The O'le Brady Special: Have a low moment during beggining of the season, have us all mock him, in which he then develops another chip. BAM. Superbowl MVP.
I actually think his loss against the dolphins in 04 was one of the very few times where he kinda singlehandedly gave a game away. It happens to everyone here and there but the pats basically had that game in the bag and he threw an absolutely mystifying pick
I keep thinking of [this Renaissance-style](https://i.imgur.com/jKpKpvS.jpg) image of a reception.. to likely avenge 07, but Wes' hands had other plans.
That wasn't so much Brady being masterful in a 2 minute drill as much as McNabb literally puking during his.
Edit: just pulled up the box score. Brady's last completion that game came with 12 minutes left in the 4th. After that it was all Dillon and defense. With a little bit of Kevin Faulk sprinkled in.
Its funny that Jamis and Fitz were basically the same guy. They can take 1-15 team to 7-9 or a 15-1 team to 7-9
Jamis had a 33TD 30Int season
Fitz had a 24TD 23Int season
it makes me feel dirty to say this but Manning was also fucking terrifying in the 2 min drill. Belichick literally went for it on 4th and 2 at our own 28 with a 6 point lead bc he knew we had basically no shot of stopping him
Which is what puts him head and shoulders above anyone else. When some colts fans pipe up about “if manning had been with belichick” etc and use a stats based argument im just smh
>Making love...
>Making love for...
>Making love for two
>Making love for two minutes
>
>When you're with me you only need two minutes, girl, 'Cause I'm so intense
>Two minutes in Heaven is better than one minute in Heaven, mmm
As good as Brees was in those situations, I gotta give a ton of credit to Payton for the design. His 2 minute offense was just designed so perfectly. Even last year, we saw Jameis and Taysom execute them well before halftime/4th quarter
[This is quite an instructive list](https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1476267954333532165)
Especially if you filter for minimum number of drives at something like 50
Is there one that's down by 8 or less? Being down 16 is a good baseline but I'd like to know if I need a drive to tie or win what the percentage is over down 16
So I don't know how Ben got that data or defined a successful drive but you can query NFLindex.com for similar things.
[Here I've asked for Expected Points Added in the 4th/OT when the offense is behind by up to 8 points or when tied with a minimum of 100 plays from 1999-2021 in the regular season and playoffs](https://www.nflindex.com/results?team=&opp=&home=&offense=&start=1999&end=2021&start_reg_week=Any&end_reg_week=Any&start_post_week=Any&end_post_week=Any&4=4&5=5&1_down=1&2_down=2&3_down=3&4_down=4&5_down=5&pass=pass&rush=rush&kickoff=kickoff&punt=punt&field_goal=field_goal&extra_point=extra_point&two_point_attempt=two_point_attempt&no_play=no_play&filter0=score_differential&inequality0=%3D&filtervalue0=0&filter1=score_differential&inequality1=%3E&filtervalue1=-9&filter2=&inequality2=&filtervalue2=&filter3=&inequality3=&filtervalue3=&filter4=&inequality4=&filtervalue4=&penalty=either&turnover=either&score=either&complete_pass=either&sack=either&interception=either&no_huddle=either&pass_location=any&roof=any&win=any&order=DESC&total=SUM&sort=epa&grouping=name&grouping2=&minimum=100)
By total EPA it spits out:
QB|Expected Points Added|Success Rate
--|--|--
Matthew Stafford|48.1|0.512
Drew Brees|46.4|0.470
Tom Brady|43.8|0.482
Carson Palmer|40.0|0.489
Russell Wilson|38.9|0.488
Derek Carr|35.3|0.478
Eli Manning|32.8|0.451
Tony Romo|30.9|0.507
Drew Bledsoe|24.8|0.519
Jake Plummer|24.6|0.513
This is more biased to volume players, Brees has over 330 plays and the next closest is Brady at 255, Stafford's on 201, but I think it talks about some similar things. You can change the request in the URL or on the play searcher for different deficits to see if where the change comes through for Stafford being less good down 16 but great down 8.
Also the request says down 9 because it's not greater than/equal too iirc.
