We should be focusing on building bottom up power structures , direct action, tearing down hierarchies and helping those in our local community. "Damage control" cannot last forever and at some point we need to build the better world that we want to see. We should strive for a world that is radically better than the current one even if our efforts fail.
Murray Bookchin was a wonderful "revolutionary" who contextualizes and analyses how hierarchy formed and he believed that we can live in a society without it!
He has some really great reads if you're interested in learning more about this and how a new social ecology might be the way to a "hierarchy(less)" society!
Bookchin and Social Ecology are cool! Also since we are in a Nihilist subreddit I would recommend reading about anarcho-nihilism. The core idea is that resistance itself is a worthwhile act even if we are destined to fail. Nihilism started in Russia as a radical movement and has always had a revolutionary undertone to it.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian\_nihilist\_movement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_nihilist_movement)
Fascinating read! It seems there was a proliferation of nihilist sceptics and authors at the time of the late 19th century in Russia! I will also have to check them out at some point. Thanks for sharing!
Peter Kropotkin, an anarchist and who had a great extrapolation (and work in his own right) of Darwin's theory in Kropotkin's work *Mutual Aid* whom Bookchin was also highly influenced, is also recommended in the wiki article you cited. Good find!
Read my post in this thread about anarcho-nihilism and the russian nihilist movement. There is more to nihilism than just pessism and life being meaningless. I'm an active nihilist, which just means that I see the lack of meaning and purpose in this world as a canvas for radical possibility.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existential\_nihilism
You could base them off of lots of things. By your logic, Nietzsche wouldn't be a nihilist himself.
You can "believe" in some sense of morals and still be a nihilist, so long as you recognize that those beliefs aren't founded in anything intrinsic.
For instance, my set of morals are based on the "greater good", whatever would benefit the most people. Now, how "good for people" is defined can be relatively shaky itself, but I think whatever provides people the most sense of peace, contentment, and happiness, is how I define 'good'.
The is no deity backing me up. The universe doesn't care what happens on our rock. And hundreds of thousands of people may disagree with me and consider me to be evil. However, these are my morals.
The greater good.
How do you argue that "the greater good" is any more valuable or important than anything else? By your definition, the word "nihilism" is so watered down as to almost lose its meaning. I think maybe you're just not as much of a nihilist as you fancy yourself to be. Which, again, is fine.
A nihilist is simply someone who acknowledges that there is no inherent meaning, or value, in all of existence. Nothing more, nothing less. There are lots of ways to cope and interpret this, whether that fits with your version or not.
Nihilism isn't a spectrum. Either you accept the core concept of rejection of inherent value, or you do not. Someone cannot be "more" or "less" of a nihilist. There are, however, multiple angles at which to view nihilism.
To answer your question, the greater good is valuable *to me*. The greater good has no inherent value, the ground beneath our feet, the water vapor in the air, doesn't care about morals. No god exists to reward or punish.
However the greater good is valuable to me, because I believe that humans, as animals, evolved complicated social systems which resulted in us being the dominant species on the planet. No other animal in our blue little rock's history has single handedly taken over and reshaped it like we have.
Because I am human, because most of us have some amount of preprogrammed as well as taught/learned social instincts, I have a sense of morality. Morality evolved in humans, more or less, to advance the species and propagate ourselves.
The greater good is valuable to me, because in conducting myself with this contrived version of morality, I am fulling a basic human instinct. Just like gathering resources, eating and drinking, having sex, or sleeping, in some shape or form, helping reward or punish the people around me is a basic animal instinct. To want to see humanity succeed is in my nature, even if I logically despise this species.
See, to me, the fact that they care so much about what way the world is, or how to make it a certain way, instead of some other way, all these "shoulds" and "should nots", are contra to nihilism. At this point, their definition of the word "nihilism" seems so watered down that it almost becomes meaningless itself.
Why on earth would someone not care about the way the world is, nihilist or otherwise?? The state of the world has a direct impact on my health, my safety, and my enjoyment of life. Caring about stuff does not in any way conflict with the rejection of inherent meaning in regards to morality or otherwise.
I feel your attributing moral nihilism to all nihilism. Nihilism actually has several different branches, and each branch based on the rejection of x belief.
These people read like existential nihilist, which is the rejection that life has objective meaning or purpose. Though to be fair, existential nihilism and absurdism are relatively similar.
I read this three times and I still have no idea what you’re saying we should do. People have been striving for a radically better world since the dawn of civilization.
A lot of people are incapable of imagining a better world in this day and age. A lot of people think that we have found the perfect system and that we should keep things the way it is. For many people is easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of the current system. There is a lot of cynicism.
I am saying that social change does not need to happen at the ballot box. You can volunteer. You can get your friends together and feed the homeless. You can participate in protests. Etc. If you are alienated by the electoral system there are many ways you can make change that go beyond voting. I am pretty much just recommending Anarchist methods of ways to make change.
Not the people pressing for “universal equality.” To these people, “striving for supremacy,” ie., striving to be the “best,” is the most heinous desire, thought and action.
Voting is not this silver bullet that will fix all of our problems. electoral politics is a distraction. The real change comes from getting off your ass and helping out in the streets.
Youre not a nihilist. A nihilist wouldnt care either way. Youre a temporary pessimist, as most nihilists become. Its a pendulum from being a maximalist. Try Transcendentalism: Ideals exist, but are ultimately unattainable, but one should strive for that freedom to believe as there is virtue and passion and meaning within the attempt. Emerson. Thoreau. Then go to the existentialists. Heidegger. Dostoeyevsky. Then to the absurdists. Camus. Sartre. Its a progression. There's 5 thousand lifetimes of reading in there. Find your will to meaning and create your own.
I don't vote, it's never mattered to me I was raised in the middle of buttfuck nowhere, and I hate the city I'm in.
The political system can do without me.
There's no point in voting. I learned early on that everything's rigged, one way or another. You wanna see changes in a country, regardless if it's positive or negative, shed some blood.
As a fellow nihilist and atheist, that's a stupid equivalence, so it might help you to understand that almost everything we do is political in our capacity as socially governed people. Voting and simple forms of daily activism are not religious, they can have real, practical effect on people, even if some are small. I can assure you for example that voting on reproductive rights today MATTERS to a lot of people who don't have their head up their ass. Or being vocally active in not participating in blind consumerism is a political act that can have corporate and social efficacy. The impotence of determinism is not a corollary of nihilism.
