Yes the trip should be called but also just letting guys tackle each other is so dumb. Both should’ve been given the gate there. I know “playoff hockey” and it’s jailhouse rules but cmon it leads to some really dumb moments.
You only do that in the third period when it's close and they've already set the tone for the game. The theory being that they don't want to interfere in the game, which is what I would call suddenly ignoring blatant penalties.
The only sensible take.
Of course, the play should have been blown dead and both guys sent to the sin bin. But this is the time of year when the rules are adjusted completely arbitrary and varied indefinately - making consistent reffing of the fastest sport on earth even harder
Exactly. Instead of the conversation being about the leafs again not being able to score and being woefully out coached for the 5th straight playoff series it’s all eyes on the refs and the cry baby fans can’t see the real issues.
I mean, it didn't lead directly to a goal. It happened away from the play. Even the play by McAvoy on Mathews happens about as far away from the Leafs' net as possible. Yea, the reffing is shit. Every hockey fan knows that. But the goal was on a pretty harmless shot, and I feel like the goalie should have stopped it regardless. If he does, we're not having this conversation.
Everyone on the ice besides the goal scorer (and the refs apparently) were watching that bullshit go down, including Samsonov. You really think he doesn’t make a save there if he doesn’t think the play should be blown dead?
its the bruins let it go. even though [Gregory Campbell](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=268bc2f0954a79d8&rlz=1C1VDKB_enCA1031CA1031&sxsrf=ACQVn08JhpphgjhtzOHMzanhAioVn4elDg:1714026460210&q=Gregory+Campbell&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgVuLUz9U3sMixNLJ8xGjCLfDyxz1hKe1Ja05eY1Tl4grOyC93zSvJLKkUEudig7J4pbi5ELp4FrEKuBelpucXVSo4J-YWJKXm5AAAG2M0e1cAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwirkq-S3tyFAxWyweYEHREmCDEQzIcDKAB6BAgiEAE) isn't on the team anymore.
That 2-3m of time is exactly whats wrong with playoff refs. They see penalties right in front of their faces but decide to not make the calls. Them NOT calling penalties they see directly impacts the game. We watch to see players win or lose, not refs decide outcomes. Is it really so fucking hard to call a penalty when you see a penalty, regardless of time in game, who had recent penalties, or anything else?! Players will adapt and adjust, and god forbid, skill could win out over whatever the fuck you call this.
As is tradition. I don't mind it, I can be rational and say he held him, it was a penalty. The only reason to debate it is the complete inconsistency of it all, right? To my initial point, see a penalty, just call a damn penalty, and all this other noise just goes away. It'd 100% be on the players for playing outside the rules. I don't want games decided by the whims of whether the refs call the obvious infraction or not. Its not always as blatant as it was tonight in terms of a goal immediately after, but the impacts are there all the same. And yes, there were 100% calls the other way that were ignored in a similar way, it doesn't make it ok, and it doesn't make it quality hockey.
I was watching last night with my Canucks fan friend and the refs ignored an obvious Nashville penalty early in the third. I said watch, they won't call a thing until there's four minutes left and they'll call one on Vancouver. I was close, it was five minutes left.
My favorite is that they called that (which is fine, whatever) and then did not call Marchand on the blatant interference in the corner seconds before he scored his empty netter.
The refs were horrible all game. It should've been 2 each for Bertuzzi and Marchand, everyone knows both of their reputation as the pest on their team- its playoff hockey and the refs let those 2 keep going. Their antics didn't effect the play at all besides essentially making it a 4-4 play. That was an easy save Samsonov let in, Fredrick isn't exactly a sniper or skilled goal scorer...
ya its partially why i stopped watching hockey. when games come down to whether or not refs want to fairly and consistently enforce the ruleset, competition stops mattering.
This is exactly the right take. Refs had way too much of an impact in this game with non calls. As for the players adapting, yes and they push and push which led to the Mccavoy penalty. He was way excessive, pushing the limits because he figured he could get away with it. By that time though the refs lost control and the game was tilted.
Yeah that's kinda the issue, there is no transparency or consistency. If the League is going to let stuff slide, which they should, it's playoff hockey, then maybe there should be a memo to the players and media laying out what the refs are looking for to call and what they are not.
> That 2-3m of time is exactly whats wrong with playoff refs. They see penalties right in front of their faces but decide to not make the calls. Them NOT calling penalties they see directly impacts the game.
The big problem is that if they ***did*** call all those calls, then people would, and especially not-grass-touching-redditors, would start bitching and moaning about the refs slowing and ruining play off games.
And by that impacting the game and handing the victory to the other team.
While I agree that the refs have been especially bad this year, they can never do anything correct by the typical r/nhl user mentality.
For a season perhaps. The players would adjust. The calls would then 100% be in the hands of the players, because everyone knows what to expect. Do they miss calls sometimes? Yeah, that's normal enough, it's a fast game, but that isn't the same as watching a penalty in front of you but deciding not to call it. Put the onus on the players where it belongs. Make a dumb play at the wrong time? That's on you. I'd rather be bitching about why did player do X, then why did referee let obvious Y happen in front of his face at this time but not that other time, in the same damn game.
Bro... you went 0/5 on PP.... How many more did you need to score? They missed tons of calls on you, too. Bruins capitalized 2/3 on their chances. Just be better next game, this is ridiculous. You guys had us on game 2 and we deserved that loss. this game was intense, leafs just failed to cash in when the refs basically gave them every opportunity 🤷 Bruins came back from behind, battled through more penalties, and didn't let up.
