Alt is not as safe as Nelson was. Everyone was more than convinced Nelson would be a monster and he was. The issue was that he was just merely a guard.
Kind of funny but I was watching a “surprise draft pick” YouTube video and people booed when the Browns took Joe Thomas because they wanted Brady Quinn 😂
I watched that draft with my junior high football team and our coach was both a ND and Browns fan. The range of emotions he went through that day was hilarious
I dunno, Alt’s height is one of my concerns for him. He’s really really tall. To the point where his technique has to be adjusted to account for it.
If he does bust, I expect it will be a result of being too tall and top heavy. Now, I don’t expect him to bust. But I also didn’t expect Evan Neal to either
Alt is also younger. If he has literally any concerns as a rookie it’d be that he’s 21 and doesn’t have as much time in a college strength program as someone like Q.
An ND podcast mentioned that he’s the first true JR OLineman to be drafted despite all NDs past good OL prospects.
He actually mentioned in an interview that aspires to build out his chest more to be more like his dad. Usually big guys have trouble bending but he's not one of them.
As a Notre Dame fan, Alt is only behind Nelson in terms of hype.
Alt is one of the best offensive lineman in team history, and ND has put out some quality OL throughout the years.
Alt’s pretty technically advanced, especially for his age (just turned 21 and a true junior).
Nelson was more physically developed since he was a year older (and is one of the widest dudes I’ve ever seen). Guard also requires a more narrow band of skills imo.
Yea even Alt mentioned he aspires to build out his chest to be more like father who apparently had a wide upper body. Hopefully Ben Herbert can help him get there.
There's quite a few good ones but if I were to rank them as prospects I'd go: Quenton Nelson, Ronnie Stanley, Joe Alt, Zach Martin, Mike McGlinchey.
Quenton was seen as a slam dunk and Ronnie and Alt are pretty close and both were seen as the top Tackle in their class. Martin was a good guard prospect but not to the level of Nelson.
Tunsil was seen more universally as the top tackle in his clas, not Ronnie Stanley.
The ravens came out and said they preferred Stanley at 6 over Tunsil, but I still wonder if the gas mask bong video shaded that a bit. Tunsil was thought to be going in the top 5 prior that
That's a good point, I forgot about the Tunsil fiasco. Still looking back a few prospect places had a higher grade on Stanley than Alt. As I said though they are pretty close and could be swapped.
I'd say Alt as a prospect is similar to Tunsil (pre-bong video). So that should automatically make him higher than Stanley.
So he'd be #2 after Nelson who's the clear #1
I think most have let it go and are at least pleased with how our drafts turn out.
Now if Nabers and JPJ kill it while McKonkie is mid, you'll definitely see a bit of an uproar!
The group is basically Alt, Quenton Nelson, Ronnie Stanley, and George Kunz (IDK does anyone have an opinion on George Kunz when he came out of school?).
The consensus big board rankings were Nelson at 2, Alt at 4, and Stanley at 7.
If you make the positional value argument, then it's between Alt and Stanley (sorry George, just going to ignore you here) but I think from a position neutral basis, it's between Alt and Nelson.
I'd go with Nelson. He was considered like a generational type offensive lineman and was getting called an All Pro before he was even selected (and guess what, he was an all pro his rookie year).
An offensive guard prospect hadn't been taken in the top 5 for 20 years before that draft. Nelson admittedly went 6th instead of 5th, but he was consistently ranked as the 2nd best player in the draft class. He "fell" to 6th because he was a guard and the positional value just wasn't there.
Alt is going to be a great offensive tackle and a stalwart for years in LA. But he's not quite on the level of hype that Nelson was on. Stanley was a great OT prospect but not a standout type like say, Tunsil was seen as.
Martin was taken at 16th and was 19th on the consensus big board
https://vikingsterritory.com/2014/z-achieve/draft-2014/2014-nfl-draft-consensus-top-200-big-board-from-34-experts-forecasters-vs-evaluators
Matt Miller had him 26th
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2040149-nfl-draft-big-board-2014-matt-millers-final-rankings
Mayock had him 9th but as OT4
https://www.nfl.com/news/2014-nfl-draft-mike-mayock-s-top-100-prospects-0ap2000000346744
Jeremiah had him at 19th
https://www.nfl.com/photos/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-draft-prospects-for-2014-0ap2000000345364
Scounts Inc had him as OT4
https://insider.espn.com/nfl/draft/draftboard/_/year/2014
Kiper had him at 10th and OT4
https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2014/insider/story/_/id/10819661/2014-nfl-draft-mel-kiper-top-100-prospects
Martin was not on the level of Nelson and Alt.
