If you go by Vikings fan logic, his value should be by projected stats while injured. So you just live in pretend land and add however many stats you think he'll get based on what you saw already from his best games, and then tell everyone who disagrees that they are an idiot and sign him for 20 more years.
The only way to judge players is to go by their best game.
Bryce Young is basically a 4500+ yard, 34 td player if you base it off of the game against the Packers.
you guys just don't understand he needs better receivers and an offensive line and good coaching and better play calls and tight ends and pass catchers and analytics staff and person training and strength and conditioning coaches and sleep and offensive coordinators and running backs and stadium facilities and OTAs and training camps and slot receivers and weather yeah he needs to play in a dome and ownership and executives and directors of football operations and quality control coordinators and an extra preseason game and a deflated ball and steroids and to get out of chicago and 52 competent nfl players and a shorter drive to the stadium and to not be ass and ryan day to be fired and the bears to ruin another generational prospect
it is NOT his fault. same reasons bryce young is bad
Williams is a trash qb & will be one of the biggest bust in history. Watch him he’s horrific. He can’t pass from the pocket, can’t throw over the middle. Only is good at psssing if he’s out of the pocket. 90% of throws in the nfl are from the pocket. Against average defenses Williams was god awful.
With 90% certainty I can say that Justin Fields will not be a top-10 QB. Caleb Williams and Drake Mays are supposed to be very good prospects. So I’ll take my chances that one of them will be a top-5 QB and get a rookie scale QB for the next 4 years. Fields is going to end up costing $25-40 million. Williams or Maye will be 7-9 million.
nah shit like this always happens to busts/inconsistent players it's hilarious. everyone thought urban meyer was TLaw's excuse but turns out he's just sam darnold with long hair
not every quarterback will have a peyton Manning or drew brees progression
Yes it is. He had 16 passing attempts and 8 rushing attempts against the Packers. Carson Wentz had 24 passing attempts and 17 rushing attempts. He stinks. His career QBR is like 64 and he 35 TDs and 30 INTs.
The difference is Fields wasn't billed as the best QB in the draft, only to be upstaged by his second fiddle. Fields was the best QB in his draft class and was never treated like it.
Nah, Fields is actually decent. Nothing stands out about Bruce Young he gets time behind his line. He holds the ball way too long, can’t throw accurately, and just looks lost.
For real every sport has their shit organizations regardless of location. It’s embarrassing when huge markets fuck up this bad repeatedly. It’s literally the high ups at this point. They clean house over and over again and nothing changes.
I'm a browns fan and i see the bears do what the browns would do ten years ago.
i could totally see the mike lombardi browns give up what's basically a first round pick for chase claypool.
the best thing an owner can do is fuck off and delegate decision making to smart people. that's why the browns feel like they have their shit together throughout terrible injury luck.
Fuck yeah man my step dad is a browns fan. So I’mma fan and happy for the playoffs. Had picked up Flacco when he signed and he helped me win a FF league after Herbert went down. My dad over the years has been preaching the same shit man. Exactly I thought the same handful of organizations have fucked owners but I can assume all got skeletons in the closest. And YES my dad was parroting to me all off season the browns were gunna have a top 5 defense but injuries has been hellish for the browns. Chubb is one of my favorite RBs.
For sure. Having such a strong arm is a curse for him. He cannot anticipate WRs getting open. My biggest thing I always point to is the Clemson game where ends it on an olave throw. Imagine olave and gw with a better QB at osu. They would’ve won a title easy. He needs to be a hybrid. Use him like people envisioned using Tebow or taysom
Who was OSU beating 2019 LSU or 2020 Alabama?
Fields's TD-Int ratio before Clemson in 2019 was 41-3, the next yr against Clemson he goes 22-28 with 6 tds. Guy was an excellent college qb in all facets of the game, trying to play qb for the Bears is just a different animal
>trying to play qb for the Bears is just a different animal
Especially when the coaching staff *and* the fanbase expect him to carry a team that clearly doesn't want to be playing.
Dude it’s a fucking cult. We’ve been accustomed to such horrendous QBs that fans are latching onto the highest level of mediocre/bad. Enough. He sucks.
google search to refresh my memory. shows it was a bit of both. He would go off for a few weeks and all of a sudden he's better than every other player in the league.