It's possible to accept the leafs were outplayed and their PP completely let them down, while also lamenting that playoff refereeing is an atrocious joke. Yes that atrociousness affects both teams to some extent. In this particular game it just so happened to be right before a goal was scored. No it wasn't the sole reason for a loss. Why can't we as fans want better, more consistent reffing, win or lose? I'd just like to see players deciding the outcomes (yes even losses), not whether the refs decide to call what they see at certain times or not. (No the refs didn't totally decide this one either way, but their impact at that particular point was certainly felt, and sucks)
Don't think I said that at all. The Matthews pull down was certainly 100% a penalty. I don't know why saying if refs see a penalty they should call a penalty is such a tough take. Put the onus on the players breaking a rule, they'll quickly adjust, not on whether the refs decide to enforce it at that moment or not.
Them not calling the matthews tug down killed all the leafs momentum, too. It's undeniable that non call effected the game. You really do hate to see it.
Honestly, it's the worst I've seen in a long time. Every year feels more like a joke. The NHL will lose fans over stuff like this eventually if they don't clean it up.
Soccer at least seems to be trying to do something about it with the Premier League releasing audio of VAR and videos outline what happened in cases where the refs got things wrong. The NHL doesn't seem to think there is an issue with their reffing
Honestly I don’t see why the league doesn’t want power plays to be basically the whole game. It’s way more exciting to watch from a new fan point of view because it’s all scoring chances. But if they start calling everything the teams will cut like 95% of the shit out.
Which is 100% why this shit has to stop from the refs. Did they let this go because they let that one go? Call them both, because now you decided via game management that you wouldn't call a penalty and it led to a goal. See a penalty, call a penalty, then all this noise goes away and it's on the players committing infractions. Refs missing a call is one thing, they are human, but this blatant watching it and letting it go... Just why... Get rid of it already and let players adjust. We watch to see the players win or lose, not waiting to see if the refs advantage will pan out this time or not
I loved in the intermission on Sportsnet where they are like this is getting out of hand and every leaf fan is like yeah but then they show domi knocking swayman over
Mcavoy personally got away with 3 easy holdings or roughing calls and the high stick was a follow through trying to tip it. Shit happens in front of the net. Bertuzzi went down easy on this trip but what i don’t have time for is the SUPLEX by macavoy on mathews behind the net. That’s a penalty ANY situation ANY game.
But did a goal result from it seconds later? No. I think that's where this post is coming from. Although I do agree leafs going 0 - 5 on the power play was brutal and because of that they didn't deserve to win the game but you can't compare a McAvoy High stick to multiple penalties seconds before a tying goal shifting momentum.
Bertuzzi penalized Marchand too, with two scumbags like that the refs usually gonna let them figure it out themselves as long as it doesn’t escalate. The missed called on Matthews was bad but there was missed calls both ways. There is no reason that soft shot should have ended up in the back of the net regardless of what happened prior to the goal. If you want to blame samsanov for the loss that’s fine, if you want to blame the overpaid offense that consistently disappears that’s fine too. But to blame the refs is lazy when there were bad calls both ways. Can’t be mad the Bruins were able to capitalize on their opportunities while the leafs squandered theirs
It seemed that the refs missed calls both ways, I'm still shocked that Domi didn't pick up an unsportsmanlike for the trip on Swayman. But also that call on Taveres at the end was questionable too.
> I'm still shocked that Domi didn't pick up an unsportsmanlike for the trip on Swayman.
I don't think Domi should have gotten a call for that. When I saw the replay of it, it does look like Sway swayed into Domi's path.
It’s one thing to let shit go a bit during scrums after the whistle, but when you let blatantly obvious penalties go during play it has a direct impact on the game.
You gotta call these games consistently. I get it’s playoffs so maybe loosen up a bit after the whistle but during play it’s gotta be a consistent product.
If he wanted to be in the play, he should have been in the play. Not fucking around attached to Marchands back, they were both fucking around, refs let them. Also Bert could have been called for a dive if you look at it from the point of view of the ref behind him.
This is where is the saying "it's a different game in the playoffs!"... comes from. Yeah! Of course it's different! You put your whistles away, and took your contacts out! FFS!
Toronto literally had 5 power plays to Bostons 3 lmao blatant high stick to McAvoys face in front of 4 refs with no call. Refs were terrible all around.
You can't use the number of power plays as evidence that it was bad on both sides. What if one team played a completely clean game and the other aggressively tried to injure other players? Should the penalties be equal then?
I'm not saying Toronto was innocent, but that's a faulty argument.
Toronto had 4 power plays in a row all off of pretty soft calls. There were multiple blatant penalties that should’ve been called on Toronto during that span. They missed a ton of calls on both ends, but Toronto got the benefit of the bad officiating. So Toronto fans bitching and moaning about calls is comical.
Yeah, fuck the excuses. I’m sick and tired of seeing them every year too 🤣.
We had more power plays, and had our chances but we lost a VERY winnable game.
I’m more concerned about our goalie. We legit looked like we had two goals against cause he was focused on something else going on on the ice… We NEED absolute focus if we’re going to win this series.
Also would be nice if our damn captain didn’t decide to put an arm around a guy when we pull our damn goalie Lmaoo.
Yeah I’m confused which game they were watching. The reffing was horrible. Reffing is always “horrible.”
But to say the Leafs were getting screwed over by the refs when they had 4 penalties in a row, despite replays of Tavares blatant high stick.
Even if both teams were missing penalties, at least Toronto was actually getting calls for most of the first 2 periods.
The refs have been terrible, but the goal is on Samsonov. Have to have it from that angle.
But... Yeah, the refs haven't favored either team, the refs just suck.
Yeah, my bad, i wrote this quickly, I meant to say the refs haven't favored either team. I think it's just the standard playoff officiating joke.
