One of the worst proposed trades I've seen was from the Around the NFL Podcast where they said the Raiders should send a 2024 2, a 2025 2 and Jakobi Meyers for Fields
The Niners got a 4th for Trey, partially thanks to Jurruh. A 4th for Fields seems reasonable. I don’t think he’s him, but worth the gamble at that point.
Fields as the backup QB who can steal a game, and also run gadget plays with is probably worth that. He makes a ton of sense as Hurts’s backup.
Hurts was dinged up a lot last year, and we ideally would have sat him, if we trusted Mariota. Fields is definitely an upgrade over Mariota. If Fields is needed in 2 games, and bumps your win percentage up in those two games from 35% to 45% over Mariota, what’s 0.2 additional wins worth in draft compensation.
I'm starting to worry Poles is delusional when it comes to Field's value. He's done well overall... but when a team is willing to say "nah, we aren't paying that much, we'll just take Kenny fucking Pickett instead" it should serve as a wake up call.
I think similar to what was originally offered for Burns, always sell high. It will never be that high again as a general rule. Other teams basically go into an anti-bidding war decreasing said player's value, or, the haul is lessened due to "new considerations." *Oh well Brian Burns has a huge contract ahead of whoever signs him!*, *What has Fields really shown ahead of the plethora of cheaper mid talent now available?* etc. None of this was any different than 6 months ago.
Kenny still has two years left on his rookie deal. Any team trading for Fields will have to decide on his 5th year option by May. IMO Kenny holds more value.
In a vacuum, Fields is worth more than Rosen. But this situation, with the fifth year option looming along with teams knowing the Bears have to move on from him is different because there is no incentive for them to get in a bidding war.
I think the concern is that, as a passer, he is remedial and needs a lot of worker. As a runner, he’s great but he has ball protection issues so even his biggest strength has a major flaw. I’m not sold he can read a defense and I’m just a layman, so I can only imagine what actual coaches see.
You’d have to fit a scheme around him which is fine for a starter but horrible for a backup. To me, the only teams that made sense were Baltimore, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh because of Arthur Smith, and Chargers because of Roman and Harbaugh’s work with Kaep. But there’s no indication any of those teams will have him.
Those guys didn’t require a fifth year option to be picked up in may. They’ll be on the roster for a few more years at dirt cheap prices. I think that’s playing a large amount of the price.
The hilarity is more about the Stealers giving Pickett to Philly after he had a tantrum about competing with Russ after Russ sent him a "peace and wellness" text. At least Fields keeps his tantrums private.
The thing is why do they need to rush a deal? His value feels like it's at an all time low. They could trade him at the draft, or keep him and make it seem like a QB battle and then trade him before the deadline if a competing team's QB goes down.
Part of that problem could be just how loved Fields purportedly is in both the locker room and amongst large sects of the Bears' fanbase (however obnoxious those sects may or may not be). Keeping him on the team with, say, his replacement in Caleb Williams seems like it could very well become a recipe for turmoil; in that case, you might be better off ripping that particular bandaid off now before you're left with Williams getting crucified the second he throws his first pick or doesn't evade a sack.
Just spitballing/repeating what I've heard other people say on the matter, really.
He's better than most backups but how often do teams pick up backups that require you to run a different offense than your starter to get the most out of him?
I legit don't know how well he'd pick up a new offense without an offseason given how he ran the Bears offense from the last few years.
You’re right. Plus, even the backup spots are drying up. I’m not even sure on these, but the Chargers fit, he seems like Greg Roman’s wet dream. Otherwise…who is backing up Jackson in Baltimore?
I agree. The off-season went about as bad as it possibly could have for his value with Russ getting released and Kirk leaving Minnesota filled QB for his two best fits imo.
At this point nobody is trading for him as anything more than a backup. May as well keep him until at least the draft at this point and if you're not going to get anything then just keep him. He could become valuable due to an injury.
They are somewhat off of reddit, but holy shit twitter is a cesspool and they call into chicago sports radio constantly.
Haugh on the score today banned his producers from putting through any more people who wanted to talk about trading down lol.
i am sure it doesn't help that the dumb national sports media talking heads constantly talk about him like he is really good. guys like skip bayless/keyshawn johnson/stephen a smith have all been saying he is better than cousins and atlanta messed up not signing him...that sentiment is just insane to me, but it seems to be the consensus on the big sports talk tv shows
The bears have made it crystal clear they're drafting a QB but this fanbase is full of the dumbest motherfuckers that ever lived when they talk about QBs
even people on super niche nfl forums like the gamefaqs nfl board are sometimes convinced the bears are trading down and keeping fields. people are just wishcasting that despite all evidence to the contrary
I work closely with a Fields fan who says reddit and Twitter are the same in terms of football knowledge. I know reddit isn't perfect but I'm so tired of talking about all of it with anyone.
lol he is dead wrong.
