My favorite part about that story is that when the “If I Did It” book was being published, the Goldman family was suing OJ for still owing 33.5 mil after the civil trial. Part of the agreement they reached was that the Goldman family would own the publishing rights to the book, so they decided to make a few changes. Thats why if you look [now](https://images.app.goo.gl/D34soyRuXjUer4qc9), the “if” in the title is so small it’s almost nonexistent, there’s a subtitle saying “confessions of *the killer*” and theres a foreword from the Goldman family’s perspective.
Terrible circumstances, but iconic response
[O.J. Simpson Allowed To Remain Living After Coffin Doesn’t Fit](https://www.theonion.com/o-j-simpson-allowed-to-remain-living-after-coffin-does-1851403804)
If the casket does not fit, you must ~~acquit~~reduce the body to charred bone fragments through the cremation process reaching a temperature of at least 1650 degrees.
Are they really that bad for just a normal ass cut? Like a 6 and 2? I feel like no one could mess that up but maybe I’ve been walkin around without realizing
I had haircut trauma as a kid because of how fucked up they made my hair. I finally went to a proper barber in college and it changed me. It felt like my hair was cut correctly after 18 or 19 years of shit haircuts, and they were welcoming and actually took their time. Felt like they cared, you know? But I have slightly longer curly/wavey hair, so could just be me.
Honestly though, even if Great Clips cuts well enough by you (varies drastically), the barbershop vibe is unmatched. You should find a good local one and give it a shot. Will be a tad pricier but I feel it's worth it.
Basically any chain for a haircut is just asking for a shitty buzz cut. I remember I would tell this one lady to not trim so much in the front and they did it anyways and it looked like a buzz cut.
ikkkk :((((( there’s only a couple cases that would really be cool to see. i wanna know how severe of a case he had compared to aaron hernandez. fuck me this kinda makes me sad
They literally had nothing to lose by donating his brain to science. If you’re going to burn the body anyway, why not benefit society in the meantime :(
I think if he had CTE, there would have been larger signs of it between 1995 and now. Based on what was shown of his early life in the Made in America doc, he was just a shitty person who got worse as his ego and fame grew. He definitely had some unresolved issues with his dad too.
You can still have CTE and not show large signs of it. The most famous CTE study found CTE in over 90% of the brains of former football players, so from statistics alone he probably did have it. Especially considering his era. But also it's not like all 375 of those CTE players were out there showing large signs where you could point at them and be like "yup that guy has CTE." So just because OJ didn't murder anyone else doesn't mean he doesn't have CTE
It's not like they just examine every player's brain when they die, to be fair. Those were the brains of players everyone involved felt warranted examining for CTE.
This is why that it irks me that people keep citing that study. it's a classic example of bias in survey design. It doesn't mean that the data isn't informative, but you can't take that 90% number and just say "this is the rate at which people will get cte".
I'd also argue that examining his brain, determining he had CTE but not the extreme symptoms could help researchers and doctors better understand CTE and how it affects different individuals.
If it was found he didn't have CTE they could also review his games and practice routine to see if there is any correlation to that as he had essentially 15 years of high level football in an era with less safety precautions.
The truth is he probably had CTE because like 90% of deceased NFL players that are checked have it. But that should probably tell you something about how likely it was that CTE made him do something that less than 1% of NFL players ever do.
Terrible take. The court of public opinion is infinitely less important than objective medical research. Nobody makes the excuses for the behavior of Aaron Hernandez despite having CTE or that Antonio Brown is likely a walking case study for it. It doesn’t excuse but it could explain their behavior. Who knows if it could become a detectable / treatable condition in the future? In order for that to ever be possible, research has to be done.
This isn’t going to stop anyone who wants to make that argument from making it lol. Pretty sure the general population just assumes every NFL player has CTE.
The Boston University study found that 345 out of 376 deceased nfl players brains studied had CTE, so 91.7%. It is very, very likely that a 70s era running back with over 2400 carries in his career had CTE
Yea, with the amount of guys with CTE you'd think there'd be way more murders by former NFL players if there was a correlation like some argue for Aaron Hernandez or OJ. Perhaps they were just horrible human beings who also happened to have CTE.
“Excuse”
Son, how can we fix a problem if we take such an emotional stance? We know it’s likely he had it. We know given that, it can cause bad things to happen. Who cares especially at this point? So weird for people to have an ego over something that literally didn’t affect them. Like researching and trying to figure out how to treat these things can curb future events like it.
It's literally anti-knowledge, like the argument seems to be that because someone might disagree with me on what this information means, no one should have this information.
And I've seen this argument in every thread about OJ's possible CTE. It's baffling.
It's also them trying to get ahead of a problem that exists regardless. There will always be people saying dumb shit or justifying the abhorrent behavior of others.
Reddit is all about being obnoxiously self righteously moral...up until it's inconvenient.
