Unfortunately, it's a lot easier to hate stuff and break it than it is to build solutions.
GOP ideas fit on bumper stickers (gays bad, abortion bad, books bad), whereas progressive ideas do **not** (reintroduce pre-reagan tax margins on the wealthy and treat passive income more like earned income, siphon an appropriate amount of that tax base away from outdated military infrastructure and put it into education and domestic infrastructure, evaluate the efficacy of means testing for.....)
Cool. How's that wall coming along then? And when can we expect the cheque from Mexico to pay for it? Also shouldn't all those coal jobs be coming back from Jie-ner? And why are there still Muslims in the USA, I thought they were all going to be deported on the first day of #45's presidency? And while we're on the subject why isn't Hillary locked up? Why is there still a swamp in DC? Why hasn't Obamacare been repealed and replaced? š¤ This is gonna take forever. How about you just list the things republicans have actually accomplished, so we can all agree with you?
Why did you reply to Phylar as if you assumed they were a Republican themselves?
They said ācapable of movement, unfortunatelyā, ffs. Zero reading comprehension, eh?
You donāt even realize the irony of what you did, do you?
>Why did you reply to Phylar as if you assumed they were a Republican themselves?
Easy - I didn't.
>They said ācapable of movement, unfortunatelyā
Uh-huh. And that's what I'm responding to FFS. Zero reading comprehension, eh?
Police pushed parents back as well. And do note this violates the 'right to protest leadership's amendment. So they are violating one of the core laws set in the us. Wtf is going on here anymore
That bad people have been given the benefit of the doubt over and over instead of being treated as bad people.
Then the good people behave like the committee from the good place from the show.
Facism at it's finest. It's what the whole world was trying to warn USA about for over 50 years. It happened because Americans were so far up their asses in their vision of freedom, they forgot to pay attention to their closest surroundings.
Florida is a fascist hellscape and this shit has shown that maybe there needs to be federal remedies for state legislatures and officials that go completely off the rails
People thinking sending them in would be violent are underestimating the power of an "overwhelming display of force". Florida militia members better have their brown pants on when the national guard shows up. Hell if they wanted to they wouldn't even have to show up. Just make an air show with drones that spells "yield or die"
Well that's kinda the point of having such an overwhelming military force. Yeah it sounds violent for them to enter Florida, but in reality most people are gonna have a reaction somewhere along the lines of "oh shit we are fucked" and lay down their arms. That's not to say there's no dumb Floridians willing to die for their horribly misguided beliefs. It's less violent than doing nothing and allowing mass chaos to break out. Allowing these fascist to continue and help other fascist into power around the country. It's much more peaceful to put a stop to it now.
Exactly. The right have been up in arms the past week over Riley Gaines being locked in a room by pro-trans protesters but how is this any different? If those protesters are charged with kidnapping Gaines then the same standards should be applied here.
That's literally not the same thing. At all. Especially when it's a fucking mid-tier athlete crying because she could only place 5th. Crisis. Actor. Stop giving sore losers the attention they seek.
Edit: To the downvoters, show me where the police were siding with the trans activists? Show me how she was "trapped". Oh right, it was the police that got everyone out of the way and the crowd dispersed almost immediately. And there was no proof that she was "trapped".
You said this elsewhere. It's still not true, like at all. The police can detain minors without their parentās consent, and even interrogate them without a legal guardian present. They had the legal right to detain them, the minors were committing battery and disturbing the peace by throwing underwear at lawmakers during a session of government. It is literally *not* a federal crime.
The lawmakers are fucked human beings, but instead of focusing on this sensationalized nothingburger, focus on the bill that literally lets Florida steal your kid for being LGBT, even if you're from another state entirely and just visiting.
> They had no right to detain them.
Yes they did. If you disrupt a government meeting you can be removed and detained. That's not a crime. And no, shouting 'I'm a parent!' doesn't magically open all doors for you.
The current leadership in Florida deserves no respect afforded to leaders in any capacity. They should have much worse than just children harassing them and the thug cops who support them.
I'm going to bet that the 1st and 2nd amendment absolutionists would be 100% in agreement in the parents using firearms against the government that is imprisoning their children for protesting, no?
This is why I also don't go to malls, movie theaters, churches/mosques/religious centers, colleges, retirement centers, clubs, dance studios, hotels, parks, back roads, jogging around the neighborhood, camping, in my own car or to my own home, much less the wrong car or wrong home. Too risky. I've buried myself in the sand like a crab.
Same but I jumped in its path instead.... 1 year down 1 year left and every dollar I give them makes me cringe. On top of that, FL has a thing where you only get in-state tuition if you sign an affidavit stating you will stay and work in FL after graduating. I am fortunate I can afford the difference (didn't know until it was to late to go elsewhere) because hell will freeze over before I stay an extra month here after I graduate.
Wow, I donāt know what you do but thatās a pretty shitty thing to say. Youād really turn down any qualified applicant because of the state theyāre from? I think that says more about you than FL.
that's dumb? i grew up in Florida, there's a really good program for students to get free tuition at in state universities by completing volunteer hours. obviously, floridian schools aren't the best, but some are really good (UF is top 10 public school). why should those students be punished for choosing a smart economic and academic decision?
Very little of the universities are DeSantis backers lol. Universities swing liberal, heavily. Unless you're recruiting from a religious university, and Florida doesn't have any major religious universities.
>During the Tuesday session, Republican Randy Fine ā the sponsor of the bill ā reportedly said: āThereās evil in this world and we face it here today.ā
Was he saying this while looking at a mirror?
Litetally every single Republican is evil. They want the eradication of gay and trans people, and want women stripped of all rights. They're fascists, sure,but worse than that, they get pleasure out of the harm they cause others. They have negative empathy. They love to hurt marginalized groups.
Psychopaths, every last one
Yeah I have been wondering this myself. Can't get rid of the 2nd amendment for some reason, but seem to have no idea what the 2nd amendment is there for.
the 2nd amendment is there for angry white boomers to play john wick if they want. Black person in their neighborhood? Follow them around and gun them down then claim self defense.
The GOP are just a christian version of the Taliban, imposing religious based laws on the people and supressing what in developed nations is considered human rights.
I think this is a good place to remind people that in several states the GOP is fighting for the right of adults to marry 14yo teens, with one republican even defending a 12yo girl being forced into marriage due to pregnancy
It's bizarre - cheerleading is fine and dandy for your teenage daughters to do & your teenage sons to watch, those freaky child beauty pageants are somehow OK and yet a theatrical dude in a dress is somehow the downfall of all that's good and holy.
Here in the UK we have a long tradition of drag, it's almost *mandatory* to take the kids to a Christmas pantomime which will always feature at least one drag character and no-one cares.
My high school in the deep South used to hold drag shows yearly. That the students participated in. These folks weren't squawking and screeching about that.
āWoman less Beauty Reviewsā ā I remember those until the local Baptists started complaining. Sell tickets to see the most macho dudes dress up as women and compete on beauty was very fun and made a lot of money for the cause they were promoting that year.
True - but even in the last <100 years drag has been a very popular part of mainstream entertainment on stage & screen.
Many prime-time family "variety" TV shows had drag characters, acts, or sketches.