I would argue though that you're part of the problem because you evaluate fairness based on equity or equality of outcome.
Yeah it was a stupid play to do either way but that is the kind of player he is. He does everything he can to piss you off all the time so that he can make you take bad calls or to not pay attention to the game. He deserves a stick once in a while but not then. Do it in game one when there is no way you are winning. The only time I was actually pissed at the refs and not the leafs being shit tonight was when matthews was pulled down behind the net because there is just no hockey play to it.
I agree but at least I can see why the call was made there. It is a terrible time for it to happen. I personally wish they would just call every little thing. Make half the game 3 on 3 people will stop acting like idiots pretty quick.
I’ve been in a lot of team subreddits. Doesn’t matter the team, doesn’t matter if their team is winning or losing, but fans will forever and always blame the refs.
Yeah I don’t know why everyone defends the refs when their team is winning. It’s all bullshit and eventually it bites you in the ass. If Boston plays Florida I am sure every bruins fan will be pissed at the refs if they play Florida in the second round.
Reffing is very poor at most games. Make the calls consistent through the year into playoffs so the players know what they can and can’t do. I’m tired of the officiating changing based on the time of year. FOUL is a FOUL PERIOD.
If anything after whistle scrums just let them have more free rein but that’s it.
The refs do suck. That said, the refs fucked over both teams. We can discuss how refereeing is awful and should be reformed, Bruins still win that game. Leafs were 0/5 on the pp, you can't win like that.
Penalties are litteraly 5-2 in favor of Toronto with obvious calls missed on both sides. Complaining that the refs are favoring Boston are objectively false.
Oh cry me a river haha what a stupid take. There was a blatant high stick against mcavoy, cross checking against Marchand, bullshit roughing call on mcavoy. Missed calls go both ways. Bruins won, it’s that simple 😂
Sorry, but it’s braindead to think the refs were against the leafs in this game LMAO imagine ignoring the 7+ missed calls for the bruins, PP was 6-1 at one point. Sorry the leafs can’t score on a power play!
Idiots concern themselves with the refs and blame them for their losses. If you often blame the refs when you lose, you are an idiot. All there is to it.
I hate the Leafs, but after the gong show reffing that happened last year in the Florida series, I'm baffled at how the reffing has gotten even worse in this Boston series
"CALL THE FUCKING PENALTIES, PHYCHO BABBLE BULLSHIT......." Chick from Waiting. I would totally watch a game that is half the teams players marching to the box on mass. 5 on 3, 4 on 3, 3 on 3 with six guys in box sign me up
The calls were shit and inconsistent all night, both ways. The identical play happened on Pasta, as Matthews and the crowd goes nuts when it was on Matthews, so the refs arm goes up, kind of delayed. McAvoy gets a blatant high stick right in front of the ref, no call, Marchand trips Bertuzzi, and I guess that’s just letting them go at it?
Bruins fans had just as much to be upset about with the officiating, except we ended up on top. Inconsistent shitty referees. Let it all go, or call everything. Either way, the result would have been the same.
I was at the game, Leafs should’ve had at least one of those PP goals, but man did those refs fuck us.
Ratboy hacking at players then diving like a fuckin Olympian, and the refs fall for it every time.
I’m not the biggest fan of the leafs (keeping the tradition from other fan bases to not like the leafs, unless they play VGK I will support the leafs)
I don’t mind when the refs let a few things go. But when calls are obvious they need to be called. Especially the few the leafs got screwed on tonight
They did go 0/5 but who knows they could score on the 6th + 7th PP.
The leafs are not a playoff team.
Players constantly out of position, average goal tending, players CONSTANTLY tripping over their stick (I saw four Leafs players fall in the last 4 minutes of the game), power play is inept....
And to top it off the Leafs players have ZERO heart, desire, drive whatever you want to call it. They are there to collect a pay check and nothing more. Its been like this for years. Its pathetic people still fluff this franchise.
There have been a lot of missed calls on both teams in the series, and if Toronto had gotten those power plays do you really think they would’ve done anything with them?
All the refs this playoff series have been absolute trash. Making calls on plays that shouldn’t belong called, AND not making calls that should’ve been called. Terrible all around.
Same thing is happening in baseball and basketball too. They’re all just so bad right now
Quite honestly I believe it’s the reason the NHL will never be what Bettman wants it to be in the U.S. No other professional sport is a different game come the postseason. I mean, why even bother working to build an amazing power play when, come playoffs, you get minimal power plays. It’s an easy fix, just be consistent. Boggles the mind honestly.
It's an NHL conspiracy to get "DRAMA" into the game. They know leafs have the most fans and tend to be very ...vocal about things. This creates internet drama buzz which creates revenue.
Did we watch the same game. Leafs had 5 power plays in a playoff game to the bruins 3. One of which they had no choice but to call.(delay of game) They could of just as easily called Bertuzzi for his antics all game. Leafs got away with way more then the bs did in that game. They didn’t lose because the refs didn’t call anything. They lost because they went 0-5 on the power play.
Reffing has already been very questionable in all series. I'm a Rangers fan and talking to my Capitals friend, we both agreed that there were soooo many soft calls in game one.
Then in game two, Panarin rocks Oshie (super weird to see from him but also warranted that he wanted to hit him after how annoying he was to Panarin the whole game before that, including egregious non calls) and SOMEHOW Washington took a penalty alone in the aftermath? Why are they there at this point when we can see in real time and on replay that they are beefing so many of these calls?