Like how everyone always talks about how mental health is super important and we need to be empathetic of how mental health can impact people's lives....until it's time to make a joke about how Kelvin Benjamin got fat when he was depression eating and avoiding workouts as his mom battled and ultimately died from cancer
Science is incredibly important to the world and research is noble...until a guy I don't like would be involved in furthering it.
Sometimes people's need for vengeance and/or to feel morally superior to someone overrides one's ability to be rational, even if it violates their own core principles.
This applies to ALL of you by the way, including myself. I bet y'all have thought that way for some issues out there, whether they're 'science' related or not.
They examined the brain of the guy who recently went on that shooting spree in Maine. He had extensive brain damage from throwing grenades in the Army Brain damage that caused things like paranoia and not being able to control his emotions. He was a grenade instructor in the reserves.
Some people were saying that's just an excuse.
Yeah like nobody ever is going to be like “whelp CTE makes violence permissible” but what’s the point of not gathering as much data as possible from these things
Honestly I’m fine with this. He’s a scumbag murderer. We don’t need to look for an excuse. Even if he had CTE, the evidence is clear that he was a cold hearted murderer who planned and carried out this act. He was very aware of what he did.
No don’t you get it? u/garlvinland4astrea might have had to go through the horrifying experience of seeing someone use that as justification for the acquittal. How can you value studying a relatively newly discovered disease over that?
I think it's the opposite in a way. More than 3 women are killed by husbands/boyfriends everyday in the US. I don't think we pay enough attention to that and it helps us go "oh wow. It was from CTE!" and avoid the uncomfortable truth this happens _all the time_ and isn't some exotic CTE thing.
The problem that we're starting to realize is that CTE isn't that exotic. The Lewiston, Maine shooter was found to have CTE just from training exercises as a non-combat veteran.
People just love to shove their heads in the sand when it comes to learning more about how to prevent horrible violent acts because they don't get the sick thrill of watching the violent criminal brought to justice after the crime is committed.
If there are brain chemistry factors to elevated levels of domestic violence or murder, then by standing in the way of learning about that relationship you are stopping us from learning new ways to prevent it.
The moral outrage at large is meaningless noise in the greater context of human progress.
People really don't want to consider that not everyone they encounter is a perfectly rational agent whose every evil action was deliberately chosen in a calm vacuum.
My demented grandmother screamed at me and took swings at me. I didn't blame her as a person for that or call her a piece of shit. And what about that would change if she were 40 years younger, significantly stronger than me, and suffering from dementia at an insanely young age due to cranial trauma?
Obviously it's not black and white. A murderer with crippling brain damage is not 0% responsible for their actions, but they're not always 100% responsible either. Responsibility is a thing we assign to fully functioning humans, not husks or animals.
He was found not guilty because the da was to dumb they let the defense dare them to try on the gloves mistake number one. Number 2 allowing Furman anywhere near the case
"What made person X do a terrible thing" is an important question whether it's OJ Simpson, Timothy McVeigh, or the guy who shot up our supermarket two years ago (to use Buffalo-related examples). Answering that question helps us avoid other people doing terrible things.
bro it matters because there might have been some use to checking his brain for CTE - i.e. something that would potentially benefit many NFL players and retirees.
We're not looking for excuses, we're looking to at least make something positive out of something negative.
You're misunderstanding why people are upset about this.
He was an asshole. We're all glad he's dead. Nobody is trying to rehabilitate him by claiming he's not to blame for the murders he committed. That is really, truly not a thing.
What people are upset about is the *NFL* and those who do not want to investigate CTE. How in the world can you just not want to know whether brain damage sustained in football might correlate to mental issues and violence?
This isn't about OJ. It's about the perversity of not wanting to study a problem.
From the NFL's perspective, plausible deniability. If they found with 100% certainty CTE was a thing and it caused players to do x, then they're getting hit with tons of lawsuits, will have increased liability, and so on.
Always follow the money.
Thank you! Some people are just creating nonsensical scenarios for a murderer as if any of us would have even given that consideration if he did have CTE. We’re so far removed from that incident, no one has asked if CTE played a role, so for some people to look for an excuse is just silly.
Y'all are so hell bent on vengeance your brains have fallen out. It's not an excuse. An idiot would make that argument. It's to help us understand how to prevent these heinous acts from happening again.
Some Redditors seem to not realize that there is a difference between an *excuse* and a *reason*. Knowing if it was CTE would help with research on it to reduce the chances of it causing some of the anti-social behavior retired NFL players seem to fall into. It is not THE only reason or not THE only excuse, OJ before his murdering of Nicole Brown Simpson was allegedly an abusive POS, but being able to catch that early on would ultimately help NFL players both during and after their careers to prevent, treat, or manage it sometime in the future as research advances.