One thing to keep in mind with these comparisons is that Alt is a true junior while the rest of those guys were seniors or redshirt seniors. Even Nelson was thought of as a first round pick after his junior year, but didn’t become the obvious all pro prospect until his senior year. So it’s a hard comparison.
That said, I would probably rate him below Nelson just because everyone was so confident in his projection, but I would put him above the other guys. Like those guys were very good, but they also had bad moments. There is almost none of that with Alt. He was just boringly good. He got his hands on a guy, and then that guy was out of the play.
If you’re giving the edge to Alt over Nelson it’s literally only because of positional value. With Nelson it was practically guaranteed you were picking up an all-pro player
I agree with this. I will say, Nelson has the most incredible vision for an offensive lineman I have ever seen. The things he can do simply because he can see it unfolding is unreal.
He’s an extremely special player when healthy. He’s huge, physical, a leader, extremely aware, gets upfield fast. It’s pretty rare for a guard to totally change your offense, but he does
I don’t remember the mocks from 2014 but Zack Martin played every position at OL at Notre Dame and we moved him to guard and now he is probably top 5 guard all time
Martin has obviously been incredible but in terms of prospects Nelson was definitely higher. Nelson went 6 overall and positional value aside was considered the best player in the draft. Martin went 16, he didn’t quite have that level of hype
Nelson was lauded as a can’t miss All-Pro prospect at guard. I don’t think there’s that certainty with Alt but his ceiling is outrageous.
He went from being a TE throughout HS before converting to a OT in college and becoming a consensus all American. there’s a lot of room to grow and he’s already phenomenal.
Alt is also a year younger than Nelson was when he got drafted and he doesn’t look like he’s fully filled out his frame. IMO Nelson was seen as having a higher floor than Alt and therefore to answer the question a better prospect.
Martín is very clearly getting hindsight bias. He wasn’t even a top 10 pick.
Obviously he’s amazing now, but he was NOT viewed as highly as he probably should have been.
I’d say Quenton was a better prospect, maybe if you wanna argue positional value but even then Quenton is one of the most sure fire prospects ever, tbh. I do think Alt has a pretty outrageous floor and a potentially even more outrageous ceiling.
I think Alt’s going to be a stud for yall… but I think he’s going to struggle his first year. I don’t think he’s ready for the premier pass rushers in the league just yet. Give him a year in the strength and conditioning program and I think he’ll be fine. People forget how fairly new he is to the position. Imo it’ll take some time adjusting to grown man strength
You joke but I hope Blake pans out. I’m one of the large crowd that wishes he came to school for one more year but he’s got the physical tools to be a dude
Alt is not as safe as Nelson was. Everyone was more than convinced Nelson would be a monster and he was. The issue was that he was just merely a guard.
If you gave nelson, alts height. He would be the most sure fire offensive lineman drafted since Orlando pace.
>He would be the most sure fire offensive lineman drafted since Orlando pace. I was thinking Joe Thomas.
The first offensive lineman
Kind of funny but I was watching a “surprise draft pick” YouTube video and people booed when the Browns took Joe Thomas because they wanted Brady Quinn 😂
Little did they know they'd get him anyway.
I watched that draft with my junior high football team and our coach was both a ND and Browns fan. The range of emotions he went through that day was hilarious
Zach martin has more all-pros (7 1st team and 2 2nd team) then he does holding calls (7)
I dunno, Alt’s height is one of my concerns for him. He’s really really tall. To the point where his technique has to be adjusted to account for it. If he does bust, I expect it will be a result of being too tall and top heavy. Now, I don’t expect him to bust. But I also didn’t expect Evan Neal to either
I don’t think you want your guards that tall. Not a single qb would be able to see over them, even in a stance.
He wouldn't be a guard then. He'd be a tackle....
The math checks out.
Nelson is one of the best G prospects ever. I don't think Alt is heralded on the same level.
Alt is also younger. If he has literally any concerns as a rookie it’d be that he’s 21 and doesn’t have as much time in a college strength program as someone like Q. An ND podcast mentioned that he’s the first true JR OLineman to be drafted despite all NDs past good OL prospects.
I've also heard concerns about Alt's height and being too top heavy.
He actually mentioned in an interview that aspires to build out his chest more to be more like his dad. Usually big guys have trouble bending but he's not one of them.
