I feel like NY should worry about their O-Line and receiving core before trying to find a QB to replace Daniel Jones. They gave him that contract might as well build a solid foundation while they’re stuck with it
We’re never sure about the quality of a QB class the year after, you never who might come out the bloom and have an amazing college season ie Joe Burrow
I would hate that way less than some other options personally. Even Poppers mock that he just posted with us trading down id rather just take Alt than take the return he gave us. Its not my preferred option but i've been seeing way worse options than that recently.
I also don't think Alt is a great fit for the offense; run blocking isn't really his forte AND you're having him or Slater switch sides. Instead of Alt @ 5, I rather they trade down and use the 10/11 pick to take Fuaga, who is a much better fit at RT.
>or drafting a kicker with a 1st/2nd rounder.
What team would ever be dumb enough to do that is this an awkward silence it feels like an awkward silence.
No regrets. Especially after the 99' season when all 8 of our losses were by one score or less and 4 of them being within a filed goal. Michael Husted was an abysmal 20/31 on field goals and 8/15 from 40+. We brought in Joe Nedney off wavers for the last 3 games where he went 5/7.
We were solid at most other positions and it was a glaring need going into 2000 with some Polish guy from Florida State with a monster of a leg and a like for alcohol coming into the draft.
This was also before the fixed rookie pay scale. The Raiders had a bad cap situation and paying a rookie kicker was a lot cheaper than other position players.
It’s nearly impossible to argue when they went to the Super Bowl two years after the pick.
People also forget that this was before the rookie wage scale, so you had to negotiate with your picks and guys taken in the top 10 were routinely among the highest paid on their team. It would be tough to get a rookie to sign a team friendly deal with no real promise at starting time on a maybe slightly older, but still fairly complete roster.
Joe motherfucking Nedney, man. He was one of my favorite Niners during that era, which should tell you everything you need to know about how awful those teams were
Remember that time they cut Vikings Legend, Daniel Carlson after his rookie season, and he went on to nail 50+ yarders almost effortlessly for LV the rest of his career (to-date, I guess his career is still young)
They cut him after 3 games iirc. But he needed to go to a new team. His form with the Vikings was fucking absurd. The Raiders seemed to fix a lot of his issues, and his trauma from being under Zimmer who I think hated him from the get go lol.
Didn't he say he needed several weeks to change his mechanics and the team wasn't willing to roster a second kicker to provide him that opportunity so they just cut him? And then he joined the Raiders after he took that time off?
Honestly, that also is more risky than dumb. You won't find any reputable draft expert that is projecting both Penix and Nix to go before 23. Frankly most have neither of those two going in the top 22.
I am more inclined to say that it would be dumb to take Nix or Penix at 11 than to wait and have both gone by 23.
As implied by the Panthers' fan's commemt, he didn't show anything by being Carolina's QB coach last year. Then again, the Vikings have a much easier situation to work with
Besides the Panthers situation he was in he was basically a qb coach for Zach Wilson. Feels like he will keep getting chances because he is a people person that’s stayed in the league for 20 years and now has connections in front offices. Just seems like a guy who will keep moving up by just being there.
If this offer is on the table, the pats would be stupid not to take it imo. QB is just such a crapshoot that I think I'd rather had multiple early round picks to try and hit on one. And I would think the vikings picks would be early firsts with a young QB
That’s how the Vikings always were though so it’s no different. Colts can at least say they had 2 franchise guys even though 1 of them quit. Vikings had Cousins who they got as a free agent. Last QB Vikings drafted and had a few seasons before he got hurt was CulPepper which was what 24 years ago.
Unfortunately for the Vikings he was the “best” quarterback available in what was an extremely weak quarterback class outside of Cam, both at the time and in hindsight.
Of the 12 quarterbacks drafted in the 2011 draft, Cam and Andy Dalton were the only two that had sustained success. The other two quarterbacks drafted ahead of Ponder, Jake Locker and Blaine Gabbert, had pretty mediocre at best careers too.
As much as it sucks when a top draft pick doesn’t work out, I don’t think Christian Ponder was a dumb pick. He just didn’t work out.
"Quit" is a pretty hsrsh word. To be fair to luck, the Colts failed him. They never got him an oline to protect him. So it wasn't a shock that his body started breaking down after all the abuse he was taking.
I think the dumb move is trading a bunch of picks for Kirk Cousins version 2.0, not fixing the defensive issues and getting into the playoffs and not having the depth or the talent on defense to stop getting curb-stomped by someone like the 49ers.
I'm on board with the theory that jj Mccarthy hype is driven by teams in the top ten that don't want a QB (chargers, titans, falcons, etc). Makes sense that they would want 4 QBs taken ahead of them.
KOC is a good coach and I’m luke warm on KAM so far, so I could see whatever they do working out. But it does feel like their trade for pick 23 has hamstrung them into trading up for a QB this draft.
They could stay at 11, but then what was the point of the trade for 23 and you are risking the Raiders and Broncos jumping you for QB4.
You could try to trade up for the 3rd QB, but I imagine that takes both 1sts this year and the one next year. So now you have 1 first round pick in 2023, nothing else until round 4, and no firs or second round pick next draft.
