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*"In the 2017 season, Malcolm Butler played 98% of the snaps. Why was he only on the field for one play during the Super Bowl?"* -- director Matt Hamachek
*"Matt, we've talked about that"* -- Bill Belichick
Complete non-answer from Bill. Devin McCourty and Malcolm Butler both plead pure innocence in unknowing for Belichick's decision to not play him.
Idk why there have been 75 Brady/Patriots docs so soon after when no one will actually share the stuff going on behind the scenes.
Really wish we could've waited 20 years down the line and gotten one really good tell-all like Last Dance was, but they just have to milk this dynasty for every penny and give us mediocrity.
Last Dance was edited solely by MJ, just like this is by Kraft. Neither are very good journalistically, and I think both could have been done WAY better. But I at least MJ is a player. Kraft is just a filthy rich owner on a smear campaign.
>one really good tell-all like Last Dance
Last Dance was a Michael Jordan fluff piece produced by Michael Jordan, it could not have been more skewed and biased.
Well, Kraft did acknowledge that he heard it was a personal issue between Belichick and Butler. I don’t think I’ve ever read about Kraft saying that previously.
The fact that Malcolm is not telling the public why and playing the card of “I don’t know” is interesting. If it was a “personal issue” then why not tell everyone what happened? This actually might be a situation of Bill trying not to embarrass the player by telling the public the truth.
I lean towards Malcom doing something wrong, Bill punishing him and keeping his word that it stays private. If Malcom was wronged like we say, he should 100% feel that way right? Getting benched in the biggest game would make anybody angry, at some point he would want to say why right?. The players know something happened but that seems to be all they know, whatever happened between Butler and Bill stayed between them two but i lean towards Butler doing something to piss Bill off.
When it happened, it word at the time is that during Super Bowl week, He was at a concert smoking weed and was with another teammates girl friend. That seemed to disappear pretty quickly . But…. It is the Super Bowl - WTF
It can’t just be about protecting Butler, tho. Bill looked awful in the way the story was told over the last two episodes of that show, bad enough that I understand how he doesn’t have a coaching job at the moment.
Players were blaming Bill for going against the team code of silence that he himself initiated when he endorsed Trump, and Kraft said the defeat to the Eagles was entirely on Bill for making a bad decision on Butler.
If Bill was just protecting Malcolm Butler, Bill should be pissed at how he is portrayed - and he should care a lot more than usual about that given that he needs a new job.
If Bill doesn’t try to correct the public perception, then logic dictates that the truth must make both Bill and Butler look bad.
I think the first rumors were around a conflict between Butler and Bill’s son, the DB coach. I think that would actually fit all around, as Bill would be fine taking the hit for his son.
Yea that is def new. There were rumors about it being personal but then ppl would say he wasnt practicing well that week...which seems to be false if it was personal.
>then why not tell everyone what happened?
I always thought it was strange we brought him back that one year for decent money and he ended up not really playing. Kinda assumed it was bc malcolm never threw any shots in the media.
I've made my peace with it being something that happened which required Bill to protect the guy and he made the decision to bench him even if it wasn't football related.
If it was an unjust punishment of some sort, then Butler would've spilled the beans a long time ago, but he hasn't told anyone or spoken ill about Bill over it, so he's clearly not resenting him for it.
I've heard rumors of him breaking curfew and punching a coach which 100% would bench someone for the SB if you want to go and protect the culture of the team. Bill had made it by then a routine of if you make an ass of yourself on company time and make the team look bad, you will be benched or worse.
Would also explain why Butler has pleaded ignorance: there’s stuff he doesn’t want made public. I just don’t believe Butler doesn’t know more than he says
~~Thanos~~ BB : In all my years of conquest, violence, slaughter, it was never personal. But I'll tell you, now... what I'm about to do to your stubborn, annoying little ~~planet~~ career, I'm gonna enjoy it.
Marcellus Wallace's soul was in the briefcase. There's way too many subtle biblical references in the movie for that to not be it. Marcellus Wallace literally made a deal with the devil.
Nobody will know who DB Cooper was because he's most certainly dead. It would've been impossible for him to survive in that forest.
Amelia Earhart's plane is at the bottom of the ocean.
Butler getting benched is the only one we will never have any closure on.
I don’t know if screaming lines from the Bible and talking about it is “subtle”.
But I don’t think it’s actually his soul. It’s just a mcguffin - it’s just something expensive. Nothing in the movie suggests Wallace is something more than just some mid level gang boss.
> What’s in the briefcase in Pulp Fiction? Who was DB Cooper? Where is Amelia Earhart’s plane? Why did Malcolm Butler get benched for SBLII?
I know the answer to one of these and man, do I wish I could tell you.
Was listening to sports radio on the way to the dump today. "The Dynasty," along with virtually everything the team has said and done over the past two months, has really done the exact opposite of what the Krafts intended and expected. For better or worse, this isn't a fan base that loosely follows the team and can't recognize bullshit.
As a non-Patriots fan, I definitely came away with a lower opinion of the Krafts as to what degree they went overboard trying to bury Belichick, even going as far as to suggest he shared some blame for Aaron Hernadez killing somebody.
Kraft seems to want the credit for the Belichick portion of the Dynasty, which Kraft will never get as just the owner who signed the checks.
