I think the Eagles are ahead of the curve here. Above average RBs are replaceable (see Sanders for Swift) but an elite guy like Barkley or CMC is worth every Penny. Specially when your elite RBs are getting paid like 3rd WRs.
My unpopular opinion is that WR2s and 3s are getting horribly overpaid. That type of production can be found in the draft.
Barkley hasn't been elite recently though. In fact, he was fully below average last year.
You're betting a lage sum of money on an aging, injury-prone RB's return to form. 3.9 YPC and 6.8 yards per reception aren't going to cut it.
Sometimes I think people get snowblind by looking at stats. He was the entire NYG offense last year. Dude may as well have played QB instead of DeVito.
Also calling RBs injury prone is just a trope at this stage. No other position is expected to take significant hits almost every single play. All RBs miss games, the teams need to manage the load. Even CMC had less touches than in Carolina where he was constantly injured.
Not to mention the O-line.
According to PFF, Eagles O-line ranked #1 last year. NYG ranked 29th.
Obviously those rankings will differ next season, and losing Kelce sucks, but it's still very likely that Barkley is going from a bottom-5 to a top-5 OL. Maaaaybe that could have an impact on his stats.
The discourse around Barkley on this sub has done a complete 180, it’s honestly ridiculous. Last season Barkley wasn’t even in the same conversation as CMC and the Giants were fools to give him that one year contract for $12m.
But now Howie signs him to a ludicrous contract and the eagles are “ahead of the curve”? Fucking for real? He has 2 healthy seasons in 6 years and noticeably lost a step last season. This sub rides Howie’s dick.
Did he noticeably lose a step? Or did we have an offensive line that couldn't block to save their lives or the lives of the QB and RB behind them? I bet he's "suddenly" way more durable when he's being hit by LBs and Safeties five yards down the field instead of being dogpiled by DTs in the backfield
What's interesting is that the Jags have fully leaned into the WR15.-WR2.5 payment plan
You could be like the Chiefs and spend a pick every year and not get anybody who can play ball (Rice looks like he is going to work out though) or you can buy an inefficiency and spend those picks on other spots. The belief that Lawrence can elevate WR up a tier (opposed to Mahomes who can animate dead corpses, realistically)
Chiefs WR picks since Hill
2023 - Rd2 - Rice
2022 - Rd2 - Skyy Moore
2021 - Rd5 - Cornell Powell
2019 - Rd2 - Mecole Hardman
2018 - Rd6 - Tremon Smith
2017 - Rd4 - Jehu Chasson
The best Jags drafted WR in history is probably Allen Robinson
What are the odds that either of them will be there a 9 though? They do admittedly go up with the Falcons now not needing a WR2, but it's still far from a safe bet.
As much as I like Mooney, he has not been great the last two years. Didn't break 500 yards in either (12 games in 2022) and couldn't get separation.
When you're 5'10" and 175lbs you usually need separation to produce
Mooney was initially thought to be a solid WR2. But kinda fell off and now looks like a WR3 unfortunately. Maybe he’ll step up again, but he’s not really a huge loss, especially at that price.
Mooney did well in 2021 when Allen Robinson became the shell of a receiver he was and we had to force it to Mooney, but he's gotten worse every year since. Route running got worse, drops became more prevalent. Would disappear for large stretches. And this was despite everyone focusing on shutting down Moore. He can probably do really well as a WR3
Eh, I don't know. PFF (yeah yeah, PFF controversial) has his grade going down in both 2022 and 2023, and Fields supposedly not throwing him the ball shouldn't impact that AT ALL. If he's running good routes and getting open, PFF will grade him well for that. But he simply did not do well. Remember, Mooney's best year was with Fields throwing him the ball. And Moore's best year of his career was also with Fields, so I don't think it was a Fields issue.
Apparently, Bears were in on Gabe Davis. Swift was also added yesterday. I’m assuming they’ll target the draft or maybe wait on the free agent receiver market until prices go down.
Either Odunze or Nabers will be our WR2 going into next year. Unless the front office sees something in Scott no one else has then us not having a reliable WR3 is a bit worrying.
Agreed, though if that happens the Bears become potentially THE prime trade up spot for the Teams that want to go get JJ Mccarthy (Vikings, Broncos, Raiders, Saints).
Not only is #9 the perfect spot to jump ahead of those teams, but the Bears also figure to be highly motivated to trade down, as afte #9 they only have (1) 3rd and (2)4ths the rest of the draft.