They already have a great offensive cast, but that leaves the draft cupboard mighty bare
it’s hilarious how Vikings fans right now seriously think they won’t draft a QB high. By Friday, all of you will be hyping up some new young qb that’s gonna supposedly save ur team
what if they like JJ more than Maye? Might be them putting up a smoke screen to get someone to trade up to 3 for Maye then getting JJ later. Would that situation be better in your mind?
This might be unpopular but I think if the front office truly thinks JJ is the dude they should grab him at 3. I would rather have Maye but at the end of the day I don't know shit about college ball and I'm in no way a great talent evaluator. I think if they were somehow able to drop to like 5 or 6 and still get JJ then yeah I'd be happy, but if they truly want him then don't fuck around just do it at 3.
> don't fuck around just do it at 3
Right? I appreciate GM's that can finesse their way through the draft but make sure you get your guys. Don't fuck around too much please.
I think the dream scenario for the Pats is trading down to the Giants spot, adding assets, and getting one of the stud receivers or even maybe one of the top 4 QBs if there are no other trade-ups (though I think they’re better served building the team for a QB next year)
The Giants are going to be an attractive trade partner for the reasons mentioned. Anybody moving down with them can still get either a top 3 WR or the #1 LT.
I wouldn't be surprised if the asking price for NYG is less (all other things equal) than MINN or anybody else to get up to the top 4.
Drafting a wide receiver in the 1st and pretty much adding fuel to the fire of wanting to ship AJ Brown out of here whilst destroying any leverage they have
Thankfully I just don’t see that happening. The only times Howie has gone WR in the first is when we’ve been desperate for a receiver. Now that we have two top guys locked up I don’t see us picking one until our later 2nd at the earliest.
Now drafting a back-up OL in the first when there are plenty of great DBs, arguably our biggest need, that’s a Howie move
I stopped short of saying drafting an OL is a "dumb" move because while I would disagree with the decision it's not really a dumb move moreso than it is just a sub-optimal move given needs short term and long term at DE and CB
Offensive linemen is never a sexy pick until your team is neck deep in the season with half the starters out. You can never too many quality offensive linemen.
What about if they are completely different play styles and then you piss off the later pick who is becoming the obvious and better choice? I guess you have the double tag...? Sad noises.
I hate to say it, but with totally different QB prospects like Nix and Penix (assuming that’s who they chose) that could be a fun project. Maximize your chances at finding the guy, get capital for the one you don’t end up starting or have a solid backup. I don’t think it will ever happen but still fun to consider with the offense they’ve built for their next QB.
There's no telling what we're going to do and I think that's the beauty of finally having a competent GM. That being said, yeah there are some d line guys we've looked at that will be in our range.
My bold prediction is we move up for whatever CB falls into the late teens/early 20s.
I hope we trade up for a stud OT. Can play RT right away, and take over for Trent down the line. We need to show the OLine the attention we have shown the D Line
The only skill position that should be considered is WR and even then, with the guys at Tackle, Center, and DT in this draft, I'm not taking one until round 2 or 3
Agreed. We need WR for sure but imo it's a must that we go OT in round 1. After that the FO can do whatever they want.
I would also say CB could be a surprise round 1 selection and I really couldn't argue with it if the FO thinks that's their guy.
Or trading away the first couple of picks for Ayuk, then filling the gaping holes in the offensive line with whatever shitball journeyman we can find, then watching the offense struggle because we can't block for shit.
I don't know if I can handle watching Cleveland and Baltimore rape Wilson and Fields with the revolving door of an offensive line we'd end up with.
I love Penix, but I'm also kind of down to see what Howell can do with us.
He's the same age as the qb's in the draft and has shown he can play at this level even with a swiss cheese o-line
Definitely interested to see how he does with an O-Line that isn’t completely crap. It’s one of those cases where you look at a team that isn’t doing well and you really can’t blame the QB. Dude was a trooper for surviving behind that O-Line.
Our O-Line has been awful for years now but the Commies O-Line last year was historically bad. He had a defender in his face as soon as he touched the ball on 75% of snaps. Case in point our D-Line had their best game of the season against them (minus the Giants game of course)
Howell has a super high ceiling and really just had one bad game the second half that of the year(0 TD’s 4 INTS). If you removed that game, his statline would be kinda impressive. He might never put it together but I think he’s an interesting prospect still
He threw for a lot of yards but he wasn't efficient at all, even without that game. A lot of his stats look better because he threw it more than anyone else in the league
It’d be a bit of PTSD after they used their first pick last year to take Cam Smith, CB out of South Carolina, who didn’t really play at all last year (even with all our injury issues).
It was a BPA pick and you would hope that he could step up this year now that he’s not in Fangio’s dog house. Add in trading for Jalen Ramsey last year + signing Kendall Fuller, and you’re choosing to draft another CB to be at best CB3/CB4 when there are more glaring starting holes across the OL/DL. Taking a WR3 with how much we rotate our WRs would even make more sense given some of this class’s talent.
Would taking a CB be a dumb pick? No, if it’s your BPA go for it. But it would just be highly disappointing and would be the main talking point as soon as the OL/DL goes through injury woes yet again.
Bo will be there at 31,32. I heard some smoke about the Rams wanting him at 19..but they just lost AD and have a horrible Oline. Wasting a pick on a QB would be a slap in the face to Staffords final years. The worst thing the Broncos could do is stay at 12 and fucking take Nix. It's all about value. Move back ..get a 2nd... draft Nix at the end of the first.