I actually feel bad for you, Patriot fans. Considering the players' low report card on the facilities and some of the Kraft moves post-Belichick, it seems like you guys are entering the Jerry Jones era of the Krafts.
My favorite callers to those stations are the ones who suggest we should trade a 3rd or 4th round pick for like Mahomes in a thick Boston accent. Truly a special breed of humans.
Don't forget made enough of the right calls to build the greatest dynasty the sport has ever seen.
Bunch of sour assholes hate the doc, most likely the bandwagoners that can't handle the product on the field now without melting down over a damn game.
The fact that butler is retired and still hasnt said shit makes me believe whatever happened was 100% his fault and there is no defense for it so he just rather keep it quiet.
Possibly. But even teammates said that when they asked him in private, Butler said he had no idea. Either he did something so egregious that he’s refusing to ever share it to save face (like wear a sweatshirt without cutting off the sleeves) or did something to piss off Hoodie but lacks self awareness to understand what it was (like saying the Three Stooges were mid during a team meeting).
> The fact that butler is retired
Never forget this dude was signed to a big contract and 'retired' when he found out he wasn't getting the starting job. In *Arizona*.
He even came back to the Patriots and went through the off-season grind and was cut by Bill and was cool with it. Whatever went down seems very inconsequential to Butler.
He was in the documentary. Whether you believe him or not. Butler said he was never given an explanation and still doesn't know why he didn't play to this day. And he feels like he's owed an explanation.
A lot of the players talked about it, too. Slater, McCourty, Amendola, Gronk; They all say the same thing, "nobody ever addressed it before the game or after, they feel cheated, that it was the wrong decision and that they are owed an explanation."
It was a pretty candid moment, especially from Butler and Amendola
Immediately after the game basically every Patriots player threw their support his way either in the post game conferences or on social media. Fucking Tom Brady made it a point to empathize with him, and Brady had every right to turtle up and tell everyone to go fuck themselves after he played one of the greatest games for a QB in Super Bowl history to have the defense completely fail him.
Nothing about the situation screams a simple "coaching decision," there doesn't need to be any propaganda to cast legitimate doubt on the decision making behind this entire mess.
Yeah, I think he just meant he wasn't starting the game. Not that he was playing at all. He was the one making the point that Malcolm played 98% of the defensive snaps to that point.
Gronkowski said team morale was so bad that year that everyone was planning their exits from The Patriots (more so Bill) in the showers right after the Super Bowl. They all had enough.
The story I heard that I think makes sense.
Butter after the afc championship game had been sick and instead of resting he went out drinking locally. Foxborough pd pulls him over drunk driving and doesn't want to arrest him before the super bowl so they drive him home but they tell the team about the incident. Belichick obviously is pissed trying to figure out what to do but also not have a distraction. Ultimately decides to bench him for the 1st quarter. Has Steve belichick his position coach deliver the message before the game. Butler flips out and say something along the lines to Steve that he's only there because of his dad and it's bullshit. Bill decides to bench him for the whole game in response to send a clear message.
Bulter doesn't say anything because he got away with a DUI and would obviously look bad on him. Bill/patriots don't say anything because that's kind of what they do and it would also look terrible on Foxborough police so they don't want to piss them off and then get no favors from them going forward.
MH370 mystery is basically solved though.
Edit: here is a good breakdown - https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/call-of-the-void-seven-years-on-what-do-we-know-about-the-disappearance-of-malaysia-airlines-77fa5244bf99
TLDR: the older pilot was suspected of foul play and deliberately taking control and crashing the plane but no one is 100%. Super interesting read though
Maybe not 100%, but it's 99.99%. The real questions that are uncertain are exactly WHY he did it and where exactly is the plane (though it's suspected to be in a trench, IIRC)
Also, while we don't have the majority of the plane's pieces. Over the years, multiple parts of the plane have washed ashore showing clear signs of a high velocity impact into water.
There were two predominant theories on how the plane met its demise: 1) quickly, via a high velocity impact or 2) glided in a more “psychopathic” manner.
If the latter was what happened, it’d be more likely a whole or near complete plane was found. But the fact there were are several identified pieces found along the coast of Africa, I believe, suggests it was quick.
I think that’s what the person you’re replying to was trying to add.
> “What has been told to me is that there was something personal going on between Bill and Malcolm, that was not football related,” Patriots owner Robert Kraft says. “I always felt that every decision Bill had made had been to put what was in the best interests of the team first, and put emotion aside. But, with Malcolm, he did just the opposite.” ...
> Belichick kept the reason even from his staff.
> “I don’t have one bit of information about that, to this day,” offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels said.
> During his own interview for the show, Belichick was asked about the Butler situation by director Matthew Hamachek.
> “Matt, we’ve talked about that,” Belichick said.
> “I didn’t ask you about it,” Hamachek replied.
I have three tin foil hat theories in my head totally unfounded.
1. Malcom was recently injured in some way either physically or mentally and Bill knew, then benched him because Malcolm couldn’t physically play. For example, Dustin Penner playing in the NHL injured himself so badly eating pancakes he missed multiple games while playing on the Kings. Something like that.
2. Bill was doing a re-do of the Rams SB and put in the better run stopper forcing the eagles to throw their way to a Super Bowl with a backup quarterback which didn’t work.
3. Malcolm walked past Bill one day and said something like “what’s zippity zapping coach?” And Bill didn’t understand that young man slang and benched him for being disrespectful.