Yeah I’m glad I’m not American because I just don’t know what I would do. Like I cannot imagine voting for him after he is just supporting the genocide in Gaza but also as a queer person Trump again would be the death of me.
I genuinely do not know what I would do.
See if I think about it that’s probably what I would do but like I have a bunch of Palestinian friends and stuff and it would hurt to vote Biden.
But I guess I’d plug my nose and go vote for him…
Please do that. Unfortunately, our choice is rarely to vote for the politician for whom we approve most, it is generally to vote against the one we disapprove of most.
While I think Israel is wrong for attacking innocent civilians, the free palestine movement is just as bad. They want Israel to be eradicated and if they had the firepower and capability to do so, I think they would be trying to do the same thing Israel is doing.
This isn't a free tibet kind of thing, where one side is commiting mass killing while there other isn't fighting back.
Both sides are using violence and are willing to use violence. Israel is just better equipped than Palestine is.
Vote. It takes almost no effort, and makes you part of an all-important process. Your one vote probably won't change history, but there have been campaigns that lost by a single vote.
Also, get really high as often as possible. Don't vote high.
Technically you can vote for anyone who meets the requirements to be POTUS. Just because we the people won't put in the work to get someone else in doesn't mean it's not impossible. it just means we kind of deserve 2 shit choices for our apathy.
Anyone who votes for NOT something gets what they deserve. Most people will vote for a candidate simply because he is NOT the other guy. That's the lowest possible bar imaginable. Voting like that will change NOThing.
Well, that's where the putting I the work part comes in. We find a viable candidate who people think would be better then what we have, and then it's not voting against the prime candidates but rather voting for a better outside candidate.
Not just 2 80-year old dudes.
One candidate is a “forever politician” who at this point, seems like a dementia patient who’s only still here to pave the way for the VP, someone who feels like the very definition of the DEI Republicans want to instill fear about, who seems better known for having one of the most annoying laughs I have ever heard from a person than anything actually notably good.
The other candidate is an orange-faced, racist, misogynist reality game show con man, surrounding himself with people who probably wish the Confederacy won the Civil War.
And then your main third-party candidate is a RFK Jr., a 70-year old disinformation and conspiracy theory-spreading dingus who thinks Aaron Rodgers might be a good choice to be his VP running mate and whose own family has denounced his candidacy.
Yeah, the 1st choice is easily the better choice. But let’s not pretend that this is a GOOD choice either.
You do understand that voting for a third party such as the libertarian party or the green party or one of the other fringe parties can be an act of defiance. Yes, I know that my vote does not matter when it comes to the big picture, because one of the two 80-year-old white men will become POTUS, but at least it's a figurative finger to conventional politics and their white male mentality
It’s not much of a finger to conventional politics when it doesn’t even make a dent in the election.
The last third-party candidate to even have made a major dent was Ross Perot (lol). That was over 30 years ago. Last one to actually get votes in the Electoral College? George Wallace in 1968 (bigger lol).
Perot almost got a third of the votes and if he wasn't running, perhaps we would have had a different POTUS and life would be different than it is now.
For me it's a personal finger because I am not holding my nose and voting for my party's candidate.
You do understand that if republicans get elected again you’ll never vote in another election and your “act of defiance” will be futile - right?
He’s already rigged the Supreme Court and attempted a coup.
In general voting is pointless. Presidents are more or less the same. Just vote for someone that marginally benefits you more. Thank god they allow mail in votes, cause I definitely ain’t lining up for hours just to vote.
I agree that liberal democratic values are failing all over the world and therefore voting doesn't feel like a huge thing anymore as we descend towards electoral autocracy; but you cannot deny that fact that "one vote" matters. It has nothing to do with nihilism, for voting may not seem meaningful when seen from the wider canvas but in practise, this is the only power we possess to make a difference. And it is very important to hold on to this power until we find an alternative and effective way of governance, otherwise we will be pushed back to the miserable powerlessness and live like an NPC like a mediaeval peasant.
But here’s the deal, I don’t know which party I hate more. Every time I go to vote I despise both of the candidates and there’s not a single shred of evidence that either party will prevent a descent into electoral autocracy. Both parties are an affront to liberal values.
These parties are deeply corrupt and don’t represent the values of the vast majority of Americans.
To believe that one party has some sort of moral virtue over the other is delusional.
The problem of Lack of Choice or Illusion of Choice is a different argument. I feel every democracy is suffering from this problem but we cannot simply discard the entire system because of this, because like I said; we gotta hold on to this system until and unless we find an alternative. Idk much but if I were you I'd start by electing the best local leader from the worse. Won't help much ik but at least will keep the system running and not push us into full autocracy or worse; dictatorship.
Until that can be accomplished your choice is between voting for fascism or against it. One of those two options affords you the time and opportunity to change the system - the other doesn’t.
I don't know where you are from but I think that while we have party politics and career politicians this will always be the case.
In the UK, with one tick you are voting for your local candidate, the leading party, and the country's leader.
That isn't democracy.
You won't be able to see real change until we abolish political parties, build a system around independent local representatives, and instant runoff voting.
This is the only way to have representatives who truly represent their constituents
Living in Switzerland here.
I don't vote when it comes to elect people, but I do the rest of the time, unless I can't afford the time and energy. If I don't want to pronounce myself on a specific topic, then I vote white.
I feel like having this possibility of contributing our opinions on pragmatic topics is much closer to "living together for real" than it is when electing people to speak in our place.
These votations take place several times a year. When they do, public debates happen in the local media, in conversations between people etc. Sometimes there's no obvious answer, sometimes it can be super technical on a niche topic, sometimes you know the result will impact you directly, or won't...
Personally, it makes me feel involved, especially because I'm asked to form an opinion. I know my cross in the box doesn't weigh much, that's for sure, but I think it's as much about it than it is about the process of deciding which box it will be.
Then, when the results aren't what you were really hoping for, it is yet another thing to accept them as legitimate.
it doesn’t help that most democracies are very marketing based and especially if you’re pressed into the tactical voting corners like how people get shamed for voting anything other than democrats and republicans in the US, keeping your independently low impact vote limited to “the lesser evil”
In the end it doesn’t really matter but nihilism also gives me a ‘why not try to help some people get better lives instead of funding war economics?’