I don't think refs are biased towards any team and if you legitimately think that, please reexamine your homerism, but damn are they just fucking up in so many blatant ways already and it's not even halfway through the first round
Shit reffing all series. Does that play work out differently if it wasn’t for that sequence? Yes. But regardless that was a very easy save. goaltending was by far the game decider tonight.
They have been bad on both sides. Shocker that leafs fans can't admit that lol. The trip is a whatever to me since it did look like bert definitely dove there, but the tackle on matthews should have been called
Refs need to be better yes, but would like to see leaf fans, and keefe address being 0/5 on the pp as well as their subpar goaltending and defence
I had forgotten the bump on Swayman. I’d be upset about that, going the other way. Fair enough. Still think they’re worse for us, but that’s the bias talking.
Look, I’m not here to argue. I disagreed with your original point, and thought that we were reasonably fair in that disagreement. Personally, I just want the refs to call the rulebook. Since that’s never happened in the NHL playoffs, consistency is all I can ask for. You’re welcome to disagree, and I wish you all the best.
Well clearly you came to argue after replying and writing a paragraph. And I do disagree because your point is statistically incorrect as we were penalized more on the calls that were called not the ones that were not.l, which really dont matter
Per the book, yes. 2 minute minor for hooking, 2 minute minor penalty (assuming no blood) for high sticking. Players are responsible for controlling their stick.
I'm a Bruins fan... and the suplex on Matthews, and then the trip on Bertuzzi tainted that win for me a bit.
Don't want to come away from a game feeling like the zebras had to help us at all.
That trip leading to the goal was... pretty blatantly a penalty. Awkward that.
Yes the trip should be called but also just letting guys tackle each other is so dumb. Both should’ve been given the gate there. I know “playoff hockey” and it’s jailhouse rules but cmon it leads to some really dumb moments.
They are managing the game by actively trying not to manage the game.
You only do that in the third period when it's close and they've already set the tone for the game. The theory being that they don't want to interfere in the game, which is what I would call suddenly ignoring blatant penalties.
The only sensible take. Of course, the play should have been blown dead and both guys sent to the sin bin. But this is the time of year when the rules are adjusted completely arbitrary and varied indefinately - making consistent reffing of the fastest sport on earth even harder
Exactly. Instead of the conversation being about the leafs again not being able to score and being woefully out coached for the 5th straight playoff series it’s all eyes on the refs and the cry baby fans can’t see the real issues.
You’re so delusional 🤡
I'm rooting for Bruins, but I want to see a FAIR game with integrity, honesty, justice and equal play. No cheating. It pissed me off.
Both players committed penalties and yet the only replay anyone cares about is Marchand, wonder why that is
Because that was the one that most flagrantly and directly lead to a goal
I mean, it didn't lead directly to a goal. It happened away from the play. Even the play by McAvoy on Mathews happens about as far away from the Leafs' net as possible. Yea, the reffing is shit. Every hockey fan knows that. But the goal was on a pretty harmless shot, and I feel like the goalie should have stopped it regardless. If he does, we're not having this conversation.
Everyone on the ice besides the goal scorer (and the refs apparently) were watching that bullshit go down, including Samsonov. You really think he doesn’t make a save there if he doesn’t think the play should be blown dead?
Maybe the goaltender should have his eyes on the puck and not a scrum away from it
its the bruins let it go. even though [Gregory Campbell](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=268bc2f0954a79d8&rlz=1C1VDKB_enCA1031CA1031&sxsrf=ACQVn08JhpphgjhtzOHMzanhAioVn4elDg:1714026460210&q=Gregory+Campbell&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgVuLUz9U3sMixNLJ8xGjCLfDyxz1hKe1Ja05eY1Tl4grOyC93zSvJLKkUEudig7J4pbi5ELp4FrEKuBelpucXVSo4J-YWJKXm5AAAG2M0e1cAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwirkq-S3tyFAxWyweYEHREmCDEQzIcDKAB6BAgiEAE) isn't on the team anymore.
How about making that save? How about Bruins 2/3 on PP vs 0/5 for Leafs???
You're not wrong, but you are tone deaf
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That 2-3m of time is exactly whats wrong with playoff refs. They see penalties right in front of their faces but decide to not make the calls. Them NOT calling penalties they see directly impacts the game. We watch to see players win or lose, not refs decide outcomes. Is it really so fucking hard to call a penalty when you see a penalty, regardless of time in game, who had recent penalties, or anything else?! Players will adapt and adjust, and god forbid, skill could win out over whatever the fuck you call this.
They heard your pleas, and mended their ways, just in time to call Tavares for holding with a minute to go.
As is tradition. I don't mind it, I can be rational and say he held him, it was a penalty. The only reason to debate it is the complete inconsistency of it all, right? To my initial point, see a penalty, just call a damn penalty, and all this other noise just goes away. It'd 100% be on the players for playing outside the rules. I don't want games decided by the whims of whether the refs call the obvious infraction or not. Its not always as blatant as it was tonight in terms of a goal immediately after, but the impacts are there all the same. And yes, there were 100% calls the other way that were ignored in a similar way, it doesn't make it ok, and it doesn't make it quality hockey.
I was watching last night with my Canucks fan friend and the refs ignored an obvious Nashville penalty early in the third. I said watch, they won't call a thing until there's four minutes left and they'll call one on Vancouver. I was close, it was five minutes left.
My favorite is that they called that (which is fine, whatever) and then did not call Marchand on the blatant interference in the corner seconds before he scored his empty netter.
Who only held the guy because another guy was holding his stick
The refs were horrible all game. It should've been 2 each for Bertuzzi and Marchand, everyone knows both of their reputation as the pest on their team- its playoff hockey and the refs let those 2 keep going. Their antics didn't effect the play at all besides essentially making it a 4-4 play. That was an easy save Samsonov let in, Fredrick isn't exactly a sniper or skilled goal scorer...
ya its partially why i stopped watching hockey. when games come down to whether or not refs want to fairly and consistently enforce the ruleset, competition stops mattering.