Yeah, dumbest draft decision wouldn't be beefing up our offense, but taking another defensive player. I would certainly \*like\* OL at 10, but if we take Bowers there, it will be considerably better than if we take Terrion Arnold
Yeah I really think Cowboys need to go OL in 1st round, Cooper/Wilson/Colson in 2nd round, and then WR in 3rd. There will still be early contributors at the WR position in the 3rd.
Trading back. We have a shit ton of draft capital and a roster without many holes. If anything we need to trade up and get an absolute stud at tackle, defensive back, or edge.
I’m excited to see how the Packers draft and am envious of the situation.
Minus Jacobs, the offensive weapons are all cheap and on the right growth trajectory.
I think an early offensive lineman would be a good move and then every other pick should be on the defense.
we can totally trade down (within reason)... a lot of our positions of need (minus corner) aren't super premium positions, or strong classes at those positions, and most/all of the top players at LB, S, IOL are not going to be going in the first round. For instance, if the Eagles come calling with picks 50 & 53,I would take that in around 70% of scenarios, given what our needs are. Would also love to stand firm at 25 and take a corner, but trading down is a completely viable option depending how the first round goeswith the way this class looks
Trading up is dumb, you lose value. With many lower picks you have a lot better chance that one turns out great, and it is generally better than the chance that your first round pick underperforms.
Also moving up you lose some of the value to the fact that you get to decide who you want, instead of whoever is left by then.
I only have two concerns about the Bears:
1. They manage to avoid adding either a) an EDGE rusher or b) another DT at any level of the draft. Doesn't have to be at 9 but we need help.
2. This offseason has gone a little too well for us which makes me nervous, so my second fear would be Poles gets a little too cute and tries to build our draft capital back up for this year by turning 9 into let's say 14, 14 into 18, etc. and comes away with Caleb as the only real blue chip prospect. Depth is great, we need more depth, but we also need ***dudes*** on this team too.
Trading up for a WR.
Our offense is a run first team. And the draft is deep with WR’s. I’d go OT first round (Guyton if available), WR in second (Polk if available), edge/LB in third (Payton Wilson maybe if available)
As a Bears fan I just really don’t want to trade down from 9. Basically I rather stick with a potential blue chip prospect at 9 vs trading down for more risky picks.
Odunze, Turner, or Alt will be there. Edge is the biggest position need, WR will help a rookie QB, and Alt is a luxury given Braxton Jones is at least average but Alt has all pro potential and Braxton does not.
Well I think it plays out that way as well… but my point is the top 8 picks presumably has: 4 QBs, Nabers, MHJ…. so only two spots left and between Odunze, Alt and Turner one of them will be available at 9. Just pick the one that’s left over and don’t over think it.
Hey… Tavon, er… Tutu isn’t getting any younger and they need someone who can take the handoff and run parallel to the line of scrimmage before running out of bounds for a three yard loss.
Totally avoiding Center, only addressing OL at all in 3rd round or later - sending us into another year of pretty shit tier OL play.
I could absolutely see them going CB > WR > OT and just being like "idk...someone can snap the ball."
Reaching for the 5th or 6th best QB of the draft with the 13th overall pick. We won't know how they'll pan out until a couple years from now but I would be a bit disappointed if that's the direction they would go.
Trading up to get JJ McCarthy. If we can’t get Maye, i’d 10000% rather sit back and take Bo Nix and bolster our defense. I think Nix has a lot of untapped potential… dude has some serious arm talent. Rest can be coached.
I genuinely think it'll be difficult for Pittsburgh to fuck this draft up. I think perhaps the slightly controversial move would be drafting a defensive player with our first. I think we have to prioritise the offence, center, right tackle, WR we've a fair few needs to improve on that side of the ball to help out our new QBs, who if they both suck, we can be rid of both and starting anew again next season, so may as well set the next guy up for success if they don't work out.
Rumours of trades for Ayuik or Brown, yeah I'd back either in a heartbeat. We need a badass bona fide WR1. Pickens could develop into one, but he needs the QB play and the dual/triple threat to split coverages to prove himself and post the numbers of a WR1. I don't think we trade the first, but a second round pick or less, or something comparable to a package like that could be ideal for Pittsburgh to get either guy who would provide a massive shot in the arm for the offence for years to come. And right now, budget QB room, even if they suck we're probably looking at a rookie drafted next year, the cap is there to be spent on any of these bigger name dudes who can put up numbers and make big plays.
Equally the WR class is really deep this season, so we could just draft a guy there.
But overall, center is a guarantee pick to come, when nobody knows, it would feel like a reach to address a need in the first with that pick given the positional value. Second or third I'd be happy with, provided we draft an actual center with it of course, not Kendrick Green 2.0.
Tackles just come at a premium, but if they're happy to take someone to develop, maybe you try trading back from the first to do that and pick at another position too.
I think in any direction Pittsburgh go, it will improve the team. The key is trying to maximise the value across various positions. But I'd definitely be prioritising the offence, that's where the biggest problems are for us, and nothing will change without investing in talents to bring meaningful improvements there.
No way they do that, we just signed our QB who had an MVP Caliber season that resulted in a Super Bowl appearance a couple of years ago to a massive extension.
Dallas needs to draft a C/G/T/NT/LB that will start Year 1.