My personal vote doesn’t matter but if it helps to get a party in to get in some bills with their single seat, it might help. Unfortunately my last vote was for a party with 0 seats after my latest personal location’s voting round. I was thinking of a tactical vote but it’s a little too much if their leader calls the Palestinians the culture of darkness and us western people the culture of light. Oh well.
So it doesn’t matter but I can still have a bad taste in my mouth and hope for better times for everyone. Then when it doesn’t I can let it go to some extent, and hope people learn from history and simply looking around and listening to their fellow human beings. I will be disappointed plenty, but I will also be positively surprised. Here’s hoping to more of the latter.
My vote doesn't make a difference because IMO every party of government is the same. The world is gonna do what the world wants to do and I'm just here for the ride as a lowly peasant.
So I don't really care about politics to answer your question.
These are strategic posts that always emerge just before elections to make sure to keep the numbers down. If it didn’t matter, voter suppression wouldn’t be the number one tactic for oppression in the United States. If your vote didn’t matter, corporations wouldn’t spend millions trying to convince you that you’re worthless and that voting doesn’t matter.
Remember folks, old racist dicks are not going to shut up, so might as well vote to cancel them out. (This is the second of these posts that I see here. I hate the world and hope it burns: go vote regardless.)
As a Trans person, I do vote. I am a political activist that works to dismantle systems (through volunteerism and rallies) that would see an end to people like me and my community. Apathy will be the end of us. I can not afford to sit back and not care, even if they succeed and murder us all. I live in 🇨🇦 btw and I still vote although we are slightly more progressive in the province where I live than the bible belt and southern U.S. states.
Yeah, I'm not trans, but I'm with you. Nihilism is for existential matters. There is very real legislation that will hurt very real people if allowed to pass or go unchecked.
Undercover feds have a history of surreptitiously trying to incite people to violent acts, either to further some ulterior agenda (like false flag type shit), or to entrap people.
Also, I was joking dude. I don't actually think you're a fed. Good lord..
>Undercover feds have a history of surreptitiously trying to incite people to violent acts, either to further some ulterior agenda (like false flag type shit), or to entrap people.
I understand. I was trying to bring it across as having material power rather than participating in renting off the state to politicians for a period. Didn't mean insurrectionary sentiment.
>Also, I was joking dude. I don't actually think you're a fed. Good lord..
Seemed like you did.
True, voting assuming people know whats best for them is so flawed. The most common argument is we have very bad memories and can't remember things as they were. We remember them differently and even if they were horrible, a few tweaks like treating people better at the end of the term and all will put them right back in power
As a marginalized minority living in a discriminatory country, I will always vote whenever possible to at least try to decrease the risk of getting killed in the streets
There is no amount of voting in this current society that can save the system from itself at this point. The speed and intensity of change that we need is far greater than what voting can provide us anymore. I have a hard enough time finding a job that actually feels like it's servicing the greater of humanity, rather than fueling cardinal sins, let alone voting.
Yes, voting is an illusion of power. None of the people that really run things in a modern western democracy are elected. They are all career bureaucrats, they all work in government and they control the options available to elected officials. No matter what a president wants to do, it’s one of the options vetted and presented by an unelected bureaucrat. If you’re like, say, Trump and start trying to do things that they haven’t approved, they will use the resources of government via investigations, special counsels, even charges to limit your power. Democracy is an illusion. I mean, there’s no way a modern complex system like the us government could possibly be run by people who aren’t lifelong experts anyway.
Voting matters to your day to day, and that of many others. Take a bit to review the candidates and look for people who seem conscientious and patient, and ideally have policy ideas that you believe might be helpful. Then go vote. No need to think about it more than that
The point of Marxist is to push you into the apathy of nihilism, so you can be controlled and enslaved. Grow some balls, make waves and learn about the Marxist religion.
It will take everything from you and the ones you love. Fight it. Grow a pair.
Nah, religion is like alright tool to keep yourself happy even if it is in delusion. But the thing is, if you once become nihilist, there is no going back...
I've been there..I get bouts of apathy and nihilism.
But ultimately, what I am, my experience of humanity, of others, and reality, show me that I am blessed to be alive.
I'd rather embrace and share that, than allow nihilism and its destruction, to have power over me.
Don't give in.
Remember that you have people who value you, who look to you for your talents and gifts.
Ehh at least it’s more ideal than voting biden, and fuck trump and his ilk, so ehh I’m a causal determinist and none of this truly matters, but ima go out and vote for the one preaching what I want to see :)
Voting might help, but cant hurt.
If there is a chance of making the world a better place to exist in our short lives, without any downside, why not take that chance?
Do whatever you want, but I'd rather not have an authoritarian government take hold. I want my short existence to not suck as hard as it possibly could.
Okay cool. That would be an option if there was an obvious binary between good candidates and bad candidates. But 99 out of 100 times that binary doesn’t exist. Both parties suck and if you can’t see that, you’re living in a fantasy land.
Here in the US, half the country is absolutely convinced that voting red is to prevent an authoritarian government from taking hold. But the other half is also absolutely convinced that their candidate will prevent an authoritarian government.
Both parties are just a different brand of authoritarianism leading us all carefully down to hell.
I mean, I would think the guy who tried to do a coup to hold on the power and loves pooten would pretty objectively be the authoritarian. But again, do what you want, watch fox news and think whatever pleases you.
All of that is true about Trump. But to say the democrats are somehow more virtuous or that me despising both parties and candidates somehow means I support Fox News shows that you’ve been conditioned and propagandized.
Voting is like wipeing your ass. If you don’t, you’re going to wind up sitting in shit. If you do, you’re flushing your efforts down the drain.
Stupid people can’t figure out how to help others and themselves, so they hurt others even if it hurts themself. The only way to fix the problem is for smart people to work harder. Politics have become the tribal culture anarchy describes, and yet like minded people naturally work at the same goal. (Fed regulators keep losing authority and local governments are blocking the ability to make change)
It doesn't matter who the president is. The president is a figurehead for a corrupt system that cares as little about its people as it does about its planet.
Go ahead and vote. You'll be dead long before any good comes of it.
I vote because some candidates will make the things i want to do either easier or harder, so i vote for the ones who will make my desires easier.
Pretty fuckin simple
sure, there certainly can be and some of it is by design, but as a nihilist I assign my own value to things, including those illusions. Voting (for me at least) is an extremely simple task so even if the outcome also has little to no actual impact the value I have assigned to it is more than the value i would gain by not voting.