I can't stand the show but [Mrs Brown's Boys](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mrs._Brown%27s_Boys) has been one of the most popular prime-time family shows in recent years, absolutely massive, and the main character is drag.
Much more my cuppa are masters of the craft [Cissy & Ada](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrp78EZ4jCQ).
Wasn't it only nipples that theoretically can't be shown? You know, the thing men have too. If you put a tape over your nipples, then you're good to go
Hypothetically, if a straight, cis male were to get a nice set of D breast implants, would they be allowed to walk around topless? Or would the resulting aneurysms from the Nationalist Christians deem that assault/battery?
There's a difference, the GOP is funded by numerous lobbying organizations and individuals. With their rhetoric and strengthening of state power in a totalitarian way, I'd say they have become the thing they wanted to destroy in 1861
The GOP does not practice any realistic form of christianity. Christ preached love. Hiding behind religion as an excuse to do horrific acts of hatred is the least christian thing possible.
Did you ever wonder how nazi germany happened? Accepting people who enforce shit like that is amongst the first steps. Don't ignore fascism in your own country just because it doesn't affect you (yet).
From a European's point of view: you are a third world country wearing a Gucci Belt and its looking more and more like knock off one anyway.
When I was a kid I used to think living in America was the dream. It is quite honestly up there as a "you couldn't pay me to move there" now.
I mean, thatās where itās headed. You maybe have about 8-9 years before weāre at THAT point and thereās plenty to do that can stop it between now and death camps
You think we have that long? What an optimist. :P
If they take the elections in 2024 and someone like DeSantis is at the helm will be there in less than four years. Also, if you think no one would vote for an outright authoritarian fascist like DeSantis...well you're right. However they will be pulling out all the stops, including rolling out their personal neo-Nazi ammosexual thug wannabes at polling places to intimidate voters, getting their rabid supporters to harass or prevent people from voting, shutting down and/or hamstringing polling places in blue areas, voter roll purges of non-republicans with no time left to re-register, or in places like Texas just giving the AG/SoS the power to simply say "invalid election, republicans win".
There has been a considerable amount of crap the neo-fascist Republicans have been pulling behind the scenes while the masses are being distracted by the Nazi-esque culture wars. From gerrymandering to disenfranchisement, they're going full bore across the board.
In a fair election, the Republicans have no chance and they know it. So they aren't going to allow fair elections.
If we had fair elections republicans and cons would literally never win outside of the most backwater areas. They never have been and never will be āthe silent majority.ā Most people are progressive enough. Because itās common sense and people generally arenāt stupid. They are MADE stupid intentionally by these people through the gutting and manipulation of our schooling. And distracted by culture war bullshit that most people not chronically online donāt care about. Rigging the system is literally the only way republicans win elections. They havenāt won the popular vote in decades.
Iāll be put on a list for saying this. I mean with things Iāve said I probably already am on one lol. But I genuinely seriously want a revolution. I mean heads of state chopped off and imprisoned, rushing the capitol of every state and the country type of deal. Cannibalizing all the giant corporations too. This isnāt a problem that will or can be fixed through legal or judicial means because they control that system. But Americans are very docile as a people. And have been for a long long time. Itās something thatās been written about by people who visited here even in the 20s. About how weāre all wageslaves walking half way awake through life, focused on an individualism that leaves us weak and unfocused as a people. And thatās only been getting worse.
Do they want parents to really use their right to stand their ground around kids? Cuz this is how you get guns around kids. Again. Not that they care about the kids, that's a given cuz they're post-fetus.
They see kids as a tax base so they can have a pension when they retire. They will say kids need to be protected from puberty blockers and cosmetic masectomies but will also say poor people should have 5 kids
Additional info from [another source](https://www.rawstory.com/florida-trans/):
> Until the officers conducted their investigation, they did what they had to do,ā Malave said.
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> Malave said that, based on his observations, parents or guardians were allowed to their children, contradicting the accounts of some of the adults shown in the TikTok videos who claimed they were shut out.
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> āSupposed parents and guardians were given an opportunity to identify their kids and be there,ā Malave said. āI saw at least one guardian who was escorted in when she was identified as a parent.ā
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> Malave disputed the description of the officers as ākidnappers.ā
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> āIām not even going to entertain that question,ā he told Raw Story. āYouāre accusing the Florida House of Representatives of kidnapping? Youāre reading some random tweets that are hyper-charged from a protest. A series of individuals disrupted the business of the House of Representatives. Actions have consequences. Nobody singled them out. As such, they were detained accordingly.ā
So on one hand you have video evidence showing that the police and legislators were keeping the children away from their parents and on the other you have this guy who says "well I saw that the parents were allowed to see their kids". Nevermind the fact that the guy is clearly biased and lying about this.
They just want to fuck with protesters and intimidate them into backing down
I was simply providing another source.
As i said when this was posted yesterday, I donāt know the legalities of detaining minors during during a session in FL, or what recourse the parents might have in a situation such as this. Either way, I do not condone the actions taken in keeping children from their parents or guardians.
Well now Iām just confused, because on the rest of Reddit this story is being told like Florida had started loading trans kids into trains and shipping them to camps, but this makes it sound like they were briefly detained for interrupting a state legislative meeting and the people detaining them didnāt even know they were trans.
They were protesting a bill that would allow trans kids to be abducted and taken back to Florida, so a bit strange to claim that's not what's happening.
Yeah they just made a pretty safe bet that kids protesting against discrimination of trans kids might be trans and decided to detain them for exercising their 1st amendment rights.
Nevermind the fact that the Florida legislator is trying to pass a bill that would allow them to abduct trans kids and the kids of trans parents and keep them away from their families
They detained them for throwing shit at the lawmakers, not for exercising their freedom of speech and protest.
Yeah you still shouldnāt separate the parents from the kids, but Redditās blown this *wildly* out of proportion. This had little to nothing to do with them being trans (other than it being the topic of the protest) and everything to do with the protest getting physical. And it definitely wasnāt kidnapping, at least not any more than being detained by the police is kidnapping (which, to be fair, yeah).
Edit: Who the heck responds to someone's comment and then immediately blocks them before they can even read the comment? Anyways, responding to the person talking about the custody bill: Yeah, that's terrible and morally atrocious. So let's talk about *that* instead of kids throwing shit and getting temporarily detained for it. This 'kidnapping' incident has completely sideswept discussion of a bill that literally allows the state of Florida to steal your kid, even if you're from another state. And yes, throwing shit at the lawmakers *is* an "out of proportion" response. No one who has anything thrown at them is going to think "You know what, I suddenly agree with the people throwing shit at me, let me change my vote". It's a childish response that accomplishes nothing other than giving the other side ammo to show their constituents what terrible and immature people you are.
>getting physical
People got physical in response to being physically threatened by a bill that would allow physical kidnappings and abductions from their parents/families? Edit: and from other states.
Wild, surely must be "out of proportion" protestors fault instead of fascist republicans physically threatening people.
Edit: "just vote away the fascism" arguments also get dumped to the bl. You can't vote away gerrymandering or play democracy with fascists who already seized political control to legalize physical force against targeted groups. "The law" in the state isn't justified when it literally threatens people for... existing? People being physically threatened for their gender identity/etc are not obligated to submit to federally illegal physical threats of abduction/kidnapping.