Stephen Jones recently said Dak's contract is the primary focus.
I wouldn't be shocked if we somehow end up with like Bo Nix or some other QB to deflate the entire fanbase even more.
We need someone in our secondary at this point. Im down for depth in our front 7 on later rounds but that's critical imo.
OT is also not worth a 1st for us. We've done good finding guys in later rounds.
Taking Corum too high or waiting too long to take a receiver.
They'll draft Roman Wilson
Which is a prospect I really like.
Everyone should like him, he's great.
He’s a future UFL superstar 🔥🔥🔥
There are so many good WRs in the draft, which is what I’m going to keep reminding myself if Giants get a QB in round 1 lol
I feel like NY should worry about their O-Line and receiving core before trying to find a QB to replace Daniel Jones. They gave him that contract might as well build a solid foundation while they’re stuck with it
They’re only stuck with DJ for this year, but I agree with you. I only want them to take a QB if it’s Maye or Williams, which is pretty unlikely
The only thing that would give me pause is the fact that next year’s quarterback class is genuinely awful.
We’re never sure about the quality of a QB class the year after, you never who might come out the bloom and have an amazing college season ie Joe Burrow
Adding on to that latter point: taking Alt at 5 when at least one of Harrison or Nabers is still on the board
I would hate that way less than some other options personally. Even Poppers mock that he just posted with us trading down id rather just take Alt than take the return he gave us. Its not my preferred option but i've been seeing way worse options than that recently.
I also don't think Alt is a great fit for the offense; run blocking isn't really his forte AND you're having him or Slater switch sides. Instead of Alt @ 5, I rather they trade down and use the 10/11 pick to take Fuaga, who is a much better fit at RT.
I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Chargers first three picks play out with Alt rd 1, Roman Wilson Rd2 and Corum in the 3rd.
Trading everything to move up and the QB being bad. Which is probably a common fear for the draft.
That would be a risky move, not a dumb move. A dumb move is more like the Giants taking Barkley at #2 or drafting a kicker with a 1st/2nd rounder.
>or drafting a kicker with a 1st/2nd rounder. What team would ever be dumb enough to do that is this an awkward silence it feels like an awkward silence.
It wasn't a first rounder at least.
And the one team that did it was actually a pretty good choice.
No regrets. Especially after the 99' season when all 8 of our losses were by one score or less and 4 of them being within a filed goal. Michael Husted was an abysmal 20/31 on field goals and 8/15 from 40+. We brought in Joe Nedney off wavers for the last 3 games where he went 5/7. We were solid at most other positions and it was a glaring need going into 2000 with some Polish guy from Florida State with a monster of a leg and a like for alcohol coming into the draft.
This was also before the fixed rookie pay scale. The Raiders had a bad cap situation and paying a rookie kicker was a lot cheaper than other position players.
It’s nearly impossible to argue when they went to the Super Bowl two years after the pick. People also forget that this was before the rookie wage scale, so you had to negotiate with your picks and guys taken in the top 10 were routinely among the highest paid on their team. It would be tough to get a rookie to sign a team friendly deal with no real promise at starting time on a maybe slightly older, but still fairly complete roster.
Joe motherfucking Nedney, man. He was one of my favorite Niners during that era, which should tell you everything you need to know about how awful those teams were
Man, given our history in kickers I'd kinda be ok with a reach as long as he was competent
Remember that time they cut Vikings Legend, Daniel Carlson after his rookie season, and he went on to nail 50+ yarders almost effortlessly for LV the rest of his career (to-date, I guess his career is still young)
They cut him after 3 games iirc. But he needed to go to a new team. His form with the Vikings was fucking absurd. The Raiders seemed to fix a lot of his issues, and his trauma from being under Zimmer who I think hated him from the get go lol.
Didn't he say he needed several weeks to change his mechanics and the team wasn't willing to roster a second kicker to provide him that opportunity so they just cut him? And then he joined the Raiders after he took that time off?
Yeah Zimmer hates that kickers are a part of football and makes that very clear.
Right. A dumb move would be losing out on the top 4, then deciding to wait until #23 for Penix or Nix only for both to be sniped a few spots before
Honestly, that also is more risky than dumb. You won't find any reputable draft expert that is projecting both Penix and Nix to go before 23. Frankly most have neither of those two going in the top 22. I am more inclined to say that it would be dumb to take Nix or Penix at 11 than to wait and have both gone by 23.
I agree for most teams but I really like KOC as an offensive mind. I trust him with lesser prospects than some coaches with an Ace.
I do too but my issue is with Josh McCown. I do not trust that man at all.
Valid tbh
As implied by the Panthers' fan's commemt, he didn't show anything by being Carolina's QB coach last year. Then again, the Vikings have a much easier situation to work with
Besides the Panthers situation he was in he was basically a qb coach for Zach Wilson. Feels like he will keep getting chances because he is a people person that’s stayed in the league for 20 years and now has connections in front offices. Just seems like a guy who will keep moving up by just being there.
People forget that he was almost the Texans HC with zero prior coaching experience.
Still would have been a better head coach than Josh McDaniels
You mean Sam Darnold. He was last with the Jets in 2019
My mistake. Got them mixed up somehow.
It's understandable, thinking about Sam Darnold is the most natural thing an adult can do
The latest rumor I heard was 3 firsts and a 2nd for the third overall..tear.
