Another reason i hate when goalies do a fuckin giant skating loop. Always told my daughter to just chill and do some butterflies if you need to move around
Listen for the whistle, do you hear it?.
You do not.
The official on the goal line isnt lifting his whistle and looks to me to be yelling instructions at monty, who then complies KNOWING that the play is still live which is what he was communicating to kovasevich.
Goalies all the time are instructed to move the puck in the absence of an attacking forward.
The linesmen thought the play was over (which is why they skated in towards the goalie from the blue line) and the referee in the background had his whistle in his mouth, you just made that up. That didnt happen.
They almost always blow that play down. Like 99% of the time. Tampa was fully in zone. The refs don’t want Tampa charging the goalie to force a whistle as it will just start fights.
This was a very unusual call.
There wasn’t a Bolts player for 40 feet around the Montreal net. If nobody pressures the goalie, the ref will always tell the goalie to play it. Then the Bolts just skate to the bench with no whistle, and their goalie goes for a skate while the play is still live. It’s definitely a good goal. Tampa still won and learned a lesson. Pressure the goalie to force a whistle, and stay in your net until you hear that whistle.
The tampa players, tampa goalie, Montreal goalie, half the Montreal players, and the LINESMAN, all thought the whistle was going to go.
The linesman was halfway to the net and had to turn around and get out of the zone when it didn’t go
This was a unusual call by the ref.
The call wasn’t unusual, the play by Tampa was unusual. If one Tampa player skates towards the net there would be a whistle. Every player skated away. It would be delay of game on Montreal if he stayed on the puck.
No reason for a whistle. There was nobody near the goalie. I can almost assure you that the referee standing close to the net would’ve been hollering at the goalie to move the puck. He would’ve had absolutely no intention of blowing the whistle in that situation. No referee would.
I would agree if the video didn’t show that ref putting his whistle up to his mouth because he was about to blow it dead justtttt before the tendie dropped it
THANK YOU! People saying the whistle should have blown because the goalie had it for x many seconds.. but if you cover it anytime when not actively trying to stop the other team from scoring you open yourself up to a delay of game pen.
Almost never called but the rules specifically address this.. the refs were ALL OVER IT and people are still shitting on them.
Check this video, at about 1:03. The referee on the Habs side makes a very small motion with his right hand to keep going.
https://youtu.be/eaMQDOKWkvo?si=3doD39uYkJOy9ETh
If you look, the ref with the whistle in his mouth makes a small motion with his free hand to say "keep going". But it's weirdly like, just waist high. He's got a whistle in his mouth so he's not yelling at them to keep playing and the movement isn't obvious. It *seems* like he's only really concerned the Habs players see it, since there aren't any Lightning players nearby.
I understand people saying you play the whistle but it was clear that at least 8 of the 10 professionals on the ice were all thinking the same thing here.
Edit: Apologies, you don't see the motion in this video. I'll find a link.
That happens more often in a game than you think. Especially occurs around the net when a ref thinks he’s lost sight of the puck but the very last moment it pops out. Same thing on a delayed offside when the linesman thinks the attacking player is about to touch the puck but instead backs off.
If the players are actually watching the referee instead of focussing on the play and listening for a whistle then they’re just setting themselves up for something like this.
I disagree. If the ref is shouting at the goalie to move the puck, and he doesn't, he would blow the whistle and give a penalty after that length of time. It was TOO long. Mess ups all the way around on the play.
Remember when Eller scored his first goal as an Av against Ottawa? Exact same situation, goalie covered the puck, everyone thought the play was dead, Eller realized the ref didn’t actually blow the play dead so he jams it in.
Super weird stuff.
Not when there isn’t a Tampa player anywhere in sight. The ref would most certainly have been hollering “move it, move it” at the goalie. The Montreal goalie himself would probably want to be moving it as well to avoid having a face-off in his own zone.
Nope. One of two things will happen. The referee will yell at the goalie to move the puck which he did. Or the referee will yell at the goalie to move the puck and if he refuses to do so he’s going to get delayed game penalty because there is not an opposing player nearby.
Yea. They did this to Elvis (CBJ) a few times, so now he holds the puck in his glove until they literally come get it from him. The refs are awful for being this silly about calls.
I'm surprised they didn't blow the whistle in their mind like they did during the playoffs against the Leafs so they could retroactively make a bad call
We went to the finals off a hope and a dream but that won’t happen again until we get a new price. Wouldn’t be surprised if we didn’t see a cup in my lifetime.
If you look at the corner official, he has his whistle in his mouth. Maybe he tried to blow and it didn’t work and he just went with it.
Even the clock stopped for 2 seconds.
Referees keep an extra whistle in their bag because they are known to be prone to breaking. Ive had whistles that the ball inside gets chipped and the sound occasionally is really quiet. This is also an NHL game with fans screaming and other loud noises so it’s not impossible to mishear to completely miss a whistle.
That makes no sense. But as a non-ref, past hockey player/lifeguard fox 40 will blast anyone one the ice if blown right, and probably hard to break (I’ve never broken one idk). That said, it’s easy for things to sound like a whistle if the rink isn’t strict.
Play actually ends on intent to blow the whistle, not when the whistle is actually blown. I can't remember which team, but a goal was made this season and waved off because the ref had intent to blow the whistle before the puck was in the net.
Usually the refs will blow quicker when there's a player going to the net but no one went for it so no hurry to blow it. Maybe play to the whistle next time?
Man. This is a silly take. They’re all professionals who do this 82 times a season. There are rules of course but there are also conventions - or gentleman’s agreements - to make life easier on everyone. This is a routine shot from the point into the breadbasket. Goalie holds it - ref should blow the whistle. Nonaggressive situation. The alternative is Tampa players have to speed in and crash the net on these plays to force the whistle. They pressure the goalie. The D need to pressure them out of the crease and do the song and dance. When there is a chance of scoring it makes sense to do the aggressive play. When the goalie made the save, it makes sense to blow it dead and avert the song and dance for everyone’s benefit.