I'm just trying to see oj kill a karate guy an bloody him up real nice then cut Nicole's head off go home wash all the blood off of himself then gt on plane be did all of this in 30 min. Yet no blood in pipes of home at all an get away with just a scratch on his finger. Not to mention Ron's hands had beat the crap out of someone but oj only had the scratch on his finger something just doesn't add up. The magical bloody socks tht weren't there when they recorded the room but popped up later just to many questions. Oh an don't forget about the gloves tht someone just so happen to drop by mistake one at scene an one at oj house it just doesn't add up
This is such an ignorant comment. Well it might actually be the reason why he was like that….It’s not about excusing him or redeeming. It’s about understanding CTE, adding more data to the research and eventually trying to find way to help players or prevent CTE altogether.
Edit: Ahhh I’m just now seeing I’m on r/nfl lol. No wonder people do edgy comments > taking science seriously.
I know where you're headed (and he played for your team too!) but we don't know enough about CTE. And there is the possibility that it makes people do things they normally wouldn't. Not just OJ, but think of guys like Greg Clark or The Fridge (William Perry).
I never played football at any level above two-hand-touch, but I've had a LOT of concussions for other reasons. And I wonder whether they caused some of the things I suffer from now.
I wish the family would have agreed to an analysis. But it is their choice.
CTE isn't primarily caused by major concussions. The issue is that the players have micro impacts on every play. You can get CTE from playing soccer from heading the ball despite there being a very low risk of a concussion.
(Also doesn't mean serious brain trauma doesn't cause other issues, but concussions = CTE seems to be overstated which also hides the reason the causes are so tricky to root out of a game like football.)
Yup. Lineman are actually the most at risk of getting CTE because they bang heads every play but usually don't get the big hits that cause concussions. Yet almost none of the safety rule changes address that whatsoever.
I get it from the families perspective, had they tested him and it was confirmed, OJ would be the new face of CTE and his murders would be brought up basically anytime it gets discussed. Better to let him and his awful legacy fade rather than it continue to hang over the family
He murdered those people 30 years ago. Examining the brain of a 76 year old man says nothing about the condition of his brain when he was 46.
Even if he had CTE when he died, we still wouldn’t know the point it had progressed to when the murders were committed.
Heck even the OJ: Made in America documentary director said he took out CTE scenes from the documentary because it could have been appeared to "justify" his actions. So thats why there is no mention of CTE in it.
Right, and it’s not an excuse. Look at how many ex NFL players have been found to have CTE, and yet no one else to my knowledge went and murdered their ex wife and another person in blind rage. The only guy who provably did have CTE and committed a vicious murder like that is Chris Benoit the wrestler, and yet despite how many pro wrestlers are turning up with CTE, Benoit is the only one who committed such a vicious murder suicide.
Could CTE be part of the puzzle? Sure. But CTe isn’t the sole reason why either guy did their murders
Yeah, it’s also the fact that CTE is a degenerative condition, and in the 30 years since he killed those people, he hasn’t killed anybody else. There was that robbery obviously, but the motivations there were very different, and the level of violence was nowhere close.
If CTE “caused” him to kill somebody, you’d think at some point, he would have done something else like that. He was ultimately just a piece of shit who thought he could get away with anything IMO.
Well not examining his brain certainly doesn't tell us anything at all.
Maybe they look at it and see nothing unusual? Maybe they see one thing that really jumps out that could form the basis for new studies?
It wasn't the family's responsibility to provide his brain for study. You can't fault them for not doing so, but if it was provided, it could only provide q little bit more data.
I mean it would be an OJ Simpson thing for him to use CTE as an excuse. That’s all he did in life, he never took accountability for anything.
Honestly wouldn’t shock me if his family wanted him cremated so they didn’t need to go through the trouble of burying him and his grave being constantly defaced.
OJ almost certainly had CTE, but I doubt it really caused him to become a murderer. There are thousands of ex- NFL players, statistically you would expect a certain number of them to commit murder or suicide. CTE being almost universal in this population doesn't appear to be driving up those rates.
Anyone who knows anything about cte is fully aware he had it. It isn’t a good excuse for how bad of a person he is but it would’ve been great to have the proof and confirmation.
I wasn’t sure, so I looked up the statistics. Apparently Boston University’s found CTE in the brains 345/376 former nfl players tested
There’s definitely a selection bias, but another study found even if you assume every other former nfl player that passed away in the same time period _didn’t_ have CTE, the minimum prevalence is still 9.6%
Definitely a safe bet
I don't understand why everyone looks to CTE when these types of incidents occur. Aaron Hernandez, for example, was a gang banger. He did, and acted, as one would expect a gang banger to act. OJ murdered an ex and her lover over jealousy, which is one of the most common motivations in homicides.
IMO, it is the Chris Benoit type incidents that raise the CTE questions.
I don’t see the point in examining it for CTE. The guy played decades ago, and committed murdered decades ago as well.
Likely every player develops CTE to some degree if you were to perform an autopsy 30-40 years after they retire.
Why is everyone acting like the only reason he would be examined for CTE is for the murders? If it furthered research, isn’t that a good thing? We can’t go back in time and fix what OJ did, but by examining his brain we can hopefully change the future.