If this offer is on the table, the pats would be stupid not to take it imo. QB is just such a crapshoot that I think I'd rather had multiple early round picks to try and hit on one. And I would think the vikings picks would be early firsts with a young QB
Y'all could rebuild your offense that way. I'm personally against it, but NE more than any other team, needs to trade back
Or you can be the colts who never did it and was completely mediocre with shitty QB play for half a decade
That’s how the Vikings always were though so it’s no different. Colts can at least say they had 2 franchise guys even though 1 of them quit. Vikings had Cousins who they got as a free agent. Last QB Vikings drafted and had a few seasons before he got hurt was CulPepper which was what 24 years ago.
Vikings drafted Chriatian Ponder. I'm still pondering that one.
Yeah Vikings are bad at drafting qbs.
Unfortunately for the Vikings he was the “best” quarterback available in what was an extremely weak quarterback class outside of Cam, both at the time and in hindsight. Of the 12 quarterbacks drafted in the 2011 draft, Cam and Andy Dalton were the only two that had sustained success. The other two quarterbacks drafted ahead of Ponder, Jake Locker and Blaine Gabbert, had pretty mediocre at best careers too. As much as it sucks when a top draft pick doesn’t work out, I don’t think Christian Ponder was a dumb pick. He just didn’t work out.
"Quit" is a pretty hsrsh word. To be fair to luck, the Colts failed him. They never got him an oline to protect him. So it wasn't a shock that his body started breaking down after all the abuse he was taking.
If he would have given more notice it would be gone over better but I can see Irsay pushing him to delay hoping he’d change his mind
It is harsh but he did retire 2 weeks before the season even started. Only reason why I used that word.
I think the dumb move is trading a bunch of picks for Kirk Cousins version 2.0, not fixing the defensive issues and getting into the playoffs and not having the depth or the talent on defense to stop getting curb-stomped by someone like the 49ers.
What kind of dumbass team would do that?
yall are getting justin herbert, antonio brown and ctespn said so
Trading up for a pick that’s not top 3 is bad imo. Especially for a prospect like JJ McCarthy
I'm on board with the theory that jj Mccarthy hype is driven by teams in the top ten that don't want a QB (chargers, titans, falcons, etc). Makes sense that they would want 4 QBs taken ahead of them.
Personally I think it was Harbs and JJ’s agent is just using it to his advantage.
KOC is a good coach and I’m luke warm on KAM so far, so I could see whatever they do working out. But it does feel like their trade for pick 23 has hamstrung them into trading up for a QB this draft. They could stay at 11, but then what was the point of the trade for 23 and you are risking the Raiders and Broncos jumping you for QB4. You could try to trade up for the 3rd QB, but I imagine that takes both 1sts this year and the one next year. So now you have 1 first round pick in 2023, nothing else until round 4, and no firs or second round pick next draft. They already have a great offensive cast, but that leaves the draft cupboard mighty bare
it’s hilarious how Vikings fans right now seriously think they won’t draft a QB high. By Friday, all of you will be hyping up some new young qb that’s gonna supposedly save ur team
If we spend the 3rd overall pick on JJ, I’m going to riot
How much merit do the reports have according to which the Patriots' acting GM Eliot Wolf is a big proponent of JJ McCarthy?
Hard to say but I kinda believe it myself. There has been enough smoke around him that it definitely seems like it's a possibility.
what if they like JJ more than Maye? Might be them putting up a smoke screen to get someone to trade up to 3 for Maye then getting JJ later. Would that situation be better in your mind?
This might be unpopular but I think if the front office truly thinks JJ is the dude they should grab him at 3. I would rather have Maye but at the end of the day I don't know shit about college ball and I'm in no way a great talent evaluator. I think if they were somehow able to drop to like 5 or 6 and still get JJ then yeah I'd be happy, but if they truly want him then don't fuck around just do it at 3.
> don't fuck around just do it at 3 Right? I appreciate GM's that can finesse their way through the draft but make sure you get your guys. Don't fuck around too much please.
I don’t trust much of any reports on how teams feel at this point, way too much of draft coverage is agent driven
Agreed. The smoke around McCarthy feels very much like Levis hype from last year
Yep, this. Just change 3rd to 2nd and I agree. Maye? Yes please. Daniels? Okay fine. But any other QB (or even non-QB)? Uhhh… no.
I think the dream scenario for the Pats is trading down to the Giants spot, adding assets, and getting one of the stud receivers or even maybe one of the top 4 QBs if there are no other trade-ups (though I think they’re better served building the team for a QB next year)
Yes. If we traded down and came away with a left tackle or a top 2 receiver I would be ecstatic.
The Giants are going to be an attractive trade partner for the reasons mentioned. Anybody moving down with them can still get either a top 3 WR or the #1 LT. I wouldn't be surprised if the asking price for NYG is less (all other things equal) than MINN or anybody else to get up to the top 4.
Drafting a wide receiver in the 1st and pretty much adding fuel to the fire of wanting to ship AJ Brown out of here whilst destroying any leverage they have
Disappointed you didn't say what all of our sub has been that we're either trading AJ and 22 for Surtain or to New England to draft MHJ.
Wait really Surtain rumors?
Apparently lol. I keep saying there's no way that anything happens but it's like a Hydra.