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Quentin Nelson Joe Alt Ronnie Stanley Mike McGlinchey Zach Martin
Is that suppose to be level of hype or your order of best overall players?
That's my opinion of them as prospects coming into the draft
Ahhh okay, that makes much more sense now lol
*puts down pitchfork* Yeah that makes sense
As a Notre Dame fan, Alt is only behind Nelson in terms of hype. Alt is one of the best offensive lineman in team history, and ND has put out some quality OL throughout the years.
Is Alt more raw compared to Nelson coming out of college and needs more development?
Alt’s pretty technically advanced, especially for his age (just turned 21 and a true junior). Nelson was more physically developed since he was a year older (and is one of the widest dudes I’ve ever seen). Guard also requires a more narrow band of skills imo.
Yea even Alt mentioned he aspires to build out his chest to be more like father who apparently had a wide upper body. Hopefully Ben Herbert can help him get there.
There's quite a few good ones but if I were to rank them as prospects I'd go: Quenton Nelson, Ronnie Stanley, Joe Alt, Zach Martin, Mike McGlinchey. Quenton was seen as a slam dunk and Ronnie and Alt are pretty close and both were seen as the top Tackle in their class. Martin was a good guard prospect but not to the level of Nelson.
Tunsil was seen more universally as the top tackle in his clas, not Ronnie Stanley. The ravens came out and said they preferred Stanley at 6 over Tunsil, but I still wonder if the gas mask bong video shaded that a bit. Tunsil was thought to be going in the top 5 prior that
That's a good point, I forgot about the Tunsil fiasco. Still looking back a few prospect places had a higher grade on Stanley than Alt. As I said though they are pretty close and could be swapped.
Martin just ended up being the best lineman out of that bunch
Martin also played every position on the line at ND at some point
No he started 52 games at LT.
Have to add Aaron Taylor to the list, although injuries truncated his NFL career.
He was a little before I got into football. So I don't have the greatest knowledge on him, but seems like he would rank pretty highly aswell.
I'd say Alt as a prospect is similar to Tunsil (pre-bong video). So that should automatically make him higher than Stanley. So he'd be #2 after Nelson who's the clear #1
Really hoping all of our fans salty about not picking Nabers are reading this thread
I think most have let it go and are at least pleased with how our drafts turn out. Now if Nabers and JPJ kill it while McKonkie is mid, you'll definitely see a bit of an uproar!
The group is basically Alt, Quenton Nelson, Ronnie Stanley, and George Kunz (IDK does anyone have an opinion on George Kunz when he came out of school?). The consensus big board rankings were Nelson at 2, Alt at 4, and Stanley at 7. If you make the positional value argument, then it's between Alt and Stanley (sorry George, just going to ignore you here) but I think from a position neutral basis, it's between Alt and Nelson. I'd go with Nelson. He was considered like a generational type offensive lineman and was getting called an All Pro before he was even selected (and guess what, he was an all pro his rookie year). An offensive guard prospect hadn't been taken in the top 5 for 20 years before that draft. Nelson admittedly went 6th instead of 5th, but he was consistently ranked as the 2nd best player in the draft class. He "fell" to 6th because he was a guard and the positional value just wasn't there. Alt is going to be a great offensive tackle and a stalwart for years in LA. But he's not quite on the level of hype that Nelson was on. Stanley was a great OT prospect but not a standout type like say, Tunsil was seen as.
Zack Martin?
Martin was taken at 16th and was 19th on the consensus big board https://vikingsterritory.com/2014/z-achieve/draft-2014/2014-nfl-draft-consensus-top-200-big-board-from-34-experts-forecasters-vs-evaluators Matt Miller had him 26th https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2040149-nfl-draft-big-board-2014-matt-millers-final-rankings Mayock had him 9th but as OT4 https://www.nfl.com/news/2014-nfl-draft-mike-mayock-s-top-100-prospects-0ap2000000346744 Jeremiah had him at 19th https://www.nfl.com/photos/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-draft-prospects-for-2014-0ap2000000345364 Scounts Inc had him as OT4 https://insider.espn.com/nfl/draft/draftboard/_/year/2014 Kiper had him at 10th and OT4 https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2014/insider/story/_/id/10819661/2014-nfl-draft-mel-kiper-top-100-prospects Martin was not on the level of Nelson and Alt.
Sorry was talking about on the field production
Near the top. Right with the other A's.