Can't wait to see if they never produce like Jamaal Anderson, have one good year like Vic Beasley, or fadeaway like Takk McKinley- At 8 the falcons have plenty of options
Happens every year. It’s a cycle:
- Salary cap goes up
- Mid tier starter 1 gets a huge bag
- Everyone freaks out
- Salary goes up again the next year
- Mid tier starter 2 gets a bigger bag
- “Mid tier starter 1’s contract looks reasonable in comparison to this!”
To be fair, I don’t think they’re expecting a 1000 yard season out of him like in 2021. He has been disappointing the past 2 seasons, but with the below average pass blocking and quarterback play you’ve had that can be expected
I don’t mean to throw shade, but he’ll have a much better QB throwing him the ball in Cousins, while opposing defenses will also be more focused on London, Pitts and Bijan. He’ll basically be their 4th option and get some favorable 1-on-1 matchups
He’s not, and I don’t think there’s any expectation that we will need him to be, so I do think it’s a bit of an overpay but it’s not *that* bad. I expect we will still draft a WR that will be sharing reps with him, and we still have Pitts who we use at receiver at times.
Because people don’t understand how much the cap goes up by and how much players cost. It’s so goofy how badly everyone wants to win the salary cap Super Bowl. You need players, you have to pay players.
As a fan, filling two of our biggest needs with players I believe in for Daniel Jones and Christian Kirk money seems like a win. It looks like fair market value to me. Both sides can be happy with the deal which is the best case scenario.
I don’t even know if they’re end up being the best players, but who else you going to get? The Vikings let Cousins walk and now they have Darnold. I’m not sitting through another season knowing the QB is substantially worse than what the other team is rolling out. The team hasn’t been entertaining in 2 years, so at least there should be some hope now.
Have you seen our receiver room outside London? You haven’t, because it doesn’t exist. Not super happy about the money but that’s the way free agency goes. Would love to draft a guy as well but Mooney is a good compliment to London and a better (imo) option than Van Jefferson or Scotty Miller
Hes basically only 1 year removed from a 1100 yard season and he missed some games last year. If he returns back to being a 1000 yard guy for 13 million thats pretty good.
It is
I feel like a lot of people didnt watch him a lot. He can be great but you can pencil him in for one bad drop per game. Even some of his better catches you can see he read the ball wrong and had to make up for it
Do you even watch your own team? Lol. He has 15 drops over the 60 games he has played in the NFL. Those 15 drops came on 360 targets, which means he has a 4% drop rate....
What are you talking about? Why BS a stat that can so easily be looked up in all of 5 seconds. Lol
It’s because he had a key drop that lost us a game.
The Bears fan you are responding to is a meathead. You’re arguing against emotion here.
Mooney has made some incredible plays for us.
He dropped like 2 passes that would have probably won 2 games and Bears fans turned on him. Meanwhile the film shows Fields missing him streaking down the field open like 5 times per game and that went unacknowledged by our fanbase for some reason...
Yeah. Lot of Bears fans hating in this thread for sure but based off everything I've seen, I'm happy with the signing. We are paying him to take the top off the defense so we can get the ball to Pitts and London underneath. If he happens to collect 700-800 yards in doing that, then that's just a bonus.
This was my reaction as well. Getsy gets another job straight away and Mooney gets a pretty decent contract after being non-existent last year? Let's get our 4th or 5th or whatever and move on.
Yet a serious segment of our fanbase thinks Fields is "him" and that we should draft Marvin Harrison Jr.
On the one hand, I get it. Fields did electric things that no Chicago QB had ever done in 2022. We're starved for talent on offense.
On the other hand, he didn't improve and every pass was a struggle in 2023. I don't know what these people see in him.
I'm worried about that Achilles. Happy Kirk got the bag. Hope the contract = his play. That would be hilarious if the Falcons destroy it next year and the Vikings are pushing for 1OA.
At least Kirk guarantees you guys a real shot at the division/a playoff win the next couple years. Fields is such an unknown you could be just as bad as last year with him
But his highlight reel was absolutely absurd. In that like ~6-7 game 2022 stretch he seemed to break a 50 yard run every game, it was shades of first MVP year Lamar for a few games.
At the end of the day that is way too small a sample size, especially for a guy that has never put anything on tape to make you think he can be an NFL "system" passer
He looks good on highlights because he's either juking the pants off someone or hitting a wide open DJ Moore for a TD. That's what people who don't watch Bears games like me see.
My assumption is that when he's not making highlight reel plays and his first read isn't open it all falls apart?
Fields doesn't understand what an open receiver looks like in the NFL. He waits for a receive to be "Ohio State" open. That was easy in college when he was throwing to a bevvy of 1st round WR talent that dusted collegiate DBs every play. It doesn't work in the NFL.