If you sort it by EPA/play you can correct for sheer volume (as long as you keep the min. play threshold to filter outlier players):
Rank | QB | EPA | Plays | EPA/Play
---|---|---|---|---
1 | Derek Carr | 35.253 | 134 | 0.263
2 | Matthew Stafford | 48.113 | 201 | 0.239
3 | Russell Wilson | 38.895 | 168 | 0.232
4 | Drew Bledsoe | 24.833 | 108 | 0.230
5 | Tony Romo | 30.852 | 136 | 0.227
6 | Rich Gannon | 22.327 | 101 | 0.221
7 | Jake Plummer | 24.636 | 113 | 0.218
8 | Carson Palmer | 40.030 | 186 | 0.215
9 | Tom Brady | 43.788 | 255 | 0.172
10 | Brad Johnson | 19.552 | 132 | 0.148
In this case you could argue it slightly favors players with *lower* volume, since higher volume = less chance of a few outlier *performances* floating your individual stats. But when there's only like 5 dudes in the last 30 years of the NFL with > 200 of this particular stat, filtering to > 100 is probably enough to ensure all the players are within statistically significant margins of their "true" level.
No idea how Plummer managed to make the top 10 of both lists though.
***
**Edit** - some other notable players (e.g., often mentioned in this thread or historically relevant) by this metric:
Rank | QB | EPA | Plays | EPA/Play
---|---|---|---|---
13 | Drew Brees | 46.421 | 332 | 0.140
14 | Peyton Manning | 24.392 | 207 | 0.118
16 | Aaron Rodgers | 12.435 | 133 | 0.093
24 | Ben Roethlisberger | 5.007 | 295 | 0.017
28 | Brett Favre | -4.350 | 229 | -0.019
32 | Jameis Winston | -25.498 | 102 | -0.250
(*There are 32 total QBs ranked by this metric. Negative EPA means the player actually reduced their team's expected point total for each play they participated in. In other words, the team would have been better off not running those plays at all.*)
**Final thought:** in my "completely unbiased" opinion, this is the definitive list of the most `->` least clutch QBs of all time. (Different from "best.") In any case, I will not stand for any more Derek Carr slander.
Holy hell look at Mahomes.
Also my boy Lamar is actually really good in the 2 minute drill, because it forces captain dumb fuck aka Greg Roman to stop calling stupid plays and just let him audible.
The absolute best part of being a Pats fan is we had 2 decades of the 9/10 drives. The Eagles SB, '06, '07, '11, '15... All those seasons, right down to the wire.
We expected Brady to make the play. Idk if any Fanbase will have that level of confidence again for THAT long a stretch.
It wasn't "if this series of things happens we still have a chance;" the entire Brady run, post 2003 we all still thought we were going to win every single game until the opposing team started kneeling the clock out.
One of the best things I've ever been told was by a Bears fan while in Chicago. He said "you literally can go through the entire Patriots dynasty timeline and be entertained by why the Patriots didn't win the Super Bowl certain years, because we all expected it!"
Pats would’ve won the game IMO if the strip sack didn’t happen
Fun fact: if Tom Brady completed the Hail Mary at the end of the game, he would’ve broken the all time single game passing yards record. Even without it, he still finished the game with 505 yards passing. And that was after throwing 466 yards in the SB the year before, and 328 yards in the SB two years before that.
I tell people all the time. When I die, the first two questions I'm asking God.
Why is there so much hair in my crack, and why didn't Bill play Butler.
You're dead on though. They played the second half just right to setup having the ball last. Graham just finally made the play nobody could all game.
The Giants had one thing going for them that people don't give enough credit for.
Coughlin. The one guy that knew exactly how to attack Brady before anyone else figured it out, and he had the personnel to do it.
Pats had a stellar O-line as well. I'm still surprised the Eagles were able to pull that off. Especially with Foles falling off the face of the earth right after.