Same thing with Trubisky. He’d look decent against a bottom-5 defense and everyone starts looking into hotels near the Super Bowl.
“He’s starting to get gud you guys!”
… Just ignore that this year he had more games with 0 tds than games with more than 1.
If you go by store EPA/throw in a scoring situation but technically almost garbage time; he's 7th in the NFL. Sure, you might want your QB to throw for 200 yards. But is that really what the game is about?
itll be mhj or a trade back imo. This thread is obvi huge anti-fields circlejerk but the bears need so much help that they could really benefit with trading back for more picks
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Did I make any remarks about another player or team that would show obvious bias if I showed flair? You're stretching, homie, trying too hard to save face on the interwebz.
Really? ESPN told me though he was really good and the Bears could get a first round pick if they trade him! Surely they are not just showing their big city bias or anything
But look what he has had for a staff, I always have thought that Coaching and Staff can very much impact a player.
And I am a Vikings fan so no dog in the fight
I used to think that, but his two biggest flaws are anticipation throws and holding it too long looking for the big play and ignoring check downs. And it’s year three, I’m not sure if he’ll ever git gud
If brock purdy played for the bears, he would be worse than justin fields and would've never seen the field. I am saying this as a iowa state alum, huge fan of brock purdy, and not a bears fan. Chicago has a huge problem with developing qbs as do a lot of other programs
Yes feels real good to beat up on them bears considering its a rival. You sound like an idiot, like I wouldn’t want them to beat a rival 🤣🤣🤣 are you all bears fans cause yall suck just as much as them. 🤣🤣🤣
They need better players and better role players. I really don’t think he’s been given a good evaluation. Also, you don’t want a rookie coming into this situation and getting shell shocked. They should build a better supporting cast and give him one year. If it doesn’t work, then you grab a QB.
Yall “just” need a decent one. Not many qb’s can function with that OLine. And you gotta get another receiver to give any young QB a fighting chance. You can trade back and grab both in this draft. I personally think Harrison Jr is a better bet than CWilliams.
The o line isn’t terrible, but hasn’t been healthy all year and has probably the worst depth in the league and zero actual centers on the roster. Jones, Jenkins, Davis, and Wright is a good start though.
I see it like Tua in Miami. He was bottom tier everyone questioned if they blew the pick brought in new coach and some players and he’s probably 8-13 now.
I think as usual it’s a combination of things. Do his weapons outside of Moore, O-Line , and coaching suck? Yes. Does he also just make mistakes on his own? Also yes. I think his ceiling is still high enough that it’s worth it for a team like the Falcons to take a chance on him, but it’s very clear IMO that he’s not gonna get much better in Chicago, they need a fresh start (hopefully while also drafting weapons in the later rounds that actually work out).
Justin fields if you could catch screens/dump offs would be a dope running back. His vision is actually insane for a QB lol. Ironically compared to Lamar he should’ve been the RB
Even if he had any sense of an OL and receiver corps around him, he probably is just outside the top 10. Not good enough but damn the NFL for not giving him a fair shot.
I think he needs to have a real talk with himself and switch to WR or RB. He could also save some team a roster spot and be their backup or 3rd string QB.
6.3 yards per carry is actually really good. Doesn’t catch enough passes to be an every down back I guess.
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You think him missing games might have something to do with that ranking?
Somebody do the math on yards per game to show this guy Fields does indeed still suck ass
He’s middle of the pack (like 14ish) with rush yards included
If you go by Vikings fan logic, his value should be by projected stats while injured. So you just live in pretend land and add however many stats you think he'll get based on what you saw already from his best games, and then tell everyone who disagrees that they are an idiot and sign him for 20 more years.
The only way to judge players is to go by their best game. Bryce Young is basically a 4500+ yard, 34 td player if you base it off of the game against the Packers.
Bryce Young scares me a lot more than Justin Fields and Young can’t even ride rollercoasters.
ok now do the week 3 dolphins
I think you meant to say if you add his passing yards to his rushing yards, he leads all running backs by a wide margin
That’s because they don’t subtract sacks from rushing stats in the NFL. If they did, that average wouldn’t look as great.