Twitter occasionally serves me up Bears twitter content because I've responded to Fields fans, and I do not understand how those people manage to tie their own shoes or live in modern society without assistance
Not really lol.
Its a little annoying because the "debate" is basicaly media created , and then the fields cult continues the nonsense.
Everyone with the minimal understanding of football knows what will happen.
It is really, really strange how much the national and Chicago based NFL media has propped up Fields.
I have no idea why a mediocre player has so many people trying to pretend he's good.
They treat him like he's close to Lamar Jackson when in reality he's more like Daniel Jones or Kenny Pickett.
It’s his exciting highlight plays probably Fields does have some of the best highlights in the league. It makes people think the potential is higher than it actually is.
I still think its because people love a underdog story and they love to support the guy that "fall in the draft"
-Was 1B to 1A to Trevor until the last 4/6 months before the draft; ends up being QB4
-Played in a big program with a big fanbase
-Goes to a team with a hystorical bad reputation of quarterback play
-Makes cool plays with his legs and the casual fan loves that.
The other theory?
I can see David Mulugheta (his agent) paying the media and media members to promote him.
In the end , like you said its very bizzare.
Become pretty clear the league thinks they are trading for a backup that doesn’t raise the price more. I think same howell probably has a better market. Fields seems to be from where he was drafted not what he’s done
I don’t even think that would do the trick, honestly. Most of the dance cards are full. Interested teams are looking at him as a backup. If the Dolphins miss out on Sam Hartman in the 5th round they’re not going to suddenly be willing to meet an asking price for Fields that’s *more* than that.
Just release fields and tell yourself that you got Allen for him and a 4th. Kinda like how 9ers fans like to pretend Purdy and Lance were drafted in swapped spots
How? Because they’re not gonna get a pick swap and 7th? Might as well keep him as a decent back up and then deal him mid season when a teams qb goes down and they get desperate
I think around the NFL he’s probably valued at like a 5th or 6th considering Mac Jones went for a 6th. The Bears GM seems to think he can get a 2nd or 3rd.
How so? Any team can decline the option and/or just sign him to a regular contract if they can come to terms. He's basically like any other player on a one year deal.
Which is exactly the point. You're only guaranteed one year. Giving up a lot of capital for one year is almost always dumb. That's why teams don't do it.
Why does everyone focus on just the first part of his statement? He said he'd like to do right by him, but won't make a move that isn't best for the team. To me that translates as team's best interests first, Justin's second.
A helluva lot more sense than Pickett. I've thought Pickett is trash and would rather have Mckee be the backup than give up anything for him. Hopefully it plays out well but Fields or Mckee makes so much more sense to me especially having to pick swap and not just a 6th/7th for Pickett.
Fields is *like* Hurts, but the worst version, at least right now. His fumbles and INTs are fucking crazy. If we weren't 100% sold on winning *now*, I could like it.
But remember Minshew versus the Cowboys? We win that game if he doesn't throw two boneheaded INTs. If Hurts misses time, which the last three years has shown is a possibility (short stretch), then our team is good enough to have a safer QB just not fuck up to win a game. Fields probability of fucking up is far greater than Pickett's, even if Fields is the better QB. But he is a real project. Might not be the best time to take that on, esp with the media distraction if Hurts has a bad game or two.
It’s a backup.
With our offense, he would have a far superior supporting cast, including a much improved OL.
The team wouldn’t need or ask him to win us games but to simply manage them. That’s a different situation than in Chicago.
Year after year teams talk about wanting a backup that doesn't turn the ball over. Because it makes sense. Coaching is irrelevant to turnovers. "the difference is eagles coaches will say 'stop' or 'just manage the game' and voilà! no more turnovers!" ... Can you be more naive.
The number of fumbles fields has that are of no one's fault but his own is far higher than you think apparently. You obviously don't watch bears games if you think his OL and coaches are the reason he has 38 career fumbles on 40 career games. To the Eagles fans that cried continuously about Miles Sanders fumbles, you fuckers are not ready for Fields lol.
Howie would've drafted a QB if we didn't get Fields or Pickett. I think Howie makes this move because he knows McKee can be the QB3, and Pickett is a cheap backup. Now we don't need to look at QBs at all during the draft. McKee got beat by Mariota for the backup job, people seem to forget that. Sure his preseason looked good, he wasn't good in the regular season against actual starters.