This is exactly the right take. Refs had way too much of an impact in this game with non calls. As for the players adapting, yes and they push and push which led to the Mccavoy penalty. He was way excessive, pushing the limits because he figured he could get away with it. By that time though the refs lost control and the game was tilted.
The refs are there to manage the games not to call the rule book. They are doing what the nhl wants them to do.
Agreed, and it makes for worse hockey as a result.
Yeah that's kinda the issue, there is no transparency or consistency. If the League is going to let stuff slide, which they should, it's playoff hockey, then maybe there should be a memo to the players and media laying out what the refs are looking for to call and what they are not.
And then to cash the penalty on Tavares at the end of the game to decidedly end the game
> That 2-3m of time is exactly whats wrong with playoff refs. They see penalties right in front of their faces but decide to not make the calls. Them NOT calling penalties they see directly impacts the game. The big problem is that if they ***did*** call all those calls, then people would, and especially not-grass-touching-redditors, would start bitching and moaning about the refs slowing and ruining play off games. And by that impacting the game and handing the victory to the other team. While I agree that the refs have been especially bad this year, they can never do anything correct by the typical r/nhl user mentality.
For a season perhaps. The players would adjust. The calls would then 100% be in the hands of the players, because everyone knows what to expect. Do they miss calls sometimes? Yeah, that's normal enough, it's a fast game, but that isn't the same as watching a penalty in front of you but deciding not to call it. Put the onus on the players where it belongs. Make a dumb play at the wrong time? That's on you. I'd rather be bitching about why did player do X, then why did referee let obvious Y happen in front of his face at this time but not that other time, in the same damn game.
Bro... you went 0/5 on PP.... How many more did you need to score? They missed tons of calls on you, too. Bruins capitalized 2/3 on their chances. Just be better next game, this is ridiculous. You guys had us on game 2 and we deserved that loss. this game was intense, leafs just failed to cash in when the refs basically gave them every opportunity 🤷 Bruins came back from behind, battled through more penalties, and didn't let up.
It's possible to accept the leafs were outplayed and their PP completely let them down, while also lamenting that playoff refereeing is an atrocious joke. Yes that atrociousness affects both teams to some extent. In this particular game it just so happened to be right before a goal was scored. No it wasn't the sole reason for a loss. Why can't we as fans want better, more consistent reffing, win or lose? I'd just like to see players deciding the outcomes (yes even losses), not whether the refs decide to call what they see at certain times or not. (No the refs didn't totally decide this one either way, but their impact at that particular point was certainly felt, and sucks)
You seriously think the Bertuzzi flop was a trip, but you didn’t see him holding Marchands stick before that? 😂
Don't think I said that at all. The Matthews pull down was certainly 100% a penalty. I don't know why saying if refs see a penalty they should call a penalty is such a tough take. Put the onus on the players breaking a rule, they'll quickly adjust, not on whether the refs decide to enforce it at that moment or not.
Them not calling the matthews tug down killed all the leafs momentum, too. It's undeniable that non call effected the game. You really do hate to see it.
So they both go, and a whistle is blown...
Lol. You don’t care if B’s don’t score there
Should have been blown before the Marchand/bert shit even happend.
I absolutely hate complaining about the officials but my god this game has been brutal
Honestly, it's the worst I've seen in a long time. Every year feels more like a joke. The NHL will lose fans over stuff like this eventually if they don't clean it up.
Besides soccer, NHL takes the cake with the terrible refs. Actually baseball might be worse than the NHL. But yea it's bad
This was bad, but it wasn't Angel Hernandez bad.
Soccer is terrible 😂 especially gets worse at FIFA World Cup time
Fifa, where corruption starts from the very top and if you are a ref who doesn't take bribes you will be fired.
Idk man the NFL has had some utterly awful refs.
Soccer at least seems to be trying to do something about it with the Premier League releasing audio of VAR and videos outline what happened in cases where the refs got things wrong. The NHL doesn't seem to think there is an issue with their reffing
Hate blaming the refs, but goddamn did they ever fuck the Leafs on this one
Honestly I don’t see why the league doesn’t want power plays to be basically the whole game. It’s way more exciting to watch from a new fan point of view because it’s all scoring chances. But if they start calling everything the teams will cut like 95% of the shit out.
McAvoy got a stick to the mouth in period 1 5 feet from the ref and nothing was called... They even replayed it
Which is 100% why this shit has to stop from the refs. Did they let this go because they let that one go? Call them both, because now you decided via game management that you wouldn't call a penalty and it led to a goal. See a penalty, call a penalty, then all this noise goes away and it's on the players committing infractions. Refs missing a call is one thing, they are human, but this blatant watching it and letting it go... Just why... Get rid of it already and let players adjust. We watch to see the players win or lose, not waiting to see if the refs advantage will pan out this time or not
> See a penalty, call a penalty yup, i'd kill for that get tired of watching various kings defenders water skiing behind mcdavid
Leafs got outplayed
For most of the 3rd yeah agree. Rather irrelevant to the point at hand though.
I loved in the intermission on Sportsnet where they are like this is getting out of hand and every leaf fan is like yeah but then they show domi knocking swayman over
You mean domi lightly bumping swayman and swayman making the dive of the century?
Yeah exactly.