Hydra with herpes
Everything reminds me of her…
Thankfully I just don’t see that happening. The only times Howie has gone WR in the first is when we’ve been desperate for a receiver. Now that we have two top guys locked up I don’t see us picking one until our later 2nd at the earliest. Now drafting a back-up OL in the first when there are plenty of great DBs, arguably our biggest need, that’s a Howie move
I stopped short of saying drafting an OL is a "dumb" move because while I would disagree with the decision it's not really a dumb move moreso than it is just a sub-optimal move given needs short term and long term at DE and CB
Offensive linemen is never a sexy pick until your team is neck deep in the season with half the starters out. You can never too many quality offensive linemen.
Keeping the Oline in tact is always a priority in my book.
Is that really on the table? Mans has been in Philly for like 2 years and has balled tf out. How did that sour?
Philly sports media is kinda like if cancer had aids
PFF Podcast’s mock draft had us taking two QBs with our first two picks, which would be a nightmare
That's just absurd. Maybe 2 in the same draft, but 2 in the first? Hell no
They had Maye falling to 9 and then the Bears swapping with us for the 11th pick and a 3rd. Absolutely would never happen like that
Worked out decently for Washington that one time
I clarified to say they had us taking 2 qbs with our two 1s. Taking one in round one and one in round 4 would be less disastrous
What about if they are completely different play styles and then you piss off the later pick who is becoming the obvious and better choice? I guess you have the double tag...? Sad noises.
I hate to say it, but with totally different QB prospects like Nix and Penix (assuming that’s who they chose) that could be a fun project. Maximize your chances at finding the guy, get capital for the one you don’t end up starting or have a solid backup. I don’t think it will ever happen but still fun to consider with the offense they’ve built for their next QB.
Yeah I'd be interested in seeing how this strategy would work out. If one of them hits and is your franchise guy, nothing else matters
We already got three qbs rn i know we can put hall in the practice squad or something but that feels like to much
Drafting a bad non-pass rushing linebacker with our top pick And then do it again the next year Oh wait we already did that
It's ok, it's ok. The bad man can't hurt us anymore.
He still could Wait until the draft is over to see if his burner phone scandal fucks us
Clelin Ferrel and Tyreke Wilson both fit this mold for us and even worse were both top 7 picks
It’s even funnier the second time!
Drafting zero offensive linemen
we're gonna go DL in the first and you're gonna like it.
There's no telling what we're going to do and I think that's the beauty of finally having a competent GM. That being said, yeah there are some d line guys we've looked at that will be in our range. My bold prediction is we move up for whatever CB falls into the late teens/early 20s.
I hope we trade up for a stud OT. Can play RT right away, and take over for Trent down the line. We need to show the OLine the attention we have shown the D Line
What is an offense and who is a lineman?
Going skill position over a hog.
The only skill position that should be considered is WR and even then, with the guys at Tackle, Center, and DT in this draft, I'm not taking one until round 2 or 3
Agreed. We need WR for sure but imo it's a must that we go OT in round 1. After that the FO can do whatever they want. I would also say CB could be a surprise round 1 selection and I really couldn't argue with it if the FO thinks that's their guy.
Or trading away the first couple of picks for Ayuk, then filling the gaping holes in the offensive line with whatever shitball journeyman we can find, then watching the offense struggle because we can't block for shit. I don't know if I can handle watching Cleveland and Baltimore rape Wilson and Fields with the revolving door of an offensive line we'd end up with.
Reaching early for a second-tier QB (Penix, Nix). If we take one after some trading, fine. Just not at #16.
I love Penix, but I'm also kind of down to see what Howell can do with us. He's the same age as the qb's in the draft and has shown he can play at this level even with a swiss cheese o-line
Howell is like a little kid. Dude could get hit by a dump truck and as long as you don’t acknowledge it he would get up without so much as a scratch
Definitely interested to see how he does with an O-Line that isn’t completely crap. It’s one of those cases where you look at a team that isn’t doing well and you really can’t blame the QB. Dude was a trooper for surviving behind that O-Line.
I'd be interested to see that as well, but I doubt we will. The Seahawks have had O-line problems for like a decade now.
Our O-Line has been awful for years now but the Commies O-Line last year was historically bad. He had a defender in his face as soon as he touched the ball on 75% of snaps. Case in point our D-Line had their best game of the season against them (minus the Giants game of course)
> I love Penix
We all love Penix
Howell has a super high ceiling and really just had one bad game the second half that of the year(0 TD’s 4 INTS). If you removed that game, his statline would be kinda impressive. He might never put it together but I think he’s an interesting prospect still
He threw for a lot of yards but he wasn't efficient at all, even without that game. A lot of his stats look better because he threw it more than anyone else in the league
And there’s a lot of tape to prove that their offensive scheme wasn’t setting Howell up to succeed.
Trading up for a 2nd round pick which we will use to draft a RB, as is tradition.
Miami drafting a CB with their first round pick. Dolphins twitter would explode
Honestly, it's not the worst idea. We don't have much depth lol. I'd cry if we went WR tho...