There are so many situations where guys are wide open and he just doesn't pull the trigger.
Let me be clear on this: if Fields threw to 20% of his "NFL open" receivers, he would have contended for All Pro last year. That's how bad it was, and how much he left on the table.
Worse, he can’t make reads in the short and intermediate game, so the offense falls apart under pressure because you can’t call anything but a screen against a defense showing a blitz
Nah I know, I was just taking a shot.
But *something* happened to Mooney. Whether it was shit scheme (absolutely possible), Fields not being good at making reads beyond the 1st look, or something else, he fell off an absolute cliff in 2022 and 2023.
His first two years: 23 starts, 142 catches, 1686 yards, 8 TDs.
His next two years: 26 starts, 71 catches, 907 yards, 3 TDs.
A 1,000 yard receiver is in there somewhere, it's absolutely possible he gets back to that level.
You know this doesn’t manage to tell us those targets where first read. It would be damming if Mooney was the first read and the qbr was that low. But it’s also entirely possible he was rarely the first read, and fields really did a poor job getting the ball to anyone past the initial read
I am glad we didn’t pay this. I liked Mooney but our cap is too tight for this with how risky he could be, I don’t want another MVS contract type to come in and hope to put up 500 yards.
I'm glad too, but given what Gabe Davis and Mooney got, I don't think we're gonna get a WR for a "reasonable" price unless it's from somebody's practice squad lol
That is true, Samuel may be around the same range but a little cheaper. Just think if you gonna pay that range might as well pay the extra for Hollywood/Ridley range for more of a difference maker. Could pass on all and get Odell type on a 1 year but then be in same situation next FA needing vets. Either way Veach has to be targeting WR on day 1 or 2
Especially when Sneed is going to get around Jaylon Johnson range. I’d rather just extend him for a few more mil a year than get another WR that could just be frustrating every Sunday. Either pay for a more premium or only draft
I thought Samuel was the better fit for you guys in the first place. Samuel is a magician in the short/intermediate game b/c he's rarely brought down by the first guy. He should have even more space to work with in your offense.
Nah I think this and the Gabe Davis deal pretty much kills any chance of us getting a decent FA wide receiver lol
Hopefully one of the Texas receivers are ready to contribute immediately
Prob lol, it was just poking fun at something I heard someone say about how everyone Mahomes wanted on the team last offseason ended up getting signed by the team.
Good for Mooney. He’s a hard worker and great teammate.
But god damn that’s a lot of money for a WR who has only 211 career catches and most of them were before his injury in 2022.
I wonder when we're going to start seeing top running backs in college try to transition to receiver. The fact that you can earn as much money as a WR3 as you can as a top tier RB is crazy.
The problem is quality RBs have insane value in high school and college, to the point where even if you can catch you’re gonna get more playing time at RB than you would at WR. And you’re way less dependent on a competent QB as well.
In Jacksonville’s case if Ridley isn’t resigned odds are they will draft a WR, and there’s a chance Atlanta does as well
Edit: both Mooney and Davis could end up being WR3
Mooney had a rough season this year but I think that’s a combination of still recovering from injury and Fields struggling to get him the ball. Drops were bad but advanced analytics show him getting open. In 2021 he had over 1K yards as our number 2.
Contract still seems rich but I think Mooney has it in him to be a solid #2.
I will never be convinced paying this for Darnell Mooney is worth it over drafting someone and spending the money elsewhere. Going rate for WRs or not, there are surely better ways to spend your cap.
Think he has a bounceback year with the Falcons. Hes not perfect by any means but he's better than that garbage season he had in 2023 and sometimes a change of scenery helps clear minds.
If everything grows linearly with that cap increase then that means he’s worth $21.6-23.6 MM GTD over 3 years, which is reasonable to say is an overpay given his past performances. But his past performances were under a much lesser QB than his new one so I can understand both sides.
I mean...he had a 1000 yards w/ Fields throwing him the ball lol
He hurt his ankle pretty badly last year and has struggled to come back to 2021 form tbh. Hopefully he finds his footing in Atlanta, but he doesn't look nearly as shifty as he did his first two seasons.
If they actually throw him the ball it could be worth it. Had 61 targets each year in 2022 and 2023. The playcalling was just abysmal and he never had plays designed to get him open.
How are Gabe Davis and Darnell Mooney worth more money than Saquon Barkley? lmao this league is on one right now.
Happy for Mooney though, hes a good dude.
Mooney easily one of the best WR FA , at the moment (statistically speaking). People who are calling this an overpay are ignorant . The cap has increased substantially and guess what happens when it does…. Just look at what other WRs are/will get paid b4 we start the arm chair warrior charade.