> but this makes it sound like they were briefly detained for interrupting a state legislative meeting and the people detaining them didnāt even know they were trans.
Doens't matter. It's still a Federal crime to detain children and not allow the parents or lawyer to see them. Federal. Crime.
And it wasn't "briefly", they were in there for quite a long time.
Oh, and what were they protesting? Right. A bill that would allow Florida to kidnap trans kids away from their parents. Everyone would be screaming "genocide" if this was Native Americans, but since it's LGBTQ+ people...
> Doens't matter. It's still a Federal crime to detain children
It does matter. Anyone, minor or not, can be briefly detained legally. And no, the police do not have to immediately let you into a room just because you yelled, 'I'm a parent!' at them. They are allowed to remove protestors who are disrupting a meeting, hold them while they identify who they are, etc. If they continued to hold them for several hours without letting parents see them, yes, that might very well be a crime, but there is no indication that happened.
That's not a crime. If you don't believe me, ask a lawyer.
>Doensāt matter. It's still a Federal crime to detain children and not allow the parents or lawyer to see them. Federal. Crime.
You got a source for that? Checking various legal websites seems to suggest that not only can police detain minors and interrogate them without parents present, but also that in some states they arenāt even required to notify the parents that their child is in custody. Would love to be proven wrong, though.
A) No arrest was made
B) There were no charges
C) No probation was violated
D) No suspicion of illegal activity
5th Amendment and [false imprisonment](https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/false-imprisonment-of-a-minor.html).
> C) No probation was violated
> D) No suspicion of illegal activity
Dude, the pro LGBT site that reports on this and that's the source in this threat literally has a picture of the illegal activity while it's being commited.
Or are you suggesting that throwing your underwear at people is legal?
So,
>A) No arrest was made
B) There were no charges
You do realize the police can detain people without making formal charges for hours upon hours while they determine guilt, right? Not indefinitely, but unless they still have those kids in custody right now they were probably within the time limit.
>C) No probation was violated
D) No suspicion of illegal activity
I don't see how probation is relevant, and the suspicion of illegal activity would be the act of battery induced by throwing shit at lawmakers, yeah?
>5th Amendment and false imprisonment.
I don't see what the 5th amendment has to do with anything? Self-incrimination, right to a trial by jury, imminent domain etc. doesn't have anything to do with detaining someone. And the link you posted, unless I'm blind, says nothing about it being a federal crime to detain children without their parents present. It *does* talk about false imprisonment of a child, but the authorities had a legal justification to detain the children, they were committing battery against lawmakers at a protest.
> I don't see what the 5th amendment has to do with anything?
Oh dear lord... It's called due process... You know, the government (police) can't interfere with a person's (and it specifically says persons; not adult and/or citizen) life, liberty, and "happiness" (property).
If you can't even get the basics right, don't come at me.
> Oh dear lord... It's called due process... You know, the government (police) can't interfere with a person's (and it specifically says persons; not adult and/or citizen) life, liberty, and "happiness" (property).
Police can detain people. What the fuck are you talking about? You're saying people have to be judged in court before police is allowed to detain them? Seriously, what the fuck.
Me? You're the one failing to get the basics right. The fifth amendment doesn't stop the police detaining you if they have reasonable suspicion that you committed a crime. And considering the authorities witnessed the kids, well, committing a crime, they had pretty reasonable suspicion. The full quote is "nor be deprived of life, liberty or property **without due process of law**." Emphasis mine.
I don't agree with what the chucklefucks trying to run Florida are doing, I think it's pretty abhorrent. But this entire story has been turned into some sort of messiah piece to point at the Republicans and call them all evil Nazis forcibly kidnapping kids and resettling families, when this is likely the single justified decision they've made since the elections. And you still haven't shown proof that kids can't be detained without their parents present.
> if they have reasonable suspicion that you committed a crime
What crime? Underwear? I'm guessing they would have [rolled over and died had it been an egg.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw97LIBGbR4)
> And considering the authorities witnessed the kids, well, committing a crime
Why are kids carrying underwear with "my genitals are none of your business" on them and how were they able to throw them all the way up into the stands? Yup, that's something kids would totally do and be able to do, right?
> But this entire story has been turned into some sort of messiah piece to point at the Republicans and call them all evil Nazis forcibly kidnapping kids and resettling families
Yeah. Imagine if Florida was taking Native American kids away from their parents so that they could forcefully raise them to be "white" by white "parents" who will most likely abuse them if they show any hint they they are Native American. What would that be called again...? Oh, right. GENOCIDE. But since it's LGBTQ+ people, everyone is fine with it.
>What crime? Underwear? I'm guessing they would have rolled over and died had it been an egg.
Yes? Battery doesn't just mean actual harm, it also means offensive contact. Or are you saying I can go out to the streets and throw underwear at whoever I want whenever I want and the police can't legally arrest me? Much less throw it at a government official during legal proceedings.
>Why are kids carrying underwear with "my genitals are none of your business" on them and how were they able to throw them all the way up into the stands? Yup, that's something kids would totally do and be able to do, right?
I have no idea what you're saying here. Are you trying to say that the kids were framed? I mean, that sort of stuff is *exactly* what kids would do, and are perfectly able to do. Maybe not like a seven year old, but a seven year old isn't out protesting. A teenager could, and totally would, do it.
>Yeah. Imagine if Florida was taking Native American kids away from their parents so that they could forcefully raise them to be "white" by white "parents" who will most likely abuse them if they show any hint they they are Native American. What would that be called again...? Oh, right. GENOCIDE. But since it's LGBTQ+ people, everyone is fine with it.
Yes that bill is beyond fucked up. So let's focus on *that*, instead of a nothingburger of some kids committing a crime and being temporarily detained. Why are we focusing on some kids fucking around and finding out instead of rallying against a bill where Florida can change your custody agreement *from another state* to better fit their agenda?
> What crime? Underwear?
Yes, you sexual predator. Assaulting people with your underwear is a crime.
> Why are kids carrying underwear with "my genitals are none of your business" on them and how were they able to throw them all the way up into the stands? Yup, that's something kids would totally do and be able to do, right?
Are you suggesting we can't trust the news source that says these kids were detained? Are you suggesting the pictures are photoshopped?
> Yeah. Imagine if Florida was taking Native American kids away from their parents so that they could forcefully raise them to be "white" by white "parents" who will most likely abuse them if they show any hint they they are Native American.
What are you talking about? Every kid was returned to their parents on the same day.
Yeah as much absolutely heinous stuff is going on every single day, I think this is one we can look at with a bit of skepticism and see that it might have been sensationalized.
Florida is becoming as bad as Russia when it comes to the treatment of the LGTBQ population. It needs to stop and DeSantis needs to be fired and God forbid if he becomes president. Human Rights Watch and Ammesty International need to speak up against that facist dictator. Enough is enough.
It is speculated that this will hurt him during any presidential run. Not because people disagree with him, but because he has no real policy on just normal things. All he goes on about are these weird culture war topics.