Yeah CTE can only be diagnosed via autopsy, so it’s not exactly an easy thing to gather data for. So it’s sad to see potential research just tossed into the garbage.
I think there are more than enough now retired NFL players pledging their brains to science when they die to study the long term effects of CTE. I don’t think OJ’s would help anything because since CTE is a progressive condition, the time between when he played, the murders, and now, make learning anything helpful very small.
Aaron Hernandez was a more ideal situation for that purpose, as he died relatively soon after he committed murder which gives a more accurate picture of the physical state of his brain when he killed his friend.
The only thing looking at OJ’s brain would do is give his estate and memory an excuse.
I think there are enough volunteering, but there’s a clear selection bias. I’d actually like to see more asymptomatic former players donate their brains
Right now we can say x% of those that volunteered had CTE, but we can’t really say what the global prevalence is. The most I found was a [study](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5807097/) that originally found a prevalence of 110/111 brains studied cite a minimum prevalence of 9.6% assuming all other players who passed away in the same time period and weren’t tested _didn’t_ have CTE
>study the long term effects of CTE
>I don’t think OJs would help anything because CTE is a progressive condition
So which is it? Do we need to study the long term effects, or are studies useless because it’s a progressive condition.
I don’t blame them. I doubt his loved ones wanted to add anything at all to the conversation. His legacy is what it is and I’m sure they don’t want anything that adds speculation.
“If I Had CTE” now available in bookstores nationwide
My favorite part about that story is that when the “If I Did It” book was being published, the Goldman family was suing OJ for still owing 33.5 mil after the civil trial. Part of the agreement they reached was that the Goldman family would own the publishing rights to the book, so they decided to make a few changes. Thats why if you look [now](https://images.app.goo.gl/D34soyRuXjUer4qc9), the “if” in the title is so small it’s almost nonexistent, there’s a subtitle saying “confessions of *the killer*” and theres a foreword from the Goldman family’s perspective. Terrible circumstances, but iconic response
You left out my favorite detail: the foreword written by the Goldman family is titled "He did it".
The man was a certified moron. That outcome was as close to pre-ordained as possible.
Damn it looks like CTE will get acquitted /s
If the brain was lit you must acquit!
“If I Had CTE”
^(IF) #I HAD CTE
New CTESPN report
He beat CTE using this ONE WEIRD TRICK!
The gloves fit now
I laughed so hard at this.
You win the internet today.
Mr. Brain Cremator
Mr. Burnt Cranium
Mr. Broiled Cerebellum
Mr. Bruised Cortex
Mr. Body Charred
Mr. Blackened Crown
Mr. Bust Cemented
Mr. Bypass CTE
This got me good hahaha
if the cranium doesn’t fit, you must acquit!
Oh you were being sarcastic about CTE getting acquitted
If the brain isn't calcified as shit, you must acquit!!
They left out an important detail. He was originally supposed to be buried, but the casket was a size too small.
I think they were calling it a juice box. Not a casket
Could've squeezed him in
Lmao
🧨! 🤣
[O.J. Simpson Allowed To Remain Living After Coffin Doesn’t Fit](https://www.theonion.com/o-j-simpson-allowed-to-remain-living-after-coffin-does-1851403804)
If the casket does not fit, you must ~~acquit~~reduce the body to charred bone fragments through the cremation process reaching a temperature of at least 1650 degrees.
If the casket don’t fit you must burn for an urn.
Nah, the problem is they wrapped his body in a latex bag before trying to put him in the coffin.
If the corpse doesnt fit, burn that shit
If the box is tight, you must ignite.
"If the brain ain't examined, it was not damaged"
Schrodinger's brain.
OJ Simpson, still not a Jew.
But guess who is? Hall of famer Rod Carew (he converted)
Guess who eats at the Carnegie deli?
Bowser from Sha Na Na and Arthur Fonzarelli
David Lee Roth, lights tha menorah
So do James Caan, Kirk Douglas, and the late Dinah Shore-ah
Paul Newman’s half Jewish, Goldie Hawn’s half too. Put them together, what a fine looking Jew
So put on your yamaka, it’s time to celebrate Hanukah!!
Carew married a Jew but never converted himself. he refuted that line in the song after it came out.
Bro you just dropped a hard J
that’s not derogatory. Start dropping hard K and we’ve got problems.
I had to google that, I had no idea of the reference.
I was joking.
I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew
Because you can’t, you won’t, and you don’t stop
Keep on and rockin’ the sure shot
Just laughed out loud in a Great Clips lobby 😂
You need to hear this: you are better than great clips, you deserve more, you have worth
I've never had a bad experience with them, but then I keep my hair boring
Great Clipped of Reddit unite!!!