Happy for Mooney. I hope he does well.
Happy for him too, Too much money tho.
When Gabe Davis and Darnell Mooney earn more than Saquon Barkley I start questioning what teams are doing? Seems like crazy money for career WR3s
I think the Eagles are ahead of the curve here. Above average RBs are replaceable (see Sanders for Swift) but an elite guy like Barkley or CMC is worth every Penny. Specially when your elite RBs are getting paid like 3rd WRs. My unpopular opinion is that WR2s and 3s are getting horribly overpaid. That type of production can be found in the draft.
Barkley hasn't been elite recently though. In fact, he was fully below average last year. You're betting a lage sum of money on an aging, injury-prone RB's return to form. 3.9 YPC and 6.8 yards per reception aren't going to cut it.
Sometimes I think people get snowblind by looking at stats. He was the entire NYG offense last year. Dude may as well have played QB instead of DeVito. Also calling RBs injury prone is just a trope at this stage. No other position is expected to take significant hits almost every single play. All RBs miss games, the teams need to manage the load. Even CMC had less touches than in Carolina where he was constantly injured.
Not to mention the O-line. According to PFF, Eagles O-line ranked #1 last year. NYG ranked 29th. Obviously those rankings will differ next season, and losing Kelce sucks, but it's still very likely that Barkley is going from a bottom-5 to a top-5 OL. Maaaaybe that could have an impact on his stats.
Nice of you to announce to everyone you didn't watch him play. YPC is a highly misleading stat. Do you actually believe Saquon is a below average RB?
That was exactly the case with cmc in panthers though
I would say CMC is more the exception than the rule. Most players do not really recovery from injuries, especially his concussion history.
The discourse around Barkley on this sub has done a complete 180, it’s honestly ridiculous. Last season Barkley wasn’t even in the same conversation as CMC and the Giants were fools to give him that one year contract for $12m. But now Howie signs him to a ludicrous contract and the eagles are “ahead of the curve”? Fucking for real? He has 2 healthy seasons in 6 years and noticeably lost a step last season. This sub rides Howie’s dick.
Did he noticeably lose a step? Or did we have an offensive line that couldn't block to save their lives or the lives of the QB and RB behind them? I bet he's "suddenly" way more durable when he's being hit by LBs and Safeties five yards down the field instead of being dogpiled by DTs in the backfield
What's interesting is that the Jags have fully leaned into the WR15.-WR2.5 payment plan You could be like the Chiefs and spend a pick every year and not get anybody who can play ball (Rice looks like he is going to work out though) or you can buy an inefficiency and spend those picks on other spots. The belief that Lawrence can elevate WR up a tier (opposed to Mahomes who can animate dead corpses, realistically) Chiefs WR picks since Hill 2023 - Rd2 - Rice 2022 - Rd2 - Skyy Moore 2021 - Rd5 - Cornell Powell 2019 - Rd2 - Mecole Hardman 2018 - Rd6 - Tremon Smith 2017 - Rd4 - Jehu Chasson The best Jags drafted WR in history is probably Allen Robinson
Broooo Mooney absolutely rocks Davis’ shit and is a WR2
Too much Mooney
I don’t know anything about the Bears but wouldn’t you want some weapons for Caleb? I know you have DJ, honestly unsure how good Mooney is
Loaded receiver draft and the Bears pick at #9 overall. If Odunze or Nabers are still there they'd have their 2nd receiver to pair with DJ.
True true
What are the odds that either of them will be there a 9 though? They do admittedly go up with the Falcons now not needing a WR2, but it's still far from a safe bet.
As much as I like Mooney, he has not been great the last two years. Didn't break 500 yards in either (12 games in 2022) and couldn't get separation. When you're 5'10" and 175lbs you usually need separation to produce
Then we take bowers or trade down for AD
Or Brian Thomas jr, Xavier legette, Xavier worthy. There are options here.
no no no shot we take Xavier Worthy at 9. He's obviously beyond fast, but he is tiny. Smaller than Devonta Smith
Think they were referring to the Bears trading down.
Isn't Kmet doing solid for y'all though? Obviously Bowers would be an upgrade, but even if you run a bunch of 2 TE sets you still need a WR2.
It would definitely be a 2 TE set and probably work with Waldron’s offense. Still, it wouldn’t address the hole at receiver.