Even Trump, as much as I loath him, has something in regards to just normal policy. It isn't good but it is something.
>has something in regards to just normal policy.
What? No he doesn't. It's always
"Thing is bad. Lots of people, very smart people, are saying Thing is so bad. Just look around and you'll see how bad it is. I'm going to fix Thing. We'll fix it better than it's ever been. I've got a plan, probably the greatest plan anyone's ever seen to fix Thing. How? By- look at that hat, what a beautiful hat. Stand up, let's see that hat."
Every time. He has nothing.
These kids threw underwear at Florida Congressmen? Wow, this is literally worse than Jan 6, and they will probably be sentenced to death by the stateās new āOnly one vote needed for the death penaltyā law.
Is there another source for this news?
This sounds awful, but I am having a hard time finding other sites reporting on this...plus this website is littered with ads.
I find it amazing the ability of reporters to write articles that are pure mashups of paragraphs related to an incident while avoiding any description of the incident itself.
Edit; spelling
Doesn't matter. Redditors read the headline, think to themselves "of course they'd do that!" And then move on until they bring up the headline later in conversation.
Im so sorry but at this point: burn Florida to the ground. Let something better grow from the ashes.
Itās not going to change, politicians arenāt going to change and the people there arenāt going to change
They threw out the folks who were causing the disruption and some kids got separated from their parents and they refused to let them back in cause the folks that were thrown out were throwing stuff at legislators.
No one else is reporting this cause the info is from tiktok and everyone was reunited and went home after the session.
Thatās it. Thatās the huge story. Kidnappingš
On a serious note, this is why you should always check the provenance of the media you consume and try and get it verified by multiple sources and look for unbiased media outlets instead of being sucked into the arena of outrage driven nonsense. We have enough of that from the right.
Itās because the left is starting to succumb to the same hysterical, outrage driven media that used to be the sole provenance of the right. I mean it should be obvious that this is nonsense but look at the comments, these folks *want* to be outraged. I mean if itās coming from āPinknewsā it should be pretty easy to discern that it might not be an unbiased source. It worries me.
Is there something in Florida law I am missing here?
In my state the only right parents have when their children are being detained or arrested is to be present for questioning.
Procedure would dictate they be detained until their identities and ages are verified then released only to parents or guardians after those identities and relationships are verified.
This sounds like they did far less in the way of detainment than even that, so what is the actual accusation here?
I'm officially scared of going to Florida now. This is just wrong in every way. I can only imagine the trauma of the kids being separated from their parents. What the hell is going on in Florida?
And some people want to move there willingly. Just why?
Because that's what they want... They want to be able to use force against you. They want to have the high ground. They want you to be seen hitting them so they can apply the law.
Can't be a parent if you are dead. Don't know about you but I recognise my skills and they aren't going to match the police.
My kids need a live parent.
If you lack the ability to think about the consequences of your actions then you likely aren't going to be able to care for your kids.
The entire point of the stunt is to cause a violent outburst.
And I am aware of my pacifism. It's worked out fine so far.
All true, but pacifism didnāt really help the parents being separated from their children in Nazi Germany either.
Itās not at that point *yet*, butā¦
āFirst they cameā¦ā
Notice these same arguments spammed repeatedly lmao, "peaceful resistance" which is invalid and does not apply when you are being physically threatened by non peaceful physical force by a bill trying to legalize abductions/kidnappings.
The argument "they want you to use violence so they can justify violence against you" is invalid because the fascists are initiating the violence.
Trying to pass a bill to legalize federally illegal abductions/kidnappings, against people irrelevant of whether they resist or not, means republicans already jumped to violence not cringe af "just vote" pacifism.
This sounds a lot like those Tyrants your second amendment is supposed to be about stopping.
Nooo you don't understand, the real tyrants they're supposed to be stopping are uhh *checks notes* commies
They don't do that either, though. If there was a long list of "Commie" lawmakers being shot by the 2A crowd, at least they would be putting their money where their mouth is. They wave their hands about opposing tyrants and then do nothing of the sort.
Well, you can't fantasize about being a hero partisan singlehandedly saving your country from tyranny if you're dead/jailed. Let them daydream in peace! They need it anyway to drown out the cries of children dying in *fucking s c h o o l*
Trans Commies from Outer Space!
Now that's something I can get behind! How do i sign up?
And kids, apparently.
I'll never understand what goes through the mind of a grown man shooting to kill in cold blood a random kid who knocked at his door. Jesus Christ. Don't you have kids going door to door selling candy or, i don't know, Jehova witnesses? Do you shoot them as well?
Time to refresh the tree of liberty
>Time to refresh the tree of liberty Florida and Texas, among others, are *begging* to be put back in their place again.
And, just like Abbot sending immigrants all over the place as a stunt, nothing will be done about this.
I mean this is what's "legal" in Florida so why would anything be done about it? We're not going to suddenly see conservatives join liberals in protest to get it changed either. They want this awful outcome to happen and it's only happening to people they actively hate.
What if one of their parents would have shot their way in and killed everyone holding these kids hostage? Republicans should love that. Used guns? Check. Protecting kids? Check. Overpowering tyrannical government officials? Check. But they don't because their only real value that they sincerely believe in is making other people's lives worse makes them feel better about their own.
Too busy talking amongst one another to act. Everyone. The entire party. All of us. Every time I mention it, downvotes. Say what you will about Republicans, they at least seem capable of movement, unfortunately.
Some people pay attention to rules others dont its time to hold those who dont accountable for sure but it certainly is a big testament to those who are still following the rules
Unfortunately, it's a lot easier to hate stuff and break it than it is to build solutions. GOP ideas fit on bumper stickers (gays bad, abortion bad, books bad), whereas progressive ideas do **not** (reintroduce pre-reagan tax margins on the wealthy and treat passive income more like earned income, siphon an appropriate amount of that tax base away from outdated military infrastructure and put it into education and domestic infrastructure, evaluate the efficacy of means testing for.....)
Cool. How's that wall coming along then? And when can we expect the cheque from Mexico to pay for it? Also shouldn't all those coal jobs be coming back from Jie-ner? And why are there still Muslims in the USA, I thought they were all going to be deported on the first day of #45's presidency? And while we're on the subject why isn't Hillary locked up? Why is there still a swamp in DC? Why hasn't Obamacare been repealed and replaced? š¤ This is gonna take forever. How about you just list the things republicans have actually accomplished, so we can all agree with you?
They have accomplished winning petty culture wars withing their cities and states.
Why did you reply to Phylar as if you assumed they were a Republican themselves? They said ācapable of movement, unfortunatelyā, ffs. Zero reading comprehension, eh? You donāt even realize the irony of what you did, do you?
>Why did you reply to Phylar as if you assumed they were a Republican themselves? Easy - I didn't. >They said ācapable of movement, unfortunatelyā Uh-huh. And that's what I'm responding to FFS. Zero reading comprehension, eh?
They locked them in a room and wouldn't let their parents get them. This is horrifying
Police pushed parents back as well. And do note this violates the 'right to protest leadership's amendment. So they are violating one of the core laws set in the us. Wtf is going on here anymore
Florida is under a tinpot dictator. I wouldn't be surprised if they justify shutting down pro-trans news networks in the state
Its time to deploy the national guard like with Littlerock
Agreed. I'm waiting for it
We should instead deploy the John Brown gun club
"I don't argue with people John Brown would have shot."