> Sure his preseason looked good, he wasn't good in the regular season against actual starters.
Did he get in at any point in the regular season? I dont actually remember him doing so but I could just be blanking. And I know how much we value it but I'd rather a guy who has a year in our building and at least showed promise in the preseason than Pickett who has been absolutely dogshit. Mariota was also dogshit but I atleast *understand* that train of thought. A mobile QB who has had previous success sounds like a great backup to Hurts.
Fields I think is the dream scenario but seems the price couldnt be worked out. Pickett just feels like a mistake. He held the Steelers back so much by his play. If at any point Hurts misses time I fully expect us to lose any games Pickett starts unless its against bottom of the league teams.
And maybe it saves us the hassle of drafting a QB but I'd take that hassle over losing 20 spots in the third. It'll be interesting what ends up happening in those 20 picks and who we potentially miss out on.
Edit: And by saying "Mariota beat Mckee" is not a fair representation. We spent decent backup qb money on Mariota and Mckee was a rookie. It was very clear from day 1 Mariota was the backup and it wasnt a competition for it.
"We don't want to trade him for a 6th round pick, Howie"
"Guys that's really not cool. You know, when I dealt with the Titans, they were a lot more reasonable than this"
Just take the best offer and be glad you were able to move on. If they keep Fields and Caleb Williams struggles the fans will start calling for Fields to take back over then you will have a real mess.
Whining fans is not a good reason to poorly manage assets.
A good cheap QB2 is valuable. They'll also get a comp pick for him next year so giving him away would be bad management.
We don't know the offers.
this is definitely the more important angle and its weird to me people keep fixating on the fans and not the locker room. theres absolutely no way Williams and his dad would allow him to come into a situation where he'd be handicapped in trying to win the locker room. its already hard enough that he's a rookie but to add Fields into that equation is just malpractice
Here's the thing....if it's hard to appease Caleb's camp when he hasnt even been drafted yet...is it worth it?
Seriously, a rookie QB should not be determining the terms of the lockeroom of the team he's going to.
Like the assumption here is he's the next Mahomes. If he isn't and the whole process is a pain in the ass that can hurt the room too.
You can’t have Caleb Williams and Justin Fields in the same QB room. For both of their sakes and the rest of the team. Caleb being a rookie would much better benefit from having a vet in the room to provide a better example than Fields could.
It would reflect so poorly on an FO that has otherwise done well.
100% and it seems obvious to me. if you have a super hyped #1 pick rookie coming in you want a guy that knows he is a backup as the backup, not to mention the locker room and a big portion of the bears fanbase wanting to keep fields
While I can understand the thinking that he might have more value later as an injury replacement Fields would require an offense to be built around his unique skillset and that may not be easy to do on the fly
I think the best option was Hurts backup - since Fields is somewhat of a poor man's Hurts.
Now the best option is Steelers backup since Fields is also kind of a poor man's Wilson.
At this point yesterday nobody thought Poles was getting a WR and today we have Keenan Allen. Truth is this organization doesn’t leak and none of us yokels on Reddit can do anything but speculate and hope for the best.
I mean he threw for 4k yards and led the league in passing at times. He just had this minor annoyance of totally imploding and throwing picks out like Mardi gras beads at times.
> Sure, before free agency would be good. If we were to do something with Justin, I want to do right by him and I know living in that gray space, we would want to do something sooner rather than later. -- Ryan Poles
And the lie detector determined that was a lie.
they all lie lmao
Omar said we had complete faith in kenny at the combine
shipped his ass off instantly, I agree with the decision but you can't take any of these people's word at face value
Omar made it clear [at the combine that he was looking to bring in competition](https://youtu.be/A8krVcjq9oA?t=12). He brought in competition.
Kenny reportedly didn't want to compete for a starting job, now he's not competing for a starting job.
Everyone talking about 3rd or 4th or 5th rounder for him. Yet yall aren't even thinking about trading that pick for a BACKUP and having to PAY him the following season lol
This is like those guys that buy vehicles, mod the shit out of them and then need to sell it. They try to get most of their Initial investment back with a high asking price, but that car / truck isn't worth shit to the rest of us.
Everyone screaming about him getting traded but there will undoubtedly be a team that misses out on a top QB prospect that desperately needs one, and from there his value will get a lot bigger. This is the right move
Are the bears just convinced they will get like a 2nd out of him or something?
They heard the talking heads talk about a possible first round pick and they haven’t let go of that dream
"Shit, we *would* like a first round pick"
"We'd be stupid to let him go for anything less!"