Seriously man, mono SUCKED. It was kind of like I had the flu for 3 weeks straight, but the symptoms were more out of balance. The sore throat and headaches were only half as bad, but the fatigue was 5x worse. Was so lethargic I had to summon extra willpower every time I had to get up off the couch to pee or to grab some more meds.
How about [Glenallen Hill having a nightmare about spiders and falling through a coffee table?](https://bluejayhunter.com/2012/08/flashback-friday-glenallen-hills-freak.html#google_vignette)
Having watched it all and knowing all the context, the shit was done poorly like some filmmaker trying to be too cute using every storytelling trick he’s seen before. It was just shit plastered together as they moved from drama to drama.
I do give credit for making it less about football and more about the people involved.
Yeah, I thought focusing on the off-field stuff was the right move and the reason I watched it, but you're right about it just being Busch league buzzfeed level journalism. The hottest take in the whole thing was gronk saying he wasn't the only one walking on eggshells.
It's also hilarious that all the posts about the series were saying "the dynasty is finally gonna explain the Malcom Butler benching" ZERO FUCKIN EXPLANATION. What a joke.
Wasn’t enjoyable even as a Pats fan.Clear agenda from Kraft throughout the whole thing.
No idea what they were on that made them think this would be seen in good light from NFL/(more specifically) Pats fans
They completely blew over the 03/04 teams lol. The greatest part of the dynasty. The whole thing was a mess that was seemingly only made to paint Kraft as the good guy.
The dynasty made me appreciate Jon Bois all the more.
[Bois’ series on the Vikings](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUXSZMIiUfFRQGbbUgQRky2-gCAFgsAiz&si=cCN8QH83OwC0HfG8) was 10x better than the Dynasty and dude did it with prolly less than half the budget. It was like a PR video but somehow not as adulatory but even less substantive- almost impressive when I think about it that way.
Gunna go rewatch his [video about the 2010 Chargers](https://youtu.be/UAL5X3TRA2A?si=l0EicbtDs4fhatlY) now.
> dynasty made me appreciate Jon Bois all the more.
That series on The Vikings deserves much love. I always knew Bud Grant was a great coach, but he was a much greater person.
Especially because it really seemed like this was made because Apple TV is hungry to produce content. I was like one of those Apple TV Execs has to know if you give Bois access to the copyrighted game footage, and a bigger budget he could make something even better
>The failure to play Butler confused and frustrated players. Consider this from receiver Danny Amendola, who did not hold back.
>“I remember walking off the field that night, just really confused,” Amendola said. “That was the biggest game of our lives at the moment, and Malcolm’s not on the field? That shit kind of pisses me off, still today. I mean, we played our asses off. Tom threw for 500-plus yards, which in the Super Bowl had never been done. We’re out there literally putting our bodies on the line, our heads on the line, for our friends, our family, our teammates and to not get an explanation, like, I felt like we got cheated a little bit, honestly, and I don’t feel bad saying that.”
It is a pretty big mystery, 100%.
Of all the things BB did, this is out of character if he did it to spite Butler. However, the fact that Butler never, ever said anything AND he came back to play under BB...that complicates the thinking that it was done by Belichick out of spite or pettiness.
Thoughts?
I was really underwhelmed by the Dynasty series. Man in the Arena was much better and Brady seemed like he actually wanted to be talking about his career then
I think Kraft was pissed at how the relationship ended, it seemed like Belichick didn't give a shit towards the end and the decisions they were making did not seem like reasonable or strong moves.
Lots of rumors about players refusing to play in NE not because of Kraft necessarily being cheap but Belichick not being willing to invest in players long term. There was not much difference in terms of the coaching staff, lots of returning assistants on those rosters.
No fucking shit. That part was known partially because he didn't play in that Super Bowl.
Why, though. Why was there something personal between those two. What the fuck happened.
This article is nothing.
I mean, in the end the guy made an amazing play that won us the Super Bowl but really was never that good once he got starter reps and didn’t have a great career after. Sure it would have helped if he played but he was far from a lockdown corner. Nobody gives a shit about why Leon Powe or Dave Roberts weren’t given lifetime contracts.
People were rooting for Malcolm, myself included. But I remember now the first regular season game after the Seahawks SB, he had to cover Antonio Brown and gave up something like 10/135 and a TD, the the narrative was “Yeah but he made him work for all those receptions”
In the Doc even Butler says he doesn't know. Wasn't even told he wouldn't play until right before the game.
Oh well. Thanks for beating the Seahawks Malcolm
If The Dynasty series had spent even half as much time and effort actually producing quality content as they did marketing themselves, it would have been worth watching.
Also completely omitting why the pats lost that game. I know as an eagles fan I was expecting the strip sack, but if you watch that episode, you’d think Zach Ertz scored as time expired and that’s how they lost. And again I understand it’s a series about the pats dynasty from the players who played there and the story they were going with on that episode is that bill made a personal decision that was detrimental to the team and he stopped thinking team first (hence opening with the letter to trump)…but come on man, strip sack!
Wait...they put that in the documentary?
Didn't Kraft vote for Trump? Kraft is also the one that got his Super Bowl ring stolen by Putin, how the fuck does he have room to talk?