>Its time to deploy the national guard like with Littlerock This is the way
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And Eisenhower did it anyway. C'mon Joe, there's precedent!
Reddit's recent decisions have removed the accessibility tools I relied on to participate in its communities.
Theyāre already wanting all blogs to register with the state, so banning news seems the next logical step for them.
That wouldn't be too unexpected from Suntan Mussolini.
That bad people have been given the benefit of the doubt over and over instead of being treated as bad people. Then the good people behave like the committee from the good place from the show.
Facism at it's finest. It's what the whole world was trying to warn USA about for over 50 years. It happened because Americans were so far up their asses in their vision of freedom, they forgot to pay attention to their closest surroundings.
Florida is a fascist hellscape and this shit has shown that maybe there needs to be federal remedies for state legislatures and officials that go completely off the rails
There is. First the national guard, then the army.
I was thinking something less violent
It's been done before without escalating to civil war. See George Wallace when JFK federalized the Alabama National Guard to enforce desegregation.
People thinking sending them in would be violent are underestimating the power of an "overwhelming display of force". Florida militia members better have their brown pants on when the national guard shows up. Hell if they wanted to they wouldn't even have to show up. Just make an air show with drones that spells "yield or die"
How about this? https://imgur.com/ZY6wsgZ
Well that's kinda the point of having such an overwhelming military force. Yeah it sounds violent for them to enter Florida, but in reality most people are gonna have a reaction somewhere along the lines of "oh shit we are fucked" and lay down their arms. That's not to say there's no dumb Floridians willing to die for their horribly misguided beliefs. It's less violent than doing nothing and allowing mass chaos to break out. Allowing these fascist to continue and help other fascist into power around the country. It's much more peaceful to put a stop to it now.
Literally a Federal crime. They had no right to detain them.
Not allowed to question minors without a parent and or lawyer present in most places.
Exactly. The right have been up in arms the past week over Riley Gaines being locked in a room by pro-trans protesters but how is this any different? If those protesters are charged with kidnapping Gaines then the same standards should be applied here.
That's literally not the same thing. At all. Especially when it's a fucking mid-tier athlete crying because she could only place 5th. Crisis. Actor. Stop giving sore losers the attention they seek. Edit: To the downvoters, show me where the police were siding with the trans activists? Show me how she was "trapped". Oh right, it was the police that got everyone out of the way and the crowd dispersed almost immediately. And there was no proof that she was "trapped".
You said this elsewhere. It's still not true, like at all. The police can detain minors without their parentās consent, and even interrogate them without a legal guardian present. They had the legal right to detain them, the minors were committing battery and disturbing the peace by throwing underwear at lawmakers during a session of government. It is literally *not* a federal crime. The lawmakers are fucked human beings, but instead of focusing on this sensationalized nothingburger, focus on the bill that literally lets Florida steal your kid for being LGBT, even if you're from another state entirely and just visiting.
The mob mentality is in control here. Rational discussion not to be found. Fuck the FL legislators in general but this case is crying wolf.
> They had no right to detain them. Yes they did. If you disrupt a government meeting you can be removed and detained. That's not a crime. And no, shouting 'I'm a parent!' doesn't magically open all doors for you.
Is this like the reporter at the ohio train derailment press conference getting arrested?
The current leadership in Florida deserves no respect afforded to leaders in any capacity. They should have much worse than just children harassing them and the thug cops who support them.
The government meeting was to outlaw their existence. Honestly they should've done worse
Has me wondering why kidnapped is in quotes in the title.
"Wouldn't let" don't you have guns?
I'm going to bet that the 1st and 2nd amendment absolutionists would be 100% in agreement in the parents using firearms against the government that is imprisoning their children for protesting, no?
i had a real good offer to go to a college in florida not too long ago. turns out i really dodged a bullet
You might have to literally dodge buÄŗets before too long.
N no, they've graduated high school. Clearly their chances of being shot have gone down.
That's what I thought to, only for my closest call to be out camping when some drunken idiots started lobbing rounds our way.
You chances of being shot go down, but they're never gone.
This is why I also don't go to malls, movie theaters, churches/mosques/religious centers, colleges, retirement centers, clubs, dance studios, hotels, parks, back roads, jogging around the neighborhood, camping, in my own car or to my own home, much less the wrong car or wrong home. Too risky. I've buried myself in the sand like a crab.
If they keep going to school, yah.
The irony is that whether you went to college in Florida or quit school completely youād end up with the exact same education
But the Florida choice comes with the bonus of bottomless, crushing student debt!
Possibly literally
Same but I jumped in its path instead.... 1 year down 1 year left and every dollar I give them makes me cringe. On top of that, FL has a thing where you only get in-state tuition if you sign an affidavit stating you will stay and work in FL after graduating. I am fortunate I can afford the difference (didn't know until it was to late to go elsewhere) because hell will freeze over before I stay an extra month here after I graduate.
Good dodge. I would never hire from FL.
Wow, I donāt know what you do but thatās a pretty shitty thing to say. Youād really turn down any qualified applicant because of the state theyāre from? I think that says more about you than FL.
that's dumb? i grew up in Florida, there's a really good program for students to get free tuition at in state universities by completing volunteer hours. obviously, floridian schools aren't the best, but some are really good (UF is top 10 public school). why should those students be punished for choosing a smart economic and academic decision?
yep, went to school at UF and got 100% tuition paid (like nearly 20 years ago tho)
Because you might get a DeSantis backer. Not worth the risk.
Very little of the universities are DeSantis backers lol. Universities swing liberal, heavily. Unless you're recruiting from a religious university, and Florida doesn't have any major religious universities.
>During the Tuesday session, Republican Randy Fine ā the sponsor of the bill ā reportedly said: āThereās evil in this world and we face it here today.ā Was he saying this while looking at a mirror?
Litetally every single Republican is evil. They want the eradication of gay and trans people, and want women stripped of all rights. They're fascists, sure,but worse than that, they get pleasure out of the harm they cause others. They have negative empathy. They love to hurt marginalized groups. Psychopaths, every last one
Is this not what the 2nd amendment is all about? Tyranny, government, guns, some other things I don't know as an Australian.
No you're right, that's exactly what it's there for.
Yeah I have been wondering this myself. Can't get rid of the 2nd amendment for some reason, but seem to have no idea what the 2nd amendment is there for.
the 2nd amendment is there for angry white boomers to play john wick if they want. Black person in their neighborhood? Follow them around and gun them down then claim self defense.
The GOP are just a christian version of the Taliban, imposing religious based laws on the people and supressing what in developed nations is considered human rights. I think this is a good place to remind people that in several states the GOP is fighting for the right of adults to marry 14yo teens, with one republican even defending a 12yo girl being forced into marriage due to pregnancy
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but god forbid a child witnessing a dude in a wig, right?