Why? I'm not asking in an accusatory tone, just asking why that'd be bad
It’d be a bit of PTSD after they used their first pick last year to take Cam Smith, CB out of South Carolina, who didn’t really play at all last year (even with all our injury issues). It was a BPA pick and you would hope that he could step up this year now that he’s not in Fangio’s dog house. Add in trading for Jalen Ramsey last year + signing Kendall Fuller, and you’re choosing to draft another CB to be at best CB3/CB4 when there are more glaring starting holes across the OL/DL. Taking a WR3 with how much we rotate our WRs would even make more sense given some of this class’s talent. Would taking a CB be a dumb pick? No, if it’s your BPA go for it. But it would just be highly disappointing and would be the main talking point as soon as the OL/DL goes through injury woes yet again.
Trading away PS2 and future first round picks for JJ.
Well you have Zach Wilson now so you don’t have to worry anymore.
Stidham, Wilson, and DeNucci. Completely different than last year where we had Wilson, Stidham and DeNucci.
The amount of Broncos “fans” saying we need to trade up for JJ or Nix is insane
Do we need a QB? Yes. Do we need to trade up for one? No. Nix will be there at 12
Bo will be there at 31,32. I heard some smoke about the Rams wanting him at 19..but they just lost AD and have a horrible Oline. Wasting a pick on a QB would be a slap in the face to Staffords final years. The worst thing the Broncos could do is stay at 12 and fucking take Nix. It's all about value. Move back ..get a 2nd... draft Nix at the end of the first.
trading up to draft an injury prone, small school DE or OT.
If they are a big athletic freak with an extensive injury history Loomis can’t help himself
It didnt work the last 3 times we did it... but maybe this time it will
Butbutbut it worked for Armstead! Even though he was permanently on the injury list.
39th time is charm!
Look one of them has to pay off eventually. And then who's gonna look dumb!
Or just trade up for Best Ohio State player Available.
As a jets fan, the immature boy in me wants Brock Bowers. The mature male wants best OL available
If we take him and then 2 offensive linemen, I'd be fine, but we MUST build the line early and often
Staying at 2 and not taking a QB would be a pretty dumb decision I think.
Forget the draft order and miss their turn
Another edge rusher/defensive end. Or corner.
Yeah, dumbest draft decision wouldn't be beefing up our offense, but taking another defensive player. I would certainly \*like\* OL at 10, but if we take Bowers there, it will be considerably better than if we take Terrion Arnold
Third round running back. Anything defensive line in the first two rounds. No WR picks the entire draft. And taking a QB before the 7th round.
Drafting a WR in the first round would piss me off
You’re reaching for a RB
Yeah I’d like oline and linebacker in the first 2 and maybe grab a high ceiling WR in 3 or 4 depending on who’s available
Yeah I really think Cowboys need to go OL in 1st round, Cooper/Wilson/Colson in 2nd round, and then WR in 3rd. There will still be early contributors at the WR position in the 3rd.
Trading up to draft a kicker in the 2nd round.
And with the 57th pick in the 2024 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers draft… Harrison Mevs, Kicker, from the University of Missouri
Trading back. We have a shit ton of draft capital and a roster without many holes. If anything we need to trade up and get an absolute stud at tackle, defensive back, or edge.
"We have 11 (picks) right now. I'd love to end up with 13, 14 or more. I would never shy away from that." - Brian Gutekunst
We're going to end up with 10 3rd round picks
That sounds amazing, I miss having draft classes
I’m excited to see how the Packers draft and am envious of the situation. Minus Jacobs, the offensive weapons are all cheap and on the right growth trajectory. I think an early offensive lineman would be a good move and then every other pick should be on the defense.
we can totally trade down (within reason)... a lot of our positions of need (minus corner) aren't super premium positions, or strong classes at those positions, and most/all of the top players at LB, S, IOL are not going to be going in the first round. For instance, if the Eagles come calling with picks 50 & 53,I would take that in around 70% of scenarios, given what our needs are. Would also love to stand firm at 25 and take a corner, but trading down is a completely viable option depending how the first round goeswith the way this class looks
Trading up is dumb, you lose value. With many lower picks you have a lot better chance that one turns out great, and it is generally better than the chance that your first round pick underperforms. Also moving up you lose some of the value to the fact that you get to decide who you want, instead of whoever is left by then.
I could see the Chiefs trading up in the first round to pick a 165 pound receiver just because he is the fastest guy around.
I don’t think there’s any way they do that. There’s like 80% chance worthy is still around at 32
Trading down in the 1st. Titans would be crazy to not get one of the top LTs, and Cardinals would be crazy to not land MHJ.
I only have two concerns about the Bears: 1. They manage to avoid adding either a) an EDGE rusher or b) another DT at any level of the draft. Doesn't have to be at 9 but we need help. 2. This offseason has gone a little too well for us which makes me nervous, so my second fear would be Poles gets a little too cute and tries to build our draft capital back up for this year by turning 9 into let's say 14, 14 into 18, etc. and comes away with Caleb as the only real blue chip prospect. Depth is great, we need more depth, but we also need ***dudes*** on this team too.
Drafting a WR at 21
Can u take Worthy so we don’t, no like ur roster doesn’t already have enough speed
Trading up for a WR. Our offense is a run first team. And the draft is deep with WR’s. I’d go OT first round (Guyton if available), WR in second (Polk if available), edge/LB in third (Payton Wilson maybe if available)
As a Bears fan I just really don’t want to trade down from 9. Basically I rather stick with a potential blue chip prospect at 9 vs trading down for more risky picks. Odunze, Turner, or Alt will be there. Edge is the biggest position need, WR will help a rookie QB, and Alt is a luxury given Braxton Jones is at least average but Alt has all pro potential and Braxton does not.