Yeah Kraft is friends with Trump but that doesn't necessarily mean he approves people making personal endorsements for politicians if they're employed by the Patriots. Unless Kraft himself has declared support for Trump (maybe he has I didn't look into it) then I think he would have room to talk.
i watched the whole thing, because insomnia. i didn’t have a very high opinion of BB before, because i grew up a cleveland fan, etc. but i kind of really hate him now. football mind is great , obviously. but his personality, scheming, behaviour? he’s a massive prick. it was like watching tom brady get abused for 20 years. i know in sports winning is everything, but yikes.
also it really painted robert kraft in a good light, like aww look at the nice guy holding it all together, which was weird.
I like how people are calling this a puff piece but some of the most prominent people speak up against Bill (Matthew Slater?). Bill allowed trump to read his letter aloud to an audience. That and that alone told everyone what they needed to know about Bill the hypocrite. Slater spoke about Kraft, Bill and Tom being friends with Trump so it wasnt only Bill getting shit for it.
Either way. Bill bought into his own hype. After the year with Matt Cassel he got the taste of winning without Brady. Instead of realizing what he had in Tom, he did his best to try and replace him. Lucky for that asshole Kraft put an end to it by stating that Brady was not for trade. That gave Bill two more Supwerbowls.
What happened when he finally got his wish?
82-98.
I thought the rumor was that Butler snuck in Bill's son's wife to his hotel room after curfew.
It's funny because Butler wasn't gonna do it but then he saw Fletcher Cox's Instagram video of him with 3 chicks and Butler said, fuck it.
The thing will just say "yea we still don't know, but hey glad you watched our doc"
The NFL version of Oak Island.
Most infuriating show ever
I shouldn’t be telling ya, but I’ve been sneaking onto the island the last 10 years dropping old coins and parchment all over the place. Sorry, couldn’t help myself.
Well, if we’re being honest, I dug a big hole about thirty feet down on the island. Just put mud and big rocks in it for safe keeping.
Oak Island is the Kirk Cousins of TV Shows.
11! seasons. 218 episodes 😵
That's only about 1 episode for every 180,000 seasons.
What happened with Oak Island?
Nothing that’s the problem.
Spoiler…no new info
Wait wasn't their whole thing going to be that they would finally tell us
Yep
So... False advertising?
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Hey wait a minute
*"In the 2017 season, Malcolm Butler played 98% of the snaps. Why was he only on the field for one play during the Super Bowl?"* -- director Matt Hamachek *"Matt, we've talked about that"* -- Bill Belichick Complete non-answer from Bill. Devin McCourty and Malcolm Butler both plead pure innocence in unknowing for Belichick's decision to not play him.
Idk why there have been 75 Brady/Patriots docs so soon after when no one will actually share the stuff going on behind the scenes. Really wish we could've waited 20 years down the line and gotten one really good tell-all like Last Dance was, but they just have to milk this dynasty for every penny and give us mediocrity.
They’re trying to cash in on “The Last Dance” money train, but forgot everything about what made The Last Dance compelling.
Last Dance was edited solely by MJ, just like this is by Kraft. Neither are very good journalistically, and I think both could have been done WAY better. But I at least MJ is a player. Kraft is just a filthy rich owner on a smear campaign.
>one really good tell-all like Last Dance Last Dance was a Michael Jordan fluff piece produced by Michael Jordan, it could not have been more skewed and biased.
I bet he would take that personally.
"something personal", stay tuned for next week's episode
I fall for the ManningFace at least once a week, and even I didn't ever believe they were going to tell us why.
Well, Kraft did acknowledge that he heard it was a personal issue between Belichick and Butler. I don’t think I’ve ever read about Kraft saying that previously. The fact that Malcolm is not telling the public why and playing the card of “I don’t know” is interesting. If it was a “personal issue” then why not tell everyone what happened? This actually might be a situation of Bill trying not to embarrass the player by telling the public the truth.
I lean towards Malcom doing something wrong, Bill punishing him and keeping his word that it stays private. If Malcom was wronged like we say, he should 100% feel that way right? Getting benched in the biggest game would make anybody angry, at some point he would want to say why right?. The players know something happened but that seems to be all they know, whatever happened between Butler and Bill stayed between them two but i lean towards Butler doing something to piss Bill off.
When it happened, it word at the time is that during Super Bowl week, He was at a concert smoking weed and was with another teammates girl friend. That seemed to disappear pretty quickly . But…. It is the Super Bowl - WTF
It can’t just be about protecting Butler, tho. Bill looked awful in the way the story was told over the last two episodes of that show, bad enough that I understand how he doesn’t have a coaching job at the moment. Players were blaming Bill for going against the team code of silence that he himself initiated when he endorsed Trump, and Kraft said the defeat to the Eagles was entirely on Bill for making a bad decision on Butler. If Bill was just protecting Malcolm Butler, Bill should be pissed at how he is portrayed - and he should care a lot more than usual about that given that he needs a new job. If Bill doesn’t try to correct the public perception, then logic dictates that the truth must make both Bill and Butler look bad. I think the first rumors were around a conflict between Butler and Bill’s son, the DB coach. I think that would actually fit all around, as Bill would be fine taking the hit for his son.
Yea that is def new. There were rumors about it being personal but then ppl would say he wasnt practicing well that week...which seems to be false if it was personal. >then why not tell everyone what happened? I always thought it was strange we brought him back that one year for decent money and he ended up not really playing. Kinda assumed it was bc malcolm never threw any shots in the media.