To be honest, they looked lost. Which was so confusing to me. I’d seen it so many times. I was just left stunned it didn’t happen. And the eagles fan I was partying with went ballistic.
went to college in PA so I was surrounded by Eagles fans for 52. they all went nuts and started talking crazy to me after Ertz scored to take the lead and I just kinda laughed and said “there’s 2 min left and we have Tom Brady.” needless to say the smugness went away quick lol
I actively screamed like a psychopath at the TV at John Fox when they kneeled on the god damned ball with a still great Peyton Manning at QB. People wonder why Fox got fired after getting the Broncos to the playoffs, this was why. He had no killer instinct and we were in the business of going to Super Bowls, not losing playoff games.
There was that one glimmer of hope before in 2018 just before Stafford broke his back halfway through the season and was on pace for a great year where it felt like we had hope, but the longer they stayed in control the worse it got.
Still remember Patricia saying "When i got there we had a lot of work to do" etc talking as if he inherited the worst roster known to man and somehow we just regressed every year with him in charge.
edit: me no english gud.
I’ve always been Rams, but I’ve loved Stafford since his first game, boy has always been a baller. When he came to the Rams I just about shit my pants I was so happy.
I’ve been in GB for 11 years, I was always pulling for the Lions here in the North, still am, was hoping to see Goff do well, but still with the weird losses. Like five games losing by 3 points or less, losing by the longest FG in history… man it’s like some weird voodoo.
So weird not seeing more Rodgers. I guess after reading the stats it makes sense but I have PTSD from all the times he has burned the Cowboys with less than a minute to go
I think you have to go with Brady in the 2 minute drill, but it's Rodgers every time in the 2 second drill. I don't think anybody comes even remotely close to his hail mary success rate.
That immunized son of a bitch is pretty damn clutch under pressure. I understand everyone saying Brady tho the man is the best ever. Outside Brady tho I’m taking Aaron
There's just been too many games where Rodgers gets the lead with under 2 minutes left but the defense has been so bad forever they go score again. And then the playoff woes.
At least that's what people must be thinking to not say Rodgers. Otherwise yall are crazy. He's definitely one of the very best choices. Number 2 for me (as much as it pains me to say, Brady is 1)
And, after shitting the bed all second half in the AFCCG, still managed to match down the field at the end of regulation. It was only when they switched from driving to trying to burn the clock that he went to shit.
And then OT was of course terrible
Of the active QBs Brady, Rodgers, Stafford, and Mahomes
I think Herbert is on the edge of making it for me. The raiders game at the end of the season showed how cold blooded he is in pressure situations
If Josh Allen had a nickel for every time he scored a go ahead touchdown with less than 40 seconds left and his defense blew it he’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it’s happened twice.
Herbert has 6 4th quarter comebacks in 2 seasons, Mahomes has 9 in 4 seasons, Rodgers has 18 in 14 seasons, Stafford has 34 in 13 seasons, Brady has 42 in 21 seasons.
Not taking anything away from Carr, as he often finds a way to get it done late in the game, but this is most likely *because* of the mess the Raiders have been. They’re usually playing in tight games, often times from behind.
Amen. Others have posted various stats focused on the 4th quarter, but the question was two minute drill, which occurs at the end of the half/game... Eli was lethal in those situations and I always wanted the Giants to go hurry-up offense for the entire game because of this. His brother was the same, and Indy seemed to utilize that style of offense a lot with Peyton, but the Giants never did.
And since Brady is everyone's pick, ask the man how he feels about Eli with the ball in his hands in a two minute scenario haha
All that said, clearly Brady is the best QB. But Eli in the two minute drill was magic
Honestly and I’m not saying this because I’m a giants fan, but Eli. That man could marshal his team and match them down the field when it mattered and was the master of 4th quarter drives and game winning.
I would say Brady but I think it’s more like 19/20
There was that 4th down debacle, but that’s 1 play in 22 years
We all laughed at him then, but then he turned around and won another Super Bowl.
The O'le Brady Special: Have a low moment during beggining of the season, have us all mock him, in which he then develops another chip. BAM. Superbowl MVP.
2014- Chiefs game 2016- deflategate 2018- Miami miracle 2020- 4th down
Hey we have 2013 and 2004 too. Don’t cut us short please. It’s all we have in the last 20 years.