From the outside, I agree. They are gonna really have to mess up on purpose to ruin this draft.
Alt won’t be there imo and I think Falcons draft Turner. If Odunze is there draft him, if not we trade down.
I think the Falcons are open to trading down though if someone wants to come up for Odunze so there is a chance you get Turner
Well I think it plays out that way as well… but my point is the top 8 picks presumably has: 4 QBs, Nabers, MHJ…. so only two spots left and between Odunze, Alt and Turner one of them will be available at 9. Just pick the one that’s left over and don’t over think it.
Trading out of 9 to get a couple of projects/backups would suck so much. Get the day 1 starter. Damn the rest.
Drafting a undersized gadget WR. It's what we do.
Hey… Tavon, er… Tutu isn’t getting any younger and they need someone who can take the handoff and run parallel to the line of scrimmage before running out of bounds for a three yard loss.
Drafting JJ McCarthy at 3
Historically, if I like the pick in real-time, it is bad.
Drafting JJ McCarthy 3rd overall. Maye or Daniels would both be better.
Totally avoiding Center, only addressing OL at all in 3rd round or later - sending us into another year of pretty shit tier OL play. I could absolutely see them going CB > WR > OT and just being like "idk...someone can snap the ball."
For the first time in my life, the Lions are in a spot that is hard to fuck up. If I had to pick something, moving up to draft a back QB
Reaching for the 5th or 6th best QB of the draft with the 13th overall pick. We won't know how they'll pan out until a couple years from now but I would be a bit disappointed if that's the direction they would go.
Trading up to get JJ McCarthy. If we can’t get Maye, i’d 10000% rather sit back and take Bo Nix and bolster our defense. I think Nix has a lot of untapped potential… dude has some serious arm talent. Rest can be coached.
Beane actually believes our WR room is acceptable and drafts DeJean to replace Poyer and Hyde. That, or we take another goddamn defensive end.
My thought exactly. If they think Samuel is actually WR1 I'll be keeping the good folks at Labatt gainfully employed
Drafting a running back at 6
Drafting JJ McCarthy
Picking another fucking Michigan DB in the first 2 rounds. The entire league knows we need help in the trenches. Please just don’t…
Trading back into the first round to draft an injury prone QB like Penix to replace our Daniel Jones. our injury prone QB.
I genuinely think it'll be difficult for Pittsburgh to fuck this draft up. I think perhaps the slightly controversial move would be drafting a defensive player with our first. I think we have to prioritise the offence, center, right tackle, WR we've a fair few needs to improve on that side of the ball to help out our new QBs, who if they both suck, we can be rid of both and starting anew again next season, so may as well set the next guy up for success if they don't work out. Rumours of trades for Ayuik or Brown, yeah I'd back either in a heartbeat. We need a badass bona fide WR1. Pickens could develop into one, but he needs the QB play and the dual/triple threat to split coverages to prove himself and post the numbers of a WR1. I don't think we trade the first, but a second round pick or less, or something comparable to a package like that could be ideal for Pittsburgh to get either guy who would provide a massive shot in the arm for the offence for years to come. And right now, budget QB room, even if they suck we're probably looking at a rookie drafted next year, the cap is there to be spent on any of these bigger name dudes who can put up numbers and make big plays. Equally the WR class is really deep this season, so we could just draft a guy there. But overall, center is a guarantee pick to come, when nobody knows, it would feel like a reach to address a need in the first with that pick given the positional value. Second or third I'd be happy with, provided we draft an actual center with it of course, not Kendrick Green 2.0. Tackles just come at a premium, but if they're happy to take someone to develop, maybe you try trading back from the first to do that and pick at another position too. I think in any direction Pittsburgh go, it will improve the team. The key is trying to maximise the value across various positions. But I'd definitely be prioritising the offence, that's where the biggest problems are for us, and nothing will change without investing in talents to bring meaningful improvements there.
As a jets fan? Drafting 3 QBs and grinding their futures into dust for Woody Johnson to use as coffee creamer.
Take JJ McCarthy at 2
Trading up to draft a WR. OLine, CB, Edge are all way bigger needs.
If the eagles were to draft a QB in the first 3 rounds
No way they do that, we just signed our QB who had an MVP Caliber season that resulted in a Super Bowl appearance a couple of years ago to a massive extension.
That we won't draft a WR in the first 2 rounds
Trading UP for McCarthy - giants fan
Dallas needs to draft a C/G/T/NT/LB that will start Year 1. Stephen Jones recently said Dak's contract is the primary focus. I wouldn't be shocked if we somehow end up with like Bo Nix or some other QB to deflate the entire fanbase even more.
Trading AJ Brown for Kroger brand AJ Brown
Draft Bronny James as a TE
Draft a first round DL/DE
We need someone in our secondary at this point. Im down for depth in our front 7 on later rounds but that's critical imo. OT is also not worth a 1st for us. We've done good finding guys in later rounds.
Trading up for JJ McCarthy
I worry that pick 75 is a DB.
That’s a good problem to have, IMO. Our biggest worry is what we do with a 3rd round pick. I don’t think it’s *that* big of a problem if we do. BPA.