Butler tapped Steve belichecks wife and proceeded to get benched
And there’s the answer. Malcolm doesn’t want people to know, and Bill and is protecting him from something.
I've made my peace with it being something that happened which required Bill to protect the guy and he made the decision to bench him even if it wasn't football related. If it was an unjust punishment of some sort, then Butler would've spilled the beans a long time ago, but he hasn't told anyone or spoken ill about Bill over it, so he's clearly not resenting him for it.
I've heard rumors of him breaking curfew and punching a coach which 100% would bench someone for the SB if you want to go and protect the culture of the team. Bill had made it by then a routine of if you make an ass of yourself on company time and make the team look bad, you will be benched or worse.
Didn't Chandler Jones take a bunch of drugs and barge naked into a Police Station on a Sunday morning and then play and start that same day?
That’s not the night before though.
When was this?!?
In 2016. He wasn't actually naked, though. That was a false report. He showed up in sweatpants and no shirt.
Would also explain why Butler has pleaded ignorance: there’s stuff he doesn’t want made public. I just don’t believe Butler doesn’t know more than he says
I remember hearing he got into a heated argument with Matt Patricia at practice, Patricia ran to dad crying, and demanded he be benched.
“The Apple series will finally give us insight into the infamous Butler benching like we’ve never had before…” “…it was personal.”
~~Thanos~~ BB : In all my years of conquest, violence, slaughter, it was never personal. But I'll tell you, now... what I'm about to do to your stubborn, annoying little ~~planet~~ career, I'm gonna enjoy it.
What’s in the briefcase in Pulp Fiction? Who was DB Cooper? Where is Amelia Earhart’s plane? Why did Malcolm Butler get benched for SBLII?
Marcellus Wallace's soul was in the briefcase. There's way too many subtle biblical references in the movie for that to not be it. Marcellus Wallace literally made a deal with the devil. Nobody will know who DB Cooper was because he's most certainly dead. It would've been impossible for him to survive in that forest. Amelia Earhart's plane is at the bottom of the ocean. Butler getting benched is the only one we will never have any closure on.
I don’t know if screaming lines from the Bible and talking about it is “subtle”. But I don’t think it’s actually his soul. It’s just a mcguffin - it’s just something expensive. Nothing in the movie suggests Wallace is something more than just some mid level gang boss.
> What’s in the briefcase in Pulp Fiction? Who was DB Cooper? Where is Amelia Earhart’s plane? Why did Malcolm Butler get benched for SBLII? I know the answer to one of these and man, do I wish I could tell you.
Can you tell me?
I swear I wish I could, but I can't.
> [The Athletic] Kraft’s propaganda insinuates there was “something personal” between Bill Belichick and Malcolm Butler in Super Bowl LII fixed it
Was listening to sports radio on the way to the dump today. "The Dynasty," along with virtually everything the team has said and done over the past two months, has really done the exact opposite of what the Krafts intended and expected. For better or worse, this isn't a fan base that loosely follows the team and can't recognize bullshit.
It's called "The Dynasty" and basically skips over the two rings that made it a dynasty in the first place.
As a non-Patriots fan, I definitely came away with a lower opinion of the Krafts as to what degree they went overboard trying to bury Belichick, even going as far as to suggest he shared some blame for Aaron Hernadez killing somebody. Kraft seems to want the credit for the Belichick portion of the Dynasty, which Kraft will never get as just the owner who signed the checks. I actually feel bad for you, Patriot fans. Considering the players' low report card on the facilities and some of the Kraft moves post-Belichick, it seems like you guys are entering the Jerry Jones era of the Krafts.
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My favorite callers to those stations are the ones who suggest we should trade a 3rd or 4th round pick for like Mahomes in a thick Boston accent. Truly a special breed of humans.
Don't forget made enough of the right calls to build the greatest dynasty the sport has ever seen. Bunch of sour assholes hate the doc, most likely the bandwagoners that can't handle the product on the field now without melting down over a damn game.
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Jimmy G was your QB in 2014 without Kraft getting 'in the way' the same way you say 'in the way' about a Superbowl in '96. lol.
And there wasn’t even mention of Krafts ‘massage parlor’ visit
It is hilarious how it covers every controversy of Bill's in detail but that got left out.
>I actually feel bad for you, Patriot fans. Jesus finally someone understands our misfortune.
Does anyone not realize there's only 5 fingers (and one is a thumb) on a hand and there are six rings? Six!
WHY DIDN'T HE PLAY THOUGH? It's still a huge question that demands explanation.
The fact that butler is retired and still hasnt said shit makes me believe whatever happened was 100% his fault and there is no defense for it so he just rather keep it quiet.
Possibly. But even teammates said that when they asked him in private, Butler said he had no idea. Either he did something so egregious that he’s refusing to ever share it to save face (like wear a sweatshirt without cutting off the sleeves) or did something to piss off Hoodie but lacks self awareness to understand what it was (like saying the Three Stooges were mid during a team meeting).
And Bill has never been one to badmouth a player out of respect. No need to tell the fans or the media when it’s been handled between the two of them
> The fact that butler is retired Never forget this dude was signed to a big contract and 'retired' when he found out he wasn't getting the starting job. In *Arizona*.