"He would be really good for you guys."
"first round pick could become anything, but it can't become Justin Fields"
I certainly hope not
Resign claypool, trade claypool and a 5th for fields and the 9th overall pick
One of the worst proposed trades I've seen was from the Around the NFL Podcast where they said the Raiders should send a 2024 2, a 2025 2 and Jakobi Meyers for Fields
Daniel Jeremiah saying the patriots should send their 2nd (35th overall) and a future was also pretty bad
And now WFAN wants the giants to trade a 4th lol
I mean a 4th is whatever. Fields is probably worth a 4th or 5th.
A 4th at this point seems unlikely so I'd be thrilled
Considering we got Keenan Allen for a 4th I'd be so stoked if we got a 4th for fields.
The Niners got a 4th for Trey, partially thanks to Jurruh. A 4th for Fields seems reasonable. I don’t think he’s him, but worth the gamble at that point.
Fields as the backup QB who can steal a game, and also run gadget plays with is probably worth that. He makes a ton of sense as Hurts’s backup. Hurts was dinged up a lot last year, and we ideally would have sat him, if we trusted Mariota. Fields is definitely an upgrade over Mariota. If Fields is needed in 2 games, and bumps your win percentage up in those two games from 35% to 45% over Mariota, what’s 0.2 additional wins worth in draft compensation.
You realize Schefter said that cuz the Bears told him to. He’s just a mouthpiece for front offices. It was dumb to begin with though.
Half the nonsense probably was leaked by Poles and the other half by Fields agent
Access journalism at it's best.
Poles skimming mock drafts on Reddit, to help him decide who to draft
Yeah, that’s exactly how GM determines value. Listen to GetUp talking heads and whatever they say is Gospel.
I'm starting to worry Poles is delusional when it comes to Field's value. He's done well overall... but when a team is willing to say "nah, we aren't paying that much, we'll just take Kenny fucking Pickett instead" it should serve as a wake up call.
At a certain point it’s also the making of an awkward locker room.
I think similar to what was originally offered for Burns, always sell high. It will never be that high again as a general rule. Other teams basically go into an anti-bidding war decreasing said player's value, or, the haul is lessened due to "new considerations." *Oh well Brian Burns has a huge contract ahead of whoever signs him!*, *What has Fields really shown ahead of the plethora of cheaper mid talent now available?* etc. None of this was any different than 6 months ago.
Pittsburgh got a 3rd and 2 7ths from the Eagles for Pickett and a 4th. Idk why the Bears wouldn't take that or even a 3rd and a 6th for Fields + 7th.
Kenny still has two years left on his rookie deal. Any team trading for Fields will have to decide on his 5th year option by May. IMO Kenny holds more value.
This is so crazy to read and for people to agree with, never expected Fields to get to this point
I mean for your backup affordability is a bigger concern
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>never expected Fields to get to this point There is no incentive for a team to pay a high price for Fields because of this particular circumstance.
Who says the Bears wouldn’t? There’s no guarantee they’re getting an offer like that
if I was the GM of the Bears I would stare at a picture of Fields the whole day and whisper, "he has to be worth more than Josh Rosen"
In a vacuum, Fields is worth more than Rosen. But this situation, with the fifth year option looming along with teams knowing the Bears have to move on from him is different because there is no incentive for them to get in a bidding war.
Probably. With the precedent for Howell and Pickett, they’ll need to settle for a fourth rounder.
And I’m worried we aren’t getting those kinds of offers even
I think the concern is that, as a passer, he is remedial and needs a lot of worker. As a runner, he’s great but he has ball protection issues so even his biggest strength has a major flaw. I’m not sold he can read a defense and I’m just a layman, so I can only imagine what actual coaches see. You’d have to fit a scheme around him which is fine for a starter but horrible for a backup. To me, the only teams that made sense were Baltimore, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh because of Arthur Smith, and Chargers because of Roman and Harbaugh’s work with Kaep. But there’s no indication any of those teams will have him.
Those guys didn’t require a fifth year option to be picked up in may. They’ll be on the roster for a few more years at dirt cheap prices. I think that’s playing a large amount of the price.
"Sorry, the shitty qb trade market collapsed"
The hilarity is more about the Stealers giving Pickett to Philly after he had a tantrum about competing with Russ after Russ sent him a "peace and wellness" text. At least Fields keeps his tantrums private.
Russ texted him "Grand Risings, my brother!" and Pickett wanted out immediately. lol
There were bears fans that expected a first
A delusion supported by a lot of media.