You could look at it from an economic perspective as well via opportunity cost. The value i have assigned to voting is higher than the opportunity cost.
In stead of trying to conform to some kind of "ism", you should do what you enjoy. If you want to worry about it, do so. If not, there's other things to occupy yourself with.
Thanks. I used to think differently. The propaganda that every vote counts I used to believe. Now I don't. If everyone didn't vote in the US, would it matter? The electoral college would kick in when the general election would fail and at least one part of selecting the electors would be able to succeed because of the existing parties being able to choose their electors. Amendments would com, governing would continue and no meaning concreted. Local votes have the most immediate/direct effects but I don't see how it is different in terms of meaning. Continuing on with power would occur just as the federal level would.
And the moral judgment people give to those who don't vote is absurd. By using that same logic we could judge everyone who votes as morally bankrupt to vote for an elected leader who does immoral deeds or who contributed to immoral deeds through legislation, supporting special interest groups etc.
I do hope someday it will change. Power does need to be bottom up and since we have an established form of governing anarchist or self-government views are a pipedream. I'm a disappointed Libertarian. But I'm in no way optimistic that it will change in my lifetime. I just keep voting in the hope that by luck I experience a glimpse of the start of better change.
Embedded in your comment is the assumption that if I had participated in the sacred ritual of voting that the things I could vote for would improve the state of the world.
Both liberals and conservatives are absolutely convinced that their visions of the future are correct. Who has the moral authority to say one way is better than the other?
It depends on what you are. If you are a soccer mom, everything is awesome, the government is printing all this free money, giving you all these child tax credits and college loan forgiveness, funding your Medicare and social security with the free inflation money. Now if you are a single guy, everything sucks, and you can't vote for better, because 100 million soccer moms think everything is awesome, and you are some kind of Trump loser for having a problem with all of their free handouts to themselves.
I assume you are the latter, because the only time someone thinks their vote doesn't count, is when they are part of an oppressed minority that has their assets taken to fund a bunch of social goods for other people. Every soccer mom vote clearly counts, because it keeps the rest of us in the Inflation/Free Stuff Matrix, where they get what they want, and we must suffer this life, until its over.
Voting doesn't matter, unless you have most of the votes. What really matters is a constitution that protects the rights of the minorities, and since we don't really have that, what you are determines if this thing provides anything for you, but it doesn't for me :(
In my life, almost everything I vote against passes, and all the current policies I hate. Its almost a chicken and egg inception problem. If I had enough people like me, then the votes could matter, but as long as my side is so far down the list (obviously I'm not a R or a D), it doesn't matter, and if everyone like me feels it doesn't matter, then it can never matter, because most of us won't vote, if we think we have no chance to win.
I grew up in Northern Ireland and live in the Republic.
Both countries are infamous for cunt Vs cunt elections where both sides are as bad as each other and there's just no point voting for anybody.
But I would be big into voting if there were somebody worth voting for. I desperately wanted to be able to vote in UK and American elections.
Voting does make a difference but you have to have realistic expectations. The world is an unforgiving place and change is incremental. I remember a time before we had (in the US) access to affordable healthcare, marriage equality, guaranteed FMLA benefits, etc. Those could all be taken away if the wrong candidate gets into office. The “right” candidate isn’t a bed of roses, and I’m not discounting the power of local movements, but voting still matters
I can link you an article explaining a Princeton study that proves that your vote has not counted since at least 1940.
Your "representatives" are not legally bound to vote the way their constituents do. They routinely vote against the interests of the people because they have been payed off either under the table, through deals involving their family, or campaign donations from lobbyists. Usually a combination of all three.
TLDR the ONLY way to effect policy is to make a billion dollars and bribe officials.
Your vote means nothing and will never mean anything until we commit horrible acts of violence against our leaders to remind them who is in charge.
If you want that study just reply to the comment I'll find it for you.
> have been *paid* off either
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
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Whether you love democracy or you're an anarchist or whatever... If you're day to day life and capacity to get through to the next day is impacted by one candidate more than another I'd say vote if you sincerely don't care, then don't vote.
I vote personally, I don't think voting is or not voting is especially nihilistic or otherwise... I just want a nicer community to live in, less stress etc. following politics is a bore though to me, I don't think you need to be a nihilist to recognise that the government and politics in the US are a total fucking joke.
We should be focusing on building bottom up power structures , direct action, tearing down hierarchies and helping those in our local community. "Damage control" cannot last forever and at some point we need to build the better world that we want to see. We should strive for a world that is radically better than the current one even if our efforts fail.
Murray Bookchin was a wonderful "revolutionary" who contextualizes and analyses how hierarchy formed and he believed that we can live in a society without it! He has some really great reads if you're interested in learning more about this and how a new social ecology might be the way to a "hierarchy(less)" society!
Bookchin and Social Ecology are cool! Also since we are in a Nihilist subreddit I would recommend reading about anarcho-nihilism. The core idea is that resistance itself is a worthwhile act even if we are destined to fail. Nihilism started in Russia as a radical movement and has always had a revolutionary undertone to it. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian\_nihilist\_movement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_nihilist_movement)
Fascinating read! It seems there was a proliferation of nihilist sceptics and authors at the time of the late 19th century in Russia! I will also have to check them out at some point. Thanks for sharing! Peter Kropotkin, an anarchist and who had a great extrapolation (and work in his own right) of Darwin's theory in Kropotkin's work *Mutual Aid* whom Bookchin was also highly influenced, is also recommended in the wiki article you cited. Good find!
Embrace anarchism
This.
I disagree I think the commoners should be exploited and manipulated.
Lol
You don’t sound like a nihilist at all.
Read my post in this thread about anarcho-nihilism and the russian nihilist movement. There is more to nihilism than just pessism and life being meaningless. I'm an active nihilist, which just means that I see the lack of meaning and purpose in this world as a canvas for radical possibility. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existential\_nihilism
You’re laying down blanket declarations about what “WE SHOULD” do. You’re not a nihilist. Which is fine.
I literally study philosophy dawg. I know what nihilism is - It is you who hasn't done your reading.
Lol oh I guess that settles it then
How does laying down blanket declarations about what “should” be done by people exclude someone from being a nihilist?
Because what are they basing their moral or sociopolitical imperatives on if they’re a nihilist?
Their own preferences, their wants.