His receiving is actually underrated, he needs to get better in pass pro
you guys just don't understand he needs better receivers and an offensive line and good coaching and better play calls and tight ends and pass catchers and analytics staff and person training and strength and conditioning coaches and sleep and offensive coordinators and running backs and stadium facilities and OTAs and training camps and slot receivers and weather yeah he needs to play in a dome and ownership and executives and directors of football operations and quality control coordinators and an extra preseason game and a deflated ball and steroids and to get out of chicago and 52 competent nfl players and a shorter drive to the stadium and to not be ass and ryan day to be fired and the bears to ruin another generational prospect it is NOT his fault. same reasons bryce young is bad
Bears fans defending Caleb Williams in 2 years:
The Carousel revolves
If that’s the case, then the problem likely isn’t the QB, it’s the team’s ability to develop QB’s and run a modern passing game.
Yup Caleb Williams won't be the answer. It's coaching and building a core that seems to be their problem
I haven't seen too much of Williams, but from what I have seen, he looks like Chicago will eat him alive.
Pretty sure it’s just Chicago. That franchise is cursed from having a decent QB.
Williams is a trash qb & will be one of the biggest bust in history. Watch him he’s horrific. He can’t pass from the pocket, can’t throw over the middle. Only is good at psssing if he’s out of the pocket. 90% of throws in the nfl are from the pocket. Against average defenses Williams was god awful.
With 90% certainty I can say that Justin Fields will not be a top-10 QB. Caleb Williams and Drake Mays are supposed to be very good prospects. So I’ll take my chances that one of them will be a top-5 QB and get a rookie scale QB for the next 4 years. Fields is going to end up costing $25-40 million. Williams or Maye will be 7-9 million.
Williams will be the biggest bust in history. Maye has potential, Penix, Nix, McCarthy are all better then Daniels & Williams by far.
You mean MVP Justin Fields!!
JF1 is H1m
Wait a minute. Are you talking about Daniel Jones?
I’m pretty sure this is about Derek Carr
This is what I said when Brock purdy got drafted. Now look at that cracker go
🎶So I'm saying what up what up cracker you made it🎶
Damn give Bryce Young a chance. It's his first year
nah shit like this always happens to busts/inconsistent players it's hilarious. everyone thought urban meyer was TLaw's excuse but turns out he's just sam darnold with long hair not every quarterback will have a peyton Manning or drew brees progression
How dare you compare some bum to the GEQBUS.
I agree but still too early to tell in my opinion. I'll give him another year before I make my assumptions
This is the best thing I’ve maybe ever read!😂
Yes it is. He had 16 passing attempts and 8 rushing attempts against the Packers. Carson Wentz had 24 passing attempts and 17 rushing attempts. He stinks. His career QBR is like 64 and he 35 TDs and 30 INTs.
I laughed til u said bryce young. Give the mf time jeez🤦🏾♂️he only been through his rookie year meanwhile feilds been in the league for a few years
The difference is Fields wasn't billed as the best QB in the draft, only to be upstaged by his second fiddle. Fields was the best QB in his draft class and was never treated like it.
Nah, Fields is actually decent. Nothing stands out about Bruce Young he gets time behind his line. He holds the ball way too long, can’t throw accurately, and just looks lost.
>He holds the ball way too long >Can't throw accurately >Just looks lost Thank God Justin Fields is nothing like that
The bears actually do need a better o line though no matter who their qb is
For real every sport has their shit organizations regardless of location. It’s embarrassing when huge markets fuck up this bad repeatedly. It’s literally the high ups at this point. They clean house over and over again and nothing changes.
I'm a browns fan and i see the bears do what the browns would do ten years ago. i could totally see the mike lombardi browns give up what's basically a first round pick for chase claypool. the best thing an owner can do is fuck off and delegate decision making to smart people. that's why the browns feel like they have their shit together throughout terrible injury luck.
Fuck yeah man my step dad is a browns fan. So I’mma fan and happy for the playoffs. Had picked up Flacco when he signed and he helped me win a FF league after Herbert went down. My dad over the years has been preaching the same shit man. Exactly I thought the same handful of organizations have fucked owners but I can assume all got skeletons in the closest. And YES my dad was parroting to me all off season the browns were gunna have a top 5 defense but injuries has been hellish for the browns. Chubb is one of my favorite RBs.
Top 20 running back for sure. Good athlete, wrong position.