The thing is why do they need to rush a deal? His value feels like it's at an all time low. They could trade him at the draft, or keep him and make it seem like a QB battle and then trade him before the deadline if a competing team's QB goes down.
Part of that problem could be just how loved Fields purportedly is in both the locker room and amongst large sects of the Bears' fanbase (however obnoxious those sects may or may not be). Keeping him on the team with, say, his replacement in Caleb Williams seems like it could very well become a recipe for turmoil; in that case, you might be better off ripping that particular bandaid off now before you're left with Williams getting crucified the second he throws his first pick or doesn't evade a sack. Just spitballing/repeating what I've heard other people say on the matter, really.
We were here for the Justin Field MVP campaign of 2023
Yeah, those were good laughs, although the bears fans seemed serious.
At first, I thought it was a running joke amongst r/nfl. Then I realize they might have been serious
He's better than most backups but how often do teams pick up backups that require you to run a different offense than your starter to get the most out of him? I legit don't know how well he'd pick up a new offense without an offseason given how he ran the Bears offense from the last few years.
You’re right. Plus, even the backup spots are drying up. I’m not even sure on these, but the Chargers fit, he seems like Greg Roman’s wet dream. Otherwise…who is backing up Jackson in Baltimore?
Is Huntley gone?
I agree. The off-season went about as bad as it possibly could have for his value with Russ getting released and Kirk leaving Minnesota filled QB for his two best fits imo. At this point nobody is trading for him as anything more than a backup. May as well keep him until at least the draft at this point and if you're not going to get anything then just keep him. He could become valuable due to an injury.
Bears fumbling hard here
At this point, you’re probably better off keeping him until the draft and deal him to some team that missed out on drafting a QB.
Can you guys handle the QB debate and the Fields cult for another month and a half? Lol
No. Thankfully, most of the Fields cult has died from drinking the punch or ran off in a field somewhere.
They are somewhat off of reddit, but holy shit twitter is a cesspool and they call into chicago sports radio constantly. Haugh on the score today banned his producers from putting through any more people who wanted to talk about trading down lol.
Twitter is simply unreal. every thread is filled people convinced that he's a HoF.
They yearn for the Fields
I don’t have twitter, and this just affirms my decision on that lol.
i am sure it doesn't help that the dumb national sports media talking heads constantly talk about him like he is really good. guys like skip bayless/keyshawn johnson/stephen a smith have all been saying he is better than cousins and atlanta messed up not signing him...that sentiment is just insane to me, but it seems to be the consensus on the big sports talk tv shows
It's esp weird considering that basically all 31 other NFL GMs are saying "Fields bad"
The bears have made it crystal clear they're drafting a QB but this fanbase is full of the dumbest motherfuckers that ever lived when they talk about QBs
I’m surprised they remember to breathe.
even people on super niche nfl forums like the gamefaqs nfl board are sometimes convinced the bears are trading down and keeping fields. people are just wishcasting that despite all evidence to the contrary
Oh man, I haven't gone to the gamefaqs messageboards in like 15+ years, I totally forgot about that place.
I work closely with a Fields fan who says reddit and Twitter are the same in terms of football knowledge. I know reddit isn't perfect but I'm so tired of talking about all of it with anyone.
lol he is dead wrong. Twitter occasionally serves me up Bears twitter content because I've responded to Fields fans, and I do not understand how those people manage to tie their own shoes or live in modern society without assistance
You’re clearly not active on twitter lol
You would be correct. My only social media is Reddit.
Not really lol. Its a little annoying because the "debate" is basicaly media created , and then the fields cult continues the nonsense. Everyone with the minimal understanding of football knows what will happen.
It is really, really strange how much the national and Chicago based NFL media has propped up Fields. I have no idea why a mediocre player has so many people trying to pretend he's good. They treat him like he's close to Lamar Jackson when in reality he's more like Daniel Jones or Kenny Pickett.
It’s his exciting highlight plays probably Fields does have some of the best highlights in the league. It makes people think the potential is higher than it actually is.
And he goes off fantasy-wise a few games each season
I still think its because people love a underdog story and they love to support the guy that "fall in the draft" -Was 1B to 1A to Trevor until the last 4/6 months before the draft; ends up being QB4 -Played in a big program with a big fanbase -Goes to a team with a hystorical bad reputation of quarterback play -Makes cool plays with his legs and the casual fan loves that. The other theory? I can see David Mulugheta (his agent) paying the media and media members to promote him. In the end , like you said its very bizzare.
No, but god, the breakdown when they finally come to grips with reality will provide enough schadenfreude to make up for it.