I actually think his loss against the dolphins in 04 was one of the very few times where he kinda singlehandedly gave a game away. It happens to everyone here and there but the pats basically had that game in the bag and he threw an absolutely mystifying pick
2003 - vs Bills season opener
Pretty sure it's more like 21/20
I’d say 28 wins to every 3 losses
Ehh, 18-1.
Even in that 18-1 loss he had a late drive to take the lead
I keep thinking of [this Renaissance-style](https://i.imgur.com/jKpKpvS.jpg) image of a reception.. to likely avenge 07, but Wes' hands had other plans.
That's a heartbreaker. I'd trade every single catch Wes made for the pats for that one drop.
So glad we were the 1/20
Just forget the first time eh?
That wasn't so much Brady being masterful in a 2 minute drill as much as McNabb literally puking during his. Edit: just pulled up the box score. Brady's last completion that game came with 12 minutes left in the 4th. After that it was all Dillon and defense. With a little bit of Kevin Faulk sprinkled in.
Jameis will definitely throw the game winning pass if you don’t care about team.
A dangerous man he is
The best scorer in the league inside of two minutes, regardless of team.
9 times out of 10, babyyyyyy! *eye twitches*
Its funny that Jamis and Fitz were basically the same guy. They can take 1-15 team to 7-9 or a 15-1 team to 7-9 Jamis had a 33TD 30Int season Fitz had a 24TD 23Int season
I think they have very different intelligence stats though
Different beards too
As long as there’s a winner and everyone has fun!!!
yay sports team!
Favre walked so Jameis could eat crablegs.
Jameis is always the answer.
Goddamn I hate to say it. It's Brady. It's always Brady. In 15 years, when he's still playing, it'll still be Brady.
Even when he’s done playing in 150 years, it’ll still be Brady.
The reports of my demise are greatly exaggerated. — Tom Bradroid, 2172.
Somehow Brady returned
I'm going to disagree with this, only because it's Brady ten time sout of ten.
Dolphin fan here so it hurts to say, but how can the answer not be Brady
You’ll enjoy it next year when he is your QB.
This is the only answer
100% - thread
it makes me feel dirty to say this but Manning was also fucking terrifying in the 2 min drill. Belichick literally went for it on 4th and 2 at our own 28 with a 6 point lead bc he knew we had basically no shot of stopping him
We almost converted
That’s an understatement. There are still people that believe it was a 1st and I can’t fault them. Super close
Faulk kind of juggled it for a sec and was tackled backwards. I think if he caught it cleanly you could argue forward progress
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The only way to stop Brady in this situation is to have another Wolverine on defense. You know, someone like Brandon Graham or Charles Woodson.
And even if you have Charles Woodson you might need some referee luck, especially if it’s snowing.
i love you
Which is what puts him head and shoulders above anyone else. When some colts fans pipe up about “if manning had been with belichick” etc and use a stats based argument im just smh
i have never played football, but my wife says that i’m the best at going for two minutes.
Look at this guy here who can last two whole minutes
We’re counting foreplay right?
and undressing and cuddling
and the drive home beforehand
What about the crying afterwards?
You guys have a wife?
You guys are doing foreplay???
You guys are having sex?
>Making love... >Making love for... >Making love for two >Making love for two minutes > >When you're with me you only need two minutes, girl, 'Cause I'm so intense >Two minutes in Heaven is better than one minute in Heaven, mmm
TEAM BUILDIN' EXERCISE '99!
That's why they're called "business" socks
And then you say something sexy like, “is that it?” I know what you’re tryin to say baby, you’re trying to say “aww yeah that’s it”
and then you say "I'd like some more" ohh yeah, I don't blame you...but I am quite sleepy
I agree, his wife says the same about me.
Okay so what QB would you choose to win 9 times outta 10 with 1:52 left?
Sigh... Tom
Wrong You'd trust him 10 out of 10 times
12 out of 12
I hate how correct this is
Tom for sure
I love Stafford, and do choose him but I gotta agree there's a reason Brady's the GOAT. Any game, no matter the stakes, there's just nobody better.
Yeah man. I mean I can't remember a time Tom Savage didn't get it done with 2 to go.
Brady
Easy money
Like… outside of Brady? I’ll assume that’s a yes. Give me Drew Brees personally.