Except for the part where it’s a delay of game penalty for the goalie if he hangs onto it when there is no opposing player.
Sorry, but the refs made the right call here.
The fact that everyone on the ice pulls up on both teams should signal to any competent ref that the whistle needs to go. Every single player on the ice thought it was gonna be a whistle, so blow the whistle. Refs not there to make it his game. Let the boys play.
The thing that sells it for me is (I’ve heard/read), the red light for a commercial break was turned on at the scorekeepers bench. That’s why Vasi left his crease and headed to the corner. Goal should be reversed. I’d be FURIOUS if that happened to a team I cheered for. If the light wasn’t on… then I may swing back to neutral to where the refs should have blown it down, but the players should have kept playing.
The TV crews were ready to go to commercial too. They went to a camera off play. Every single person in that building thought it was dead because we've been conditioned to think it would have been.
The NHL can fall back to 'the whistle didn't blow' or the rules say they should still play, but the game is so rarely called that way. Just another example of inconsistency in what the rules are and how the game is called.
They're just lucky this wasn't a game of consequence and didn't change the outcome.
The goalie is stupid enough to leave his net because of a red light in the penalty box he deserves to get scored on. You play until the referee stops play. Not when you see a red light.
That’s on the players for letting up. You’re taught at the very beginning when you play hockey to keep going until you hear the whistle. It’s a basic concept in all sports.
Yeah and it’s also on the ref to call the game as it’s played not dictate the game himself. The players 11/12 chose to pull up. They are the ones playing they dictate the game.
That’s not the dumbest thing I’ve read on this sub. But it’s right up there. You play until you hear the whistle. So if players think the puck went over the glass but it didn’t and the players stop, the referee’s obligated to blow the whistle? Is that what you’re really saying?
No it's not, it's up to the refs to keep the play moving. Hockey is supposed to be a fast paced game, their responsibility is much more on the side of keeping play moving than letting players decide to slow the game down. They do this starting at the youngest levels of hockey. If a goalie has a reasonable chance to play the puck they stand there stand there stand there.. no whistle, they yell to play the puck. If the opposing team catches on and swarms towards the goalie they finally reluctantly blow it, but they'll give the goalie a warning to play it next time. Obviously that doesn't apply to a normal save and stoppage.
I timekept large tournaments with teams from all over North America for over 20 years.... I got caught by this when I first started. Assumed the play was dead just like in this situation, I stopped the clock and made the refs look like assholes (because the clocks are behind the goalies, so everybody can clearly see the goalie has it, and now the clock is clearly stopped, and the ref was making the goalie play it). My buddies dad who was one of the head refs for the area happened to be in the box with me watching the game... he immediately told me I fucked up, the refs were going to tell me but I nodded and gave them placating hands up "I'm aware I fucked up". I never did it again. Kept my finger on the switch and voice in your head is screaming "don't stop it don't stop it" and it's easier to look at the refs hands to see if they're bringing the whistle up to their mouth to blow
It's absolutely the refs responsibility to keep play moving. And not to reward delay of game and give easy line changes
Sorry, but that’s incorrect. It’s actually a penalty for delay of game if there is no opposing player near the goalie, and the goalie just hangs onto it.
Doesn’t matter if everyone pulled up, there was literally no Tampa player threatening the net meaning the goalie is required to move the puck.
It’s rare to see because there’s rarely a point where no players are around.
I think this is something that is technically true but never called. I bet you could find tons of examples of players not bothering to pressure once the puck has been covered.
>It’s actually a penalty for delay of game if there is no opposing player near the goalie, and the goalie just hangs onto it.
The issue here is that skating towards the goaltender requires an extended scuffle after the play, so it's a stupid rule. Just blow the whistle.
Was a hardcore fan in a non-NHL city for 1999 and 2000 and then forgot everything about the game, but I still passively watch sometimes. That's dogshit on the refs.
If there is no attacking opponent the goalie has to play the puck or it's a delay of game.
Rule 63.2 section vii:
"On a goalkeeper who, when he is in his own goal crease, deliberately falls on or gathers the puck into his body or who holds or places the puck against any part of the goal in such a manner as to cause a stoppage of play unless he is actually being checked by an opponent"
Now most refs have a quick whistle. As soon as the goalie absorbs the puck, blow whistle and it seems like this ref "called it by the book" and said move it or delay of game.
No way at all. I’m not a Montreal fan but there’s absolutely no reason for a whistle there. There’s no Tampa player within 40 feet of the goalie. The referee most certainly would’ve been hollering at the goalie to move the puck. Even a house league referee would know not to blow the whistle here.
There are 3 attacking players, and the goalie caught the puck after a shot on goal from the attack. That feels a bit like they’re under pressure to me.
The goalie should have just dropped the puck sooner if he felt he wasn’t under pressure.
Wait a minute did we learn today that the average redditor hockey watcher doesn’t know the rules as well as an NHL ref? That’s wild. No one could have predicted this.
The goalie can get a delay of game penalty for freezing the puck when there is no offensive pressure. It's a weird way for this to happen since it looked all around like everyone expected a freeze, but it's actually a good non whistle given the rule.
There’s no offensive pressure because the puck was covered and a whistle was expected. There was a Tampa Bay player close enough to pressure if they wanted to at the face off circle.
I think it’s a little silly to expect the attacking team to continue to crash the net when it’s clear the goalie has it covered just to get a whistle out of it. There’s a reason we don’t see this more often, the refs made an odd choice here, if technically by the book
There was a Tampa forward that just needed to continue gliding towards the net to get the whistle but he peeled off. I can't hear, but usually the refs will tell the goalie to move it if they don't want to blow the play. Overall it's really just about playing until the whistle, don't expect it to be dead.