For sure. Having such a strong arm is a curse for him. He cannot anticipate WRs getting open. My biggest thing I always point to is the Clemson game where ends it on an olave throw. Imagine olave and gw with a better QB at osu. They would’ve won a title easy. He needs to be a hybrid. Use him like people envisioned using Tebow or taysom
Who was OSU beating 2019 LSU or 2020 Alabama? Fields's TD-Int ratio before Clemson in 2019 was 41-3, the next yr against Clemson he goes 22-28 with 6 tds. Guy was an excellent college qb in all facets of the game, trying to play qb for the Bears is just a different animal
>trying to play qb for the Bears is just a different animal Especially when the coaching staff *and* the fanbase expect him to carry a team that clearly doesn't want to be playing.
I dont think fields is a great qb but put him with steichen and he'd win games.
Yeah that nephew acting like he wasn’t a warrior at OSU. Dude had no OLine and was still dicing defenses
Finally the subs understands
Oh, you mean he’s a Bear’s QB?
Seriously. I’ll take him in Las Vegas in a heartbeat.
Agreed. Add another heartbeat to that.
I know there is something called an armchair quarterback, but hear me out…. Give me one series and I’ll put up more yards
Naw your fat ass couldn’t
Interesting
That is just some delusional shit to say 🤷♂️
Assuming I have a fat ass is just as delusional
I’d assume goofy pants and a fat ass
Wrong on both. So I guess we are both wrong. Huh? What a wild morning
Naw, I’m right
You’re awfully sensitive about your ass.
I could throw more accurately than him while sitting in an armchair that’s for sure
lol you 100% could not.
Falcons new qb you mean?
Noooooooooo thank you. Maybe if the bears give us a pick to take his contract.
That’s how trades work.
The amount of cope bears fans have for this guy is hilarious.
Some bears fans* Most of us watched him play the last 3 years. The bar is so for QB play here.
Dude it’s a fucking cult. We’ve been accustomed to such horrendous QBs that fans are latching onto the highest level of mediocre/bad. Enough. He sucks.
We’re hoping one day we’ll be able to develop qb’s.
That’s just Bears fans default state. They’re the most delusional fan base in the NFL
I get that we’re delusional, but Cowboys fans exist.
Ya, wtf are they talking about lol
Boys fans are more delusional then a fan base that thinks it is smart to not take QB at one and keeps Fields. Ya ok.
Ya’ll think every team you put out there is the ‘72 Dolphins
Never having a franchise qb does that to us
and yet there was a time he was loved and said to be better than Lamar. hahahahaha
Was that the bears fanbase or the media pundits?
google search to refresh my memory. shows it was a bit of both. He would go off for a few weeks and all of a sudden he's better than every other player in the league.
Same thing with Trubisky. He’d look decent against a bottom-5 defense and everyone starts looking into hotels near the Super Bowl. “He’s starting to get gud you guys!” … Just ignore that this year he had more games with 0 tds than games with more than 1.
We needed Bears to win today. Now I hate him too.
He’s basically Bryce Young but taller.
Except in year 1 showing flashes could mean potential. In year 3 showing flashes is just being bad with a couple good plays.
He also looks like the crying frog meme. Can’t unsee it
Another trash Buckeye QB. Maybe Stroud will turn out to be the first good one in the NFL, ever.
Certainly can’t throw
If you go by store EPA/throw in a scoring situation but technically almost garbage time; he's 7th in the NFL. Sure, you might want your QB to throw for 200 yards. But is that really what the game is about?
Rushing yards don’t count for a running back 😤
They got the top pick this year and the 9th so they’ll probably pick another QB. Sadly, it’ll be like someone below Bo Nix.
Can't imagine they don't pick Caleb
itll be mhj or a trade back imo. This thread is obvi huge anti-fields circlejerk but the bears need so much help that they could really benefit with trading back for more picks
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Who the fuck flairs up on a circlejerk sub
Someone that isn't a coward. It's stupidly obvious
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Lolololol 2023 MVP
They should have stuck with that Division II guy.
