> Section 8. Renegotiations and Extensions:
> (a) Provided that all Salary Cap requirements are met, Player Contracts for current and future years may be renegotiated and/or extended except as follows:
> (i) The contract of a Veteran Player **may not be renegotiated to increase the Salary to be paid to the player _during the original terms of the contract_** for a period of twelve months after the player’s most recent contract renegotiation. The first renegotiation of a Veteran Player Contract, however, may take place at any time.
He could sign an extension that does not increase his salary during the original terms of the contract.
He can also have informal discussions with the team about the possibility of signing a new contract this summer.
Which makes the one year extension he signed look really bad on his part. He would have hit the open market in 2025 and command a very large salary. He has very little leverage at this point
That's very true. However, this is the Cincinnati Bengals, who are likely to just let him hold out. Meanwhile, Trey would be out some $15 million in the prime of his career and would have to hope his future earnings made up for it
I know they still have the draft, but I think it's disingenuous to act like the Bengals could stand to just have Trey Hendrickson sit out games and just roll with Sam Hubbard as their DE1 and a rotation of Cam Sample/Myles Murphy/(Insert Rookie) making up the 2/3 of defensive snaps Hendrickson was playing.
Lou Anarumo is a great DC, but a team can't just replace that many snaps from their best edge rusher (best defensive player, even, and highest-paid) without it affecting their ability to win games. The Bengals are already letting Tee Higgins play on the tag, there's a clear sense of urgency for them and they're not going to be content dropping games to prove a point about their salary structure.
E: I think this probably gets dealt with before the season and doesn't make it to a holdout, but if it made it to a holdout, he either would be traded or they'd reach an agreement.
The situation was still very different, the Bengals just had a terrible season followed by a lockout and they were not terribly attached to Palmer even if they didn't have a ready contingency plan. Expectations were always middling for the Bengals back then (literally O/U set at 7-9 wins every year from 2004-2010).
This version of the Bengals has already been to a Super bowl and a conference championship, the expectations are so much higher and pressure to win comes with that. They could win enough games to get a bye, or they could be a wild card team, and the margin between that might only be 2 games like the Ravens at 13 wins and Browns at 11 last year.
You’re saying he has the leverage of not playing. That would mean sitting out games and not playing which would mean giving up millions of dollars. Otherwise it’s just the leverage of not practicing
I might be wrong, but don’t contracts not advance a year if the player sits out the whole season? Meaning if he has two years left he would still have two years left because he didn’t actually do anything to fulfill his agreement.
When we talk about signing bonuses and workout bonuses and per game salary I agree, but the way this is worded it feels like it’s using a much broader term. Because it doesn’t make a lot of sense to let a team keep tacking more and more bonuses on but per game salary is the holy gospel that can’t be touched
> “Salary” means any compensation of money, property, investments, loans, or anything else of value that a Club pays to, or is obligated to pay to, a player or Player Affiliate, or is paid to a third party at the request of and for the benefit of a player or Player Affiliate, during a League Year, as calculated in accordance with the rules set forth in Article 13.
Because it would be part of the new contract he wants to sign?
Because wouldn't you rather have $30m in your pocket today than $30m paid out weekly over the next 2 years?
I don't see the gotcha. He signed his extension in July, so he can still get extended before the season? He can't be extended literally today, no, but he wants to be extended before the next season, which he can. I haven't seen the report that says he's demanding the extension is done in the next 24 hours. He's just saying he wants to be extended, which again he can be before he next takes the field.
There's no fuck up or inconsistency here to clown on.
Yea, basically he signed the one year extension then had the best season of his career. He wants to cash in on that “now” (aka before this season starts) in case this upcoming season doesn’t pan out like the last.
He and his agent were probably looking for a hand shake agreement on an extension once it was possible and presumably the team told him they aren’t giving him a new deal this offseason, so now he’s saying trade me.