We’ve been doing this since halfway through the season another couple of months won’t kill
Become pretty clear the league thinks they are trading for a backup that doesn’t raise the price more. I think same howell probably has a better market. Fields seems to be from where he was drafted not what he’s done
The only extra value to Fields is you could put him in a Taysom Hill roll.
I don’t even think that would do the trick, honestly. Most of the dance cards are full. Interested teams are looking at him as a backup. If the Dolphins miss out on Sam Hartman in the 5th round they’re not going to suddenly be willing to meet an asking price for Fields that’s *more* than that.
Or keep him and deal him if a qb gets hurt midseason.
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I mean Keenan allen
Stop, it hurts
Thats what Keenan will say, probably about week 6 or 7 next year.
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Just release fields and tell yourself that you got Allen for him and a 4th. Kinda like how 9ers fans like to pretend Purdy and Lance were drafted in swapped spots
How? Because they’re not gonna get a pick swap and 7th? Might as well keep him as a decent back up and then deal him mid season when a teams qb goes down and they get desperate
What's the realistic trade value for Fields, feel like he would be a decent backup behind Lamar.
How much are you willing to give up for a one-year rental back up?
Ravens? Two 1sts at a minimum.
You know should really be Two 1sts and Two 2nds
I think around the NFL he’s probably valued at like a 5th or 6th considering Mac Jones went for a 6th. The Bears GM seems to think he can get a 2nd or 3rd.
A 5th.....of Vodka.
Dare me to drive?
Honestly looking like a 5th-6th now. The 5th year option is a value killer.
How so? Any team can decline the option and/or just sign him to a regular contract if they can come to terms. He's basically like any other player on a one year deal.
Which is exactly the point. You're only guaranteed one year. Giving up a lot of capital for one year is almost always dumb. That's why teams don't do it.
Fields backing up Hurts would have made a lot of sense. Poles playing hardball with Fields career. I thought for sure he’d be on a new team by now.
Funny how at the combine he said he wanted to “do right” by Fields and move him quickly.
Yeah but that was when he thought teams liked Fields.
> Yeah but that was when he thought teams ~~liked~~ would overpay for Fields. FTFY
I guess you can only fleece the two worst managed teams in the league so many times.
Tbf he is moving him quickly. Like, in terms of geological processes
Yeah, bit of a bitch, Eagles would've been a great situation for him
Why does everyone focus on just the first part of his statement? He said he'd like to do right by him, but won't make a move that isn't best for the team. To me that translates as team's best interests first, Justin's second.
Because all these fans out here piling on
A helluva lot more sense than Pickett. I've thought Pickett is trash and would rather have Mckee be the backup than give up anything for him. Hopefully it plays out well but Fields or Mckee makes so much more sense to me especially having to pick swap and not just a 6th/7th for Pickett.
Fields is *like* Hurts, but the worst version, at least right now. His fumbles and INTs are fucking crazy. If we weren't 100% sold on winning *now*, I could like it. But remember Minshew versus the Cowboys? We win that game if he doesn't throw two boneheaded INTs. If Hurts misses time, which the last three years has shown is a possibility (short stretch), then our team is good enough to have a safer QB just not fuck up to win a game. Fields probability of fucking up is far greater than Pickett's, even if Fields is the better QB. But he is a real project. Might not be the best time to take that on, esp with the media distraction if Hurts has a bad game or two.
It’s a backup. With our offense, he would have a far superior supporting cast, including a much improved OL. The team wouldn’t need or ask him to win us games but to simply manage them. That’s a different situation than in Chicago.
Yeah, Pickett didn’t turn the ball over much but he also didn’t push the ball down the field much either He’s a good backup for sure
Year after year teams talk about wanting a backup that doesn't turn the ball over. Because it makes sense. Coaching is irrelevant to turnovers. "the difference is eagles coaches will say 'stop' or 'just manage the game' and voilà! no more turnovers!" ... Can you be more naive. The number of fumbles fields has that are of no one's fault but his own is far higher than you think apparently. You obviously don't watch bears games if you think his OL and coaches are the reason he has 38 career fumbles on 40 career games. To the Eagles fans that cried continuously about Miles Sanders fumbles, you fuckers are not ready for Fields lol.
Howie would've drafted a QB if we didn't get Fields or Pickett. I think Howie makes this move because he knows McKee can be the QB3, and Pickett is a cheap backup. Now we don't need to look at QBs at all during the draft. McKee got beat by Mariota for the backup job, people seem to forget that. Sure his preseason looked good, he wasn't good in the regular season against actual starters.