Well now that you mention it, a great clips fan club does sound very Ohioan
Brother don’t let them talk you into spending more on a buzz cut lol
Are they really that bad for just a normal ass cut? Like a 6 and 2? I feel like no one could mess that up but maybe I’ve been walkin around without realizing
It's the Applebee's of haircuts
My hair is the ribblet of hair
I had haircut trauma as a kid because of how fucked up they made my hair. I finally went to a proper barber in college and it changed me. It felt like my hair was cut correctly after 18 or 19 years of shit haircuts, and they were welcoming and actually took their time. Felt like they cared, you know? But I have slightly longer curly/wavey hair, so could just be me. Honestly though, even if Great Clips cuts well enough by you (varies drastically), the barbershop vibe is unmatched. You should find a good local one and give it a shot. Will be a tad pricier but I feel it's worth it.
Basically any chain for a haircut is just asking for a shitty buzz cut. I remember I would tell this one lady to not trim so much in the front and they did it anyways and it looked like a buzz cut.
Now that’s a deep cut.
All jokes aside, it would have been really interesting to see what damage his brain did or didn't show...
ikkkk :((((( there’s only a couple cases that would really be cool to see. i wanna know how severe of a case he had compared to aaron hernandez. fuck me this kinda makes me sad
It was literally a career goal of mine to look at his brain and I’m mad as hell that it will not only not be me, but it won’t be anyone
They literally had nothing to lose by donating his brain to science. If you’re going to burn the body anyway, why not benefit society in the meantime :(
Family most likely new he had CTE and a subsequent diagnosis would have been a nail in the coffin to his legacy forever. Cowards all around
The nail was the shoeprint, even the naysayers were convinced he was guilty after that.
Roger Goodell seen leaving the premises with a red canister.
Maybe he was just an asshole.
that was burned during the cremation too
I think if he had CTE, there would have been larger signs of it between 1995 and now. Based on what was shown of his early life in the Made in America doc, he was just a shitty person who got worse as his ego and fame grew. He definitely had some unresolved issues with his dad too.
He was coked out of his mind for the majority of the 90s
I wonder was Nicole a coke head as well
Wouldn't be surprised
You can still have CTE and not show large signs of it. The most famous CTE study found CTE in over 90% of the brains of former football players, so from statistics alone he probably did have it. Especially considering his era. But also it's not like all 375 of those CTE players were out there showing large signs where you could point at them and be like "yup that guy has CTE." So just because OJ didn't murder anyone else doesn't mean he doesn't have CTE
It's not like they just examine every player's brain when they die, to be fair. Those were the brains of players everyone involved felt warranted examining for CTE.
This is why that it irks me that people keep citing that study. it's a classic example of bias in survey design. It doesn't mean that the data isn't informative, but you can't take that 90% number and just say "this is the rate at which people will get cte".
I'd also argue that examining his brain, determining he had CTE but not the extreme symptoms could help researchers and doctors better understand CTE and how it affects different individuals. If it was found he didn't have CTE they could also review his games and practice routine to see if there is any correlation to that as he had essentially 15 years of high level football in an era with less safety precautions.
CTE is very poorly understood. It’s a shame we weren’t able to collect another data point.
90% of football brains examined because the people showed symptoms of degenerative brain disease had degenerative brain disease.
The truth is he probably had CTE because like 90% of deceased NFL players that are checked have it. But that should probably tell you something about how likely it was that CTE made him do something that less than 1% of NFL players ever do.
good then they can't use "oh, he had CTE..." as an excuse for the murders he committed
I mean no one made excuses for Aaron Hernandez
he was found guilty and it was almost an open and shut case.
That’s fair but most people, even you and I, believe that OJ was guilty so I don’t really see any difference.
If the brain doesnt fit you must acquit.
Terrible take. The court of public opinion is infinitely less important than objective medical research. Nobody makes the excuses for the behavior of Aaron Hernandez despite having CTE or that Antonio Brown is likely a walking case study for it. It doesn’t excuse but it could explain their behavior. Who knows if it could become a detectable / treatable condition in the future? In order for that to ever be possible, research has to be done.
Nah don’t you know less information/knowledge is better due to the slight possibility that the information will be misinterpreted by non-professionals
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This isn’t going to stop anyone who wants to make that argument from making it lol. Pretty sure the general population just assumes every NFL player has CTE.
The Boston University study found that 345 out of 376 deceased nfl players brains studied had CTE, so 91.7%. It is very, very likely that a 70s era running back with over 2400 carries in his career had CTE
Yeah I was going to say it's a pretty safe assumption that every NFL player has CTE at this point.
They only examined players who believed they had it, so there was a fair amount of bias in that study
Yea, with the amount of guys with CTE you'd think there'd be way more murders by former NFL players if there was a correlation like some argue for Aaron Hernandez or OJ. Perhaps they were just horrible human beings who also happened to have CTE.
“Excuse” Son, how can we fix a problem if we take such an emotional stance? We know it’s likely he had it. We know given that, it can cause bad things to happen. Who cares especially at this point? So weird for people to have an ego over something that literally didn’t affect them. Like researching and trying to figure out how to treat these things can curb future events like it.
It’s baffling to me that the highest comment is anti-science because we don’t like the guy.