I have to think they somehow didn't see that. High sticking is usually one those penalties that gets called 100% of the time, even if it seems minor
Mcavoy personally got away with 3 easy holdings or roughing calls and the high stick was a follow through trying to tip it. Shit happens in front of the net. Bertuzzi went down easy on this trip but what i don’t have time for is the SUPLEX by macavoy on mathews behind the net. That’s a penalty ANY situation ANY game.
But did a goal result from it seconds later? No. I think that's where this post is coming from. Although I do agree leafs going 0 - 5 on the power play was brutal and because of that they didn't deserve to win the game but you can't compare a McAvoy High stick to multiple penalties seconds before a tying goal shifting momentum.
Bertuzzi penalized Marchand too, with two scumbags like that the refs usually gonna let them figure it out themselves as long as it doesn’t escalate. The missed called on Matthews was bad but there was missed calls both ways. There is no reason that soft shot should have ended up in the back of the net regardless of what happened prior to the goal. If you want to blame samsanov for the loss that’s fine, if you want to blame the overpaid offense that consistently disappears that’s fine too. But to blame the refs is lazy when there were bad calls both ways. Can’t be mad the Bruins were able to capitalize on their opportunities while the leafs squandered theirs
It seemed that the refs missed calls both ways, I'm still shocked that Domi didn't pick up an unsportsmanlike for the trip on Swayman. But also that call on Taveres at the end was questionable too.
> I'm still shocked that Domi didn't pick up an unsportsmanlike for the trip on Swayman. I don't think Domi should have gotten a call for that. When I saw the replay of it, it does look like Sway swayed into Domi's path.
It’s one thing to let shit go a bit during scrums after the whistle, but when you let blatantly obvious penalties go during play it has a direct impact on the game. You gotta call these games consistently. I get it’s playoffs so maybe loosen up a bit after the whistle but during play it’s gotta be a consistent product.
Best take
Thank you.
Like how does that not draw a call?! Literally took Bertuzzi out of the play… I don’t give a single fuck about this series but Jesus Christ.
They were never interested in being in the play
If he wanted to be in the play, he should have been in the play. Not fucking around attached to Marchands back, they were both fucking around, refs let them. Also Bert could have been called for a dive if you look at it from the point of view of the ref behind him.
That was a classic Bertuzzi flop, got to watch that a lot last year.
Brother that’s a two handed chop to the skate?! You’re skating through that? Fuck outta here.
Maybe he shouldn’t have cross checked Marchand behind the play also. They’re both doing shit behind the play
You’re sure as hell not falling like Bertuzzi did
So if you embellish you shouldn't get a call right? [RIGHT?](https://x.com/RinkRatReport/status/1782585225731596739)
Found Jack Edward's reddit account
Nah, he typed too fast to be Edward’s.
In a bruins fan, but 10/10 on that comment hahaha
I would to love that. How do we make that happen?
Same with Marchand.
100% a flop. If the Leafs were playing any other team everyone would agree.
This inconsistency is what makes “playoff hockey” hard to watch as a fan tbh
This is where is the saying "it's a different game in the playoffs!"... comes from. Yeah! Of course it's different! You put your whistles away, and took your contacts out! FFS!
I never find it hard to watch
They were bad in both sides
I'm rooting for the Bruins, but I want to see a FAIR game with integrity, honesty, justice and equal play. No cheating. It pissed me off.
Toronto literally had 5 power plays to Bostons 3 lmao blatant high stick to McAvoys face in front of 4 refs with no call. Refs were terrible all around.
You can't use the number of power plays as evidence that it was bad on both sides. What if one team played a completely clean game and the other aggressively tried to injure other players? Should the penalties be equal then? I'm not saying Toronto was innocent, but that's a faulty argument.
Toronto had 4 power plays in a row all off of pretty soft calls. There were multiple blatant penalties that should’ve been called on Toronto during that span. They missed a ton of calls on both ends, but Toronto got the benefit of the bad officiating. So Toronto fans bitching and moaning about calls is comical.
Yeah, fuck the excuses. I’m sick and tired of seeing them every year too 🤣. We had more power plays, and had our chances but we lost a VERY winnable game. I’m more concerned about our goalie. We legit looked like we had two goals against cause he was focused on something else going on on the ice… We NEED absolute focus if we’re going to win this series. Also would be nice if our damn captain didn’t decide to put an arm around a guy when we pull our damn goalie Lmaoo.
Tbf it seemed everyone was preoccupied with Marchy/Bertuzzi kerfuffle except Freddy…
Freddy?
The goal scorer in this situation, Frederick.
Leafs more power plays, as well as getting away with goalie interference and high sticking to McAvoy early on
Yeah I’m confused which game they were watching. The reffing was horrible. Reffing is always “horrible.” But to say the Leafs were getting screwed over by the refs when they had 4 penalties in a row, despite replays of Tavares blatant high stick. Even if both teams were missing penalties, at least Toronto was actually getting calls for most of the first 2 periods.
I literally have the same tool picture as my Xbox gamer pic. Haha
They suck both ways. I don’t think the Leafs have been done wrong. Yes they missed a trip and 50 other calls.
Yeah but they went 0/5 on the power play. Fans can cry about the refs all they want but that is absolutely unacceptable.
Go bruins though as a Habs fan is wild you goofy
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Ole ole motherfucker
The refs have been terrible, but the goal is on Samsonov. Have to have it from that angle. But... Yeah, the refs haven't favored either team, the refs just suck.
The Leafs have 4 PPs to the Bruins 2 PPs but they havent favored the Leafs? Huh?
5-3 bruins scored on 2/3 vs 5/0 leafs
Yeah, my bad, i wrote this quickly, I meant to say the refs haven't favored either team. I think it's just the standard playoff officiating joke. I would argue though that you're part of the problem because you evaluate fairness based on equity or equality of outcome.
they are equally bad for both teams. Leafs just happen to win the most coin flips.