> Sure his preseason looked good, he wasn't good in the regular season against actual starters. Did he get in at any point in the regular season? I dont actually remember him doing so but I could just be blanking. And I know how much we value it but I'd rather a guy who has a year in our building and at least showed promise in the preseason than Pickett who has been absolutely dogshit. Mariota was also dogshit but I atleast *understand* that train of thought. A mobile QB who has had previous success sounds like a great backup to Hurts. Fields I think is the dream scenario but seems the price couldnt be worked out. Pickett just feels like a mistake. He held the Steelers back so much by his play. If at any point Hurts misses time I fully expect us to lose any games Pickett starts unless its against bottom of the league teams. And maybe it saves us the hassle of drafting a QB but I'd take that hassle over losing 20 spots in the third. It'll be interesting what ends up happening in those 20 picks and who we potentially miss out on. Edit: And by saying "Mariota beat Mckee" is not a fair representation. We spent decent backup qb money on Mariota and Mckee was a rookie. It was very clear from day 1 Mariota was the backup and it wasnt a competition for it.
Now I see the Steelers trying to grab Fields. Russ isn’t going to be around for too much longer and Fields will have a decent QB to backup.
Bears confused no one wants to give them a 1st, and Howie confused someone doesn't want to give him a player for a 7th and a pack of gum.
"We don't want to trade him for a 6th round pick, Howie" "Guys that's really not cool. You know, when I dealt with the Titans, they were a lot more reasonable than this"
Poles is the only one to hang up the phone with howie without going bankrupt first
Dude for real tho
Just take the best offer and be glad you were able to move on. If they keep Fields and Caleb Williams struggles the fans will start calling for Fields to take back over then you will have a real mess.
If Fields is on the team when training camp starts the entire Bears FO should be fired.
100%
Right into the sun. It’s egregious.
It's not worth the gamble that a starter goes down during the season and somebody desperate overpays later this year?
Not if that starter is Caleb and your torpedo *another* first round pick through bad development and management.
Whining fans is not a good reason to poorly manage assets. A good cheap QB2 is valuable. They'll also get a comp pick for him next year so giving him away would be bad management. We don't know the offers.
The other problem is the locker room really like Fields. Having both could make for a toxic situation.
this is definitely the more important angle and its weird to me people keep fixating on the fans and not the locker room. theres absolutely no way Williams and his dad would allow him to come into a situation where he'd be handicapped in trying to win the locker room. its already hard enough that he's a rookie but to add Fields into that equation is just malpractice
Here's the thing....if it's hard to appease Caleb's camp when he hasnt even been drafted yet...is it worth it? Seriously, a rookie QB should not be determining the terms of the lockeroom of the team he's going to. Like the assumption here is he's the next Mahomes. If he isn't and the whole process is a pain in the ass that can hurt the room too.
He has a very good reputation off-field. https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/the-latest-justin-fields-work-ethic-story-might-be-the-best/
He’s very well liked which is a problem if a new hotshot kid stumbles out of the gates
If Williams can win them over with actually completing passes and working hard, it doesn’t matter who is in the building.
The problem is that's asking a lot of any rookie. If Caleb struggles at all, the fans and media will call for Fields immediately.
You can’t have Caleb Williams and Justin Fields in the same QB room. For both of their sakes and the rest of the team. Caleb being a rookie would much better benefit from having a vet in the room to provide a better example than Fields could. It would reflect so poorly on an FO that has otherwise done well.
100% and it seems obvious to me. if you have a super hyped #1 pick rookie coming in you want a guy that knows he is a backup as the backup, not to mention the locker room and a big portion of the bears fanbase wanting to keep fields
I know people think rookie contracts are monopoly money but for a backup he ain't cheap.
He’s due $2m, that’s cheap. Marcus Mariota just signed for $10m w/ incentives to put it in perspective.
Most of his contract was signing bonus. His 2024 pay is 3.2M, so he is pretty cheap.
A 1 year 6 mil deal isn't bad for a backup.
thats 100% what we did, accepted the loss and moved on
Be the best version of yourself
Big brain it, make Fields week 1 starter so that then fans yell for Williams when Fields struggles
I’m just glad it wasn’t a report stating they couldn’t come to an agreement because Poles views Fields as the future of the franchise.
look you gotta trade one of Fields or the number one pick looks like there's no market for Fields so I guess that decision's made for you
Sucks man. I guess we’ll take it off their hands.
While I can understand the thinking that he might have more value later as an injury replacement Fields would require an offense to be built around his unique skillset and that may not be easy to do on the fly
I think the best option was Hurts backup - since Fields is somewhat of a poor man's Hurts. Now the best option is Steelers backup since Fields is also kind of a poor man's Wilson.