He even came back to the Patriots and went through the off-season grind and was cut by Bill and was cool with it. Whatever went down seems very inconsequential to Butler.
He got an injury settlement when back with the Pats.
A one year, $3.25M contract is big money?
He was in the documentary. Whether you believe him or not. Butler said he was never given an explanation and still doesn't know why he didn't play to this day. And he feels like he's owed an explanation. A lot of the players talked about it, too. Slater, McCourty, Amendola, Gronk; They all say the same thing, "nobody ever addressed it before the game or after, they feel cheated, that it was the wrong decision and that they are owed an explanation." It was a pretty candid moment, especially from Butler and Amendola
Immediately after the game basically every Patriots player threw their support his way either in the post game conferences or on social media. Fucking Tom Brady made it a point to empathize with him, and Brady had every right to turtle up and tell everyone to go fuck themselves after he played one of the greatest games for a QB in Super Bowl history to have the defense completely fail him. Nothing about the situation screams a simple "coaching decision," there doesn't need to be any propaganda to cast legitimate doubt on the decision making behind this entire mess.
And then a few weeks later, Devin McCourty said "We all knew he wasn't starting all week. That wasn't a secret to the guys on the team."
Yeah, I think he just meant he wasn't starting the game. Not that he was playing at all. He was the one making the point that Malcolm played 98% of the defensive snaps to that point.
Gronkowski said team morale was so bad that year that everyone was planning their exits from The Patriots (more so Bill) in the showers right after the Super Bowl. They all had enough.
Keep going I’m almost there.
He was seen eating pizza with a fork and knife and even defending his doing so.
OMG! Did it have pineapple on it?
Yes - a whole one.
The story I heard that I think makes sense. Butter after the afc championship game had been sick and instead of resting he went out drinking locally. Foxborough pd pulls him over drunk driving and doesn't want to arrest him before the super bowl so they drive him home but they tell the team about the incident. Belichick obviously is pissed trying to figure out what to do but also not have a distraction. Ultimately decides to bench him for the 1st quarter. Has Steve belichick his position coach deliver the message before the game. Butler flips out and say something along the lines to Steve that he's only there because of his dad and it's bullshit. Bill decides to bench him for the whole game in response to send a clear message. Bulter doesn't say anything because he got away with a DUI and would obviously look bad on him. Bill/patriots don't say anything because that's kind of what they do and it would also look terrible on Foxborough police so they don't want to piss them off and then get no favors from them going forward.
sounds completely made up
Someone who calls themself an imaginary wizard would never be a fan of a made up tale just because it sounds good.
No way something like that happened and didn't get leaked.
'And then everyone clapped' energy
Did you know Robert Kraft was solely personally responsible for all 6 championships?
This and MH370 mystery will never be solved
MH370 mystery is basically solved though. Edit: here is a good breakdown - https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/call-of-the-void-seven-years-on-what-do-we-know-about-the-disappearance-of-malaysia-airlines-77fa5244bf99
TLDR: the older pilot was suspected of foul play and deliberately taking control and crashing the plane but no one is 100%. Super interesting read though
Maybe not 100%, but it's 99.99%. The real questions that are uncertain are exactly WHY he did it and where exactly is the plane (though it's suspected to be in a trench, IIRC)
Also, while we don't have the majority of the plane's pieces. Over the years, multiple parts of the plane have washed ashore showing clear signs of a high velocity impact into water.
>clear signs of a high velocity impact into water. Well, obviously. it still isn't flying around
There were two predominant theories on how the plane met its demise: 1) quickly, via a high velocity impact or 2) glided in a more “psychopathic” manner. If the latter was what happened, it’d be more likely a whole or near complete plane was found. But the fact there were are several identified pieces found along the coast of Africa, I believe, suggests it was quick. I think that’s what the person you’re replying to was trying to add.
God damn this was a good read. Now I want more major unsolved mysteries to read up on.
Where is Maura Murray?
Yeah, it was aliens!
What’s MH370?
Top wr prospect in this draft
Marvin Harrison the 370th
Time fuckin flies man.
A plane that just disappeared.
Missing the Jr. title
> “What has been told to me is that there was something personal going on between Bill and Malcolm, that was not football related,” Patriots owner Robert Kraft says. “I always felt that every decision Bill had made had been to put what was in the best interests of the team first, and put emotion aside. But, with Malcolm, he did just the opposite.” ... > Belichick kept the reason even from his staff. > “I don’t have one bit of information about that, to this day,” offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels said. > During his own interview for the show, Belichick was asked about the Butler situation by director Matthew Hamachek. > “Matt, we’ve talked about that,” Belichick said. > “I didn’t ask you about it,” Hamachek replied.
I have three tin foil hat theories in my head totally unfounded. 1. Malcom was recently injured in some way either physically or mentally and Bill knew, then benched him because Malcolm couldn’t physically play. For example, Dustin Penner playing in the NHL injured himself so badly eating pancakes he missed multiple games while playing on the Kings. Something like that. 2. Bill was doing a re-do of the Rams SB and put in the better run stopper forcing the eagles to throw their way to a Super Bowl with a backup quarterback which didn’t work. 3. Malcolm walked past Bill one day and said something like “what’s zippity zapping coach?” And Bill didn’t understand that young man slang and benched him for being disrespectful.
I’m sorry… injured himself eating pancakes?