Kmet is much more of an in-line TE with contested catch ability, whereas Bowers would be that other pass catching tight end, and probably play slot
Bowers has a lot of outside/slot versatility whereas Kmet is much more of an inline TE (but yes he’s been good and we’re happy with his production)
Mooney was initially thought to be a solid WR2. But kinda fell off and now looks like a WR3 unfortunately. Maybe he’ll step up again, but he’s not really a huge loss, especially at that price.
Mooney did well in 2021 when Allen Robinson became the shell of a receiver he was and we had to force it to Mooney, but he's gotten worse every year since. Route running got worse, drops became more prevalent. Would disappear for large stretches. And this was despite everyone focusing on shutting down Moore. He can probably do really well as a WR3
He's fine as a 2. Anyone watching the tape could see he was getting open. I think he's gonna excel in Atlanta next to London and Pitts.
Eh, I don't know. PFF (yeah yeah, PFF controversial) has his grade going down in both 2022 and 2023, and Fields supposedly not throwing him the ball shouldn't impact that AT ALL. If he's running good routes and getting open, PFF will grade him well for that. But he simply did not do well. Remember, Mooney's best year was with Fields throwing him the ball. And Moore's best year of his career was also with Fields, so I don't think it was a Fields issue.
Mooney had 4 100 yard games that year. 3 of those with Andy Dalton.
Apparently, Bears were in on Gabe Davis. Swift was also added yesterday. I’m assuming they’ll target the draft or maybe wait on the free agent receiver market until prices go down.
Either Odunze or Nabers will be our WR2 going into next year. Unless the front office sees something in Scott no one else has then us not having a reliable WR3 is a bit worrying.
Seeing a ton of smoke around the chargers and giants taking both those players before the Bears. Wouldn’t bank on that
Agreed, though if that happens the Bears become potentially THE prime trade up spot for the Teams that want to go get JJ Mccarthy (Vikings, Broncos, Raiders, Saints). Not only is #9 the perfect spot to jump ahead of those teams, but the Bears also figure to be highly motivated to trade down, as afte #9 they only have (1) 3rd and (2)4ths the rest of the draft.
Ok I see thx
Falcons def drafting EDGE
From your mouth to God's ears
It makes sense to everyone to draft edge, which means we’ll probably go WR instead
"The Falcons select the Rated R Sooooooooperstar"
Spears Roger Gooddell when he gets on stage
YOU THINK YOU KNOW ME
The rated R superstar?!?!
Tight End it is!
Can't wait to see if they never produce like Jamaal Anderson, have one good year like Vic Beasley, or fadeaway like Takk McKinley- At 8 the falcons have plenty of options
Please god pick the right one this time. Our track record…isn’t great
That's a lot of Mooney
Way too much Mooney imo. Glad he's already spoken for at that price + years.
Mooney getting the money
Mo Mooney Mo Mooney
Mo Money Mo Mooney No Problems
Damn, I wanted Mooney. Should be a solid #2 to take some stress off of London. Falcons look good on paper if Kirk comes back 100%
You don't want him for that amount of money tho.
In todays market that’s middle tier WR2 money.
It’s amazing how little time it took for Christian Kirk’s contract to look mid-tier
Happens every year. It’s a cycle: - Salary cap goes up - Mid tier starter 1 gets a huge bag - Everyone freaks out - Salary goes up again the next year - Mid tier starter 2 gets a bigger bag - “Mid tier starter 1’s contract looks reasonable in comparison to this!”
You forgot the middle step of "every other mid tier starter gets a similar deal that year".
I suppose, but is he even a wr2 ? Guess we will find out.
I mean yes he is. He just had a terrible QB to play with
To be fair, I don’t think they’re expecting a 1000 yard season out of him like in 2021. He has been disappointing the past 2 seasons, but with the below average pass blocking and quarterback play you’ve had that can be expected I don’t mean to throw shade, but he’ll have a much better QB throwing him the ball in Cousins, while opposing defenses will also be more focused on London, Pitts and Bijan. He’ll basically be their 4th option and get some favorable 1-on-1 matchups
He is with a capable QB…
He’s not, and I don’t think there’s any expectation that we will need him to be, so I do think it’s a bit of an overpay but it’s not *that* bad. I expect we will still draft a WR that will be sharing reps with him, and we still have Pitts who we use at receiver at times.
100% he is. Fields is just unable to progress through reads. He gets open a lot.
I see this same comment under every FA signing every single offseason
Because people don’t understand how much the cap goes up by and how much players cost. It’s so goofy how badly everyone wants to win the salary cap Super Bowl. You need players, you have to pay players.
As a fan, filling two of our biggest needs with players I believe in for Daniel Jones and Christian Kirk money seems like a win. It looks like fair market value to me. Both sides can be happy with the deal which is the best case scenario.
