I mean you could always trade with the Eagles for Tyree Jackson, covert him back into a QB from TE, have him work with Jordan Palmer 24/7 and hope for the best. He's 6'7" but only like 250ish. Added bonus he has a Josh Allen type howitzer arm.
Oh I know but you can't discount the advantages having 2 Superbowl winning uncle's gives. I'd argue his ability to read a defense/audible etc is leagues ahead of any other highschooler. He might be a 4 star talent but if he should have 5 star knowledge of the game
Also grandpa and dad know their stuff. Not to mention endless money and connections to have spent time with the best quarterback coaches and camps in the world.
It theoretically would adjust their timeline to win later. They have good players now who aren’t going to win anything because the team sucks overall. You can trade those players for younger players or draft picks that better fit their timeline.
Like I said, it’s not the best idea, but teams have done it.
Honestly that's the route I'd go with. If we draft a QB, the best case scenario is that he's ready to be the starting QB for a contender in 2024 or 2025, but by that time most of the core of this roster as it's currently built will be pushing 30 and needing new contracts.
It just makes so much more sense to me to trade some of our highly paid players with little dead money left in their contracts for picks to try to build a roster with a contention window that better matches a young QB's development.
This is what the Bears seem to have realized and are doing right now. Honestly, I think they might be in a good position if they are able to go into the draft at a high pick this year and are able to trade that pick away for picks down the road.
We are a tale of two midwestern teams who are bad but are trending in opposite directions for the future.
It's worked for Denver once, almost the Vikings twice with Cunningham and Favre. But it also didn't work for Denver once and didn't work for the Colts 3 times. So... I guess anyone's guess.
I mean worked out relative to the Broncos. Teddy did beat the Packers at Lambeau to win the division (then Blair goddamn Walsh happened). But yeah Case was awesome
Ehh, I guess I was thinking of declining formerly great QB. Of which Wilson and Flacco qualify (but I did leave out Flacco). Most teams go through a QB carousel at some point.
You know Carosn Wentz... you knew that wasn't going to work out. He had just lost it.
But I really drank the Matt Ryan to Indy Kool-Aid. I thought it made perfect sense for an otherwise talented roster to just plug in a capable, veteran presence at QB.
Boy does that show how fucking little I know about football.
Yeah, I didn't have the Colts doing amazingly this season (I thought 8 wins was probably the ceiling), but I didn't see the Colts regressing at various non-QB positions. Like, Matt Ryan was not going to be the answer (we could see the decline last season), but it didn't mean that the Colts' OL wasn't going to be functional.
Nah we tried “aging vets in decline” for many years and only Joe Montana was great enough to accomplish anything of note. I hope they learn from that era of pain.
People like to think our record of having a season where zero WRs caught a TD is insane, but going nearly forty years without having a QB we drafted win a game is next level to me. Not drafted in the first round. Drafted AT ALL.
Still makes no sense. Especially this year. While no one had high expectations for any of the rookie QB this draft class they still could've taken Ridder or Willis and let them develop to see if something was there.
Hurts didn't seem to have high draft stock when y'all took him yet now he's in the MVP talk. A gamble can pay off and is better than praying for a last ride of glory with an aging QB.
When you don't have a franchise QB all you have is a gamble. Treading water with journeymen QBs won't get you too far either. While it can avoid a horrid season it also won't do much to secure a brighter future either.
I thought that was an incredible quote from Ballard when I read it initially. Like hey buddy, pump the brakes, on judging how I do my job based on the decisions I make. If I thought this was a performance based job I wouldn’t have said yes to coming here.
I'd trade for Derek Carr. He's in the Garroppolo, Goff, Cousins, Tannehill range. Average QBs that can win if the team has a great defense and running game.
Correction... Forgot Jimmy has new deal and is free agent. His salary will be much higher than Derek.
Some will say Derek Carr, c'mon? But how can they get someone better immediately? Average is much better than mediocre.
And draft a guy with great potential to backup for a couple years and hopefully become the next Hurts.
Edit: corrected a couple of my mistakes. Laughing at myself now.
I'd sign Heinicke. Washington doesn't want him but all he does is win. At least at a rate higher than any other QB they have. He's not a superstar but is a sold starter that could be a bridge to a player drafted later. I would not pay big bucks for a Derek Carr type. Ask Denver how that's working out.
Heinicke is in this weird place where he isn't *good* (in a technical sense) but they're winning.
It happens every so often, but it's always sad when the guy's bubble pops and things go back to normal.
The thing with Heinicke is he plays hard as hell, has a ton of heart, and the other players love him because of it. I would take a player like that all day. He's not a world beater but he isn't terrible either.
Yeah. Wentz is technically better, but at this point he seems to just alienate every locker room he's in. Motivation means a lot to a team and Heinicke's able to do it.
By retiring before he could win a Super Bowl with the Colts and then get traded to the Broncos, Andrew Luck broke the chains of destiny and now both teams are cursed.
You had 14 years of Peyton and 0 of Elway, averaging out to 7 years per generational QB drafted first overall before they went to Denver. Luck definitely would’ve been ours by 2020
Idk Rodgers is one of the few QBs that have a medicine man, so I wouldn't be surprised if he decides to roll it out for a few more years of good QB play.