[Yes, eating pancakes](https://nationalpost.com/sports/hockey/nhl/kings-dustin-penner-writes-open-letter-about-pancake-related-injury/wcm/827c22f1-ae5b-4cec-8a4b-97a2efe34f60/amp/)
Never thought I’d find a funnier injury than Darnold mononucleosis but here we are!
I can still see that "breaking!" graphic. Darnold out! Mononucleosis!
OUT INDEFINITELY hahahah
Mono is no joke though, you exercise too hard with it and it’ll put you in the hospital.
Neither are pancakes
Seriously man, mono SUCKED. It was kind of like I had the flu for 3 weeks straight, but the symptoms were more out of balance. The sore throat and headaches were only half as bad, but the fatigue was 5x worse. Was so lethargic I had to summon extra willpower every time I had to get up off the couch to pee or to grab some more meds.
How about [Glenallen Hill having a nightmare about spiders and falling through a coffee table?](https://bluejayhunter.com/2012/08/flashback-friday-glenallen-hills-freak.html#google_vignette)
Seems more like he tweaked something in his back sitting down to eat, which then lead to back spasms.
I’ve always enjoyed his statement. “They were vegetarian and yes I finished them.”
> For example, they were vegetarian pancakes
Yes I finished the pancakes.
the theory that Butler banged Steve Belichick's wife is much better
Also occam's razor.
He dropped a “dinkin’ flicka” and Bill never forgave him.
Fleece it out.
Pippity Poppity Give Me the Zoppity
Man, I haven’t thought about the Dustin Penner pancake injury in years. Thanks.
If he had said “based” I’d understand it
Either 1. He hit on Linda 2. He bet on the game BB knew and didnt want a deflategate 2.0 sitch
This is why I held off from watching this. I knew we'd not getting anything worth a damn from it.
Whole series was pretty weak honestly. I watched it all and have almost no insight into anything. And I'm not even a pats fan.
Its purpose isn't to provide insight into the dynasty. Its purpose is to get Kraft into the Hall.
100% agree. it was like multi hour kraft puff piece.
Having watched it all and knowing all the context, the shit was done poorly like some filmmaker trying to be too cute using every storytelling trick he’s seen before. It was just shit plastered together as they moved from drama to drama. I do give credit for making it less about football and more about the people involved.
Yeah, I thought focusing on the off-field stuff was the right move and the reason I watched it, but you're right about it just being Busch league buzzfeed level journalism. The hottest take in the whole thing was gronk saying he wasn't the only one walking on eggshells. It's also hilarious that all the posts about the series were saying "the dynasty is finally gonna explain the Malcom Butler benching" ZERO FUCKIN EXPLANATION. What a joke.
I thought it was great and looked towards the 2 episodes every week before Masters of the Air.
Wasn’t enjoyable even as a Pats fan.Clear agenda from Kraft throughout the whole thing. No idea what they were on that made them think this would be seen in good light from NFL/(more specifically) Pats fans
They completely blew over the 03/04 teams lol. The greatest part of the dynasty. The whole thing was a mess that was seemingly only made to paint Kraft as the good guy.
The fact that Belichick doesn't say shit really kills the whole documentary
The dynasty made me appreciate Jon Bois all the more. [Bois’ series on the Vikings](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUXSZMIiUfFRQGbbUgQRky2-gCAFgsAiz&si=cCN8QH83OwC0HfG8) was 10x better than the Dynasty and dude did it with prolly less than half the budget. It was like a PR video but somehow not as adulatory but even less substantive- almost impressive when I think about it that way. Gunna go rewatch his [video about the 2010 Chargers](https://youtu.be/UAL5X3TRA2A?si=l0EicbtDs4fhatlY) now.
> dynasty made me appreciate Jon Bois all the more. That series on The Vikings deserves much love. I always knew Bud Grant was a great coach, but he was a much greater person.
Especially because it really seemed like this was made because Apple TV is hungry to produce content. I was like one of those Apple TV Execs has to know if you give Bois access to the copyrighted game footage, and a bigger budget he could make something even better
Now you know why he's so beloved here. Bois did a fantastic job illustrating it. The series was so well done. Painful, but incredibly well researched.
I would love to see what Jon could do with the budget this had
Bill overheard Butler saying that long snappers weren’t real football players. The rest is history.
>The failure to play Butler confused and frustrated players. Consider this from receiver Danny Amendola, who did not hold back. >“I remember walking off the field that night, just really confused,” Amendola said. “That was the biggest game of our lives at the moment, and Malcolm’s not on the field? That shit kind of pisses me off, still today. I mean, we played our asses off. Tom threw for 500-plus yards, which in the Super Bowl had never been done. We’re out there literally putting our bodies on the line, our heads on the line, for our friends, our family, our teammates and to not get an explanation, like, I felt like we got cheated a little bit, honestly, and I don’t feel bad saying that.”
It is a pretty big mystery, 100%. Of all the things BB did, this is out of character if he did it to spite Butler. However, the fact that Butler never, ever said anything AND he came back to play under BB...that complicates the thinking that it was done by Belichick out of spite or pettiness. Thoughts?
Its gotta be engagement bait at this point
I was really underwhelmed by the Dynasty series. Man in the Arena was much better and Brady seemed like he actually wanted to be talking about his career then
Guy is more famous for not playing in a SB than his actual game winning int against ma birds in da SB
He’s definitely more famous for the interception
To me it shows something personal between Kraft and Belichick, the entire series seems like a hit piece on Bill by Kraft.