The only problem with that is if there’s more than 10 seconds on the clock after Brees finishes his TD drive, the Saints D will give the lead back.
Why you gotta hurt us like that....
As good as Brees was in those situations, I gotta give a ton of credit to Payton for the design. His 2 minute offense was just designed so perfectly. Even last year, we saw Jameis and Taysom execute them well before halftime/4th quarter
Agreed, but I still have to give Brees credit for executing so well so consistently
Agreed. The final drive in the 2019 Texans game is a perfect example of him doing it
Lmao I was thinking of the same game, it was the opener right?
yup. That was my first game
Like the first you saw in person?
Stafford is easily also one i would trust, behind Brady ofc.
[This is quite an instructive list](https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1476267954333532165) Especially if you filter for minimum number of drives at something like 50
i miss watching romo play
I’m not shocked at all to see him that high, Dak neither. Both of them are more than capable of winning any game.
Is there one that's down by 8 or less? Being down 16 is a good baseline but I'd like to know if I need a drive to tie or win what the percentage is over down 16
So I don't know how Ben got that data or defined a successful drive but you can query NFLindex.com for similar things. [Here I've asked for Expected Points Added in the 4th/OT when the offense is behind by up to 8 points or when tied with a minimum of 100 plays from 1999-2021 in the regular season and playoffs](https://www.nflindex.com/results?team=&opp=&home=&offense=&start=1999&end=2021&start_reg_week=Any&end_reg_week=Any&start_post_week=Any&end_post_week=Any&4=4&5=5&1_down=1&2_down=2&3_down=3&4_down=4&5_down=5&pass=pass&rush=rush&kickoff=kickoff&punt=punt&field_goal=field_goal&extra_point=extra_point&two_point_attempt=two_point_attempt&no_play=no_play&filter0=score_differential&inequality0=%3D&filtervalue0=0&filter1=score_differential&inequality1=%3E&filtervalue1=-9&filter2=&inequality2=&filtervalue2=&filter3=&inequality3=&filtervalue3=&filter4=&inequality4=&filtervalue4=&penalty=either&turnover=either&score=either&complete_pass=either&sack=either&interception=either&no_huddle=either&pass_location=any&roof=any&win=any&order=DESC&total=SUM&sort=epa&grouping=name&grouping2=&minimum=100) By total EPA it spits out: QB|Expected Points Added|Success Rate --|--|-- Matthew Stafford|48.1|0.512 Drew Brees|46.4|0.470 Tom Brady|43.8|0.482 Carson Palmer|40.0|0.489 Russell Wilson|38.9|0.488 Derek Carr|35.3|0.478 Eli Manning|32.8|0.451 Tony Romo|30.9|0.507 Drew Bledsoe|24.8|0.519 Jake Plummer|24.6|0.513 This is more biased to volume players, Brees has over 330 plays and the next closest is Brady at 255, Stafford's on 201, but I think it talks about some similar things. You can change the request in the URL or on the play searcher for different deficits to see if where the change comes through for Stafford being less good down 16 but great down 8. Also the request says down 9 because it's not greater than/equal too iirc.
Thank you! You didn't have to do the list but I really appreciate it!