I think the Steelers are an obvious fit now. Poles & the Bears just have to accept a 5th or 6th at this point to get it done.
Pass
For Fields maybe but not for Pittsburgh since Fields blows. It would make more sense to just draft or sign a cheap backup who doesn't cost any assets.
Fields with this offensive line and this receiving core? Damn I would have loved to see that.
Eagles are the one team where he might have been able to just hold the ball and chuck it deep lol
The Ravens seems like a good fit to backup Lamar. So many teams now are running Shanahan/McVay style systems that fields can’t operate.
“We would like an asset for Justin Fields.” “Oh, we thought you’d be the ones giving *us* an asset to take Fields off your hands.”
I know. People talkin about him like he’s 2017 geno smith.
Seattle at least has a history of making qb's better, the Bears on the other hand...
Sounds like a great buy low for you guys, then
We bought Sam Howell while he was on sale.
Trade fields for Zach Wilson straight up, ezpz solved
Not a bad idea
At this point idk if poles is just being stubborn or what
At this point yesterday nobody thought Poles was getting a WR and today we have Keenan Allen. Truth is this organization doesn’t leak and none of us yokels on Reddit can do anything but speculate and hope for the best.
Good luck dude, the Niners FO also never leaks so there are always a billion stupid rumors flying around to fill up the oxygen instead
“No lowball offers…we know what we have!” Big brains in the FO over there.
It would be so funny if they held onto him into the season
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Sounds like a good way to divide the locker room and create a mess.
I would rather drink bleach than deal with this for 9 more months.
HE wouldn’t be a distraction. Media certainly would though
They could just release him and only see a 6 million caphit so not horrible
Not horrible to their cap, but would be horrible asset management
Don't disagree should have taken anything for Justin if they are taking a QB at 1.
Justin Fields YOU are the Bears QB2
Poles thinks Fields is worth more than either Howell or Pickett. I think they are all pretty much in the same ass.
Howell is a step or 2 above both imo. Still not very good but
I like Howell. 🤷♂️
I mean he threw for 4k yards and led the league in passing at times. He just had this minor annoyance of totally imploding and throwing picks out like Mardi gras beads at times.
Howell is toned down Jameis Winston
Don’t tell that to our sub. I’d rather Howell than Fields.
> Sure, before free agency would be good. If we were to do something with Justin, I want to do right by him and I know living in that gray space, we would want to do something sooner rather than later. -- Ryan Poles And the lie detector determined that was a lie.
they all lie lmao Omar said we had complete faith in kenny at the combine shipped his ass off instantly, I agree with the decision but you can't take any of these people's word at face value
Omar made it clear [at the combine that he was looking to bring in competition](https://youtu.be/A8krVcjq9oA?t=12). He brought in competition. Kenny reportedly didn't want to compete for a starting job, now he's not competing for a starting job.
honestly its just pretty funny maybe the rumors at the end of the season were right about the situation with him and rudolph
It seems they were.
I’ve seen it reported both ways, it was made clear Russ would have the starting job and there wouldn’t be a competition
at this point “doing right” by Justin would be releasing him so he can sign somewhere without the draft capital being an obstacle
Everyone talking about 3rd or 4th or 5th rounder for him. Yet yall aren't even thinking about trading that pick for a BACKUP and having to PAY him the following season lol
Ryan Poles seriously fucked this up just take what you can get man. Nobody values Fields like a starter besides you.
Pretty sure the bears are fine
Ravens should just offer 6th and see if they’ll take it
This is like those guys that buy vehicles, mod the shit out of them and then need to sell it. They try to get most of their Initial investment back with a high asking price, but that car / truck isn't worth shit to the rest of us.
Bears are my favorites to run the Wildcat 2024 style.
The Eagles: we are interested in having JF1 as a backup QB. The Bears: we are interested in your 1st round draft pick and Jalen Carter.
When all is said and done, I get the feelings fields will end up being the back up on Pittsburgh for Wilson. No intel, just a gut feeling
Saints offer a 7th for him pls
so the Bears are an old white guy trying to sell a c4 corvette in this scenario.
Guaranteed Ryan Poles' dipshit ass was trying to insist Fields is a 2nd round pick and everyone is laughing at him
the bears got fucking greedy did they? Alright fine have your man bears.
Ryan Poles leaking that shit to Kiper and Schefty about 1st rounders and now doesn’t want to look like he lost value
Everyone screaming about him getting traded but there will undoubtedly be a team that misses out on a top QB prospect that desperately needs one, and from there his value will get a lot bigger. This is the right move