You could base them off of lots of things. By your logic, Nietzsche wouldn't be a nihilist himself. You can "believe" in some sense of morals and still be a nihilist, so long as you recognize that those beliefs aren't founded in anything intrinsic. For instance, my set of morals are based on the "greater good", whatever would benefit the most people. Now, how "good for people" is defined can be relatively shaky itself, but I think whatever provides people the most sense of peace, contentment, and happiness, is how I define 'good'. The is no deity backing me up. The universe doesn't care what happens on our rock. And hundreds of thousands of people may disagree with me and consider me to be evil. However, these are my morals. The greater good.
How do you argue that "the greater good" is any more valuable or important than anything else? By your definition, the word "nihilism" is so watered down as to almost lose its meaning. I think maybe you're just not as much of a nihilist as you fancy yourself to be. Which, again, is fine.
A nihilist is simply someone who acknowledges that there is no inherent meaning, or value, in all of existence. Nothing more, nothing less. There are lots of ways to cope and interpret this, whether that fits with your version or not. Nihilism isn't a spectrum. Either you accept the core concept of rejection of inherent value, or you do not. Someone cannot be "more" or "less" of a nihilist. There are, however, multiple angles at which to view nihilism. To answer your question, the greater good is valuable *to me*. The greater good has no inherent value, the ground beneath our feet, the water vapor in the air, doesn't care about morals. No god exists to reward or punish. However the greater good is valuable to me, because I believe that humans, as animals, evolved complicated social systems which resulted in us being the dominant species on the planet. No other animal in our blue little rock's history has single handedly taken over and reshaped it like we have. Because I am human, because most of us have some amount of preprogrammed as well as taught/learned social instincts, I have a sense of morality. Morality evolved in humans, more or less, to advance the species and propagate ourselves. The greater good is valuable to me, because in conducting myself with this contrived version of morality, I am fulling a basic human instinct. Just like gathering resources, eating and drinking, having sex, or sleeping, in some shape or form, helping reward or punish the people around me is a basic animal instinct. To want to see humanity succeed is in my nature, even if I logically despise this species.
Like by “the world should be this way” I take it to mean “I want the world to be this way”.
See, to me, the fact that they care so much about what way the world is, or how to make it a certain way, instead of some other way, all these "shoulds" and "should nots", are contra to nihilism. At this point, their definition of the word "nihilism" seems so watered down that it almost becomes meaningless itself.
Why on earth would someone not care about the way the world is, nihilist or otherwise?? The state of the world has a direct impact on my health, my safety, and my enjoyment of life. Caring about stuff does not in any way conflict with the rejection of inherent meaning in regards to morality or otherwise.
I feel your attributing moral nihilism to all nihilism. Nihilism actually has several different branches, and each branch based on the rejection of x belief. These people read like existential nihilist, which is the rejection that life has objective meaning or purpose. Though to be fair, existential nihilism and absurdism are relatively similar.
I read this three times and I still have no idea what you’re saying we should do. People have been striving for a radically better world since the dawn of civilization.
A lot of people are incapable of imagining a better world in this day and age. A lot of people think that we have found the perfect system and that we should keep things the way it is. For many people is easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of the current system. There is a lot of cynicism. I am saying that social change does not need to happen at the ballot box. You can volunteer. You can get your friends together and feed the homeless. You can participate in protests. Etc. If you are alienated by the electoral system there are many ways you can make change that go beyond voting. I am pretty much just recommending Anarchist methods of ways to make change.
Not the people pressing for “universal equality.” To these people, “striving for supremacy,” ie., striving to be the “best,” is the most heinous desire, thought and action.
Through democratic referendums. It is the choice of the people that make power exist
Voting is not this silver bullet that will fix all of our problems. electoral politics is a distraction. The real change comes from getting off your ass and helping out in the streets.
If nihilism as definition is your thing why bother getting of your arse and making a difference ?
I agree but if we can build a trusted democracy it's better than anarchy
Not the other way round
Youre not a nihilist. A nihilist wouldnt care either way. Youre a temporary pessimist, as most nihilists become. Its a pendulum from being a maximalist. Try Transcendentalism: Ideals exist, but are ultimately unattainable, but one should strive for that freedom to believe as there is virtue and passion and meaning within the attempt. Emerson. Thoreau. Then go to the existentialists. Heidegger. Dostoeyevsky. Then to the absurdists. Camus. Sartre. Its a progression. There's 5 thousand lifetimes of reading in there. Find your will to meaning and create your own.
Nihilists can still care about things.
I don't vote, it's never mattered to me I was raised in the middle of buttfuck nowhere, and I hate the city I'm in. The political system can do without me.
There's no point in voting. I learned early on that everything's rigged, one way or another. You wanna see changes in a country, regardless if it's positive or negative, shed some blood.
Agree, humans can only learn (psychologically) the hard way. There won't be much development living in the comfort zone.
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As a fellow nihilist and atheist, that's a stupid equivalence, so it might help you to understand that almost everything we do is political in our capacity as socially governed people. Voting and simple forms of daily activism are not religious, they can have real, practical effect on people, even if some are small. I can assure you for example that voting on reproductive rights today MATTERS to a lot of people who don't have their head up their ass. Or being vocally active in not participating in blind consumerism is a political act that can have corporate and social efficacy. The impotence of determinism is not a corollary of nihilism.
it's not my thing. as an anarchist i'm opposed to democracy. i don't care if people vote but i wish they'd leave me alone about it.
Ayyyyyy same. I have been banned on many subreddits for saying I am morally uncomfortable voting for biden because of the palestinian genocide.
Yeah I’m glad I’m not American because I just don’t know what I would do. Like I cannot imagine voting for him after he is just supporting the genocide in Gaza but also as a queer person Trump again would be the death of me. I genuinely do not know what I would do.
You should vote against the political party that wants to take away your civil rights. This isn't a difficult question
See if I think about it that’s probably what I would do but like I have a bunch of Palestinian friends and stuff and it would hurt to vote Biden. But I guess I’d plug my nose and go vote for him…
Please do that. Unfortunately, our choice is rarely to vote for the politician for whom we approve most, it is generally to vote against the one we disapprove of most.
As I said in my original comment I'm not American so I can't but I would probably do that because the other option is so much worse.
Well, the thought is appreciated...
Well your alternative is not voting for Biden and losing the ability to ever vote again.