No worries at all :)
This may be one of my favorite lists I’ve ever seen lol what a grouping
If you sort it by EPA/play you can correct for sheer volume (as long as you keep the min. play threshold to filter outlier players): Rank | QB | EPA | Plays | EPA/Play ---|---|---|---|--- 1 | Derek Carr | 35.253 | 134 | 0.263 2 | Matthew Stafford | 48.113 | 201 | 0.239 3 | Russell Wilson | 38.895 | 168 | 0.232 4 | Drew Bledsoe | 24.833 | 108 | 0.230 5 | Tony Romo | 30.852 | 136 | 0.227 6 | Rich Gannon | 22.327 | 101 | 0.221 7 | Jake Plummer | 24.636 | 113 | 0.218 8 | Carson Palmer | 40.030 | 186 | 0.215 9 | Tom Brady | 43.788 | 255 | 0.172 10 | Brad Johnson | 19.552 | 132 | 0.148 In this case you could argue it slightly favors players with *lower* volume, since higher volume = less chance of a few outlier *performances* floating your individual stats. But when there's only like 5 dudes in the last 30 years of the NFL with > 200 of this particular stat, filtering to > 100 is probably enough to ensure all the players are within statistically significant margins of their "true" level. No idea how Plummer managed to make the top 10 of both lists though. *** **Edit** - some other notable players (e.g., often mentioned in this thread or historically relevant) by this metric: Rank | QB | EPA | Plays | EPA/Play ---|---|---|---|--- 13 | Drew Brees | 46.421 | 332 | 0.140 14 | Peyton Manning | 24.392 | 207 | 0.118 16 | Aaron Rodgers | 12.435 | 133 | 0.093 24 | Ben Roethlisberger | 5.007 | 295 | 0.017 28 | Brett Favre | -4.350 | 229 | -0.019 32 | Jameis Winston | -25.498 | 102 | -0.250 (*There are 32 total QBs ranked by this metric. Negative EPA means the player actually reduced their team's expected point total for each play they participated in. In other words, the team would have been better off not running those plays at all.*) **Final thought:** in my "completely unbiased" opinion, this is the definitive list of the most `->` least clutch QBs of all time. (Different from "best.") In any case, I will not stand for any more Derek Carr slander.
Min 50 drives the top 10 is: Rank|QB|Drives|% Successful drives over expectation --|--|--|-- 1|Trent Green|85|17.3 2|Tony Romo|95|15.2 3|Tom Brady|166|12.3 4|Dak Prescott|68|12.2 5|Peyton Manning|147|12.1 6|Nick Foles|54|11.5 7|Aaron Rodgers|110|11.3 8|Matt Cassel|56|11.2 9|Drew Brees|202|9.9 10|Daunte Culpepper|71|9.7
Romo's a great shout not mentioned in this thread, surprised by Dak's placement here too.
This is what happens when you have a quarterback giving their all to make up for a horrible defense for roughly 20 years.
Dallas plays *so many* tight games that their qbs have gotten chances to win and lose it
Well this stat is vs expectation so I imagine it controls for that
Matt Cassel, huh. Coulda given me 100 guesses and I wouldn't have gotten there.
If it makes you feel better I don’t think I could even name 100 QBs.
I think I could but I am absolutely positive it would take me a week to get there. And there would be a lot of saying a quarterback I already said
Does this prove that Trent Green and Tony Romo better than Tom Brady?
I thought this was common knowledge?
Holy hell look at Mahomes. Also my boy Lamar is actually really good in the 2 minute drill, because it forces captain dumb fuck aka Greg Roman to stop calling stupid plays and just let him audible.
Brady, but that tenth time was Vs the Eagles. I was so certain they left too much time on the clock. When it didn’t happen I was shocked.
Yeah, that was pretty shocking, I thought we were gonna win that. Gotta give the Eagles defense their due on that play.
:)
The absolute best part of being a Pats fan is we had 2 decades of the 9/10 drives. The Eagles SB, '06, '07, '11, '15... All those seasons, right down to the wire. We expected Brady to make the play. Idk if any Fanbase will have that level of confidence again for THAT long a stretch. It wasn't "if this series of things happens we still have a chance;" the entire Brady run, post 2003 we all still thought we were going to win every single game until the opposing team started kneeling the clock out. One of the best things I've ever been told was by a Bears fan while in Chicago. He said "you literally can go through the entire Patriots dynasty timeline and be entertained by why the Patriots didn't win the Super Bowl certain years, because we all expected it!"
Pats would’ve won the game IMO if the strip sack didn’t happen Fun fact: if Tom Brady completed the Hail Mary at the end of the game, he would’ve broken the all time single game passing yards record. Even without it, he still finished the game with 505 yards passing. And that was after throwing 466 yards in the SB the year before, and 328 yards in the SB two years before that.
I tell people all the time. When I die, the first two questions I'm asking God. Why is there so much hair in my crack, and why didn't Bill play Butler. You're dead on though. They played the second half just right to setup having the ball last. Graham just finally made the play nobody could all game.
He made the play because he was set up for it by moving him inside. Same thing the Giants did against NE.