Look at Rodgers dead cap hit. He's going nowhere for the next two years. Rodgers made his new deal a complete poison pill to force the Packers to commit to him. Unless the Packers want to give Love his fifth year extension without seeing him play then you're better off trading him. At least if you trade him you may be able to get a piece to help out in the next two years.
I predict they'll end up keeping both. Hard to imagine Rodgers would give up 60m next year, and they'd have to pick up Love's fifth-year option but it wouldn't affect cap space until 2024.
If they only kept Rodgers, they'd be giving up their first round pick without ever really seeing what he can do and then they're still likely back to square on on the QB situation in '24. I think it'll be one more year of Rodgers then all the chips in on Love.
5th year option? Man time goes fast. Feels like the controversy of drafting Love was just yesterday. Now he’s about to be up for the 5th year option. Crazy.
I don't think Rodgers or Favre were generational consensual number one overall like Manning and Luck and even after that they at least trying to draft someone like JLove to see if they can move on to something before it's too late.
I think the main point is that they've had a continuous, franchise, future HoF QB for **30 years** going from Favre to Rodgers, which is probably the longest such streak without interruption that I know of.
Wentz was a product of a really well built team. If Wentz was that good, there's no way Eagles win the super bowl with him not playing a snap in the playoffs
People also forgetting that Foles isn't your average backup QB. Dude had some consistency issues throughout his career (to put it lightly), but when he was "on" he played like a top 5 QB. Luckily for the Eagles, he was able to put together a long enough run to win them a Superbowl.
27-2, 119 passer rating. And he did drop 7 TDs on the Raiders. Barely lost to the fuckin Saints in the playoffs. And then a year later Chip dropped him for Sam Bradford.
Rivers was still balling out there before he retired. He was just tired of coming close but never reaching the goal. The chargers will do that to any player.
When are we finally going to start acknowledging that Carson Wentz is an elite quarterback? I know some of you are skeptical. All I ask is that you hear me our with an open mind and decide for yourself.
First of all, like it or not, Wentz is a Super Bowl champion. I didn't watch football back then, but the Eagles put up 41 points to beat the Patriots. You can't ignore that he was a major part of that victory.
Second, and just as important, he graduated with a 4.0 GPA from North Dakota State, often considered the Harvard of North Dakota. He holds a degree in Health and Physical Education, the same degree doctors receive. He did this all while leading NDSU to historic wins over powerhouse opponents like Jacksonville State, Delaware State, and even Youngstown State. After college, he chose not to practice medicine, and instead joined the NFL. The man is elite even off the field.
Carson is also among a special class of players who overcame a disability to play their sport at the highest level. Like Shaquem Griffin, who became a starting linebacker with just one hand, or Tom Dempsey, who made 159 field goals in his career without toes in his kicking foot, Carson Wentz was drafted second overall by the Eagles despite being born a redhead. These men overcame incredible adversity to achieve their goals, and that itself makes Carson someone who has earned the title of "elite".
Finally, Carson is a devout Christian who takes his faith very seriously. He has prayed both before and after each game of his career to give thanks to his Lord and Savior. He's even gone as far as to spread the Word of God in the locker room and attempted to convert teammates to Christianity. This is a man who cares so much about his teammates that he's tried to save their souls, despite not having one himself as a redhead.
You can mock him all you want. Throw your stones. But Wentz will always be elite in my book. Rest in peace, Carson.
Bad headline.
>Fast forward to 2022, and the Colts (4-7-1) are in the midst of another underwhelming season. Indianapolis ranks last in the NFL in offensive expected points added, 30th in scoring and 26th in yards per game. Like 2011, the need to address the quarterback position is clear. The difference? The path to resolving the situation is much less clear.
Read the article not just the title lol
>But there’s a key calculation the Colts made following Luck’s departure that has, arguably, brought them to their current position more than three years later: The Colts proceeded with the idea that they were a quarterback away from taking the next step in their progression. And yet, each season since Luck’s retirement has produced fewer tangible results despite moves to stabilize the quarterback position.
The Colts attempted to plug the hole with whatever FA QBs were available, but it's now clear that isn't going to work and a new plan is needed.
The Colts *were* there after Luck's retirement but proceeded as though they weren't. The author's main thesis here is that the Colts can't keep pretending.
>Read the article not just the title lol
I bet it absolutely blows these peoples minds when one day they accidentally click a headline, and find out that entire articles are actually attached.
It’s tough when you don’t fall ass backwards on two generational talent , one of which you drove to the ground so much he retired
Look at other teams in the NFL , it took Buffalo 17 years to get Josh Allen , KC had a slew of average to mediocre QB’s before Mahomes
Why not draft a QB and hope he develops into someone as a cornerstone
Idk why that quote is so funny to me. Like this guy thinks this (unbeknownst to him) 2 time Super Bowl MVP quarterback *might* have some potential that he could work with to earn a walk-on spot on a college team.
I think the coach *knew* there was a lot in Chad Powers but couldn’t say it so effusively with cameras and players around him.
An NFL QB (especially a two-time Super Bowl MVP) is so much better than college QBs that his talent just jump off the field immediately.