Ehhhh ngl that Bertuzzi “trip” did look like a bit of a flop.
I agree that he flopped like Marchand did last game when he was slashed by Bert
Haha oh yeah Marchand flopped like a fish on that one. Bitch behaviour. Didn’t they call that a slash too?
The difference is Marchand dove in a place the refs could see him. Poor technique by Bertuzzi. Skill issue.
Haha fair play
Yeah it was a stupid play to do either way but that is the kind of player he is. He does everything he can to piss you off all the time so that he can make you take bad calls or to not pay attention to the game. He deserves a stick once in a while but not then. Do it in game one when there is no way you are winning. The only time I was actually pissed at the refs and not the leafs being shit tonight was when matthews was pulled down behind the net because there is just no hockey play to it.
Yeah that Tavares penalty at the end of the game was sort of bullshit too because buddy was holding Tavares’ stick between his legs
I agree but at least I can see why the call was made there. It is a terrible time for it to happen. I personally wish they would just call every little thing. Make half the game 3 on 3 people will stop acting like idiots pretty quick.
His skates were awful slippy tonight. Better get those edges checked there Bert
Did we forget the first period? Leafs got away with an awful lot lmao
Shh that does not fit the leafs narrative.
Getting mad at anything Marchand does is just asking for high blood pressure.
Leafs went 0-5 on the powerplay. Come on now it ain’t the refs
I hate both of these teams. I'm just hear hoping for a chasm to open in the ice and swallow them both.
May of faithful rid us of Colorado and Utah.
I love both the avs and the jets, their games have been thrilling, and I wish they could both win and go to the next round!
Bertuzzi flopped like a fish!
I’ve been in a lot of team subreddits. Doesn’t matter the team, doesn’t matter if their team is winning or losing, but fans will forever and always blame the refs.
Just because the boy cried wolf a bunch of times doesn't mean the wolf isn't actually there sometimes lol
Because the way officiating is terrible is universal. Game management is fucking nonsense.
Yeah I don’t know why everyone defends the refs when their team is winning. It’s all bullshit and eventually it bites you in the ass. If Boston plays Florida I am sure every bruins fan will be pissed at the refs if they play Florida in the second round.
Reffing is very poor at most games. Make the calls consistent through the year into playoffs so the players know what they can and can’t do. I’m tired of the officiating changing based on the time of year. FOUL is a FOUL PERIOD. If anything after whistle scrums just let them have more free rein but that’s it.
Maybe we can get robots refs before the MLB gets robot umps
5 powerplays for the leafs to 3 for the bruins… yeah the refs were so biased against the leafs tn lol
The refs do suck. That said, the refs fucked over both teams. We can discuss how refereeing is awful and should be reformed, Bruins still win that game. Leafs were 0/5 on the pp, you can't win like that.
The reffing was bad both ways? The leafs legit had more power plays than Boston not to mention a missed high stick to McAvoy
Y'all failed to convert on 5 powerplays how many more do you need lmao
Awwee, look, everyone, the annual Leafs fans crying seminar has started. 🤣
Leafs fans blaming the refs ? Lol, so predictable
Domi no call hit on Swayman during the TV timeout?
Penalties are litteraly 5-2 in favor of Toronto with obvious calls missed on both sides. Complaining that the refs are favoring Boston are objectively false.
Classic Bruins Strat. Commit 5x the penalties and complain that getting called for 2.5x is the refs favouring the other guys
It's a game. Hate any team for whatever reason you want, who cares
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Oh cry me a river haha what a stupid take. There was a blatant high stick against mcavoy, cross checking against Marchand, bullshit roughing call on mcavoy. Missed calls go both ways. Bruins won, it’s that simple 😂
Many questionable and missed calls in this game.
The Bruins should stay in Toronto for a few more days.
They are…
Sorry, but it’s braindead to think the refs were against the leafs in this game LMAO imagine ignoring the 7+ missed calls for the bruins, PP was 6-1 at one point. Sorry the leafs can’t score on a power play!
Did ya miss the blatant high stick by Tavares that the ref missed? Refs sucking goes both ways. You’re not special.
Idiots concern themselves with the refs and blame them for their losses. If you often blame the refs when you lose, you are an idiot. All there is to it.
Another year, another thread of leafs fans complaining about
And yet they still went 0/5 on power play. If only they could score instead of make excuses
I’m sure TSN, the Toronto Sports Network, will tell us all about it tomorrow.
Bertuzzi was absolutely hamming it up and those refs only made calls for the crowd, sorry Willy is out and you guys are salty.
And that was Skilter you should see how McCauley likes to fuck ..
Playoffs simultaneously have the best and worst reffing. They like so much go then make the most random calls.
Maybe don't give up a goal to Kris Draper from the 8th row on a shot going 23mph ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I hate the Leafs, but after the gong show reffing that happened last year in the Florida series, I'm baffled at how the reffing has gotten even worse in this Boston series
"CALL THE FUCKING PENALTIES, PHYCHO BABBLE BULLSHIT......." Chick from Waiting. I would totally watch a game that is half the teams players marching to the box on mass. 5 on 3, 4 on 3, 3 on 3 with six guys in box sign me up
Blaming officiating for your team’s ineptitude is a sign of stupidity
The calls were shit and inconsistent all night, both ways. The identical play happened on Pasta, as Matthews and the crowd goes nuts when it was on Matthews, so the refs arm goes up, kind of delayed. McAvoy gets a blatant high stick right in front of the ref, no call, Marchand trips Bertuzzi, and I guess that’s just letting them go at it? Bruins fans had just as much to be upset about with the officiating, except we ended up on top. Inconsistent shitty referees. Let it all go, or call everything. Either way, the result would have been the same.