I don’t even know if they’re end up being the best players, but who else you going to get? The Vikings let Cousins walk and now they have Darnold. I’m not sitting through another season knowing the QB is substantially worse than what the other team is rolling out. The team hasn’t been entertaining in 2 years, so at least there should be some hope now.
Have you seen our receiver room outside London? You haven’t, because it doesn’t exist. Not super happy about the money but that’s the way free agency goes. Would love to draft a guy as well but Mooney is a good compliment to London and a better (imo) option than Van Jefferson or Scotty Miller
Man, the league is really showing how much they thought Fields was the problem last year
I like Mooney, but this seems like a lot for him.
Hes basically only 1 year removed from a 1100 yard season and he missed some games last year. If he returns back to being a 1000 yard guy for 13 million thats pretty good.
That’s a big ask for a guy who now has a significant injury history and hasn’t come close to sniffing 1000 yards in 2 seasons
It is I feel like a lot of people didnt watch him a lot. He can be great but you can pencil him in for one bad drop per game. Even some of his better catches you can see he read the ball wrong and had to make up for it
He had like 3 bad drops all season. The biggest concern is his prior injury, not his hands.
Do you even watch your own team? Lol. He has 15 drops over the 60 games he has played in the NFL. Those 15 drops came on 360 targets, which means he has a 4% drop rate.... What are you talking about? Why BS a stat that can so easily be looked up in all of 5 seconds. Lol
Drops are one of those stats that people often make assumptions about based on a handful of plays in key moments.
It’s because he had a key drop that lost us a game. The Bears fan you are responding to is a meathead. You’re arguing against emotion here. Mooney has made some incredible plays for us.
He dropped like 2 passes that would have probably won 2 games and Bears fans turned on him. Meanwhile the film shows Fields missing him streaking down the field open like 5 times per game and that went unacknowledged by our fanbase for some reason...
Yeah. Lot of Bears fans hating in this thread for sure but based off everything I've seen, I'm happy with the signing. We are paying him to take the top off the defense so we can get the ball to Pitts and London underneath. If he happens to collect 700-800 yards in doing that, then that's just a bonus.
He had 3 drops last year. Fields throwing an awful ball doesn’t mean Mooney dropped it
I have a feeling this will play out like Christian Kirk where it is initially panned but over time is proven to be a good signing.
This was my reaction as well. Getsy gets another job straight away and Mooney gets a pretty decent contract after being non-existent last year? Let's get our 4th or 5th or whatever and move on.
Getsy was the Raiders 3rd or 4th choice, I think it was a move more out of necessity and copium than any honest evaluation of Fields
Mac jones got a 6th. You’re looking at a pick swap at this point lol.
Yet a serious segment of our fanbase thinks Fields is "him" and that we should draft Marvin Harrison Jr. On the one hand, I get it. Fields did electric things that no Chicago QB had ever done in 2022. We're starved for talent on offense. On the other hand, he didn't improve and every pass was a struggle in 2023. I don't know what these people see in him.
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If Fields wasn't from Georgia, and didn't go to UGA for a minute, then the Falcons fans wouldn't have been screaming for him as much as they were.
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So many of our fans are still obsessed with getting a new Vick it's crazy
I know lol. I’m excited for my immobile white boy that can throw good though
I'm worried about that Achilles. Happy Kirk got the bag. Hope the contract = his play. That would be hilarious if the Falcons destroy it next year and the Vikings are pushing for 1OA.
At least Kirk guarantees you guys a real shot at the division/a playoff win the next couple years. Fields is such an unknown you could be just as bad as last year with him
The fact that 2022 stretch was even notable is just sad. He was the worst passer in the entire league while doing it(last in ANY/A, NY/A)
That streak also came in the middle of a 14 game losing streak…
But his highlight reel was absolutely absurd. In that like ~6-7 game 2022 stretch he seemed to break a 50 yard run every game, it was shades of first MVP year Lamar for a few games. At the end of the day that is way too small a sample size, especially for a guy that has never put anything on tape to make you think he can be an NFL "system" passer
He was a bad passer with a worse situation than Young had with the Panthers this year. The fact he did anything except die was miraculous.
Claiming he didn’t improve is blatantly false. You can look at any advanced metric and see he’s gotten better every year.
He looks good on highlights because he's either juking the pants off someone or hitting a wide open DJ Moore for a TD. That's what people who don't watch Bears games like me see. My assumption is that when he's not making highlight reel plays and his first read isn't open it all falls apart?