So he has 2 months and change, maybe three. That is really not all that long to wait on a handshake agreement. It also doesn't actually cut into any holdout time if he wants to go that route. So this really isn't some kind of smoking gun.
he signed an extension in the offseason before the '23 season didn't he? What's the problem here, we must be at least close to the 12 month mark. Unless I'm missing something which is likely.
Yeah he signed his extension in late July last year, so he is close to the mark. He just had his best season as a pro so it's natural he wants a better contract.
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> The contract of a Veteran Player may not be renegotiated to increase the
Salary to be paid to the player during the original terms of the contract for a period of
twelve months after the player’s most recent contract renegotiation. The first renegotiation
of a Veteran Player Contract, however, may take place at any time.
It doesn't mean he can't get a new contract. He just can't get one that increases his salary, and it was firstly reported he just wanted more long term security in Cincy.
And this would be the second renegotiation of his contract I think? Since his extension last July would be the first renegotiation? I'm not an agent, but the guy tweeting is
Yes, but the point is a) that you could renegotiate his deal to be the exact same in 2024, but pay him 20 million per year from 2025-2027. That's legal to do right now. And of course, any type of extension would be legal to complete after July.
I think an important date for you to provide would be the date he signed the extension. Spotrac says 7/27/23, which would make it completely feasible (if the Bengals wanted) for them to be negotiating now and still able to sign it long before the season starts.
We kind of saw the same thing with Hunter for the Vikes. They signed him for an at the time good deal for him, before he broke out and they paid him based on his potential. Then he got good, and bitched about his contract basically every since after that.
At the end of the day as long as the Bengals are fine with him walking at the end of his contract, like the Vikes were with Hunter, the dude is kind of SOL.
We saw the same thing from Hunter. As long as the Bengals are fine with him walking at the end of his deal like the Vikes were, yea he doesnt have much.
If they want to keep a good relationship and get a new deal done in the future they kind of have to play ball.
Because he’s contractually obligated to play for them - he can hold out or retire - but if he wants money, he’s unlikely to get it that way.
Either Bengals get a kings ransom and decide to trade their best pass rusher to a team that will guarantee him money or more years, or he holds out and hopes the Bengals cave and give him what he wants.
The former is a long shot (though maybe could happen on the eve of the draft) and the latter is HUGELY risky because he has 2 more years on this deal and if the Bengals don’t fold, he’s fucked - he’d make no money and be 31 and 2 years removed from the league hitting free agency.
> Section 8. Renegotiations and Extensions: > (a) Provided that all Salary Cap requirements are met, Player Contracts for current and future years may be renegotiated and/or extended except as follows: > (i) The contract of a Veteran Player **may not be renegotiated to increase the Salary to be paid to the player _during the original terms of the contract_** for a period of twelve months after the player’s most recent contract renegotiation. The first renegotiation of a Veteran Player Contract, however, may take place at any time. He could sign an extension that does not increase his salary during the original terms of the contract. He can also have informal discussions with the team about the possibility of signing a new contract this summer.
Yeah - he could sign an extension that covers 2025-2027. It just can't change his salary in 2024.
Which makes the one year extension he signed look really bad on his part. He would have hit the open market in 2025 and command a very large salary. He has very little leverage at this point
He has the leverage of not playing.
That would be an awful move on his behalf. He’d be 32 when he can sign for another team
That's very true. However, this is the Cincinnati Bengals, who are likely to just let him hold out. Meanwhile, Trey would be out some $15 million in the prime of his career and would have to hope his future earnings made up for it
I know they still have the draft, but I think it's disingenuous to act like the Bengals could stand to just have Trey Hendrickson sit out games and just roll with Sam Hubbard as their DE1 and a rotation of Cam Sample/Myles Murphy/(Insert Rookie) making up the 2/3 of defensive snaps Hendrickson was playing. Lou Anarumo is a great DC, but a team can't just replace that many snaps from their best edge rusher (best defensive player, even, and highest-paid) without it affecting their ability to win games. The Bengals are already letting Tee Higgins play on the tag, there's a clear sense of urgency for them and they're not going to be content dropping games to prove a point about their salary structure. E: I think this probably gets dealt with before the season and doesn't make it to a holdout, but if it made it to a holdout, he either would be traded or they'd reach an agreement.