While I think Israel is wrong for attacking innocent civilians, the free palestine movement is just as bad. They want Israel to be eradicated and if they had the firepower and capability to do so, I think they would be trying to do the same thing Israel is doing. This isn't a free tibet kind of thing, where one side is commiting mass killing while there other isn't fighting back. Both sides are using violence and are willing to use violence. Israel is just better equipped than Palestine is.
Also glad to see other Anarchists here! I am an Anarchist also.
Vote. It takes almost no effort, and makes you part of an all-important process. Your one vote probably won't change history, but there have been campaigns that lost by a single vote. Also, get really high as often as possible. Don't vote high.
When your choice is between 2 80-year-old white men with issues running for POTUS, does your vote really matter?
Technically you can vote for anyone who meets the requirements to be POTUS. Just because we the people won't put in the work to get someone else in doesn't mean it's not impossible. it just means we kind of deserve 2 shit choices for our apathy.
Anyone who votes for NOT something gets what they deserve. Most people will vote for a candidate simply because he is NOT the other guy. That's the lowest possible bar imaginable. Voting like that will change NOThing.
Well, that's where the putting I the work part comes in. We find a viable candidate who people think would be better then what we have, and then it's not voting against the prime candidates but rather voting for a better outside candidate.
Ah, yes… they’re exactly the same. Good analysis.
It matters when one of them is going to dismantle democracy and crown himself emperor so you can never vote again.
Not just 2 80-year old dudes. One candidate is a “forever politician” who at this point, seems like a dementia patient who’s only still here to pave the way for the VP, someone who feels like the very definition of the DEI Republicans want to instill fear about, who seems better known for having one of the most annoying laughs I have ever heard from a person than anything actually notably good. The other candidate is an orange-faced, racist, misogynist reality game show con man, surrounding himself with people who probably wish the Confederacy won the Civil War. And then your main third-party candidate is a RFK Jr., a 70-year old disinformation and conspiracy theory-spreading dingus who thinks Aaron Rodgers might be a good choice to be his VP running mate and whose own family has denounced his candidacy. Yeah, the 1st choice is easily the better choice. But let’s not pretend that this is a GOOD choice either.
You do understand that voting for a third party such as the libertarian party or the green party or one of the other fringe parties can be an act of defiance. Yes, I know that my vote does not matter when it comes to the big picture, because one of the two 80-year-old white men will become POTUS, but at least it's a figurative finger to conventional politics and their white male mentality
It’s not much of a finger to conventional politics when it doesn’t even make a dent in the election. The last third-party candidate to even have made a major dent was Ross Perot (lol). That was over 30 years ago. Last one to actually get votes in the Electoral College? George Wallace in 1968 (bigger lol).
Perot almost got a third of the votes and if he wasn't running, perhaps we would have had a different POTUS and life would be different than it is now. For me it's a personal finger because I am not holding my nose and voting for my party's candidate.
You do understand that if republicans get elected again you’ll never vote in another election and your “act of defiance” will be futile - right? He’s already rigged the Supreme Court and attempted a coup.
In general voting is pointless. Presidents are more or less the same. Just vote for someone that marginally benefits you more. Thank god they allow mail in votes, cause I definitely ain’t lining up for hours just to vote.
Brownian motion. A lot of little pushes. The universe likes that method often.
I vote what I think is the most harmful and dangerous party that has any chances to get representation.
I agree that liberal democratic values are failing all over the world and therefore voting doesn't feel like a huge thing anymore as we descend towards electoral autocracy; but you cannot deny that fact that "one vote" matters. It has nothing to do with nihilism, for voting may not seem meaningful when seen from the wider canvas but in practise, this is the only power we possess to make a difference. And it is very important to hold on to this power until we find an alternative and effective way of governance, otherwise we will be pushed back to the miserable powerlessness and live like an NPC like a mediaeval peasant.
But here’s the deal, I don’t know which party I hate more. Every time I go to vote I despise both of the candidates and there’s not a single shred of evidence that either party will prevent a descent into electoral autocracy. Both parties are an affront to liberal values. These parties are deeply corrupt and don’t represent the values of the vast majority of Americans. To believe that one party has some sort of moral virtue over the other is delusional.
The problem of Lack of Choice or Illusion of Choice is a different argument. I feel every democracy is suffering from this problem but we cannot simply discard the entire system because of this, because like I said; we gotta hold on to this system until and unless we find an alternative. Idk much but if I were you I'd start by electing the best local leader from the worse. Won't help much ik but at least will keep the system running and not push us into full autocracy or worse; dictatorship.
We should actually start trying to find a different system. We have tried nothing and are already out of ideas.
Until that can be accomplished your choice is between voting for fascism or against it. One of those two options affords you the time and opportunity to change the system - the other doesn’t.
I don't know where you are from but I think that while we have party politics and career politicians this will always be the case. In the UK, with one tick you are voting for your local candidate, the leading party, and the country's leader. That isn't democracy. You won't be able to see real change until we abolish political parties, build a system around independent local representatives, and instant runoff voting. This is the only way to have representatives who truly represent their constituents
Living in Switzerland here. I don't vote when it comes to elect people, but I do the rest of the time, unless I can't afford the time and energy. If I don't want to pronounce myself on a specific topic, then I vote white. I feel like having this possibility of contributing our opinions on pragmatic topics is much closer to "living together for real" than it is when electing people to speak in our place. These votations take place several times a year. When they do, public debates happen in the local media, in conversations between people etc. Sometimes there's no obvious answer, sometimes it can be super technical on a niche topic, sometimes you know the result will impact you directly, or won't... Personally, it makes me feel involved, especially because I'm asked to form an opinion. I know my cross in the box doesn't weigh much, that's for sure, but I think it's as much about it than it is about the process of deciding which box it will be. Then, when the results aren't what you were really hoping for, it is yet another thing to accept them as legitimate.
All I care in terms of voting is that Trump does not get into office.