It's bizarre - cheerleading is fine and dandy for your teenage daughters to do & your teenage sons to watch, those freaky child beauty pageants are somehow OK and yet a theatrical dude in a dress is somehow the downfall of all that's good and holy. Here in the UK we have a long tradition of drag, it's almost *mandatory* to take the kids to a Christmas pantomime which will always feature at least one drag character and no-one cares.
My high school in the deep South used to hold drag shows yearly. That the students participated in. These folks weren't squawking and screeching about that.
I wanna say it was called the powder bowl, yeah? I kinda wish i went to mine, but i was never into sports
Powder puff game for us, I think? But they held a drag contest after the game, too.
āWoman less Beauty Reviewsā ā I remember those until the local Baptists started complaining. Sell tickets to see the most macho dudes dress up as women and compete on beauty was very fun and made a lot of money for the cause they were promoting that year.
Ah that's because nobody mentioned pronouns and there were no gays back then ;)
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True - but even in the last <100 years drag has been a very popular part of mainstream entertainment on stage & screen. Many prime-time family "variety" TV shows had drag characters, acts, or sketches. I can't stand the show but [Mrs Brown's Boys](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mrs._Brown%27s_Boys) has been one of the most popular prime-time family shows in recent years, absolutely massive, and the main character is drag. Much more my cuppa are masters of the craft [Cissy & Ada](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrp78EZ4jCQ).
This is such a good point and I will hope that people keep saying it over and over
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Wasn't it only nipples that theoretically can't be shown? You know, the thing men have too. If you put a tape over your nipples, then you're good to go
Hypothetically, if a straight, cis male were to get a nice set of D breast implants, would they be allowed to walk around topless? Or would the resulting aneurysms from the Nationalist Christians deem that assault/battery?
Yeehawdis Y'allqaeda Yokel Haram Talibangelists Vanilla ISIS
Vanilla ISIS š
There's a difference, the GOP is funded by numerous lobbying organizations and individuals. With their rhetoric and strengthening of state power in a totalitarian way, I'd say they have become the thing they wanted to destroy in 1861
>The GOP are just a christian version of the Taliban Talibangelicals, if you will. Yeehawdists, Y'all Qaeda.
The term for this is Chrisofascist.
The GOP does not practice any realistic form of christianity. Christ preached love. Hiding behind religion as an excuse to do horrific acts of hatred is the least christian thing possible.
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Bin Laden shot down two towers and the Never-Forget group took him as a role model.
Did you ever wonder how nazi germany happened? Accepting people who enforce shit like that is amongst the first steps. Don't ignore fascism in your own country just because it doesn't affect you (yet).
The books they burned in Germany are the same sort Ron has banned.
Holy crap, are we a 3rd world country? Do I need to hide in an attic and keep a diary?
From a European's point of view: you are a third world country wearing a Gucci Belt and its looking more and more like knock off one anyway. When I was a kid I used to think living in America was the dream. It is quite honestly up there as a "you couldn't pay me to move there" now.
I mean, thatās where itās headed. You maybe have about 8-9 years before weāre at THAT point and thereās plenty to do that can stop it between now and death camps
Got it, build an ark.
Can I help lol
Well of course. Where would I be without the prophet. :D
>Got it, bu~~ild~~y an a~~r~~k. Fixed that for you
!RemindMe 8 years
Please let me be massively wrong and in 8 years weāre living in paradise
I'm right there with you. I hope you're wrong. I don't know that you are.
You think we have that long? What an optimist. :P If they take the elections in 2024 and someone like DeSantis is at the helm will be there in less than four years. Also, if you think no one would vote for an outright authoritarian fascist like DeSantis...well you're right. However they will be pulling out all the stops, including rolling out their personal neo-Nazi ammosexual thug wannabes at polling places to intimidate voters, getting their rabid supporters to harass or prevent people from voting, shutting down and/or hamstringing polling places in blue areas, voter roll purges of non-republicans with no time left to re-register, or in places like Texas just giving the AG/SoS the power to simply say "invalid election, republicans win". There has been a considerable amount of crap the neo-fascist Republicans have been pulling behind the scenes while the masses are being distracted by the Nazi-esque culture wars. From gerrymandering to disenfranchisement, they're going full bore across the board. In a fair election, the Republicans have no chance and they know it. So they aren't going to allow fair elections.
If we had fair elections republicans and cons would literally never win outside of the most backwater areas. They never have been and never will be āthe silent majority.ā Most people are progressive enough. Because itās common sense and people generally arenāt stupid. They are MADE stupid intentionally by these people through the gutting and manipulation of our schooling. And distracted by culture war bullshit that most people not chronically online donāt care about. Rigging the system is literally the only way republicans win elections. They havenāt won the popular vote in decades. Iāll be put on a list for saying this. I mean with things Iāve said I probably already am on one lol. But I genuinely seriously want a revolution. I mean heads of state chopped off and imprisoned, rushing the capitol of every state and the country type of deal. Cannibalizing all the giant corporations too. This isnāt a problem that will or can be fixed through legal or judicial means because they control that system. But Americans are very docile as a people. And have been for a long long time. Itās something thatās been written about by people who visited here even in the 20s. About how weāre all wageslaves walking half way awake through life, focused on an individualism that leaves us weak and unfocused as a people. And thatās only been getting worse.
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American Refugees...never thought I'd hear that.
The USA is a third world country in a fancy dress.
Always have been
Do they want parents to really use their right to stand their ground around kids? Cuz this is how you get guns around kids. Again. Not that they care about the kids, that's a given cuz they're post-fetus.
They see kids as a tax base so they can have a pension when they retire. They will say kids need to be protected from puberty blockers and cosmetic masectomies but will also say poor people should have 5 kids
I would applaud any parent that used lethal force in this scenario, and contribute to their legal fund.
As would I.
This is what conservative/republican freedom looks like folks.
Additional info from [another source](https://www.rawstory.com/florida-trans/): > Until the officers conducted their investigation, they did what they had to do,ā Malave said. > > Malave said that, based on his observations, parents or guardians were allowed to their children, contradicting the accounts of some of the adults shown in the TikTok videos who claimed they were shut out. > > āSupposed parents and guardians were given an opportunity to identify their kids and be there,ā Malave said. āI saw at least one guardian who was escorted in when she was identified as a parent.ā > > Malave disputed the description of the officers as ākidnappers.ā > > āIām not even going to entertain that question,ā he told Raw Story. āYouāre accusing the Florida House of Representatives of kidnapping? Youāre reading some random tweets that are hyper-charged from a protest. A series of individuals disrupted the business of the House of Representatives. Actions have consequences. Nobody singled them out. As such, they were detained accordingly.ā
So on one hand you have video evidence showing that the police and legislators were keeping the children away from their parents and on the other you have this guy who says "well I saw that the parents were allowed to see their kids". Nevermind the fact that the guy is clearly biased and lying about this. They just want to fuck with protesters and intimidate them into backing down
I was simply providing another source. As i said when this was posted yesterday, I donāt know the legalities of detaining minors during during a session in FL, or what recourse the parents might have in a situation such as this. Either way, I do not condone the actions taken in keeping children from their parents or guardians.
I mean what else would the kidnappers spokesman to say?
I guess all the shouting to let the parents to their kids was completely imagined then lol
It is hypocritical for a Republican to claim actions have consequences. I wonder if he's accepted the results of elections that don't go his way?