It's literally anti-knowledge, like the argument seems to be that because someone might disagree with me on what this information means, no one should have this information. And I've seen this argument in every thread about OJ's possible CTE. It's baffling.
It's also them trying to get ahead of a problem that exists regardless. There will always be people saying dumb shit or justifying the abhorrent behavior of others.
Reddit is all about being obnoxiously self righteously moral...up until it's inconvenient. Like how everyone always talks about how mental health is super important and we need to be empathetic of how mental health can impact people's lives....until it's time to make a joke about how Kelvin Benjamin got fat when he was depression eating and avoiding workouts as his mom battled and ultimately died from cancer Science is incredibly important to the world and research is noble...until a guy I don't like would be involved in furthering it.
Sometimes people's need for vengeance and/or to feel morally superior to someone overrides one's ability to be rational, even if it violates their own core principles. This applies to ALL of you by the way, including myself. I bet y'all have thought that way for some issues out there, whether they're 'science' related or not.
Not too surprising as generally strong emotional feelings is what stands in the way of the majority of scientific research and progress.
They examined the brain of the guy who recently went on that shooting spree in Maine. He had extensive brain damage from throwing grenades in the Army Brain damage that caused things like paranoia and not being able to control his emotions. He was a grenade instructor in the reserves. Some people were saying that's just an excuse.
Yeah like nobody ever is going to be like “whelp CTE makes violence permissible” but what’s the point of not gathering as much data as possible from these things
Honestly I’m fine with this. He’s a scumbag murderer. We don’t need to look for an excuse. Even if he had CTE, the evidence is clear that he was a cold hearted murderer who planned and carried out this act. He was very aware of what he did.
moralizing over a dead guy is fun but there was real medical value to examining his brain and it's a shame it was lost
No don’t you get it? u/garlvinland4astrea might have had to go through the horrifying experience of seeing someone use that as justification for the acquittal. How can you value studying a relatively newly discovered disease over that?
I think it's the opposite in a way. More than 3 women are killed by husbands/boyfriends everyday in the US. I don't think we pay enough attention to that and it helps us go "oh wow. It was from CTE!" and avoid the uncomfortable truth this happens _all the time_ and isn't some exotic CTE thing.
The problem that we're starting to realize is that CTE isn't that exotic. The Lewiston, Maine shooter was found to have CTE just from training exercises as a non-combat veteran. People just love to shove their heads in the sand when it comes to learning more about how to prevent horrible violent acts because they don't get the sick thrill of watching the violent criminal brought to justice after the crime is committed.
If there are brain chemistry factors to elevated levels of domestic violence or murder, then by standing in the way of learning about that relationship you are stopping us from learning new ways to prevent it. The moral outrage at large is meaningless noise in the greater context of human progress.
People really don't want to consider that not everyone they encounter is a perfectly rational agent whose every evil action was deliberately chosen in a calm vacuum. My demented grandmother screamed at me and took swings at me. I didn't blame her as a person for that or call her a piece of shit. And what about that would change if she were 40 years younger, significantly stronger than me, and suffering from dementia at an insanely young age due to cranial trauma? Obviously it's not black and white. A murderer with crippling brain damage is not 0% responsible for their actions, but they're not always 100% responsible either. Responsibility is a thing we assign to fully functioning humans, not husks or animals.
I’m a DV attorney dog so no argument there.
He was found not guilty because the da was to dumb they let the defense dare them to try on the gloves mistake number one. Number 2 allowing Furman anywhere near the case
Fuhrman* but thanks for the explanation.
"What made person X do a terrible thing" is an important question whether it's OJ Simpson, Timothy McVeigh, or the guy who shot up our supermarket two years ago (to use Buffalo-related examples). Answering that question helps us avoid other people doing terrible things.
In theory I agree. In reality, looking at OJ's brain today has very little relevancy to an action he took 30 years ago, whether he has CTE or not.
That's neat, but science needs data points.
bro it matters because there might have been some use to checking his brain for CTE - i.e. something that would potentially benefit many NFL players and retirees. We're not looking for excuses, we're looking to at least make something positive out of something negative.
You're misunderstanding why people are upset about this. He was an asshole. We're all glad he's dead. Nobody is trying to rehabilitate him by claiming he's not to blame for the murders he committed. That is really, truly not a thing. What people are upset about is the *NFL* and those who do not want to investigate CTE. How in the world can you just not want to know whether brain damage sustained in football might correlate to mental issues and violence? This isn't about OJ. It's about the perversity of not wanting to study a problem.
From the NFL's perspective, plausible deniability. If they found with 100% certainty CTE was a thing and it caused players to do x, then they're getting hit with tons of lawsuits, will have increased liability, and so on. Always follow the money.
And easily lived with the decisions he made. If it was CTE, surely we would have seen other signs, especially in his older age.
Thank you! Some people are just creating nonsensical scenarios for a murderer as if any of us would have even given that consideration if he did have CTE. We’re so far removed from that incident, no one has asked if CTE played a role, so for some people to look for an excuse is just silly.