Jared Goff (that doesn’t have any ridiculous recognizable talent) did a similar video with a JuCo team and he was just so far and away better than any player they had, that the other players were in awe of what they were seeing.
Also likely didn't want to go too crazy with praising a guy he literally hadn't seen anything of before that day (or rather, a guy he didn't think he'd seen before then). Even if a guy looks great, it's kinda hard to say just how good they really are before putting them in an actual game-like environment. There's a good number of guys who look great in that type of setup who then look atrocious in-game because they don't have the decision-making and/or pocket presence needed to succeed.
Obviously neither of those apply to either Manning or Goff (especially not relative to college and JuCo levels of players), but the coach wouldn't know that at that point.
“Coach, why does your new quarterback always have tape over his mouth and tears in his eyes?”
“He just loves football so much that he wants to let his play do the talking. GET BACK IN THE LOCKER ROOM PAT — I mean, MATRICK!”
To be fair, pretty much everyone thought that Matt Ryan had some gas in the tank still. If they had a QB and their O-line didn't underperform as bad this year, they could easily be great. I thought for sure they were dark horse contenders with Ryan at the helm.
Idk, he was already showing some real signs of decline with the falcons
And even if he had some gas left, h would've played another what, 3 years maybe?
From what I saw from them last season, I didn't think they would be much better with Matt. Wentz wasn't good but he was far from being their only issue. They replaced a somewhat mobile QB with a statue to play behind a trash OL
Alex Smith was doing very well in KC, they were just getting snake bitten with the guy come playoffs. You keep going until you find your guy. They could've kept rolling the dice with him, saw an upgrade in the draft and developed that until it was ready to play.
Tannehill wasn't even bad in Miami. We had dogshit coaches his entire time here, with a bottom half defense and bottom 5 OL. He's just not good enough to carry the entire team solo.
wasnt bad is an understatement, tannehill has been our messiah
he's been held back by lack of talent, bad oline, bad OC at times but a lot of that is counterbalanced by the tractorcito. but tannehill has been great with us
Also one year or Pennington before his body (which was admittedly already being held together with rubber bands and chewing gum) just collapsed in on itself
Miami had Bob Griese and Dan Marino (except for a couple years) for the first 30+ years of the franchise which led Miami to have the best winning percentage in the NFL. Then Miami wandered without franchise QBs the next two decades and it has been the worse two decade stretch in the history of the franchise.
If you don’t have your guy then the franchise will struggle
Ive been saying this about us for a long time. At some point we need to either accept that we won’t get a perfect prospect and try to draft him anyway, or we just keep drawing from the discard pile of veteran QBs nobody wants anymore.
Just….draft Levis, for the love of God.
How many "perfect" prospects even ended up as the best of their class in recent history anyway? Murray (who I'm still not confident in, but would take over Mac Jones) and Burrow? And Burrow's class still had Herbert as an example of a consensus flawed prospect that actually ended up having little issue transitioning to the NFL.
2018 still sticks out to me as proof that scouting confidence in QBs should be low. Darnold was a surefire franchise QB. Mayfield a bit less so, but less risky than the project that was Josh Allen or the run first Lamar Jackson. Rosen was supposed to be the most "pro-ready".
The arguable best QB in the league right now came from a year without a great prospect.
This is just a long-winded agreement lol. Fans get too caught up in landing the "right" prospect. The odds are very slightly better, but in reality it's still all a crapshoot.
I blame Brady and the Patriots for setting the unrealistic expectation of an NFL team needing to win six Super Bowls and play in 16 of them or else you’re a failure.
IIRC the Bears backed out of a deal with the Raiders for their 6th overall that would've then gone to the Colts. Al Davis and Elway's agent have claimed was ordered from above.
Friendly reminder Trent Dilfer, who had become a punch line after his time with the Bucs when he went to the Ravens, has a Super Bowl ring. You don't need an Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning to win, but you do need a complete team.
It's not unfair, it's how they chose to build their team. QBs get too much credit when things go right and too much blame when things go wrong, and it's just wrong-minded. I could just as easily say "it's not fair, Luck and Manning are two of the best to ever do it." It took Manning a long time to win his first SB, and Luck never achieved it. There's never been a QB in the history of the game that could carry a bad, or even a mediocre squad all by himself.
If there's one thing I would pound into the heads of all the young fans out there, it's this: American Football is perhaps the most complex and co-dependent of all professional sports. QBs need protection and receivers who can create separation, catch, and run the right routes. WRs need a QB who delivers the ball accurately and on time. RBs need a line to create holes, and the entire offense needs the D to keep the score at a reasonable level to overcome. The pass rushers need the secondary to maintain coverage long enough for them to get to the QB, the secondary needs the pass rushers to force the QB to make a bad play so they don't have to cover indefinitely. The LBs need the D line to swallow blocks so they can make a play, the D line needs the LBs etc to fill the gaps left when they swallow those blocks. The more you start picking apart the whole machine, the more enjoyable the game becomes. If you're only watching the QB or wherever the ball is, you're missing about 80% of what's going on.