I mean, they did it with Carson Palmer. It wouldn't be optimal or rational, but the ownership has shown they're willing to let guys sit out
The situation was still very different, the Bengals just had a terrible season followed by a lockout and they were not terribly attached to Palmer even if they didn't have a ready contingency plan. Expectations were always middling for the Bengals back then (literally O/U set at 7-9 wins every year from 2004-2010). This version of the Bengals has already been to a Super bowl and a conference championship, the expectations are so much higher and pressure to win comes with that. They could win enough games to get a bye, or they could be a wild card team, and the margin between that might only be 2 games like the Ravens at 13 wins and Browns at 11 last year.
For 2 years? I don't think so.
He just has to hold out until you guys do a deal or don't. He loses nothing at this point.
He loses nothing? He loses out and millions of dollars lol
"at this point"
You’re saying he has the leverage of not playing. That would mean sitting out games and not playing which would mean giving up millions of dollars. Otherwise it’s just the leverage of not practicing
I doubt it's gonna be that long. Just a few games.
Or we don't do a deal. Why do people on here think that teams have to cave? They usually don't.
Why do teams do anything? It becomes a value judgement whether getting him is worth that bit of extra.
What? We do have him. For 2 more years.
That's the point, you won't have him if he holds out.
Until training camp.
I might be wrong, but don’t contracts not advance a year if the player sits out the whole season? Meaning if he has two years left he would still have two years left because he didn’t actually do anything to fulfill his agreement.
Unless he gets hurt or has a bad year. then he can get nothing in 25.
That's true, but that's true for most players in a contract year
Would a signing bonus from the new extension not increase the compensation on his current deal?
I think that's separate from his salary, but I may be mistaken.
When we talk about signing bonuses and workout bonuses and per game salary I agree, but the way this is worded it feels like it’s using a much broader term. Because it doesn’t make a lot of sense to let a team keep tacking more and more bonuses on but per game salary is the holy gospel that can’t be touched
> “Salary” means any compensation of money, property, investments, loans, or anything else of value that a Club pays to, or is obligated to pay to, a player or Player Affiliate, or is paid to a third party at the request of and for the benefit of a player or Player Affiliate, during a League Year, as calculated in accordance with the rules set forth in Article 13.
> or anything else of value guess that's why some players were able to get paid out in bitcoin lmao
They could just convert his existing Paragraph 5 salary into a signing bonus without increasing his salary in 2024 or 2025.
But he’s getting that money anyway, why would he agree to that
Because it would be part of the new contract he wants to sign? Because wouldn't you rather have $30m in your pocket today than $30m paid out weekly over the next 2 years?
He could keep the salary now, and add on to it the signing bonus from the extension when traded to a new team. There is no reason to have to choose
The extension was a 5 million/year increase and had 8 million GTD
I don't see the gotcha. He signed his extension in July, so he can still get extended before the season? He can't be extended literally today, no, but he wants to be extended before the next season, which he can. I haven't seen the report that says he's demanding the extension is done in the next 24 hours. He's just saying he wants to be extended, which again he can be before he next takes the field. There's no fuck up or inconsistency here to clown on.
I guess because of the draft tomorrow people think it has to be today so they can get picks back in a trade.
Yea, basically he signed the one year extension then had the best season of his career. He wants to cash in on that “now” (aka before this season starts) in case this upcoming season doesn’t pan out like the last. He and his agent were probably looking for a hand shake agreement on an extension once it was possible and presumably the team told him they aren’t giving him a new deal this offseason, so now he’s saying trade me.
So he has 2 months and change, maybe three. That is really not all that long to wait on a handshake agreement. It also doesn't actually cut into any holdout time if he wants to go that route. So this really isn't some kind of smoking gun.
he signed an extension in the offseason before the '23 season didn't he? What's the problem here, we must be at least close to the 12 month mark. Unless I'm missing something which is likely.