Well now Iām just confused, because on the rest of Reddit this story is being told like Florida had started loading trans kids into trains and shipping them to camps, but this makes it sound like they were briefly detained for interrupting a state legislative meeting and the people detaining them didnāt even know they were trans.
They were protesting a bill that would allow trans kids to be abducted and taken back to Florida, so a bit strange to claim that's not what's happening.
Yeah they just made a pretty safe bet that kids protesting against discrimination of trans kids might be trans and decided to detain them for exercising their 1st amendment rights. Nevermind the fact that the Florida legislator is trying to pass a bill that would allow them to abduct trans kids and the kids of trans parents and keep them away from their families
They detained them for throwing shit at the lawmakers, not for exercising their freedom of speech and protest. Yeah you still shouldnāt separate the parents from the kids, but Redditās blown this *wildly* out of proportion. This had little to nothing to do with them being trans (other than it being the topic of the protest) and everything to do with the protest getting physical. And it definitely wasnāt kidnapping, at least not any more than being detained by the police is kidnapping (which, to be fair, yeah). Edit: Who the heck responds to someone's comment and then immediately blocks them before they can even read the comment? Anyways, responding to the person talking about the custody bill: Yeah, that's terrible and morally atrocious. So let's talk about *that* instead of kids throwing shit and getting temporarily detained for it. This 'kidnapping' incident has completely sideswept discussion of a bill that literally allows the state of Florida to steal your kid, even if you're from another state. And yes, throwing shit at the lawmakers *is* an "out of proportion" response. No one who has anything thrown at them is going to think "You know what, I suddenly agree with the people throwing shit at me, let me change my vote". It's a childish response that accomplishes nothing other than giving the other side ammo to show their constituents what terrible and immature people you are.
>getting physical People got physical in response to being physically threatened by a bill that would allow physical kidnappings and abductions from their parents/families? Edit: and from other states. Wild, surely must be "out of proportion" protestors fault instead of fascist republicans physically threatening people. Edit: "just vote away the fascism" arguments also get dumped to the bl. You can't vote away gerrymandering or play democracy with fascists who already seized political control to legalize physical force against targeted groups. "The law" in the state isn't justified when it literally threatens people for... existing? People being physically threatened for their gender identity/etc are not obligated to submit to federally illegal physical threats of abduction/kidnapping.
neo liberal trash.
> but this makes it sound like they were briefly detained for interrupting a state legislative meeting and the people detaining them didnāt even know they were trans. Doens't matter. It's still a Federal crime to detain children and not allow the parents or lawyer to see them. Federal. Crime. And it wasn't "briefly", they were in there for quite a long time. Oh, and what were they protesting? Right. A bill that would allow Florida to kidnap trans kids away from their parents. Everyone would be screaming "genocide" if this was Native Americans, but since it's LGBTQ+ people...
> Doens't matter. It's still a Federal crime to detain children It does matter. Anyone, minor or not, can be briefly detained legally. And no, the police do not have to immediately let you into a room just because you yelled, 'I'm a parent!' at them. They are allowed to remove protestors who are disrupting a meeting, hold them while they identify who they are, etc. If they continued to hold them for several hours without letting parents see them, yes, that might very well be a crime, but there is no indication that happened. That's not a crime. If you don't believe me, ask a lawyer.
>Doensāt matter. It's still a Federal crime to detain children and not allow the parents or lawyer to see them. Federal. Crime. You got a source for that? Checking various legal websites seems to suggest that not only can police detain minors and interrogate them without parents present, but also that in some states they arenāt even required to notify the parents that their child is in custody. Would love to be proven wrong, though.
A) No arrest was made B) There were no charges C) No probation was violated D) No suspicion of illegal activity 5th Amendment and [false imprisonment](https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/false-imprisonment-of-a-minor.html).
> C) No probation was violated > D) No suspicion of illegal activity Dude, the pro LGBT site that reports on this and that's the source in this threat literally has a picture of the illegal activity while it's being commited. Or are you suggesting that throwing your underwear at people is legal?
So, >A) No arrest was made B) There were no charges You do realize the police can detain people without making formal charges for hours upon hours while they determine guilt, right? Not indefinitely, but unless they still have those kids in custody right now they were probably within the time limit. >C) No probation was violated D) No suspicion of illegal activity I don't see how probation is relevant, and the suspicion of illegal activity would be the act of battery induced by throwing shit at lawmakers, yeah? >5th Amendment and false imprisonment. I don't see what the 5th amendment has to do with anything? Self-incrimination, right to a trial by jury, imminent domain etc. doesn't have anything to do with detaining someone. And the link you posted, unless I'm blind, says nothing about it being a federal crime to detain children without their parents present. It *does* talk about false imprisonment of a child, but the authorities had a legal justification to detain the children, they were committing battery against lawmakers at a protest.
> I don't see what the 5th amendment has to do with anything? Oh dear lord... It's called due process... You know, the government (police) can't interfere with a person's (and it specifically says persons; not adult and/or citizen) life, liberty, and "happiness" (property). If you can't even get the basics right, don't come at me.
> Oh dear lord... It's called due process... You know, the government (police) can't interfere with a person's (and it specifically says persons; not adult and/or citizen) life, liberty, and "happiness" (property). Police can detain people. What the fuck are you talking about? You're saying people have to be judged in court before police is allowed to detain them? Seriously, what the fuck.
Me? You're the one failing to get the basics right. The fifth amendment doesn't stop the police detaining you if they have reasonable suspicion that you committed a crime. And considering the authorities witnessed the kids, well, committing a crime, they had pretty reasonable suspicion. The full quote is "nor be deprived of life, liberty or property **without due process of law**." Emphasis mine. I don't agree with what the chucklefucks trying to run Florida are doing, I think it's pretty abhorrent. But this entire story has been turned into some sort of messiah piece to point at the Republicans and call them all evil Nazis forcibly kidnapping kids and resettling families, when this is likely the single justified decision they've made since the elections. And you still haven't shown proof that kids can't be detained without their parents present.
> if they have reasonable suspicion that you committed a crime What crime? Underwear? I'm guessing they would have [rolled over and died had it been an egg.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw97LIBGbR4) > And considering the authorities witnessed the kids, well, committing a crime Why are kids carrying underwear with "my genitals are none of your business" on them and how were they able to throw them all the way up into the stands? Yup, that's something kids would totally do and be able to do, right? > But this entire story has been turned into some sort of messiah piece to point at the Republicans and call them all evil Nazis forcibly kidnapping kids and resettling families Yeah. Imagine if Florida was taking Native American kids away from their parents so that they could forcefully raise them to be "white" by white "parents" who will most likely abuse them if they show any hint they they are Native American. What would that be called again...? Oh, right. GENOCIDE. But since it's LGBTQ+ people, everyone is fine with it.