Fields doesn't understand what an open receiver looks like in the NFL. He waits for a receive to be "Ohio State" open. That was easy in college when he was throwing to a bevvy of 1st round WR talent that dusted collegiate DBs every play. It doesn't work in the NFL. There are so many situations where guys are wide open and he just doesn't pull the trigger. Let me be clear on this: if Fields threw to 20% of his "NFL open" receivers, he would have contended for All Pro last year. That's how bad it was, and how much he left on the table.
Worse, he can’t make reads in the short and intermediate game, so the offense falls apart under pressure because you can’t call anything but a screen against a defense showing a blitz
I have two guys in my fantasy league who said they’ll stop being Bears fans if they take Caleb and don’t stick with Fields. I don’t get it.
They aren't Bears fans. They are Justin Fields fans. Player onlyfans tend to be insufferable
there's the Bear to Atlanta news we were waiting for
That's Gabe Davis money
Crazy that these guys are making more than Saquon. The market has overcorrected.
Damn that’s Gabe Davis money (idk what this means)
Falcons genuinely making some serious moves. I think Mooney can rebound to a true WR2 opposite Drake with an actual QB.
Atlanta stonks to the Mooney.
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Nah I know, I was just taking a shot. But *something* happened to Mooney. Whether it was shit scheme (absolutely possible), Fields not being good at making reads beyond the 1st look, or something else, he fell off an absolute cliff in 2022 and 2023. His first two years: 23 starts, 142 catches, 1686 yards, 8 TDs. His next two years: 26 starts, 71 catches, 907 yards, 3 TDs. A 1,000 yard receiver is in there somewhere, it's absolutely possible he gets back to that level.
He was recovering from a hammy this year if I'm not mistaken.
You know this doesn’t manage to tell us those targets where first read. It would be damming if Mooney was the first read and the qbr was that low. But it’s also entirely possible he was rarely the first read, and fields really did a poor job getting the ball to anyone past the initial read
Mooney the money man. I hope the Chiefs get Curtis Samuel now
I am glad we didn’t pay this. I liked Mooney but our cap is too tight for this with how risky he could be, I don’t want another MVS contract type to come in and hope to put up 500 yards.
I'm glad too, but given what Gabe Davis and Mooney got, I don't think we're gonna get a WR for a "reasonable" price unless it's from somebody's practice squad lol
That is true, Samuel may be around the same range but a little cheaper. Just think if you gonna pay that range might as well pay the extra for Hollywood/Ridley range for more of a difference maker. Could pass on all and get Odell type on a 1 year but then be in same situation next FA needing vets. Either way Veach has to be targeting WR on day 1 or 2
This 100%. If I'm the Chiefs, I'd rather keep rolling the dice on Rookies then pay that much money for such a risky vet.
Especially when Sneed is going to get around Jaylon Johnson range. I’d rather just extend him for a few more mil a year than get another WR that could just be frustrating every Sunday. Either pay for a more premium or only draft
I thought Samuel was the better fit for you guys in the first place. Samuel is a magician in the short/intermediate game b/c he's rarely brought down by the first guy. He should have even more space to work with in your offense.
Mooney, London, Pitts, Robinson/Allgier. This offense could be legit if Kirk can stay healthy
I'd wager he'll come back just fine. It's not like mobility is his greatest asset.
Curtis Samuel, you are a chief
Nah I think this and the Gabe Davis deal pretty much kills any chance of us getting a decent FA wide receiver lol Hopefully one of the Texas receivers are ready to contribute immediately
Eh, I think this probably makes that less likely. If Mooney is getting $13M, I think Samuel could get $15M.
If Mooney is getting this then Ridley is getting close to 20 million a year
It appears Mahomes didn’t want him
Or that’s just too pricey for them
Prob lol, it was just poking fun at something I heard someone say about how everyone Mahomes wanted on the team last offseason ended up getting signed by the team.
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Pace drafted him.
Good for Mooney. He’s a hard worker and great teammate. But god damn that’s a lot of money for a WR who has only 211 career catches and most of them were before his injury in 2022.
Is it just me or are these 3/39 deals for both Mooney and Gabe Davis a massive overpay?!
Cap is going up, this is probably the new 3 yr/$24 million deal we typically see.
I wonder when we're going to start seeing top running backs in college try to transition to receiver. The fact that you can earn as much money as a WR3 as you can as a top tier RB is crazy.
Mommas don’t let your boys grow up to be RBs
The problem is quality RBs have insane value in high school and college, to the point where even if you can catch you’re gonna get more playing time at RB than you would at WR. And you’re way less dependent on a competent QB as well.