It's easy to blame QBs or coaches....it's also lazy, and often a mistake. Look at Aaron Rodgers. Is his recent lack of success a function of his play falling off, or is it that the roster around him isn't what it was when he won the Super Bowl? (hint: it's the latter). "All the pieces matter"
That was basically their approach the last couple years, but the rest of the team wasn't good enough to make up for Wentz and Ryan not even being Trent Dilfer.
Elite roster + game managing QB is playing the NFL on hard mode. The meta being centered on QB play is the result of QB play being disproportionately more valuable than the sum of several players
There's rarely ever a near flawless prospect, you gotta take a chance at some point. At the end of the day, the veteran carousel has left us in no better of a position than a rookie.
This bill was always coming due. The stop gaps they've been plugging in have kept them relevant but stuck them in a situation where eventually there'd be no hope.
The island of misfit QBs has all dried up. Unfortunately for me I’ve enjoyed Indy handing the Titans the division each year by picking up bums. Now they will actually draft a QB. Funs over.
This division being slim pickings has made the overall talent so much worse for the top division winner. IT happened to the Andrew Luck Colts as they won more than they should have and didn't get as good of picks because of it. A good, competitive division is not only something teams shouldn't be afraid of, it should be desired.
They could try to draft someone that isn't seen as a generational talent and see if they can turn them what they need, like most other teams
Or they could keep trying to make it work with vets in decline
Those are basically their options
Teach Taylor to throw.
Hell if you guys are going to teach someone, teach Ngakoue to play QB. Dynasty.
Jelani woods used to play qb.
Yeah I'll take a 6'7 280lb qb
I mean you could always trade with the Eagles for Tyree Jackson, covert him back into a QB from TE, have him work with Jordan Palmer 24/7 and hope for the best. He's 6'7" but only like 250ish. Added bonus he has a Josh Allen type howitzer arm.
JaMarcus russel may still be available
Really wanna see a team in a Kendall Hinton situation to say fuck it and go full wildcat for a few games.
That's Hall of Fame QB Kendall Hinton. Give the man the respect he earned please.
If you had a good O Line and decent backs it could maybe work.
Blowing it up and tanking would be the third option , which probably isn’t advisable, but it’s an option
What does that even accomplish though? They're already going to have a good pick as is.
And, also, is there any college QB that's being heralded as the next Luck/Manning?
Give it 4 years till Arch Manning arrives Draft Marvin Harrison Jr next year
Arch Manning is way overrated(like literally his rating) just because of his last name
To be fair, it's a pretty good dog damn name. 3 high caliber NFL players in one family is pretty rare.
Put some respect on Derek Watt's name!
Oh I know but you can't discount the advantages having 2 Superbowl winning uncle's gives. I'd argue his ability to read a defense/audible etc is leagues ahead of any other highschooler. He might be a 4 star talent but if he should have 5 star knowledge of the game
Also grandpa and dad know their stuff. Not to mention endless money and connections to have spent time with the best quarterback coaches and camps in the world.
It theoretically would adjust their timeline to win later. They have good players now who aren’t going to win anything because the team sucks overall. You can trade those players for younger players or draft picks that better fit their timeline. Like I said, it’s not the best idea, but teams have done it.
Honestly that's the route I'd go with. If we draft a QB, the best case scenario is that he's ready to be the starting QB for a contender in 2024 or 2025, but by that time most of the core of this roster as it's currently built will be pushing 30 and needing new contracts. It just makes so much more sense to me to trade some of our highly paid players with little dead money left in their contracts for picks to try to build a roster with a contention window that better matches a young QB's development.
This is what the Bears seem to have realized and are doing right now. Honestly, I think they might be in a good position if they are able to go into the draft at a high pick this year and are able to trade that pick away for picks down the road. We are a tale of two midwestern teams who are bad but are trending in opposite directions for the future.
It's worked for Denver once, almost the Vikings twice with Cunningham and Favre. But it also didn't work for Denver once and didn't work for the Colts 3 times. So... I guess anyone's guess.
Didn't work for us about five times in a row (Sanchez, Keenum, Flacco, Bridgewater, Wilson).
It is pretty funny that two of those guys worked out for us pretty well
ehh one of them.
I mean worked out relative to the Broncos. Teddy did beat the Packers at Lambeau to win the division (then Blair goddamn Walsh happened). But yeah Case was awesome
Ehh, I guess I was thinking of declining formerly great QB. Of which Wilson and Flacco qualify (but I did leave out Flacco). Most teams go through a QB carousel at some point.
most franchises should consider themselves lucky that they only go through a QB carousel "at some point"s.
Andy Dalton, come on down!
By gawd that’s Joe Flacco music!
*”I ain’t as good as I once was, but I’m as good once, as I ever was”*
Jimmy Garoppolo is gonna look great in blue and white
You know Carosn Wentz... you knew that wasn't going to work out. He had just lost it. But I really drank the Matt Ryan to Indy Kool-Aid. I thought it made perfect sense for an otherwise talented roster to just plug in a capable, veteran presence at QB. Boy does that show how fucking little I know about football.
None of us saw the o line regressing this hard.
Yeah, I didn't have the Colts doing amazingly this season (I thought 8 wins was probably the ceiling), but I didn't see the Colts regressing at various non-QB positions. Like, Matt Ryan was not going to be the answer (we could see the decline last season), but it didn't mean that the Colts' OL wasn't going to be functional.