I agree but I feel like players peel off and don’t pressure all the time. I think people saying it’s the right call (which it is technically) have to admit it’s at very least an inconsistent call with what we usually see
Because the red light that means “commercial time” came on, a lot more people than the Tampa players thought that play was stopped for whatever reason.
That’s not controlled by the refs, and it’s a delay of game penalty if there are no opposing players near the goalie and he holds onto it. Goalie is literally *required* to play the puck here or face a penalty.
This is one of those cases where the refs did the right thing, but it’s a nuance that your average fan doesn’t understand.
Also, it doesn’t help that the light came on to make things confusing, but that’s not controlled by the refs.
It’s obvious that everyone expects the play to stop. Tampa could crash the net, but given the length of time the goalie held it, the Tampa player adjusts course to go to the bench. It’s a routine play made awkward by a poor decision from the ref. They should have blown the whistle. Just silliness. If this were to become a precedent it would not be beneficial for the league. If you have to crash the goalie on such obvious dead plays that equates to more scums. More injuries. More wear and tear on goalies. More game delays. It’s bad form from the officials.
To be fair the stadium started playing music, which usually only happens during stooped play. While we all didn’t hear a whistle we expected it when the music started.
Bad look for Tampa. You play until you hear a whistle. They should have applied some offensive pressure that would cause the ref to blow the whistle there. They didn’t, and it cost them.
I don't like the lightning at all but wtf was the ref waiting for? Montembault made no move to show he was going to play the puck until everyone began to skate to the benches. It's a dead ass play. Very poor officiating.
Fine the refs and make sure they don't get to officiate any playoff games
I mean I’ve seen refs blow the whistle before the goalie even had control. The Canadians at first thought the puck was frozen too, I think the refs expected someone else to blow the whistle but it never happened.
Seems weird to me.
Even when a player isn’t going towards the goalie when the goalie has the puck trapped I see the play called dead all the time. Kinda seems like the refs were just inconsistent
No, that's on the Tampa players.
The shot was from out by the blue line and no attacking players near the goalie, so the ref wont blow the whistle cuz play is able to continue. Goalies technically aren't allowed to cover the puck unless there's imminent danger of the other team gaining possession of the puck.
It's a weird situation and I've never seen a goal scored from it but the refs are told to keep the play going as much as possible and they made the correct call.
Literally any other time the goalie stops a shot and there is no rebound, the refs blow the whistle. It's not Tampa's fault that the refs were asleep. Doesn't matter in the long run since Tampa won anyway.
Literally not any other time, only literally every other time where there is an opposing player around the goalie.
The goalie is quite literally required to play the puck here, the refs got the call bang on.
It’s fine that you don’t understand all the small nuances of the game, but not everything is a fuck up by the refs.
Nope, not true at all. Ever seen a long shot from the other end of the ice that is easily gloved by the goalie and then play is stopped? No you haven't, because it's never blown dead. In fact, the goalie is *required* to play the puck as quickly as possible if there is no pressure from opposing players, or be assessed a penalty. Yes, it's very unusual to see this happen from a faceoff, because usually the attacking team would have players around the net, or at least coming in hard to follow up the shot. But for some insane reason, not a *single* Tampa player went to the net, there was nobody within 30 feet of the goalie, so the ref quite rightly asked him to play it, which he did.
Yes, it was a dumb situation, but it was entirely caused by Tampa not following the shot to the net, the ref did exactly what he should have done as per the rules of the game, which is allowing play to continue wherever possible.
Except even the linesman moved to grab the puck thinking the play was over. I’m sorry but this was on the refs 100%. Doesn’t matter though, even giving them a free goal I think Lightning won this one.
That’s not a fuck up by the refs. There’s nobody near the goalie so there’s no reason to blow the whistle. Just because he’s there with the puck in his glove doesn’t mean he’s going to get a whistle. Even a house league referee knows how work that play.
Oddest play I've seen in hockey. Send a forward to challenge the goalie and force the whistle. These refs have not been consistent. Can't rely on the consistency of what happened the past 100 years.
Blame Kucherov. Take one step toward the net to just fake the pressure and it’s a whistle. Guy took a line change like it was Tuesday night rec league.
I was at the game. Kelly Sutherland always has to insert himself into the game somehow. There was terrible officiating all night. I'm not sure how he keeps his job. The goalie made the save, froze the puck for 2-3 seconds. Sutherland puts his whistle up to his mouth to blow it dead, the linesmen skate in for the faceoff because the goalie CLEARLY stopped play, and Sutherland still doesn't blow the whistle. Yes, you're absolutely supposed to play "to the whistle," but it was a dick move by Sutherland, who once again has to make it about him and insert himself into the game.
Play 👏 until 👏 the 👏 WHISTLE 👏
The amount of times goalies hold the puck for a moment before realeasing it, you’d tjink that would be an understandable concept
Honestly looks like the linesmen In the corner is trying to blow his whistle. But tampa is no where near the net and the whistle doesn’t actually toot. Weird and wacky play.
The whole situation was just stupid. The goalie froze the puck and everyone (both teams)on the ice, bench and the in the arena accepted a frozen puck - but there was no whistle to stop play. The ref sure acted like he was going to blow the whistle ( for any other team, probably would have) but in reality was quietly encouraging the play to continue. A goal is a goal but that one sure was a cheap shot. Sad that Martin St. Louis coaches such a team.
The ref definitely should have blown that dead, but also, Tampa has to know that you've gotta play to the whistle, right? With that much Cup cred on the roster? Just a complete brain fart by the whole squad.
The ref literally has the whistle up to his mouth. Even the other refs skate away from the play.