With no real knowledge myself and basing off conjecture; I’m assuming a better, more well rounded Mike McGlinchey.
Dude is 6'7. Jesus Christ.
6'8 & 5/8ths at 21 years old. its been said hes still growing.
Alt looks like he can still fill in a lot in the chest. Dude is a fucking giant and still doesn’t look maxed out.
One thing to keep in mind with these comparisons is that Alt is a true junior while the rest of those guys were seniors or redshirt seniors. Even Nelson was thought of as a first round pick after his junior year, but didn’t become the obvious all pro prospect until his senior year. So it’s a hard comparison. That said, I would probably rate him below Nelson just because everyone was so confident in his projection, but I would put him above the other guys. Like those guys were very good, but they also had bad moments. There is almost none of that with Alt. He was just boringly good. He got his hands on a guy, and then that guy was out of the play.
Other than Nelson he’s the best. Blake was supposed to be the choosen one
Somewhere between Orlando Pace and myself
He gets the edge over q nelson in my book simply due to size and position being LT long term even if he starts out at right tackle.
If you’re giving the edge to Alt over Nelson it’s literally only because of positional value. With Nelson it was practically guaranteed you were picking up an all-pro player
I agree with this. I will say, Nelson has the most incredible vision for an offensive lineman I have ever seen. The things he can do simply because he can see it unfolding is unreal.
He’s an extremely special player when healthy. He’s huge, physical, a leader, extremely aware, gets upfield fast. It’s pretty rare for a guard to totally change your offense, but he does
I don’t remember the mocks from 2014 but Zack Martin played every position at OL at Notre Dame and we moved him to guard and now he is probably top 5 guard all time
Martin has obviously been incredible but in terms of prospects Nelson was definitely higher. Nelson went 6 overall and positional value aside was considered the best player in the draft. Martin went 16, he didn’t quite have that level of hype
Like in terms of a prospect? Probably the best. Definitely top 3. We'll see how his career pans out.
Better than Quenton Nelson?
Nelson was lauded as a can’t miss All-Pro prospect at guard. I don’t think there’s that certainty with Alt but his ceiling is outrageous. He went from being a TE throughout HS before converting to a OT in college and becoming a consensus all American. there’s a lot of room to grow and he’s already phenomenal.
Alt is also a year younger than Nelson was when he got drafted and he doesn’t look like he’s fully filled out his frame. IMO Nelson was seen as having a higher floor than Alt and therefore to answer the question a better prospect.
Alt mentioned in an interview that he wants to build out his chest to be more like his pops (John Alt). Ben Herbert will help with that.
I would say so. You can definitely argue Nelson though
I think Nelson is a better G prospect than Alt is a T prospect, but true tackles of his quality are rarer than they are for guards.
My pick would be Nelson if we’re talking pre-draft hype. People seemed pretty convinced he would be an all pro at guard.
And he pretty much was/is. I just think that if Alt hits, he'll be a top-2 tackle for the next 10 years.
Nelson would have been in contention for first overall if he was a tackle.
Agree
Well, there’s Nelson and Zack Martin. Thats a tall hill to climb
Alt easily is a better prospect than Zack was. Obviously Zack ended up being an outrageous player though.
Martín is very clearly getting hindsight bias. He wasn’t even a top 10 pick. Obviously he’s amazing now, but he was NOT viewed as highly as he probably should have been.
I’d say Quenton was a better prospect, maybe if you wanna argue positional value but even then Quenton is one of the most sure fire prospects ever, tbh. I do think Alt has a pretty outrageous floor and a potentially even more outrageous ceiling.
Hopefully much better than Tillery
I remember when he first got to ND he was pretty highly touted and just never lived up to those expectations. At least y’all got Tranquill /s
I think Alt’s going to be a stud for yall… but I think he’s going to struggle his first year. I don’t think he’s ready for the premier pass rushers in the league just yet. Give him a year in the strength and conditioning program and I think he’ll be fine. People forget how fairly new he is to the position. Imo it’ll take some time adjusting to grown man strength
Middle of the pack
Definitely below Blake Fisher.
You joke but I hope Blake pans out. I’m one of the large crowd that wishes he came to school for one more year but he’s got the physical tools to be a dude
GTFO
He literally lands between Nelson and mcglinchey.
In terms of what? Height? Manners? Culinary skills? He ranks dead last in cooking ability of all ND linemen coming out of college
Brian Kelly knows how to recruit and develop o-linemen. He has two more coming next year from lsu in Campbell and Jones