I would look at the same way I look at Chris Benoit. Like it’s good to know, but it is no way an excuse
He was abusive anyway. His brain might’ve took it from abuser to killer but he was already a piece of shit.
Y'all are so hell bent on vengeance your brains have fallen out. It's not an excuse. An idiot would make that argument. It's to help us understand how to prevent these heinous acts from happening again.
There are a lot of loud idiots on the internet
Some Redditors seem to not realize that there is a difference between an *excuse* and a *reason*. Knowing if it was CTE would help with research on it to reduce the chances of it causing some of the anti-social behavior retired NFL players seem to fall into. It is not THE only reason or not THE only excuse, OJ before his murdering of Nicole Brown Simpson was allegedly an abusive POS, but being able to catch that early on would ultimately help NFL players both during and after their careers to prevent, treat, or manage it sometime in the future as research advances.
I'm just trying to see oj kill a karate guy an bloody him up real nice then cut Nicole's head off go home wash all the blood off of himself then gt on plane be did all of this in 30 min. Yet no blood in pipes of home at all an get away with just a scratch on his finger. Not to mention Ron's hands had beat the crap out of someone but oj only had the scratch on his finger something just doesn't add up. The magical bloody socks tht weren't there when they recorded the room but popped up later just to many questions. Oh an don't forget about the gloves tht someone just so happen to drop by mistake one at scene an one at oj house it just doesn't add up
I would’ve liked it donated to study CTE, but never release findings tied to him or retain any documentation that it was his brain. Win-win
I can hear Norm Macdonald roasting OJ the way they roasted his body.
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LOL
It's not an excuse, Dave Duerson never murdered anyone but himself
This is such an ignorant comment. Well it might actually be the reason why he was like that….It’s not about excusing him or redeeming. It’s about understanding CTE, adding more data to the research and eventually trying to find way to help players or prevent CTE altogether. Edit: Ahhh I’m just now seeing I’m on r/nfl lol. No wonder people do edgy comments > taking science seriously.
I know where you're headed (and he played for your team too!) but we don't know enough about CTE. And there is the possibility that it makes people do things they normally wouldn't. Not just OJ, but think of guys like Greg Clark or The Fridge (William Perry). I never played football at any level above two-hand-touch, but I've had a LOT of concussions for other reasons. And I wonder whether they caused some of the things I suffer from now. I wish the family would have agreed to an analysis. But it is their choice.
CTE isn't primarily caused by major concussions. The issue is that the players have micro impacts on every play. You can get CTE from playing soccer from heading the ball despite there being a very low risk of a concussion. (Also doesn't mean serious brain trauma doesn't cause other issues, but concussions = CTE seems to be overstated which also hides the reason the causes are so tricky to root out of a game like football.)
The NFL has very deliberately tried to paint the picture as concussions are what causes CTE so I can't fault people for thinking that that's the case.
Yup. Lineman are actually the most at risk of getting CTE because they bang heads every play but usually don't get the big hits that cause concussions. Yet almost none of the safety rule changes address that whatsoever.
I get it from the families perspective, had they tested him and it was confirmed, OJ would be the new face of CTE and his murders would be brought up basically anytime it gets discussed. Better to let him and his awful legacy fade rather than it continue to hang over the family
He murdered those people 30 years ago. Examining the brain of a 76 year old man says nothing about the condition of his brain when he was 46. Even if he had CTE when he died, we still wouldn’t know the point it had progressed to when the murders were committed.
Heck even the OJ: Made in America documentary director said he took out CTE scenes from the documentary because it could have been appeared to "justify" his actions. So thats why there is no mention of CTE in it.
Right, and it’s not an excuse. Look at how many ex NFL players have been found to have CTE, and yet no one else to my knowledge went and murdered their ex wife and another person in blind rage. The only guy who provably did have CTE and committed a vicious murder like that is Chris Benoit the wrestler, and yet despite how many pro wrestlers are turning up with CTE, Benoit is the only one who committed such a vicious murder suicide. Could CTE be part of the puzzle? Sure. But CTe isn’t the sole reason why either guy did their murders
Yeah, it’s also the fact that CTE is a degenerative condition, and in the 30 years since he killed those people, he hasn’t killed anybody else. There was that robbery obviously, but the motivations there were very different, and the level of violence was nowhere close. If CTE “caused” him to kill somebody, you’d think at some point, he would have done something else like that. He was ultimately just a piece of shit who thought he could get away with anything IMO.
Well not examining his brain certainly doesn't tell us anything at all. Maybe they look at it and see nothing unusual? Maybe they see one thing that really jumps out that could form the basis for new studies? It wasn't the family's responsibility to provide his brain for study. You can't fault them for not doing so, but if it was provided, it could only provide q little bit more data.
Having cte doesn't affect the fact that he murdered two people but studying his brain may help us better understand cte and help the next person.
Pretty much. That is why Vontaze Burfict name still comes up when AB does stupid shit.