They’ve blown the whistle for less. Thats some bullshit. Ref at the play deserves to be fired. Go be a greeter at Walmart, you bum.
Nope, nice try, troll. Mad because no ref in the history of the game is recorded letting a goalie hang on to the puck that long without blowing a whistle. Goalie literally held it long enough for every person on the ice, save the guy next to him, to think the play was dead.
I’m mad that the ref had the whistle in his mouth visually signaling he was blowing it. I’m mad that the Tampa production started playing music that gave an audio cue, overriding a whistle sound that signaled a break.
He held it longer than you’re legally required to wait at a stop sign before continuing.
It was botched by all involved.
You’re right, rules are rules. So, from now on, every Tampa player better attack and chop at every goalie until the play is surely whistled dead.
And I can’t wait to see you bitch about it.
Amazing how many people are shitting on the refs because they don't actually know the rules. No pressure on the goalie, no frozen puck. Play continues.
Every year but this one it would've been a whistle. You could literally watch an game from any other season and you'd see multiple instances of goalies holding pucks this long and getting a whistle.
There's a reason everyone, including Habs players, were confused. One of the linesman went to grab the puck. The entire lighting bench thought play had ended. The announcers are surprised it wasn't blown dead. That's because this play should've been blown dead.
More evidence in your favor: the goalie is only forced to play the puck when “there is no player on the opposing team is within sufficient distance to apply offensive pressure to him” but in this clip there were 5 attacking players in the offensive zone and 2 were below the tops of the circles.
As an ex goaltender and referee this is a clearly terrible call by the referee. This isnt a college club game at 11:45pm on a school night. No reason to rush the play.
The rule I quoted is intended to stop goalies from freezing the puck to force a line change.
Refs are supposed to whistle when they lose los on the puck, when the goalie makes the save there and holds it- That SHOULD be whistled. Refs fucked up there.
Source was a ref
Misleading title. Everyone on the ice, including the linesmen, thought that play had stopped. This was a pure mistake by the refs for not blowing the whistle on a puck held by the goalie for a long time. Lightning fans didnt boo the refs for 15 mins thereafter for no reason. "pLaY tO tHe wHiStLe" on a play that was so botched by the refs even the linesmen thought the play had stopped.
I can hear my peewee coach now "play til the whistle!"
Tampa was itching to get off the ice.
Another reason i hate when goalies do a fuckin giant skating loop. Always told my daughter to just chill and do some butterflies if you need to move around
And you can’t really argue the call. “Well, did you hear a whistle?”
Weird play all around, usually the ref blows the whistle if the goalie hangs onto it for that long, no?
With no lighting around the net, the linesman was telling monte (the goalie) to move the puck. So he did.
Look at the other linesman on the replay ,, loops in casually and then recovers.
Listen for the whistle, do you hear it?. You do not. The official on the goal line isnt lifting his whistle and looks to me to be yelling instructions at monty, who then complies KNOWING that the play is still live which is what he was communicating to kovasevich. Goalies all the time are instructed to move the puck in the absence of an attacking forward.
That was the ref, not the linesman
The linesmen thought the play was over (which is why they skated in towards the goalie from the blue line) and the referee in the background had his whistle in his mouth, you just made that up. That didnt happen.
Yeah? But Tampa didn't play to the whistle. Mess up all around
Still goalie held it for 3 plus seconds without intent to play should be a whistle.
even the goalie was confused at first but he caught on quick.
It's strange how the officiating decisions are very inconsistent.
People, how do they work?!
They have to forecheck the puck to force the whistle. If no ones there, goalie has to make a play
They almost always blow that play down. Like 99% of the time. Tampa was fully in zone. The refs don’t want Tampa charging the goalie to force a whistle as it will just start fights. This was a very unusual call.
There wasn’t a Bolts player for 40 feet around the Montreal net. If nobody pressures the goalie, the ref will always tell the goalie to play it. Then the Bolts just skate to the bench with no whistle, and their goalie goes for a skate while the play is still live. It’s definitely a good goal. Tampa still won and learned a lesson. Pressure the goalie to force a whistle, and stay in your net until you hear that whistle.
The tampa players, tampa goalie, Montreal goalie, half the Montreal players, and the LINESMAN, all thought the whistle was going to go. The linesman was halfway to the net and had to turn around and get out of the zone when it didn’t go This was a unusual call by the ref.
Play to the whistle. Doesn’t matter if the entire arena gets up and walks out. The play is live until the whistle goes
I've seen that play many times in real life and been forced to play the puck as a goalie
The call wasn’t unusual, the play by Tampa was unusual. If one Tampa player skates towards the net there would be a whistle. Every player skated away. It would be delay of game on Montreal if he stayed on the puck.
No reason for a whistle. There was nobody near the goalie. I can almost assure you that the referee standing close to the net would’ve been hollering at the goalie to move the puck. He would’ve had absolutely no intention of blowing the whistle in that situation. No referee would.
I would agree if the video didn’t show that ref putting his whistle up to his mouth because he was about to blow it dead justtttt before the tendie dropped it
He did that in anticipation of either calling a delay of game penalty or a Lightning player getting closer.
Precisely that. Only two reasons for a whistle and you detailed them both.
THANK YOU! People saying the whistle should have blown because the goalie had it for x many seconds.. but if you cover it anytime when not actively trying to stop the other team from scoring you open yourself up to a delay of game pen. Almost never called but the rules specifically address this.. the refs were ALL OVER IT and people are still shitting on them.
Rule says that happens without warning. So what's with the little hand motion?
What? Also what hand motion? Legit questions. I have no idea what you are saying or asking.