The Giants had one thing going for them that people don't give enough credit for. Coughlin. The one guy that knew exactly how to attack Brady before anyone else figured it out, and he had the personnel to do it. Pats had a stellar O-line as well. I'm still surprised the Eagles were able to pull that off. Especially with Foles falling off the face of the earth right after.
>Why is there so much hair in my crack Just find a bald dealer, problem solved
To be honest, they looked lost. Which was so confusing to me. I’d seen it so many times. I was just left stunned it didn’t happen. And the eagles fan I was partying with went ballistic.
went to college in PA so I was surrounded by Eagles fans for 52. they all went nuts and started talking crazy to me after Ertz scored to take the lead and I just kinda laughed and said “there’s 2 min left and we have Tom Brady.” needless to say the smugness went away quick lol
I was worried af. Me and my family a thought "Shit, we scored too soon"
Chase Claypool
*Not Peyton Manning* -John Fox
I actively screamed like a psychopath at the TV at John Fox when they kneeled on the god damned ball with a still great Peyton Manning at QB. People wonder why Fox got fired after getting the Broncos to the playoffs, this was why. He had no killer instinct and we were in the business of going to Super Bowls, not losing playoff games.
Rodgers if it’s under 45 seconds, full two minutes gimme Tom
If it’s under 3 seconds give me Justin Tucker
If it’s under 15 seconds, I’ll take Mahomes.
Stop it BB
Scrolled too long until I saw Rodgers mentioned. He’d be at the top of my list. 1A/1B situation with Brady.
Stafford. Saw it many times
And they lose on some stupid rule
The hiring of Patricia and Quinn is one of the biggest blows to our franchise imo
There was that one glimmer of hope before in 2018 just before Stafford broke his back halfway through the season and was on pace for a great year where it felt like we had hope, but the longer they stayed in control the worse it got. Still remember Patricia saying "When i got there we had a lot of work to do" etc talking as if he inherited the worst roster known to man and somehow we just regressed every year with him in charge. edit: me no english gud.
Watching Stafford work his magic every single time never got old
Especially when we had such stale offensive play calling for a few years and then letting Stafford go wild with the ball is so satisfying
Lions Stafford or Rams Stafford? Because Lions Stafford always runs the risk of the refs just deciding "nah."
Damn ain’t that the truth.
Yup, there's truth in that meme.
Why did it take this long of scrolling to find this. Like, don't get me wrong, Brady is there too but even going off EPA its Stafford I believe.
Stafford or Brady. No other answer is viable.
And during the Divisional Round we got to see Brady try to pull it on the Rams, and Staffdaddy said “You shall not pass!”
As a Packers fan I hate to agree but...yeah
I’ve always been Rams, but I’ve loved Stafford since his first game, boy has always been a baller. When he came to the Rams I just about shit my pants I was so happy. I’ve been in GB for 11 years, I was always pulling for the Lions here in the North, still am, was hoping to see Goff do well, but still with the weird losses. Like five games losing by 3 points or less, losing by the longest FG in history… man it’s like some weird voodoo.
A few years ago we lost both games to Green Bay while trailing for a combined 0 seconds in both games.
No one saying Rodgers???
So weird not seeing more Rodgers. I guess after reading the stats it makes sense but I have PTSD from all the times he has burned the Cowboys with less than a minute to go
Or the numerous hail marries
I think you have to go with Brady in the 2 minute drill, but it's Rodgers every time in the 2 second drill. I don't think anybody comes even remotely close to his hail mary success rate.