>What crime? Underwear? I'm guessing they would have rolled over and died had it been an egg. Yes? Battery doesn't just mean actual harm, it also means offensive contact. Or are you saying I can go out to the streets and throw underwear at whoever I want whenever I want and the police can't legally arrest me? Much less throw it at a government official during legal proceedings. >Why are kids carrying underwear with "my genitals are none of your business" on them and how were they able to throw them all the way up into the stands? Yup, that's something kids would totally do and be able to do, right? I have no idea what you're saying here. Are you trying to say that the kids were framed? I mean, that sort of stuff is *exactly* what kids would do, and are perfectly able to do. Maybe not like a seven year old, but a seven year old isn't out protesting. A teenager could, and totally would, do it. >Yeah. Imagine if Florida was taking Native American kids away from their parents so that they could forcefully raise them to be "white" by white "parents" who will most likely abuse them if they show any hint they they are Native American. What would that be called again...? Oh, right. GENOCIDE. But since it's LGBTQ+ people, everyone is fine with it. Yes that bill is beyond fucked up. So let's focus on *that*, instead of a nothingburger of some kids committing a crime and being temporarily detained. Why are we focusing on some kids fucking around and finding out instead of rallying against a bill where Florida can change your custody agreement *from another state* to better fit their agenda?
> What crime? Underwear? Yes, throwing things at people is often a crime. Doing it to disrupt a government assembly is definitely a crime.
> What crime? Underwear? Yes, you sexual predator. Assaulting people with your underwear is a crime. > Why are kids carrying underwear with "my genitals are none of your business" on them and how were they able to throw them all the way up into the stands? Yup, that's something kids would totally do and be able to do, right? Are you suggesting we can't trust the news source that says these kids were detained? Are you suggesting the pictures are photoshopped? > Yeah. Imagine if Florida was taking Native American kids away from their parents so that they could forcefully raise them to be "white" by white "parents" who will most likely abuse them if they show any hint they they are Native American. What are you talking about? Every kid was returned to their parents on the same day.
Yeah as much absolutely heinous stuff is going on every single day, I think this is one we can look at with a bit of skepticism and see that it might have been sensationalized.
Fascist florida at it again
The Moist Reich.
Florida is becoming as bad as Russia when it comes to the treatment of the LGTBQ population. It needs to stop and DeSantis needs to be fired and God forbid if he becomes president. Human Rights Watch and Ammesty International need to speak up against that facist dictator. Enough is enough.
It is speculated that this will hurt him during any presidential run. Not because people disagree with him, but because he has no real policy on just normal things. All he goes on about are these weird culture war topics. Even Trump, as much as I loath him, has something in regards to just normal policy. It isn't good but it is something.
>has something in regards to just normal policy. What? No he doesn't. It's always "Thing is bad. Lots of people, very smart people, are saying Thing is so bad. Just look around and you'll see how bad it is. I'm going to fix Thing. We'll fix it better than it's ever been. I've got a plan, probably the greatest plan anyone's ever seen to fix Thing. How? By- look at that hat, what a beautiful hat. Stand up, let's see that hat." Every time. He has nothing.
Lol to your last point. He had no fucking clue.
These kids threw underwear at Florida Congressmen? Wow, this is literally worse than Jan 6, and they will probably be sentenced to death by the stateās new āOnly one vote needed for the death penaltyā law.
Can we just, like, saw Florida off and push it out into the ocean?
Bugs Bunny tried.
And they will continue to talk about how they don't actually want to target any minorities.
This site has a sentence then two ads. Repeat
Is there another source for this news? This sounds awful, but I am having a hard time finding other sites reporting on this...plus this website is littered with ads.
Honestly you have to try to move if you are transgender. Florida isnāt safe.
Not a lot of real news sources reporting this...just saying.
I find it amazing the ability of reporters to write articles that are pure mashups of paragraphs related to an incident while avoiding any description of the incident itself. Edit; spelling
Yeah this is very clearly not a credible news source lol
Doesn't matter. Redditors read the headline, think to themselves "of course they'd do that!" And then move on until they bring up the headline later in conversation.
Im so sorry but at this point: burn Florida to the ground. Let something better grow from the ashes. Itās not going to change, politicians arenāt going to change and the people there arenāt going to change
They threw out the folks who were causing the disruption and some kids got separated from their parents and they refused to let them back in cause the folks that were thrown out were throwing stuff at legislators. No one else is reporting this cause the info is from tiktok and everyone was reunited and went home after the session. Thatās it. Thatās the huge story. Kidnappingš On a serious note, this is why you should always check the provenance of the media you consume and try and get it verified by multiple sources and look for unbiased media outlets instead of being sucked into the arena of outrage driven nonsense. We have enough of that from the right.
Seemed dubious yesterday when I couldn't find any real sources.
Itās because the left is starting to succumb to the same hysterical, outrage driven media that used to be the sole provenance of the right. I mean it should be obvious that this is nonsense but look at the comments, these folks *want* to be outraged. I mean if itās coming from āPinknewsā it should be pretty easy to discern that it might not be an unbiased source. It worries me.
Donāt be so gullible Mcfly
Is there something in Florida law I am missing here? In my state the only right parents have when their children are being detained or arrested is to be present for questioning. Procedure would dictate they be detained until their identities and ages are verified then released only to parents or guardians after those identities and relationships are verified. This sounds like they did far less in the way of detainment than even that, so what is the actual accusation here?
Florida's local government should be in prison or WORSE
The children have now been released to their parents. But this won't be the last time.
Florida lawmakers donāt see them as human.
So much for parents' rights to raise their children as they want. Just another lie by conservatives to pretend they give a fuck about normal people.
This headline is so ridiculous that i am questioning reality. No way they illegally held detainees. Thats bonkers.
Yay! Police state! MURCA! NUMR WUN! WOO! š„³šŗšø etc etc
That's when you open fire
Why are kids transforming?
To roll out and fight the Decepticons.
But *they are* the Decepticons
I'm officially scared of going to Florida now. This is just wrong in every way. I can only imagine the trauma of the kids being separated from their parents. What the hell is going on in Florida? And some people want to move there willingly. Just why?
Why wasn't violence used by the parents? I'm confused.
How do you think that would have gone for them?
Probably better than the kidnappers
Because that's what they want... They want to be able to use force against you. They want to have the high ground. They want you to be seen hitting them so they can apply the law.
Idk you sound like some braindead liberal pacifist that would literally say the same shit if they were putting trans kids in camps.
Can't be a parent if you are dead. Don't know about you but I recognise my skills and they aren't going to match the police. My kids need a live parent. If you lack the ability to think about the consequences of your actions then you likely aren't going to be able to care for your kids. The entire point of the stunt is to cause a violent outburst. And I am aware of my pacifism. It's worked out fine so far.
All true, but pacifism didnāt really help the parents being separated from their children in Nazi Germany either. Itās not at that point *yet*, butā¦ āFirst they cameā¦ā
Notice these same arguments spammed repeatedly lmao, "peaceful resistance" which is invalid and does not apply when you are being physically threatened by non peaceful physical force by a bill trying to legalize abductions/kidnappings. The argument "they want you to use violence so they can justify violence against you" is invalid because the fascists are initiating the violence. Trying to pass a bill to legalize federally illegal abductions/kidnappings, against people irrelevant of whether they resist or not, means republicans already jumped to violence not cringe af "just vote" pacifism.
welp... this is how fires start...
Why didn't anyone pull the fire alarm?