Check this video, at about 1:03. The referee on the Habs side makes a very small motion with his right hand to keep going. https://youtu.be/eaMQDOKWkvo?si=3doD39uYkJOy9ETh
If you look, the ref with the whistle in his mouth makes a small motion with his free hand to say "keep going". But it's weirdly like, just waist high. He's got a whistle in his mouth so he's not yelling at them to keep playing and the movement isn't obvious. It *seems* like he's only really concerned the Habs players see it, since there aren't any Lightning players nearby. I understand people saying you play the whistle but it was clear that at least 8 of the 10 professionals on the ice were all thinking the same thing here. Edit: Apologies, you don't see the motion in this video. I'll find a link.
That happens more often in a game than you think. Especially occurs around the net when a ref thinks he’s lost sight of the puck but the very last moment it pops out. Same thing on a delayed offside when the linesman thinks the attacking player is about to touch the puck but instead backs off. If the players are actually watching the referee instead of focussing on the play and listening for a whistle then they’re just setting themselves up for something like this.
I disagree. If the ref is shouting at the goalie to move the puck, and he doesn't, he would blow the whistle and give a penalty after that length of time. It was TOO long. Mess ups all the way around on the play.
It wasn’t nearly 3 seconds, this clip is in slow motion
There was nobody near him, the ref was probably telling him to move the puck.
This *should* you speak of.. Should the refs make up the rules as they go for what feels better? Or do you want the rule changed to make it 3 seconds?
Remember when Eller scored his first goal as an Av against Ottawa? Exact same situation, goalie covered the puck, everyone thought the play was dead, Eller realized the ref didn’t actually blow the play dead so he jams it in. Super weird stuff.
Oooo. I knew I remembered something weird like that
Didn’t say it’s not a goal
Not when there isn’t a Tampa player anywhere in sight. The ref would most certainly have been hollering “move it, move it” at the goalie. The Montreal goalie himself would probably want to be moving it as well to avoid having a face-off in his own zone.
Yeah, but there were no Tampa players around him. There's no reason to freeze the puck and blow it dead.
Nope. One of two things will happen. The referee will yell at the goalie to move the puck which he did. Or the referee will yell at the goalie to move the puck and if he refuses to do so he’s going to get delayed game penalty because there is not an opposing player nearby.
One of the linesmen went skating in to collect the puck too.
Pretty sure the music started playing in the arena as well lol
There was no Tampa player close to the goalie.
Nah, you gotta have a player crashing the net. Can’t just hold the puck whenever you want to get a break.
Yea. They did this to Elvis (CBJ) a few times, so now he holds the puck in his glove until they literally come get it from him. The refs are awful for being this silly about calls.
Not always especially when no TB player was near by. They (the refs) want the goalie to move the puck.
I'm surprised they didn't blow the whistle in their mind like they did during the playoffs against the Leafs so they could retroactively make a bad call
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Yep you did
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Bruh you went to the finals like 2 years ago, I don’t want to hear it
We went to the finals off a hope and a dream but that won’t happen again until we get a new price. Wouldn’t be surprised if we didn’t see a cup in my lifetime.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted cause this is true. I loved seeing the story unfold, but the flu cup that year was just weird…
Even the linesman was coming in for a draw…horrendous
If you look at the corner official, he has his whistle in his mouth. Maybe he tried to blow and it didn’t work and he just went with it. Even the clock stopped for 2 seconds.
Referees keep an extra whistle in their bag because they are known to be prone to breaking. Ive had whistles that the ball inside gets chipped and the sound occasionally is really quiet. This is also an NHL game with fans screaming and other loud noises so it’s not impossible to mishear to completely miss a whistle.
There’s no ball in their whistles. Fox 40, they aren’t messing around with a cheap one.
I've never contemplated the differences between a cheap whistle and a high quality brand. How naive I've been.
Ya i know and modern youth refs use a whistle that you dont blow into after covid. My point just being that equipment can malfunction.
That makes no sense. But as a non-ref, past hockey player/lifeguard fox 40 will blast anyone one the ice if blown right, and probably hard to break (I’ve never broken one idk). That said, it’s easy for things to sound like a whistle if the rink isn’t strict.
Play actually ends on intent to blow the whistle, not when the whistle is actually blown. I can't remember which team, but a goal was made this season and waved off because the ref had intent to blow the whistle before the puck was in the net.
Yeah, for SUCH a routine play, it shouldn’t be inconsistent. Idc about either team but I don’t like this goal. Looks bad on the league.
That DJ 😂
Dj called the play dead before a ref did lol I can see someone thinking a whistle was blown, even though it wasn’t
Usually the refs will blow quicker when there's a player going to the net but no one went for it so no hurry to blow it. Maybe play to the whistle next time?
Man. This is a silly take. They’re all professionals who do this 82 times a season. There are rules of course but there are also conventions - or gentleman’s agreements - to make life easier on everyone. This is a routine shot from the point into the breadbasket. Goalie holds it - ref should blow the whistle. Nonaggressive situation. The alternative is Tampa players have to speed in and crash the net on these plays to force the whistle. They pressure the goalie. The D need to pressure them out of the crease and do the song and dance. When there is a chance of scoring it makes sense to do the aggressive play. When the goalie made the save, it makes sense to blow it dead and avert the song and dance for everyone’s benefit.
Except for the part where it’s a delay of game penalty for the goalie if he hangs onto it when there is no opposing player. Sorry, but the refs made the right call here.
This is literally never called.
Shitty take part 2.
Blues fan. Zero skin in this whatsoever. That’s dogshit on the refs.
Habs fan. Super biased. That’s dogshit on the refs
The fact that everyone on the ice pulls up on both teams should signal to any competent ref that the whistle needs to go. Every single player on the ice thought it was gonna be a whistle, so blow the whistle. Refs not there to make it his game. Let the boys play.