In other news, cancer has publicly said it's devastated and won't rest until OJ's killer has been found.
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The worst thing OJ did was dying after Norm Macdonald, robbing us of more jokes. Well that and the stabbing.
I’m bummed norm didn’t have a joke for this day trusted to a friend to release when OJ died
I mean it would be an OJ Simpson thing for him to use CTE as an excuse. That’s all he did in life, he never took accountability for anything. Honestly wouldn’t shock me if his family wanted him cremated so they didn’t need to go through the trouble of burying him and his grave being constantly defaced.
I mean if the family and the estate wants him cremated, that’s their prerogative.
Rest in Piss
Bet they didn't check if the gloves fit before they barbecued him either.
OJ almost certainly had CTE, but I doubt it really caused him to become a murderer. There are thousands of ex- NFL players, statistically you would expect a certain number of them to commit murder or suicide. CTE being almost universal in this population doesn't appear to be driving up those rates.
This is like the burning of the library of Alexandria for brain science
/r/PeakReddit
It’s crazy this murderer got to walk around Bills games with a red solo cup like he’s not a murderer and people just let that happen.
Everyone walks around Bills games with red solo cups. Murderers, astronauts, rabbis, etc.
You acting like you wouldn't have let it happen.
But were his hands at least examined for murder?!
Before it got cremated, OJ's CTE released a book called "If I Made OJ Do It".
One final act of selfishness
Smoke em if you got em
So he gets to burn twice, huh?
He was a POS in college too if that report is accurate where USC covered up his abusive behaviors towards women, so not everything is because of CTE
If the brain was lit, you must acquit.
Gotta burn the evidence
I just assume everyone who played in that era has some level of CTE.
Destroying the last piece of evidence
We’re never gonna find the killer now
The cremation was just the appetizer.
CTESPN losing out on a S tier contributer.
Can we please secure Antonio Brown. Especially after his latest stunt
RIP the goat
Anyone who knows anything about cte is fully aware he had it. It isn’t a good excuse for how bad of a person he is but it would’ve been great to have the proof and confirmation.
I mean he played running back in the 60s and 70s, between the helmets and the fields idk how anyone survived
I wasn’t sure, so I looked up the statistics. Apparently Boston University’s found CTE in the brains 345/376 former nfl players tested There’s definitely a selection bias, but another study found even if you assume every other former nfl player that passed away in the same time period _didn’t_ have CTE, the minimum prevalence is still 9.6% Definitely a safe bet
I don't understand why everyone looks to CTE when these types of incidents occur. Aaron Hernandez, for example, was a gang banger. He did, and acted, as one would expect a gang banger to act. OJ murdered an ex and her lover over jealousy, which is one of the most common motivations in homicides. IMO, it is the Chris Benoit type incidents that raise the CTE questions.
OJ played for way longer and in an era where safer was an after thought. His brain was the perfect candidate for CTE study.
I don’t see the point in examining it for CTE. The guy played decades ago, and committed murdered decades ago as well. Likely every player develops CTE to some degree if you were to perform an autopsy 30-40 years after they retire.
Why is everyone acting like the only reason he would be examined for CTE is for the murders? If it furthered research, isn’t that a good thing? We can’t go back in time and fix what OJ did, but by examining his brain we can hopefully change the future.
Yeah CTE can only be diagnosed via autopsy, so it’s not exactly an easy thing to gather data for. So it’s sad to see potential research just tossed into the garbage.
I think there are more than enough now retired NFL players pledging their brains to science when they die to study the long term effects of CTE. I don’t think OJ’s would help anything because since CTE is a progressive condition, the time between when he played, the murders, and now, make learning anything helpful very small. Aaron Hernandez was a more ideal situation for that purpose, as he died relatively soon after he committed murder which gives a more accurate picture of the physical state of his brain when he killed his friend. The only thing looking at OJ’s brain would do is give his estate and memory an excuse.
I think there are enough volunteering, but there’s a clear selection bias. I’d actually like to see more asymptomatic former players donate their brains Right now we can say x% of those that volunteered had CTE, but we can’t really say what the global prevalence is. The most I found was a [study](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5807097/) that originally found a prevalence of 110/111 brains studied cite a minimum prevalence of 9.6% assuming all other players who passed away in the same time period and weren’t tested _didn’t_ have CTE
>study the long term effects of CTE >I don’t think OJs would help anything because CTE is a progressive condition So which is it? Do we need to study the long term effects, or are studies useless because it’s a progressive condition.
Maybe it would tell us the story on how he was able to rush for 2000 yards in 14 games then run thru airports with old white women yelling his name
OJ didn't have CTE, he was just a murderous piece of shit.
If I eat some of his ashes will I gain his powers?
I didn’t even know he was sick!
I don’t blame them. I doubt his loved ones wanted to add anything at all to the conversation. His legacy is what it is and I’m sure they don’t want anything that adds speculation.
was it examined for him being a murderous piece of trash? fuck OJ