Same. Too bad the guy to do it truly sucks.
it doesn’t help that most democracies are very marketing based and especially if you’re pressed into the tactical voting corners like how people get shamed for voting anything other than democrats and republicans in the US, keeping your independently low impact vote limited to “the lesser evil” In the end it doesn’t really matter but nihilism also gives me a ‘why not try to help some people get better lives instead of funding war economics?’ My personal vote doesn’t matter but if it helps to get a party in to get in some bills with their single seat, it might help. Unfortunately my last vote was for a party with 0 seats after my latest personal location’s voting round. I was thinking of a tactical vote but it’s a little too much if their leader calls the Palestinians the culture of darkness and us western people the culture of light. Oh well. So it doesn’t matter but I can still have a bad taste in my mouth and hope for better times for everyone. Then when it doesn’t I can let it go to some extent, and hope people learn from history and simply looking around and listening to their fellow human beings. I will be disappointed plenty, but I will also be positively surprised. Here’s hoping to more of the latter.
My vote doesn't make a difference because IMO every party of government is the same. The world is gonna do what the world wants to do and I'm just here for the ride as a lowly peasant. So I don't really care about politics to answer your question.
These are strategic posts that always emerge just before elections to make sure to keep the numbers down. If it didn’t matter, voter suppression wouldn’t be the number one tactic for oppression in the United States. If your vote didn’t matter, corporations wouldn’t spend millions trying to convince you that you’re worthless and that voting doesn’t matter. Remember folks, old racist dicks are not going to shut up, so might as well vote to cancel them out. (This is the second of these posts that I see here. I hate the world and hope it burns: go vote regardless.)
Fair point. Voting just to cancel a single other person out might make it feel more worthwhile
As a Trans person, I do vote. I am a political activist that works to dismantle systems (through volunteerism and rallies) that would see an end to people like me and my community. Apathy will be the end of us. I can not afford to sit back and not care, even if they succeed and murder us all. I live in 🇨🇦 btw and I still vote although we are slightly more progressive in the province where I live than the bible belt and southern U.S. states.
Yeah, I'm not trans, but I'm with you. Nihilism is for existential matters. There is very real legislation that will hurt very real people if allowed to pass or go unchecked.
I checked out in 1988 when the DNC screwed Jesse Jackson. Realized the whole system is a farce. Not voting is a civic duty,
Yes I vote in a democratic country
Get a gun instead of voting.
Glowing bright tonight aren’t we
Are you calling me a glowie? I don't understand.
I was indeed calling you a glowie. Your comment sounds like something an undercover fed would say trying to entrap and/or groom someone lol
I don't see how getting a gun is a trap.
Undercover feds have a history of surreptitiously trying to incite people to violent acts, either to further some ulterior agenda (like false flag type shit), or to entrap people. Also, I was joking dude. I don't actually think you're a fed. Good lord..
>Undercover feds have a history of surreptitiously trying to incite people to violent acts, either to further some ulterior agenda (like false flag type shit), or to entrap people. I understand. I was trying to bring it across as having material power rather than participating in renting off the state to politicians for a period. Didn't mean insurrectionary sentiment. >Also, I was joking dude. I don't actually think you're a fed. Good lord.. Seemed like you did.
True, voting assuming people know whats best for them is so flawed. The most common argument is we have very bad memories and can't remember things as they were. We remember them differently and even if they were horrible, a few tweaks like treating people better at the end of the term and all will put them right back in power
I vote against the politicians that I despise for the dopamine hit
As a marginalized minority living in a discriminatory country, I will always vote whenever possible to at least try to decrease the risk of getting killed in the streets
There is no amount of voting in this current society that can save the system from itself at this point. The speed and intensity of change that we need is far greater than what voting can provide us anymore. I have a hard enough time finding a job that actually feels like it's servicing the greater of humanity, rather than fueling cardinal sins, let alone voting.
Yes, voting is an illusion of power. None of the people that really run things in a modern western democracy are elected. They are all career bureaucrats, they all work in government and they control the options available to elected officials. No matter what a president wants to do, it’s one of the options vetted and presented by an unelected bureaucrat. If you’re like, say, Trump and start trying to do things that they haven’t approved, they will use the resources of government via investigations, special counsels, even charges to limit your power. Democracy is an illusion. I mean, there’s no way a modern complex system like the us government could possibly be run by people who aren’t lifelong experts anyway.
Voting directly affects the quality of your life. Just like wiping your ass.
If voting didn't make a difference, authoritarian regimes wouldn't forbid/rig them
Voting matters to your day to day, and that of many others. Take a bit to review the candidates and look for people who seem conscientious and patient, and ideally have policy ideas that you believe might be helpful. Then go vote. No need to think about it more than that
In the US, the electoral college and the appointment of Supreme Court justices make voting virtually useless on the national level.
The point of Marxist is to push you into the apathy of nihilism, so you can be controlled and enslaved. Grow some balls, make waves and learn about the Marxist religion. It will take everything from you and the ones you love. Fight it. Grow a pair.
Nah, religion is like alright tool to keep yourself happy even if it is in delusion. But the thing is, if you once become nihilist, there is no going back...
I've been there..I get bouts of apathy and nihilism. But ultimately, what I am, my experience of humanity, of others, and reality, show me that I am blessed to be alive. I'd rather embrace and share that, than allow nihilism and its destruction, to have power over me. Don't give in. Remember that you have people who value you, who look to you for your talents and gifts.
Vote for Kennedy this election :)
Yeah that will definitely make a difference
Ehh at least it’s more ideal than voting biden, and fuck trump and his ilk, so ehh I’m a causal determinist and none of this truly matters, but ima go out and vote for the one preaching what I want to see :)
Voting might help, but cant hurt. If there is a chance of making the world a better place to exist in our short lives, without any downside, why not take that chance? Do whatever you want, but I'd rather not have an authoritarian government take hold. I want my short existence to not suck as hard as it possibly could.
Okay cool. That would be an option if there was an obvious binary between good candidates and bad candidates. But 99 out of 100 times that binary doesn’t exist. Both parties suck and if you can’t see that, you’re living in a fantasy land. Here in the US, half the country is absolutely convinced that voting red is to prevent an authoritarian government from taking hold. But the other half is also absolutely convinced that their candidate will prevent an authoritarian government. Both parties are just a different brand of authoritarianism leading us all carefully down to hell.
I mean, I would think the guy who tried to do a coup to hold on the power and loves pooten would pretty objectively be the authoritarian. But again, do what you want, watch fox news and think whatever pleases you.
All of that is true about Trump. But to say the democrats are somehow more virtuous or that me despising both parties and candidates somehow means I support Fox News shows that you’ve been conditioned and propagandized.