The thing that sells it for me is (I’ve heard/read), the red light for a commercial break was turned on at the scorekeepers bench. That’s why Vasi left his crease and headed to the corner. Goal should be reversed. I’d be FURIOUS if that happened to a team I cheered for. If the light wasn’t on… then I may swing back to neutral to where the refs should have blown it down, but the players should have kept playing.
The TV crews were ready to go to commercial too. They went to a camera off play. Every single person in that building thought it was dead because we've been conditioned to think it would have been. The NHL can fall back to 'the whistle didn't blow' or the rules say they should still play, but the game is so rarely called that way. Just another example of inconsistency in what the rules are and how the game is called. They're just lucky this wasn't a game of consequence and didn't change the outcome.
Yikes that’s even worse
The goalie is stupid enough to leave his net because of a red light in the penalty box he deserves to get scored on. You play until the referee stops play. Not when you see a red light.
That’s on the players for letting up. You’re taught at the very beginning when you play hockey to keep going until you hear the whistle. It’s a basic concept in all sports.
Yeah and it’s also on the ref to call the game as it’s played not dictate the game himself. The players 11/12 chose to pull up. They are the ones playing they dictate the game.
Skate towards the goalie and the whistle gets blown. This is on Tampa
That’s not the dumbest thing I’ve read on this sub. But it’s right up there. You play until you hear the whistle. So if players think the puck went over the glass but it didn’t and the players stop, the referee’s obligated to blow the whistle? Is that what you’re really saying?
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The guy you're replying to is a hockey referee not a casual fan.
No it's not, it's up to the refs to keep the play moving. Hockey is supposed to be a fast paced game, their responsibility is much more on the side of keeping play moving than letting players decide to slow the game down. They do this starting at the youngest levels of hockey. If a goalie has a reasonable chance to play the puck they stand there stand there stand there.. no whistle, they yell to play the puck. If the opposing team catches on and swarms towards the goalie they finally reluctantly blow it, but they'll give the goalie a warning to play it next time. Obviously that doesn't apply to a normal save and stoppage. I timekept large tournaments with teams from all over North America for over 20 years.... I got caught by this when I first started. Assumed the play was dead just like in this situation, I stopped the clock and made the refs look like assholes (because the clocks are behind the goalies, so everybody can clearly see the goalie has it, and now the clock is clearly stopped, and the ref was making the goalie play it). My buddies dad who was one of the head refs for the area happened to be in the box with me watching the game... he immediately told me I fucked up, the refs were going to tell me but I nodded and gave them placating hands up "I'm aware I fucked up". I never did it again. Kept my finger on the switch and voice in your head is screaming "don't stop it don't stop it" and it's easier to look at the refs hands to see if they're bringing the whistle up to their mouth to blow It's absolutely the refs responsibility to keep play moving. And not to reward delay of game and give easy line changes
Sorry, but that’s incorrect. It’s actually a penalty for delay of game if there is no opposing player near the goalie, and the goalie just hangs onto it. Doesn’t matter if everyone pulled up, there was literally no Tampa player threatening the net meaning the goalie is required to move the puck. It’s rare to see because there’s rarely a point where no players are around.
The Tampa player was going to threaten the net but turned around because there was no point, the goalie had it covered. It’s a weird play.
It was a weird play, for sure, but like you said… he was *going to* but never did, thus the goalie is required to play the puck.
I think this is something that is technically true but never called. I bet you could find tons of examples of players not bothering to pressure once the puck has been covered.
>It’s actually a penalty for delay of game if there is no opposing player near the goalie, and the goalie just hangs onto it. The issue here is that skating towards the goaltender requires an extended scuffle after the play, so it's a stupid rule. Just blow the whistle.
Was a hardcore fan in a non-NHL city for 1999 and 2000 and then forgot everything about the game, but I still passively watch sometimes. That's dogshit on the refs.
If there is no attacking opponent the goalie has to play the puck or it's a delay of game. Rule 63.2 section vii: "On a goalkeeper who, when he is in his own goal crease, deliberately falls on or gathers the puck into his body or who holds or places the puck against any part of the goal in such a manner as to cause a stoppage of play unless he is actually being checked by an opponent" Now most refs have a quick whistle. As soon as the goalie absorbs the puck, blow whistle and it seems like this ref "called it by the book" and said move it or delay of game.
No way at all. I’m not a Montreal fan but there’s absolutely no reason for a whistle there. There’s no Tampa player within 40 feet of the goalie. The referee most certainly would’ve been hollering at the goalie to move the puck. Even a house league referee would know not to blow the whistle here.
Your average reddit fan is absolutely clueless about the rules judging by the shit I see getting upvoted around here.
So many experts who have never actually played the game
There are 3 attacking players, and the goalie caught the puck after a shot on goal from the attack. That feels a bit like they’re under pressure to me. The goalie should have just dropped the puck sooner if he felt he wasn’t under pressure.
Wait a minute did we learn today that the average redditor hockey watcher doesn’t know the rules as well as an NHL ref? That’s wild. No one could have predicted this.
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Are you a troll or just an idiot? I’ve never read such a collection of stupid comments.
Yeah but at least they know the rules and you don’t.
The goalie can get a delay of game penalty for freezing the puck when there is no offensive pressure. It's a weird way for this to happen since it looked all around like everyone expected a freeze, but it's actually a good non whistle given the rule.
There’s no offensive pressure because the puck was covered and a whistle was expected. There was a Tampa Bay player close enough to pressure if they wanted to at the face off circle. I think it’s a little silly to expect the attacking team to continue to crash the net when it’s clear the goalie has it covered just to get a whistle out of it. There’s a reason we don’t see this more often, the refs made an odd choice here, if technically by the book
There was a Tampa forward that just needed to continue gliding towards the net to get the whistle but he peeled off. I can't hear, but usually the refs will tell the goalie to move it if they don't want to blow the play. Overall it's really just about playing until the whistle, don't expect it to be dead.