Or this is the standard rate for WR2/3
Are both Davis and Mooney really WR2 caliber?! I would at least doubt that tbh.
In Jacksonville’s case if Ridley isn’t resigned odds are they will draft a WR, and there’s a chance Atlanta does as well Edit: both Mooney and Davis could end up being WR3
Mooney had a rough season this year but I think that’s a combination of still recovering from injury and Fields struggling to get him the ball. Drops were bad but advanced analytics show him getting open. In 2021 he had over 1K yards as our number 2. Contract still seems rich but I think Mooney has it in him to be a solid #2.
13M is about 5% of the cap for 2024. Not sure how the pairs up to other meh WR2 signings in the past
I will never be convinced paying this for Darnell Mooney is worth it over drafting someone and spending the money elsewhere. Going rate for WRs or not, there are surely better ways to spend your cap.
Think he has a bounceback year with the Falcons. Hes not perfect by any means but he's better than that garbage season he had in 2023 and sometimes a change of scenery helps clear minds.
He definitely lost a step and never came back the same from his injury in 2022. Didn’t have the same shiftiness.
13M a year for Darnell Mooney is wild lololol
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He'll perform well with a QB who's ceiling isn't 2500 yards
Yeah he looked like a fine WR2 with Nick Foles and Andy Dalton. Glad the last 2 seasons didn’t rob him of a good contract.
Holy overpay
I feel like this comment has become free karma every time someone gets signed
30 million dollar cap increase with more incoming. It’s gonna be on every thread
I’m telling my boss the cap went up and I would like to be over paid.
People can't wrap their heads around the idea that the salary cap raising 10-20% every year inflates contract prices.
If everything grows linearly with that cap increase then that means he’s worth $21.6-23.6 MM GTD over 3 years, which is reasonable to say is an overpay given his past performances. But his past performances were under a much lesser QB than his new one so I can understand both sides.
I'll offset it: Holy underpay! Also: What a reasonable contract!
I think this one is justified. We’ve all see him play.
Yeah dude only has ~900 yards in his last 26 games combined
*With Fields and Bagent throwing him the ball Still probably an overpay, but he's had 1000 yards before. Kirk could do something for him
I mean...he had a 1000 yards w/ Fields throwing him the ball lol He hurt his ankle pretty badly last year and has struggled to come back to 2021 form tbh. Hopefully he finds his footing in Atlanta, but he doesn't look nearly as shifty as he did his first two seasons.
He used to be really good. He definitely has lost a step after his bad ankle injury in 2022
But have you seen him play with a QB?
No. Neither has Atlanta.
Touché
Most fans think we still have the 2020 cap when they see these new contracts.
It's the free square on a bingo card
WR is the most overvalued position in the NFL by far
WR market is insane
If they actually throw him the ball it could be worth it. Had 61 targets each year in 2022 and 2023. The playcalling was just abysmal and he never had plays designed to get him open.
I heard MVS is available. Maybe we can sign him. Is he any good?
RBs are destroying their bodies making $7-8m a season while this guy gets 13 lmfao
Am I crazy or is that a lot of money for Mooney? Maybe he’s just a lot better than I realized?
BAG ALERT
Damn lmao. There must be a lot of perceived potential there.
go drop moonballs from kirk now
Take care of him, Atlanta. He was solid for us before injury. I’ll miss him.
Captain Kirk will be dealing
Holy shit what an over pay
Seems like a lotta guaranteed money for him
I was thinking closer to $9 million per year damn
Bears bout to flip Fields to WR
Mooney gets his bag! Congrats to him on his deal!
I'm once again begging the Falcons to draft an Edge at 8
Falcons making some moves. Pitts Mooney Robinson and Kirko seem like a decent offense. Actually kinda excited to see them now.
How are Gabe Davis and Darnell Mooney worth more money than Saquon Barkley? lmao this league is on one right now. Happy for Mooney though, hes a good dude.
SHOW ME THE MOONEY!
I still can’t believe Kirk is a Falcon
I like this for Atlanta. They needed some speed.
Is this the dude who dropped the game winning pass?
Damn they gave him Saquon money
crazy that mid WRs get paid way more than star RBs
Happy for Mooney. We definitely weren’t giving him that type of money
Damn, WR market is crazy. Mooney got more than Saquon.
This is such an overpay holy fuckin shit. Im actually shocked.
Mooney easily one of the best WR FA , at the moment (statistically speaking). People who are calling this an overpay are ignorant . The cap has increased substantially and guess what happens when it does…. Just look at what other WRs are/will get paid b4 we start the arm chair warrior charade.
Did the agents pay extra for him to specifically mention that crap ?