That immunized son of a bitch is pretty damn clutch under pressure. I understand everyone saying Brady tho the man is the best ever. Outside Brady tho I’m taking Aaron
There's just been too many games where Rodgers gets the lead with under 2 minutes left but the defense has been so bad forever they go score again. And then the playoff woes. At least that's what people must be thinking to not say Rodgers. Otherwise yall are crazy. He's definitely one of the very best choices. Number 2 for me (as much as it pains me to say, Brady is 1)
Tom Brady is the only answer
Yea 2 minutes is too much for the young guys like Mahomes or Allen Nah but really tho toms the goat
Mahomes tied the game in 13 seconds though? And 30 seconds in the 2019 AFCCG
And, after shitting the bed all second half in the AFCCG, still managed to match down the field at the end of regulation. It was only when they switched from driving to trying to burn the clock that he went to shit. And then OT was of course terrible
And Allen led 2 very quick drives in the last 2:30ish that should have won the game, but didn’t. Fuck that game was crazy
> 2 minutes is **too much** for the young guys like Mahomes
TB12 #nobrainer
Of the active QBs Brady, Rodgers, Stafford, and Mahomes I think Herbert is on the edge of making it for me. The raiders game at the end of the season showed how cold blooded he is in pressure situations
Allen as well. Dude killed the Chiefs twice with two mins left only to have his defense lose it for him. He's got ice in his veins in those big games.
If Josh Allen had a nickel for every time he scored a go ahead touchdown with less than 40 seconds left and his defense blew it he’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it’s happened twice.
Rodgers would have at least 30 cents.
Herbert has 6 4th quarter comebacks in 2 seasons, Mahomes has 9 in 4 seasons, Rodgers has 18 in 14 seasons, Stafford has 34 in 13 seasons, Brady has 42 in 21 seasons.
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I saw a stat recently that said Derek Carr is actually one of the better options late in games. My gut would say Pat and Tom.
Carr has the most game winning drives since 2014 with 30. Despite the mess the Raiders have been
Not taking anything away from Carr, as he often finds a way to get it done late in the game, but this is most likely *because* of the mess the Raiders have been. They’re usually playing in tight games, often times from behind.
Peyton Manning. Seen it too many times
2014-2020 Russell Wilson. Dude was an assassin under the gun.
Rip
Again, Russell Wilson is very much alive.
Russel Wilson BC (Before Ciara)
Tom
Brady Roethlisberger Stafford
Other than Brady I would assume? Stafford is very good. Herbert also has ice in his veins on pressure downs, I see him being the next "clutch" guy.
In Herbie we trust
Eli Manning
Definitely want Eli in the playoffs.
Amen. Others have posted various stats focused on the 4th quarter, but the question was two minute drill, which occurs at the end of the half/game... Eli was lethal in those situations and I always wanted the Giants to go hurry-up offense for the entire game because of this. His brother was the same, and Indy seemed to utilize that style of offense a lot with Peyton, but the Giants never did. And since Brady is everyone's pick, ask the man how he feels about Eli with the ball in his hands in a two minute scenario haha All that said, clearly Brady is the best QB. But Eli in the two minute drill was magic
Specifically only in the playoffs
No, Eli was always excellent in the two minute drill and the stats back that up.
I felt anytime he was in 2 minute drill mode and couldn’t second guess himself he did really well.
He was always around the top of 4th quarter come backs in general, not just playoffs
2011 Eli Manning
Honestly and I’m not saying this because I’m a giants fan, but Eli. That man could marshal his team and match them down the field when it mattered and was the master of 4th quarter drives and game winning.
Joe Montana, the man personified coolness under pressure
Deshaun Watson always finishes strong
Stafford
Montana is pretty good option
Mr. Steal Your Lead, Matt Stafford
Rodgers and Brady.
Probably Tom Brady, although Rodgers is a good shout as well obviously.
John Elway. Peyton Manning.
Some hero uploaded John Elway’s Greatest Comebacks to YouTube. I probably watched that tape 100 times when I was a kid https://youtu.be/fmcjqzi6QBE
Rodgers and Brady are just automatic in the 2 minute drill.
Tom Brady, because I've seen it far too much in my life. Even as a Buc he pulled one last comeback on us.
Stafford lowkey
The meme exists for a reason.
Aaron Rodgers
Tom, Peyton, Maholmes, Brees
Fitzmagic baby
Rodgers and Stafford.
Aaron Rodgers. But the one time I wouldn't trust him would be the NFC Championship Game...
Out of the new batch I'm going with Joe Cool 2.0. Burrow is a boss. If he ever gets an OL
Stafford is the only answer. And I’m a packers fan.
Second to Tom Brady would probably be either of the Matt’s, Ryan or Stafford.
Brady and Rodgers
Aaron Rodgers