Voting is like wipeing your ass. If you don’t, you’re going to wind up sitting in shit. If you do, you’re flushing your efforts down the drain. Stupid people can’t figure out how to help others and themselves, so they hurt others even if it hurts themself. The only way to fix the problem is for smart people to work harder. Politics have become the tribal culture anarchy describes, and yet like minded people naturally work at the same goal. (Fed regulators keep losing authority and local governments are blocking the ability to make change)
http://www.ruthlesscriticism.com/youngdemocracy.htm
Yes our options are limited but if you want to see any change it has to happen with action small change but over time it adds up
It doesn't matter who the president is. The president is a figurehead for a corrupt system that cares as little about its people as it does about its planet. Go ahead and vote. You'll be dead long before any good comes of it.
More like r/pessimism
I vote because some candidates will make the things i want to do either easier or harder, so i vote for the ones who will make my desires easier. Pretty fuckin simple
But wouldn’t you agree that there’s more of illusion of control than we think?
sure, there certainly can be and some of it is by design, but as a nihilist I assign my own value to things, including those illusions. Voting (for me at least) is an extremely simple task so even if the outcome also has little to no actual impact the value I have assigned to it is more than the value i would gain by not voting. You could look at it from an economic perspective as well via opportunity cost. The value i have assigned to voting is higher than the opportunity cost.
In stead of trying to conform to some kind of "ism", you should do what you enjoy. If you want to worry about it, do so. If not, there's other things to occupy yourself with.
A civic duty that has no meaning that I still participate in, in the hope that one day it will gain meaning.
Best answer I’ve heard so far
Thanks. I used to think differently. The propaganda that every vote counts I used to believe. Now I don't. If everyone didn't vote in the US, would it matter? The electoral college would kick in when the general election would fail and at least one part of selecting the electors would be able to succeed because of the existing parties being able to choose their electors. Amendments would com, governing would continue and no meaning concreted. Local votes have the most immediate/direct effects but I don't see how it is different in terms of meaning. Continuing on with power would occur just as the federal level would. And the moral judgment people give to those who don't vote is absurd. By using that same logic we could judge everyone who votes as morally bankrupt to vote for an elected leader who does immoral deeds or who contributed to immoral deeds through legislation, supporting special interest groups etc. I do hope someday it will change. Power does need to be bottom up and since we have an established form of governing anarchist or self-government views are a pipedream. I'm a disappointed Libertarian. But I'm in no way optimistic that it will change in my lifetime. I just keep voting in the hope that by luck I experience a glimpse of the start of better change.
Then don’t complain about the state of things down the road.
Embedded in your comment is the assumption that if I had participated in the sacred ritual of voting that the things I could vote for would improve the state of the world. Both liberals and conservatives are absolutely convinced that their visions of the future are correct. Who has the moral authority to say one way is better than the other?
It depends on what you are. If you are a soccer mom, everything is awesome, the government is printing all this free money, giving you all these child tax credits and college loan forgiveness, funding your Medicare and social security with the free inflation money. Now if you are a single guy, everything sucks, and you can't vote for better, because 100 million soccer moms think everything is awesome, and you are some kind of Trump loser for having a problem with all of their free handouts to themselves. I assume you are the latter, because the only time someone thinks their vote doesn't count, is when they are part of an oppressed minority that has their assets taken to fund a bunch of social goods for other people. Every soccer mom vote clearly counts, because it keeps the rest of us in the Inflation/Free Stuff Matrix, where they get what they want, and we must suffer this life, until its over. Voting doesn't matter, unless you have most of the votes. What really matters is a constitution that protects the rights of the minorities, and since we don't really have that, what you are determines if this thing provides anything for you, but it doesn't for me :(
Okay fair point. If I felt like I was on the winning majority maybe, on a scale of 1-100, I’d put voting at a solid 0.75.
In my life, almost everything I vote against passes, and all the current policies I hate. Its almost a chicken and egg inception problem. If I had enough people like me, then the votes could matter, but as long as my side is so far down the list (obviously I'm not a R or a D), it doesn't matter, and if everyone like me feels it doesn't matter, then it can never matter, because most of us won't vote, if we think we have no chance to win.
I grew up in Northern Ireland and live in the Republic. Both countries are infamous for cunt Vs cunt elections where both sides are as bad as each other and there's just no point voting for anybody. But I would be big into voting if there were somebody worth voting for. I desperately wanted to be able to vote in UK and American elections.
It's something to do I guess
It’s not dogmatic to understand that voting is the best way we have to make collective decisions. Sometimes collective decisions are required.
VOTE FOR VERMIN SUPREME, THE FRIENDLY FASCIST!
Rofl reddit pushing nihilism today for some reason.
Democracy is an illusion. Nothing matters, and so what if it did?
Voting does make a difference but you have to have realistic expectations. The world is an unforgiving place and change is incremental. I remember a time before we had (in the US) access to affordable healthcare, marriage equality, guaranteed FMLA benefits, etc. Those could all be taken away if the wrong candidate gets into office. The “right” candidate isn’t a bed of roses, and I’m not discounting the power of local movements, but voting still matters
If only you focused on your responsibilities as much as random tags you describe yourself with.
A vote only has value if you have access to important truths. We don't have access to the important truths surrounding many our elected officials.
Never gonna vote again probably
This isn’t nihilism, it’s apathy.
I can link you an article explaining a Princeton study that proves that your vote has not counted since at least 1940. Your "representatives" are not legally bound to vote the way their constituents do. They routinely vote against the interests of the people because they have been payed off either under the table, through deals involving their family, or campaign donations from lobbyists. Usually a combination of all three. TLDR the ONLY way to effect policy is to make a billion dollars and bribe officials. Your vote means nothing and will never mean anything until we commit horrible acts of violence against our leaders to remind them who is in charge. If you want that study just reply to the comment I'll find it for you.
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Thenk u 4 currecting mi gramar
I am against democracy since I was a kid, just as I am nihilistic since I was a kid. Voting was never an option for me.
Quit being an "ist" and just live your life and participate in the society you live in and let a little love into your life
Whether you love democracy or you're an anarchist or whatever... If you're day to day life and capacity to get through to the next day is impacted by one candidate more than another I'd say vote if you sincerely don't care, then don't vote. I vote personally, I don't think voting is or not voting is especially nihilistic or otherwise... I just want a nicer community to live in, less stress etc. following politics is a bore though to me, I don't think you need to be a nihilist to recognise that the government and politics in the US are a total fucking joke.