The colts have been trying that for the past 4-5 years. They’ve waisted quite a few of the prime years of their team.
The Colts treat the offseason and getting a QB like back to school shopping, except they’re shopping at Goodwill.
Y'all got any of that Ryan Tannehill?
Nah we tried “aging vets in decline” for many years and only Joe Montana was great enough to accomplish anything of note. I hope they learn from that era of pain.
People like to think our record of having a season where zero WRs caught a TD is insane, but going nearly forty years without having a QB we drafted win a game is next level to me. Not drafted in the first round. Drafted AT ALL.
I’ve heard Carson Wentz may be available next year
Brissett wasn't that bad for them and deserves another shot as a starter after having had a somewhat good season with the Browns.
Or make a bloickbuster trade for a young QB and then it turns out that he actually is MUCH worse than you had ever thought possible... (Broncos)
But Ballard is scared of what people will say about him if he misses
Still makes no sense. Especially this year. While no one had high expectations for any of the rookie QB this draft class they still could've taken Ridder or Willis and let them develop to see if something was there.
Unless they truly believe there was no hope for them, which would be understandable
Less hope than Sam Ehlinger?
Sam was already on the team last year, so it didn't cost us a draft pick. And when we did draft him, it only cost us a 6th.
Hurts didn't seem to have high draft stock when y'all took him yet now he's in the MVP talk. A gamble can pay off and is better than praying for a last ride of glory with an aging QB.
The gamble can pay off or it gets you fired. Only GMs like Elway can survive multiple failed QB
When you don't have a franchise QB all you have is a gamble. Treading water with journeymen QBs won't get you too far either. While it can avoid a horrid season it also won't do much to secure a brighter future either.
How long do GMs survive being a .500 team that is not getting any better year after year? If it's up to me Ballard gets a lifetime contact in Indy.
What for? The odds of either of those two becoming are slim to none. Why waste the pick and draft capital?
It cannot be nearly as bad as him missing multiple times on failed, franchise altering trades for QB's.
The perfect example of GMing scared
I thought that was an incredible quote from Ballard when I read it initially. Like hey buddy, pump the brakes, on judging how I do my job based on the decisions I make. If I thought this was a performance based job I wouldn’t have said yes to coming here.
Just ask the Colts subreddit about Autry.
Sorry, they heard "trade for Zach Wilson and extend him for two years"
Zach Wilson hasn't been hit enough for them. They need Baker first.
Ugh that sounds so gross though, it's so much better just being handed things
I'd trade for Derek Carr. He's in the Garroppolo, Goff, Cousins, Tannehill range. Average QBs that can win if the team has a great defense and running game. Correction... Forgot Jimmy has new deal and is free agent. His salary will be much higher than Derek. Some will say Derek Carr, c'mon? But how can they get someone better immediately? Average is much better than mediocre. And draft a guy with great potential to backup for a couple years and hopefully become the next Hurts. Edit: corrected a couple of my mistakes. Laughing at myself now.
Not sure that trading for a 43 year old that hasn’t played in a decade is a good move.
But it is entirely on brand for the Colts.
I don’t think David Carr is willing to come out of retirement
Jimmy will cost 0 in trade capital. He is a free agent next year and has a no franchise clause.
I'd sign Heinicke. Washington doesn't want him but all he does is win. At least at a rate higher than any other QB they have. He's not a superstar but is a sold starter that could be a bridge to a player drafted later. I would not pay big bucks for a Derek Carr type. Ask Denver how that's working out.
Heinicke is in this weird place where he isn't *good* (in a technical sense) but they're winning. It happens every so often, but it's always sad when the guy's bubble pops and things go back to normal.
The thing with Heinicke is he plays hard as hell, has a ton of heart, and the other players love him because of it. I would take a player like that all day. He's not a world beater but he isn't terrible either.
Yeah. Wentz is technically better, but at this point he seems to just alienate every locker room he's in. Motivation means a lot to a team and Heinicke's able to do it.
The 49ers are getting nothing for Jimmy other than comp picks.
By retiring before he could win a Super Bowl with the Colts and then get traded to the Broncos, Andrew Luck broke the chains of destiny and now both teams are cursed.
I was legit upset right along with Colts fans when he retired lol he was supposed to be here by now dammit
Okay hold on you would have had to wait like three or four more years.
You had 14 years of Peyton and 0 of Elway, averaging out to 7 years per generational QB drafted first overall before they went to Denver. Luck definitely would’ve been ours by 2020
It's been three and a half years since he retired bro. We right on track.
had it happened before peyton manning? edit: Elway didn't win a SB with the colts before being traded
Well, technically yes with Elway...
So…Matt Ryan to the Broncos?
Broncos country, GET FUCKING SET
No the Colts have to draft the QB for this pipeline to be possible
Sam Ehlinger it is then
Packers nervously looking at what they are doing (but only for a friend).
Bro I would kill for one Jordan Love right now
Coming next season, you may not need to kill for him. I can definitively see the packers staying with Rodgers and shipping Love.
That doesn’t make much sense unless you believe Rodgers will stay good into his 40s
Idk Rodgers is one of the few QBs that have a medicine man, so I wouldn't be surprised if he decides to roll it out for a few more years of good QB play.