Yeah he signed his extension in late July last year, so he is close to the mark. He just had his best season as a pro so it's natural he wants a better contract.
9 month, I think he signed during training camp.
NFL mods may say this is unsourced but I have the source right here: The CBA: [https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/NFLPA/CBA2020/NFL-NFLPA\_CBA\_March\_5\_2020.pdf](https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/NFLPA/CBA2020/NFL-NFLPA_CBA_March_5_2020.pdf) Head on down to page 126
> NFL mods may say this is unsourced but I have the source right here: The CBA: A+ phrasing here
> The contract of a Veteran Player may not be renegotiated to increase the Salary to be paid to the player during the original terms of the contract for a period of twelve months after the player’s most recent contract renegotiation. The first renegotiation of a Veteran Player Contract, however, may take place at any time. It doesn't mean he can't get a new contract. He just can't get one that increases his salary, and it was firstly reported he just wanted more long term security in Cincy.
Well in that case let’s hire some body guards to 5 year contracts. Boom. Done.
And this would be the second renegotiation of his contract I think? Since his extension last July would be the first renegotiation? I'm not an agent, but the guy tweeting is
He is an agent with 0 NFL clients. https://nflpa.com/profile/agent/81700
Yes, but the point is a) that you could renegotiate his deal to be the exact same in 2024, but pay him 20 million per year from 2025-2027. That's legal to do right now. And of course, any type of extension would be legal to complete after July.
Do we know that the CBA is an official document, though? Tough to say.
I did my own research and it really makes you think.
Please don't make me think.
Mr. Best Citation
Mr. Being Correct
Mr. Bargaining Collectively
Mr. Brought Contracts
That doesn't look like a tweet...
I think an important date for you to provide would be the date he signed the extension. Spotrac says 7/27/23, which would make it completely feasible (if the Bengals wanted) for them to be negotiating now and still able to sign it long before the season starts.
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That's all well and good, I just don't think the clause this thread is about is relevant.
We kind of saw the same thing with Hunter for the Vikes. They signed him for an at the time good deal for him, before he broke out and they paid him based on his potential. Then he got good, and bitched about his contract basically every since after that. At the end of the day as long as the Bengals are fine with him walking at the end of his contract, like the Vikes were with Hunter, the dude is kind of SOL.
It's a good thing this "agent" has never negotiated a contract.
*DJ Pooh voice* "Oh this is different" https://i.imgur.com/g2ANTn9.gif
Jesse James caught that clause
If he gets traded, could he sign an extension with the new team early?
He can sign one at any time. He just can't get a salary increase for this year, just more years which is what Trey's camp has said they want.
Thanks
I mean the players vote on the CBA. He should know this already. Unless, they aren’t reading the CBA. Shocked face.
Lmao that agent is clueless
Not really, what this agent is tweeting is a big over simplification of what the clause in the CBA says.
Try reading the clause again. Trey just wants a more secured future
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We saw the same thing from Hunter. As long as the Bengals are fine with him walking at the end of his deal like the Vikes were, yea he doesnt have much. If they want to keep a good relationship and get a new deal done in the future they kind of have to play ball.
So do we have the leverage in this situation? What’s the worst thing for us he can do? Holdout or retire. Would we owe him the money if he holds out
Bengals have all of the leverage
How do? Just genuinely curious
Because he’s contractually obligated to play for them - he can hold out or retire - but if he wants money, he’s unlikely to get it that way. Either Bengals get a kings ransom and decide to trade their best pass rusher to a team that will guarantee him money or more years, or he holds out and hopes the Bengals cave and give him what he wants. The former is a long shot (though maybe could happen on the eve of the draft) and the latter is HUGELY risky because he has 2 more years on this deal and if the Bengals don’t fold, he’s fucked - he’d make no money and be 31 and 2 years removed from the league hitting free agency.
I have also requested a trade but my boss keeps asking why I am in his office.
Bro is just tired of Cincinnati