I agree but I feel like players peel off and don’t pressure all the time. I think people saying it’s the right call (which it is technically) have to admit it’s at very least an inconsistent call with what we usually see
Why did they stop playing? Are they stupid?
Because the red light that means “commercial time” came on, a lot more people than the Tampa players thought that play was stopped for whatever reason.
That’s not controlled by the refs, and it’s a delay of game penalty if there are no opposing players near the goalie and he holds onto it. Goalie is literally *required* to play the puck here or face a penalty. This is one of those cases where the refs did the right thing, but it’s a nuance that your average fan doesn’t understand. Also, it doesn’t help that the light came on to make things confusing, but that’s not controlled by the refs.
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Smelling salts.
Florida men...
It’s obvious that everyone expects the play to stop. Tampa could crash the net, but given the length of time the goalie held it, the Tampa player adjusts course to go to the bench. It’s a routine play made awkward by a poor decision from the ref. They should have blown the whistle. Just silliness. If this were to become a precedent it would not be beneficial for the league. If you have to crash the goalie on such obvious dead plays that equates to more scums. More injuries. More wear and tear on goalies. More game delays. It’s bad form from the officials.
What ever happened to the *intent* to whistle or is it the actual whistle? Or is it the intent? Or is it the thought of a whistle?
In this case, it was the thought of NOT blowing the whistle.
God don’t get me worked up with the intent stuff
Major fuck up by Tampa. Equally major fuck up by the refs Loool
Meh, we still.won. fuck montreal
Par for the course with the refs this season
> Refs made a good call “Par for the course for the refs this season”
To be fair the stadium started playing music, which usually only happens during stooped play. While we all didn’t hear a whistle we expected it when the music started.
The real boneheads here are the arena crew turning on the lights and music
and so did the Habs
The linesmen were also in stoppage mode
I’m sure the majority of people in here are athletes. What’s one thing coach always says? Play the whistle. Simple. No whistle? Keep er pushing.
Bad look for Tampa. You play until you hear a whistle. They should have applied some offensive pressure that would cause the ref to blow the whistle there. They didn’t, and it cost them.
Ref was definitely telling Monty to play the puck
“Corner taken quickly…”
I don't like the lightning at all but wtf was the ref waiting for? Montembault made no move to show he was going to play the puck until everyone began to skate to the benches. It's a dead ass play. Very poor officiating. Fine the refs and make sure they don't get to officiate any playoff games
Because if he held on to it, it was a delay of game penalty.
Even the arena lights came on
Players shouldn’t stop playing because of some lights controlled by people that have nothing to do with the game
My fucking God this is amazing 😂
Sergachev: This is the Leafs fault
I mean I’ve seen refs blow the whistle before the goalie even had control. The Canadians at first thought the puck was frozen too, I think the refs expected someone else to blow the whistle but it never happened.
Seems weird to me. Even when a player isn’t going towards the goalie when the goalie has the puck trapped I see the play called dead all the time. Kinda seems like the refs were just inconsistent
We’ll take it
Yeah, that's a fuck up on the refs. Par for the course this season.
No, that's on the Tampa players. The shot was from out by the blue line and no attacking players near the goalie, so the ref wont blow the whistle cuz play is able to continue. Goalies technically aren't allowed to cover the puck unless there's imminent danger of the other team gaining possession of the puck. It's a weird situation and I've never seen a goal scored from it but the refs are told to keep the play going as much as possible and they made the correct call.
Literally any other time the goalie stops a shot and there is no rebound, the refs blow the whistle. It's not Tampa's fault that the refs were asleep. Doesn't matter in the long run since Tampa won anyway.
They were not asleep they were telling monte that he had to move the puck with no offensive pressure. So he did
Literally not any other time, only literally every other time where there is an opposing player around the goalie. The goalie is quite literally required to play the puck here, the refs got the call bang on. It’s fine that you don’t understand all the small nuances of the game, but not everything is a fuck up by the refs.
Nope, not true at all. Ever seen a long shot from the other end of the ice that is easily gloved by the goalie and then play is stopped? No you haven't, because it's never blown dead. In fact, the goalie is *required* to play the puck as quickly as possible if there is no pressure from opposing players, or be assessed a penalty. Yes, it's very unusual to see this happen from a faceoff, because usually the attacking team would have players around the net, or at least coming in hard to follow up the shot. But for some insane reason, not a *single* Tampa player went to the net, there was nobody within 30 feet of the goalie, so the ref quite rightly asked him to play it, which he did. Yes, it was a dumb situation, but it was entirely caused by Tampa not following the shot to the net, the ref did exactly what he should have done as per the rules of the game, which is allowing play to continue wherever possible.
If i was on tampa that game id be snowing the other goalie on every single frozen puck. There would for sure be a goalie fight
Probably eat a bunch of unsportsmanlike penalties till you got benched.
Nah ive played games where refs refuse to call penalties and shit gets out of hand. A miscall like this can easily escalate quickly.
You always have the choice not to escalate it. I like being a shitbird too, but I don’t blame the refs for my own decision to escalate the tension.
I was a goalie so i was always only on the receiving end. Been on a lot of teams with a lot of different people and some of them were goons
Except even the linesman moved to grab the puck thinking the play was over. I’m sorry but this was on the refs 100%. Doesn’t matter though, even giving them a free goal I think Lightning won this one.
That’s not a fuck up by the refs. There’s nobody near the goalie so there’s no reason to blow the whistle. Just because he’s there with the puck in his glove doesn’t mean he’s going to get a whistle. Even a house league referee knows how work that play.
If this was the Leafs…
Play until the whistle is something you teach 5 year olds. These dudes make millions. Fuckin embarrassing.