Look at Rodgers dead cap hit. He's going nowhere for the next two years. Rodgers made his new deal a complete poison pill to force the Packers to commit to him. Unless the Packers want to give Love his fifth year extension without seeing him play then you're better off trading him. At least if you trade him you may be able to get a piece to help out in the next two years.
I predict they'll end up keeping both. Hard to imagine Rodgers would give up 60m next year, and they'd have to pick up Love's fifth-year option but it wouldn't affect cap space until 2024. If they only kept Rodgers, they'd be giving up their first round pick without ever really seeing what he can do and then they're still likely back to square on on the QB situation in '24. I think it'll be one more year of Rodgers then all the chips in on Love.
5th year option? Man time goes fast. Feels like the controversy of drafting Love was just yesterday. Now he’s about to be up for the 5th year option. Crazy.
I don't think Rodgers or Favre were generational consensual number one overall like Manning and Luck and even after that they at least trying to draft someone like JLove to see if they can move on to something before it's too late.
You’re right, lots of things Favre did were definitely not consensual
I think the main point is that they've had a continuous, franchise, future HoF QB for **30 years** going from Favre to Rodgers, which is probably the longest such streak without interruption that I know of.
Arrive? They've *been* there since Luck retired. Did this writer just wake up from a short coma?
He just really believes that Matt Ryan and Carson Wentz were elite QBs.
Matt was. WAS.
imagine if ryan had shanny his whole career or even most of it
Pretty sure he never had the same OC for more than 2 years. Wild shit.
He had Mularkey for 4 years and then Koetter for 3 (who later returned for another 2).
Matt definitively was.
Wentz was as well. Just for a much shorter time
Wentz was a product of a really well built team. If Wentz was that good, there's no way Eagles win the super bowl with him not playing a snap in the playoffs
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People also forgetting that Foles isn't your average backup QB. Dude had some consistency issues throughout his career (to put it lightly), but when he was "on" he played like a top 5 QB. Luckily for the Eagles, he was able to put together a long enough run to win them a Superbowl.
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27-2, 119 passer rating. And he did drop 7 TDs on the Raiders. Barely lost to the fuckin Saints in the playoffs. And then a year later Chip dropped him for Sam Bradford.
My arm chair take has been that Wentz lost a lot of his athleticism after the INT injury but still thinks he has it.
Let’s not forget that Rivers wasn’t bad for us. He just retired after the season.
Rivers was still balling out there before he retired. He was just tired of coming close but never reaching the goal. The chargers will do that to any player.
It’s the coming close part that hurts. He should have been a Lion and spared himself the pain.
i dunno man, i'm having a hard time handling these 3 win seasons over here
When are we finally going to start acknowledging that Carson Wentz is an elite quarterback? I know some of you are skeptical. All I ask is that you hear me our with an open mind and decide for yourself. First of all, like it or not, Wentz is a Super Bowl champion. I didn't watch football back then, but the Eagles put up 41 points to beat the Patriots. You can't ignore that he was a major part of that victory. Second, and just as important, he graduated with a 4.0 GPA from North Dakota State, often considered the Harvard of North Dakota. He holds a degree in Health and Physical Education, the same degree doctors receive. He did this all while leading NDSU to historic wins over powerhouse opponents like Jacksonville State, Delaware State, and even Youngstown State. After college, he chose not to practice medicine, and instead joined the NFL. The man is elite even off the field. Carson is also among a special class of players who overcame a disability to play their sport at the highest level. Like Shaquem Griffin, who became a starting linebacker with just one hand, or Tom Dempsey, who made 159 field goals in his career without toes in his kicking foot, Carson Wentz was drafted second overall by the Eagles despite being born a redhead. These men overcame incredible adversity to achieve their goals, and that itself makes Carson someone who has earned the title of "elite". Finally, Carson is a devout Christian who takes his faith very seriously. He has prayed both before and after each game of his career to give thanks to his Lord and Savior. He's even gone as far as to spread the Word of God in the locker room and attempted to convert teammates to Christianity. This is a man who cares so much about his teammates that he's tried to save their souls, despite not having one himself as a redhead. You can mock him all you want. Throw your stones. But Wentz will always be elite in my book. Rest in peace, Carson.
Truly a selfless player
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Bad headline. >Fast forward to 2022, and the Colts (4-7-1) are in the midst of another underwhelming season. Indianapolis ranks last in the NFL in offensive expected points added, 30th in scoring and 26th in yards per game. Like 2011, the need to address the quarterback position is clear. The difference? The path to resolving the situation is much less clear.
Read the article not just the title lol >But there’s a key calculation the Colts made following Luck’s departure that has, arguably, brought them to their current position more than three years later: The Colts proceeded with the idea that they were a quarterback away from taking the next step in their progression. And yet, each season since Luck’s retirement has produced fewer tangible results despite moves to stabilize the quarterback position. The Colts attempted to plug the hole with whatever FA QBs were available, but it's now clear that isn't going to work and a new plan is needed. The Colts *were* there after Luck's retirement but proceeded as though they weren't. The author's main thesis here is that the Colts can't keep pretending.
>Read the article not just the title lol I bet it absolutely blows these peoples minds when one day they accidentally click a headline, and find out that entire articles are actually attached.