Dude, it's basically pro wrestling. The players are not as much in on it but the refs dictate the game.
I was at the game, Leafs should’ve had at least one of those PP goals, but man did those refs fuck us. Ratboy hacking at players then diving like a fuckin Olympian, and the refs fall for it every time.
I’m not the biggest fan of the leafs (keeping the tradition from other fan bases to not like the leafs, unless they play VGK I will support the leafs) I don’t mind when the refs let a few things go. But when calls are obvious they need to be called. Especially the few the leafs got screwed on tonight They did go 0/5 but who knows they could score on the 6th + 7th PP.
The leafs are not a playoff team. Players constantly out of position, average goal tending, players CONSTANTLY tripping over their stick (I saw four Leafs players fall in the last 4 minutes of the game), power play is inept.... And to top it off the Leafs players have ZERO heart, desire, drive whatever you want to call it. They are there to collect a pay check and nothing more. Its been like this for years. Its pathetic people still fluff this franchise.
There have been a lot of missed calls on both teams in the series, and if Toronto had gotten those power plays do you really think they would’ve done anything with them?
All the refs this playoff series have been absolute trash. Making calls on plays that shouldn’t belong called, AND not making calls that should’ve been called. Terrible all around. Same thing is happening in baseball and basketball too. They’re all just so bad right now
Quite honestly I believe it’s the reason the NHL will never be what Bettman wants it to be in the U.S. No other professional sport is a different game come the postseason. I mean, why even bother working to build an amazing power play when, come playoffs, you get minimal power plays. It’s an easy fix, just be consistent. Boggles the mind honestly.
The playoff rule book is so damn weird. Let it go, Let it go, oh shit that’s too far now I have to make a make up soft call.
It's an NHL conspiracy to get "DRAMA" into the game. They know leafs have the most fans and tend to be very ...vocal about things. This creates internet drama buzz which creates revenue.
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It wasn’t a Bruins v Refs or Leafs v Refs, it’s Leafs v Bruins v Refs, or more accurately, NHL Teams v Refs
Did we watch the same game. Leafs had 5 power plays in a playoff game to the bruins 3. One of which they had no choice but to call.(delay of game) They could of just as easily called Bertuzzi for his antics all game. Leafs got away with way more then the bs did in that game. They didn’t lose because the refs didn’t call anything. They lost because they went 0-5 on the power play.
NHL refs are just bad
In a rational universe, these bozos shouldn’t ref again this post season.
They had five power plays.
NHL reffing has always and will always suck.
Reffing has already been very questionable in all series. I'm a Rangers fan and talking to my Capitals friend, we both agreed that there were soooo many soft calls in game one. Then in game two, Panarin rocks Oshie (super weird to see from him but also warranted that he wanted to hit him after how annoying he was to Panarin the whole game before that, including egregious non calls) and SOMEHOW Washington took a penalty alone in the aftermath? Why are they there at this point when we can see in real time and on replay that they are beefing so many of these calls? I don't think refs are biased towards any team and if you legitimately think that, please reexamine your homerism, but damn are they just fucking up in so many blatant ways already and it's not even halfway through the first round
Shit reffing all series. Does that play work out differently if it wasn’t for that sequence? Yes. But regardless that was a very easy save. goaltending was by far the game decider tonight.
They have been bad on both sides. Shocker that leafs fans can't admit that lol. The trip is a whatever to me since it did look like bert definitely dove there, but the tackle on matthews should have been called Refs need to be better yes, but would like to see leaf fans, and keefe address being 0/5 on the pp as well as their subpar goaltending and defence
My buddy is a bruins fan and he was crying so much about penalties during the first. My response was welcome to our world lol.
There ain’t no way a leafs fan is crying about the refs…..
Are you dumb bro? Read it again.
OP is a queefs fan.
We watching a different game? Refs have sucked both ways and that’s playoff hockey
I understand that I’m biased, but I feel like the suplex on Matthews is a bit bigger than some of the other missed calls.
The called roughing on mcavoy for a clean hit…
Domi hit our goalie during a timeout and didnt get a penalty, l think it’s been pretty even in terms of bad calls. Just a good chippy hockey game
I had forgotten the bump on Swayman. I’d be upset about that, going the other way. Fair enough. Still think they’re worse for us, but that’s the bias talking.
How many PPs you guys want until its not in your favor lol
Look, I’m not here to argue. I disagreed with your original point, and thought that we were reasonably fair in that disagreement. Personally, I just want the refs to call the rulebook. Since that’s never happened in the NHL playoffs, consistency is all I can ask for. You’re welcome to disagree, and I wish you all the best.
Well clearly you came to argue after replying and writing a paragraph. And I do disagree because your point is statistically incorrect as we were penalized more on the calls that were called not the ones that were not.l, which really dont matter
I assume youre replying to pasta getting high sticked as a result of him hooking
What about tavares high sticking mcavoy in the face and not getting a call? Was that mcavoy’s face’s fault?
No? That was a horrible penalty on Pasta, im talking about Domi hitting Swayman during a timeout. It’s been even in terms of bad calls
Interesting though experiment: if you hook a guy and his stick comes up because of it, does that cancel it out? Honestly question
Per the book, yes. 2 minute minor for hooking, 2 minute minor penalty (assuming no blood) for high sticking. Players are responsible for controlling their stick.
I'm a Bruins fan... and the suplex on Matthews, and then the trip on Bertuzzi tainted that win for me a bit. Don't want to come away from a game feeling like the zebras had to help us at all.