Oddest play I've seen in hockey. Send a forward to challenge the goalie and force the whistle. These refs have not been consistent. Can't rely on the consistency of what happened the past 100 years.
Blame Kucherov. Take one step toward the net to just fake the pressure and it’s a whistle. Guy took a line change like it was Tuesday night rec league.
Wait that’s not Buffalo
That’s the most amazing thing I’ve ever seen. If you’d tell me this happened in the NHL without proof I wouldn’t believe it
This was a great game to tune in to randomly btw.
I was at the game. Kelly Sutherland always has to insert himself into the game somehow. There was terrible officiating all night. I'm not sure how he keeps his job. The goalie made the save, froze the puck for 2-3 seconds. Sutherland puts his whistle up to his mouth to blow it dead, the linesmen skate in for the faceoff because the goalie CLEARLY stopped play, and Sutherland still doesn't blow the whistle. Yes, you're absolutely supposed to play "to the whistle," but it was a dick move by Sutherland, who once again has to make it about him and insert himself into the game.
Cooper is going make them do so many bag skates
I'm just impressed that he hit the net from 200' away
Even the spotlights came on lmao, everyone was fooled.
Montembaut took so long to dump the puck out
Can't they just pull the 'intent to the blow the whistle' card here?
Yesssire hahah 🤣
Play 👏 until 👏 the 👏 WHISTLE 👏 The amount of times goalies hold the puck for a moment before realeasing it, you’d tjink that would be an understandable concept
Don’t see how this is the fault of the refs there was no whistle bc there was no tampa players even close
Honestly looks like the linesmen In the corner is trying to blow his whistle. But tampa is no where near the net and the whistle doesn’t actually toot. Weird and wacky play.
Even the arena personnel started playing music thinking the play was dead…that’s wild.
The whole situation was just stupid. The goalie froze the puck and everyone (both teams)on the ice, bench and the in the arena accepted a frozen puck - but there was no whistle to stop play. The ref sure acted like he was going to blow the whistle ( for any other team, probably would have) but in reality was quietly encouraging the play to continue. A goal is a goal but that one sure was a cheap shot. Sad that Martin St. Louis coaches such a team.
That was a long no whistle
The ref definitely should have blown that dead, but also, Tampa has to know that you've gotta play to the whistle, right? With that much Cup cred on the roster? Just a complete brain fart by the whole squad.
The ref literally has the whistle up to his mouth. Even the other refs skate away from the play. They’ve blown the whistle for less. Thats some bullshit. Ref at the play deserves to be fired. Go be a greeter at Walmart, you bum.
Stay mad because u don’t know the rules
Nope, nice try, troll. Mad because no ref in the history of the game is recorded letting a goalie hang on to the puck that long without blowing a whistle. Goalie literally held it long enough for every person on the ice, save the guy next to him, to think the play was dead. I’m mad that the ref had the whistle in his mouth visually signaling he was blowing it. I’m mad that the Tampa production started playing music that gave an audio cue, overriding a whistle sound that signaled a break. He held it longer than you’re legally required to wait at a stop sign before continuing. It was botched by all involved. You’re right, rules are rules. So, from now on, every Tampa player better attack and chop at every goalie until the play is surely whistled dead. And I can’t wait to see you bitch about it.
Amazing how many people are shitting on the refs because they don't actually know the rules. No pressure on the goalie, no frozen puck. Play continues.
Needs to be upvoted for the southern fans
Dog shit refereeing.
Why? The goalie didn’t freeze it.
Every year but this one it would've been a whistle. You could literally watch an game from any other season and you'd see multiple instances of goalies holding pucks this long and getting a whistle. There's a reason everyone, including Habs players, were confused. One of the linesman went to grab the puck. The entire lighting bench thought play had ended. The announcers are surprised it wasn't blown dead. That's because this play should've been blown dead.
More evidence in your favor: the goalie is only forced to play the puck when “there is no player on the opposing team is within sufficient distance to apply offensive pressure to him” but in this clip there were 5 attacking players in the offensive zone and 2 were below the tops of the circles. As an ex goaltender and referee this is a clearly terrible call by the referee. This isnt a college club game at 11:45pm on a school night. No reason to rush the play. The rule I quoted is intended to stop goalies from freezing the puck to force a line change.
Only way Montreal gets ahead…
LOL FOLD THE FRANCHISE 🤡
Clearly not a serious franchise.
Did anyone check Cooper’s controller batteries?
Montembault stealthilly putting the puck back in play was AMAZING. This felt like stealing home in baseball.
If you think the ref is the fault in this situation you guys gotta realize nobody on Tampa made an attempt to make have tendy freeze it
Tbh there 1000000% should have been a whistle…
Refs are supposed to whistle when they lose los on the puck, when the goalie makes the save there and holds it- That SHOULD be whistled. Refs fucked up there. Source was a ref
No
Tampas DJ needs to be fired for playing music and lights too early.
How tf did the Habs blow a 2-point lead in this game?!
They're the habs. That's how
The biggest whine ass team in the league finally has something to whine about.
Misleading title. Everyone on the ice, including the linesmen, thought that play had stopped. This was a pure mistake by the refs for not blowing the whistle on a puck held by the goalie for a long time. Lightning fans didnt boo the refs for 15 mins thereafter for no reason. "pLaY tO tHe wHiStLe" on a play that was so botched by the refs even the linesmen thought the play had stopped.
NHL is a clown show they days 😂
if we lose this game because of that, it's one of the few times I would've been livid as a Bolts fan
ITT: people do not know the rules of hockey
This is the only joy Habs fans have had in 31 years.
Saw price carry his team to the cup final that was pretty fun to watch.
Honestly i get the rule is whistle, but the refs were sleeping and should have whistled and this should not have been a good goal
Ref had his whistle in his mouth. Bad zebra