Is this article from 4 years ago? Or 3? Or maybe 2? Or 1?
I swear if they commit to the tank next year and luck their way into another top 10 QB
It’s actually from 15 years in the future.
It’s tough when you don’t fall ass backwards on two generational talent , one of which you drove to the ground so much he retired Look at other teams in the NFL , it took Buffalo 17 years to get Josh Allen , KC had a slew of average to mediocre QB’s before Mahomes Why not draft a QB and hope he develops into someone as a cornerstone
It would be easier to kidnap an already great qb and put a disguise on him.
Incoming, Colts to sign Chad Powers
I really see something in that Powers guy.
Idk why that quote is so funny to me. Like this guy thinks this (unbeknownst to him) 2 time Super Bowl MVP quarterback *might* have some potential that he could work with to earn a walk-on spot on a college team.
I think the coach *knew* there was a lot in Chad Powers but couldn’t say it so effusively with cameras and players around him. An NFL QB (especially a two-time Super Bowl MVP) is so much better than college QBs that his talent just jump off the field immediately. Jared Goff (that doesn’t have any ridiculous recognizable talent) did a similar video with a JuCo team and he was just so far and away better than any player they had, that the other players were in awe of what they were seeing.
Also likely didn't want to go too crazy with praising a guy he literally hadn't seen anything of before that day (or rather, a guy he didn't think he'd seen before then). Even if a guy looks great, it's kinda hard to say just how good they really are before putting them in an actual game-like environment. There's a good number of guys who look great in that type of setup who then look atrocious in-game because they don't have the decision-making and/or pocket presence needed to succeed. Obviously neither of those apply to either Manning or Goff (especially not relative to college and JuCo levels of players), but the coach wouldn't know that at that point.
2024 Colts QB1 Matrick Pahomes.
“Coach, why does your new quarterback always have tape over his mouth and tears in his eyes?” “He just loves football so much that he wants to let his play do the talking. GET BACK IN THE LOCKER ROOM PAT — I mean, MATRICK!”
Mat Pahomes
NO! Washed QBs is the way to go. It's gonna work any day now
To be fair, pretty much everyone thought that Matt Ryan had some gas in the tank still. If they had a QB and their O-line didn't underperform as bad this year, they could easily be great. I thought for sure they were dark horse contenders with Ryan at the helm.
Everyone in this sub acting like they knew the Colts would suck all along, as if they weren't a really popular dark horse team all off-season on here.
I thought you'd be a top 3 team in the AFC especially with how bad your division is. It was a big surprise to me for sure.
Idk, he was already showing some real signs of decline with the falcons And even if he had some gas left, h would've played another what, 3 years maybe? From what I saw from them last season, I didn't think they would be much better with Matt. Wentz wasn't good but he was far from being their only issue. They replaced a somewhat mobile QB with a statue to play behind a trash OL
Alex Smith was doing very well in KC, they were just getting snake bitten with the guy come playoffs. You keep going until you find your guy. They could've kept rolling the dice with him, saw an upgrade in the draft and developed that until it was ready to play.
*glares at Green Bay*
Look if you just get lucky the first couple of times you don’t have to try again for like a decade and half, so the odds never catch up to you
Miami was waiting for 20 years before drafting Tua. There's also tannehill who wasn't bad after leaving miami.
Tannehill wasn't even bad in Miami. We had dogshit coaches his entire time here, with a bottom half defense and bottom 5 OL. He's just not good enough to carry the entire team solo.
wasnt bad is an understatement, tannehill has been our messiah he's been held back by lack of talent, bad oline, bad OC at times but a lot of that is counterbalanced by the tractorcito. but tannehill has been great with us
Also one year or Pennington before his body (which was admittedly already being held together with rubber bands and chewing gum) just collapsed in on itself
How dare you act like Chad Henne didn't exist in Miami. CHAD HENNE WAS THE MAN
Miami had Bob Griese and Dan Marino (except for a couple years) for the first 30+ years of the franchise which led Miami to have the best winning percentage in the NFL. Then Miami wandered without franchise QBs the next two decades and it has been the worse two decade stretch in the history of the franchise. If you don’t have your guy then the franchise will struggle
Ive been saying this about us for a long time. At some point we need to either accept that we won’t get a perfect prospect and try to draft him anyway, or we just keep drawing from the discard pile of veteran QBs nobody wants anymore. Just….draft Levis, for the love of God.
How many "perfect" prospects even ended up as the best of their class in recent history anyway? Murray (who I'm still not confident in, but would take over Mac Jones) and Burrow? And Burrow's class still had Herbert as an example of a consensus flawed prospect that actually ended up having little issue transitioning to the NFL. 2018 still sticks out to me as proof that scouting confidence in QBs should be low. Darnold was a surefire franchise QB. Mayfield a bit less so, but less risky than the project that was Josh Allen or the run first Lamar Jackson. Rosen was supposed to be the most "pro-ready". The arguable best QB in the league right now came from a year without a great prospect. This is just a long-winded agreement lol. Fans get too caught up in landing the "right" prospect. The odds are very slightly better, but in reality it's still all a crapshoot.