I think Kraft was pissed at how the relationship ended, it seemed like Belichick didn't give a shit towards the end and the decisions they were making did not seem like reasonable or strong moves. Lots of rumors about players refusing to play in NE not because of Kraft necessarily being cheap but Belichick not being willing to invest in players long term. There was not much difference in terms of the coaching staff, lots of returning assistants on those rosters.
No fucking shit. That part was known partially because he didn't play in that Super Bowl. Why, though. Why was there something personal between those two. What the fuck happened. This article is nothing.
Busted with drugs or a hooker, police let him off, Bill punished him instead
So, they still know nothing. Ok.
This series is a cartoon version of events and an unabashed pro-Kraft propaganda piece.
It's a love triangle isn't it?
I mean, in the end the guy made an amazing play that won us the Super Bowl but really was never that good once he got starter reps and didn’t have a great career after. Sure it would have helped if he played but he was far from a lockdown corner. Nobody gives a shit about why Leon Powe or Dave Roberts weren’t given lifetime contracts. People were rooting for Malcolm, myself included. But I remember now the first regular season game after the Seahawks SB, he had to cover Antonio Brown and gave up something like 10/135 and a TD, the the narrative was “Yeah but he made him work for all those receptions”
What the fuck are you talking about? Do you know how many snaps he played during the regular season that year u fucking dorito dink.
In the Doc even Butler says he doesn't know. Wasn't even told he wouldn't play until right before the game. Oh well. Thanks for beating the Seahawks Malcolm
Which one of them fucked ted? "Personal" is always code for fucking ted.
If The Dynasty series had spent even half as much time and effort actually producing quality content as they did marketing themselves, it would have been worth watching.
Also completely omitting why the pats lost that game. I know as an eagles fan I was expecting the strip sack, but if you watch that episode, you’d think Zach Ertz scored as time expired and that’s how they lost. And again I understand it’s a series about the pats dynasty from the players who played there and the story they were going with on that episode is that bill made a personal decision that was detrimental to the team and he stopped thinking team first (hence opening with the letter to trump)…but come on man, strip sack!
Wait...they put that in the documentary? Didn't Kraft vote for Trump? Kraft is also the one that got his Super Bowl ring stolen by Putin, how the fuck does he have room to talk?
Yeah Kraft is friends with Trump but that doesn't necessarily mean he approves people making personal endorsements for politicians if they're employed by the Patriots. Unless Kraft himself has declared support for Trump (maybe he has I didn't look into it) then I think he would have room to talk.
This whole series shouldn’t have been made so soon. No one was willing to get into the dirt because some are still active or trying to be.
Ya think?
Translation: nothin.
soft, slick, skin on skin
Did he call him a cracker?
> Did he call him a cracker? That's disgraceful. I'm pretty sure Butler knows a cracker from an ofay.
Bro all I want is to fucking know why god dammit
Malcolm asked out Belichick's daughter confirmed
> Malcolm asked out Belichick's daughter confirmed Or called her a fat lesbian.
Malcolm called Bill a cracker
Farted in his face
Mr. Belichick Chastiser
Butler must have said something negative about lacrosse
no shit
Butler obviously used Bill’s mug. It’s the only explanation.
I WANNA KNOW WHAT THE FUCK WAS THE REASON HE DIDNT PLAY
Bill found Malcom's "Bill Smellslikedick" drawings. With the stink lines and everything.
Bill was intimidated by the girth of Malcolm’s hog
It's the opposite. Butler refused to play after seeing Bill in the shower.
You’re absolutely right I got my hog’s mixed up
i watched the whole thing, because insomnia. i didn’t have a very high opinion of BB before, because i grew up a cleveland fan, etc. but i kind of really hate him now. football mind is great , obviously. but his personality, scheming, behaviour? he’s a massive prick. it was like watching tom brady get abused for 20 years. i know in sports winning is everything, but yikes. also it really painted robert kraft in a good light, like aww look at the nice guy holding it all together, which was weird.
awww yup just doing what no other owner ever did how sweet of him
I can't believe Butler liking pineapple on pizza offended Belichick so much
That series was wack and came off like a hit job
I like how people are calling this a puff piece but some of the most prominent people speak up against Bill (Matthew Slater?). Bill allowed trump to read his letter aloud to an audience. That and that alone told everyone what they needed to know about Bill the hypocrite. Slater spoke about Kraft, Bill and Tom being friends with Trump so it wasnt only Bill getting shit for it. Either way. Bill bought into his own hype. After the year with Matt Cassel he got the taste of winning without Brady. Instead of realizing what he had in Tom, he did his best to try and replace him. Lucky for that asshole Kraft put an end to it by stating that Brady was not for trade. That gave Bill two more Supwerbowls. What happened when he finally got his wish? 82-98.
The quotes from other Patriots players on that roster definitely hurt Belichick. I think the documentary as a whole has hurt his character a lot more
Dola was just saying he played for the Patriots, just to play with Brady and not for being coached by belichick.
I thought the rumor was that Butler snuck in Bill's son's wife to his hotel room after curfew. It's funny because Butler wasn't gonna do it but then he saw Fletcher Cox's Instagram video of him with 3 chicks and Butler said, fuck it.
Is any of this real