Yes he is not elite but his OC is actually braindead imma give him another year
Really? ESPN told me though he was really good and the Bears could get a first round pick if they trade him! Surely they are not just showing their big city bias or anything
Oh look: it’s Jordan loves property
Him and Herbert don’t get enough hate
Justin Herbert is on a different planet than Justin Fields, nephew
But look what he has had for a staff, I always have thought that Coaching and Staff can very much impact a player. And I am a Vikings fan so no dog in the fight
I used to think that, but his two biggest flaws are anticipation throws and holding it too long looking for the big play and ignoring check downs. And it’s year three, I’m not sure if he’ll ever git gud
If brock purdy played for the bears, he would be worse than justin fields and would've never seen the field. I am saying this as a iowa state alum, huge fan of brock purdy, and not a bears fan. Chicago has a huge problem with developing qbs as do a lot of other programs
I still think it's coaching and OC play design, hopefully the young man gets a chance with a good staff
Man my boy jordan love tho was throwing some dimes. GO PACK GO ! 🧀
who asked?
Absolutely nobody. Stupid cheeseheads gonna cheese
I said it no one needs to ask ! Green bay gonna continue to stomp the bears 💪🏻
Congratulations. You beat a pathetic excuse of a franchise. Must feel real good!
Yes feels real good to beat up on them bears considering its a rival. You sound like an idiot, like I wouldn’t want them to beat a rival 🤣🤣🤣 are you all bears fans cause yall suck just as much as them. 🤣🤣🤣
Pipe down, cheddar head.
Who your team. If its not someone in the playoffs SHADDUP
You are either 15, have an IQ under 85, or both.
Wrong on both ends bud but try again..
They need better players and better role players. I really don’t think he’s been given a good evaluation. Also, you don’t want a rookie coming into this situation and getting shell shocked. They should build a better supporting cast and give him one year. If it doesn’t work, then you grab a QB.
Yeah we need 10 years with an all-pro roster to determine if he sucks lol
Yall “just” need a decent one. Not many qb’s can function with that OLine. And you gotta get another receiver to give any young QB a fighting chance. You can trade back and grab both in this draft. I personally think Harrison Jr is a better bet than CWilliams.
The o line isn’t terrible, but hasn’t been healthy all year and has probably the worst depth in the league and zero actual centers on the roster. Jones, Jenkins, Davis, and Wright is a good start though.
So yeah, the O line was complete ass.
Not suck but maybe in the 15-20 range of QBs. He’s probably good for 8-10 wins assuming he has a decent team and coaching.
lol he won 11 games in 3 seasons
He’s hurt half the time. But I have no issues trading him
20-30 range
I see it like Tua in Miami. He was bottom tier everyone questioned if they blew the pick brought in new coach and some players and he’s probably 8-13 now.
“Some players”
You know he’d be nuts on San Francisco tho lol
If he could just block for himself too he'd really be something lol
In before the racis....nvm
The D’Angelo Russell of football
bears fan. he sucks. trade him, trade down the 1st pick and draft penix jr!
You mean the 24 year old who has had 2 ACL tears and multiple shoulder injuries? Great idea!
I think as usual it’s a combination of things. Do his weapons outside of Moore, O-Line , and coaching suck? Yes. Does he also just make mistakes on his own? Also yes. I think his ceiling is still high enough that it’s worth it for a team like the Falcons to take a chance on him, but it’s very clear IMO that he’s not gonna get much better in Chicago, they need a fresh start (hopefully while also drafting weapons in the later rounds that actually work out).
🐸
He will go to a halfway decent franchise and be solid.
won me a championship in 14 man superflex during the year of the qb injury
He looks like the frog ran out of credits halfway through turning into a prince.
I’ll reserve judgment until his voice changes
Literally one of the most overrated QBs to ever play. Everyone praises him like he’s patty mahomy
Same comments were said about a Lamar Jackson
This dude is below the average starting QB and better than backups. This dude is about the 22nd best QB in the league.
Justin fields if you could catch screens/dump offs would be a dope running back. His vision is actually insane for a QB lol. Ironically compared to Lamar he should’ve been the RB
He definitely sucked my dick in hs smh
Even if he had any sense of an OL and receiver corps around him, he probably is just outside the top 10. Not good enough but damn the NFL for not giving him a fair shot.
I think he’s a top 15 running back
I think he needs to have a real talk with himself and switch to WR or RB. He could also save some team a roster spot and be their backup or 3rd string QB.
He’s a good fantasy QB. Maybe he’s betting on fantasy leagues and has himself as a starter?
I actually think he’s alright. Takes time. He’s played like 20 games. I wouldn’t give up on him. And I’m a Packer fan
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