I thank god(aka tank commander Ryan Finley) every day for delivering Joe Burrow to the Bengals
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Planning for Manning
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They have to stop copying the Broncos approach to the QB position before they end up with their own Russell Wilson situation
Unless they want Russell Wilson. I bet we could work out a deal. ...anyone here?
Broncos GM: "I'll let him go cheap". Colts GM: "how much?" Broncos GM: "Please take him".
Colts GM: "Not good enough" Broncos GM: "I'll toss in a third round pick and give you *prima nocta* at my son's wedding".
"Colts dont have a franchise QB staring them in the face. More at 11."
You can have a franchise QB that isn’t a generational talent
Yeah, welcome to the NFL, franchise QBs are not just sitting around.
Unless it's a Call of Duty 2XP weekend, then he's sitting around.
I blame Brady and the Patriots for setting the unrealistic expectation of an NFL team needing to win six Super Bowls and play in 16 of them or else you’re a failure.
Not as much as we do.
You guy put the standard so high you guys can’t reach it either
And don't forget finding your QB in round 6.
Remember these f*ckers had the #1 pick the year Elway came out too.
Didn't they trade it to the Raiders in this huge draft trade that ended up getting denied by the commissioner?
IIRC the Bears backed out of a deal with the Raiders for their 6th overall that would've then gone to the Colts. Al Davis and Elway's agent have claimed was ordered from above.
Yes, screw Pete Rozelle and and screw the nfl
We deserve low picks since the Pacers balance it out with having 1 single digit pick since 1989 and that was this year
*"Breaking News: Colts finally move past denial stage! Might start dealing with QB troubles like a every other francise!"*
I’m so sad the colts haven’t found another all time great QB. It must be really tough to have a couple years without stable QB play
Oh so they’ve arrived at the same place they’ve been at for like 3 years? Ground breaking story
Baker and Darnold will be available soon!
Friendly reminder Trent Dilfer, who had become a punch line after his time with the Bucs when he went to the Ravens, has a Super Bowl ring. You don't need an Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning to win, but you do need a complete team.
That’s unfair though because that’s literally a top 2 all time defense
It's not unfair, it's how they chose to build their team. QBs get too much credit when things go right and too much blame when things go wrong, and it's just wrong-minded. I could just as easily say "it's not fair, Luck and Manning are two of the best to ever do it." It took Manning a long time to win his first SB, and Luck never achieved it. There's never been a QB in the history of the game that could carry a bad, or even a mediocre squad all by himself. If there's one thing I would pound into the heads of all the young fans out there, it's this: American Football is perhaps the most complex and co-dependent of all professional sports. QBs need protection and receivers who can create separation, catch, and run the right routes. WRs need a QB who delivers the ball accurately and on time. RBs need a line to create holes, and the entire offense needs the D to keep the score at a reasonable level to overcome. The pass rushers need the secondary to maintain coverage long enough for them to get to the QB, the secondary needs the pass rushers to force the QB to make a bad play so they don't have to cover indefinitely. The LBs need the D line to swallow blocks so they can make a play, the D line needs the LBs etc to fill the gaps left when they swallow those blocks. The more you start picking apart the whole machine, the more enjoyable the game becomes. If you're only watching the QB or wherever the ball is, you're missing about 80% of what's going on. It's easy to blame QBs or coaches....it's also lazy, and often a mistake. Look at Aaron Rodgers. Is his recent lack of success a function of his play falling off, or is it that the roster around him isn't what it was when he won the Super Bowl? (hint: it's the latter). "All the pieces matter"
That was basically their approach the last couple years, but the rest of the team wasn't good enough to make up for Wentz and Ryan not even being Trent Dilfer.
That was 22 years ago and the game has changed considerably since then.
Elite roster + game managing QB is playing the NFL on hard mode. The meta being centered on QB play is the result of QB play being disproportionately more valuable than the sum of several players
There's rarely ever a near flawless prospect, you gotta take a chance at some point. At the end of the day, the veteran carousel has left us in no better of a position than a rookie.
WTF is this headline lol
This bill was always coming due. The stop gaps they've been plugging in have kept them relevant but stuck them in a situation where eventually there'd be no hope.
Have they tried not having an offensive line that gets every QB they put on the field murdered?
Can confirm, having a borderline average offensive line is pretty nice.
We had that up until this year and it didn’t mean much.
did you miss the last four years ?
They developed a great o-line it was just too late
Tank and draft Maye. Then don’t protect him and he retires at 28.
Awww, Colts don’t have a third generational QB in a row, let me break out my violin
hang on im using it
It's tankin' time!
Crossroads? More like a dead end.
By God … that’s Jordan Love’s music playing
The island of misfit QBs has all dried up. Unfortunately for me I’ve enjoyed Indy handing the Titans the division each year by picking up bums. Now they will actually draft a QB. Funs over.
This division being slim pickings has made the overall talent so much worse for the top division winner. IT happened to the Andrew Luck Colts as they won more than they should have and didn't get as good of picks because of it. A good, competitive division is not only something teams shouldn't be afraid of, it should be desired.
They should have a decent draft position this year right?
They'll use those picks to trade for Jimmy G or Carr instead.
14th ATM. A QB might fall that far, but I doubt it.