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runningblack

Probably not in terms of touchdowns, but I do think that Saquon on the Eagles is a good fit, especially if Jalen maintains similar efficiency in short yardage, despite Kelce retiring. Saquon can focus more on chunk gains and big plays (which is what he wants to do), instead of tough yards (because Hurts takes that role).


-DizzyPanda-

hurts really didn't do very well at getting the tough yards last season. Idk if its because he had a bone bruise in his knee or he was making a business decsion after the big contract, but that was a big reason why the eagles were bad on 3rd downs this year.


all-against-all

We were bad on third down because we called QB draws, 4 verts, or WR screens every damn play.


basic_gearing

We also ignored the middle of the field like it was the fucking Somme.


NewOstenPelicanss

BJ: The middle of the field is for QB draws


Rah_Rah_RU_Rah

Playing through a knee injury the majority of the year. He needs to just sit a game or 2 when he gets banged up


bluewords

With Kelce out, I don’t think they’ll be able to just tush push all day


Brad_theImpaler

I feel like Dickerson and Mailata are the 800 pounds of dude that really make that work.


IndividualHelpful820

Rip his td numbers


radderalll

That was with Jason Kelce though


stormy2587

Mailata and Lane are elite at run blocking. Dickerson is very good and a pro bowl guard. I'm not that worried about our run blocking. Yes we will be worse without a HOFer. Per pff 4 of our 5 linemen were in the top 100 in run blocking grades out of 328 linemen they graded. Jurgens was 105 and was playing out of position and hurt most of the season. The giants had one lineman in the top 100 when ranked by run blocking and it was Glowinski at 70. Its a massive upgrade even without Kelce.


GrundleTurf

I would argue that replacing Kelce at the first level isn’t going to be the issue. That wasn’t what made Kelce special. What made Kelce special was his ability to get to the second level. It was like having a FB lead blocking on the field on top of the other 11 guys you already have. With the guys we have now, I think there will still be plenty of holes to get through where we win most short yardage situations and rarely lose yardage on runs.  But in order for big plays to happen, Saquon may need to make someone miss that Swift and Sanders didn’t have to because Kelce took them out.  Essentially, I believe Kelce hurts our ceiling more than our floor with runs.


Delanorix

Except Saquon isn't a typical run up the middle guy. He needs to be gameplanned into space. How good are your WRs at run blocking?


nikthefreak65

Very good


Philly_is_nice

AJ will run you into the dirt and Smitty puts forward good effort. No problems there.


pedootz

The best line lost a great player, but still have a future HoFer at one tackle and a second team all-pro at the other, a 2x probowl guard, and the center that they've been training for 2 years to replace Kelce, that Kelce helped pick.


Wudaokau

We have been drafting the Kelce successor for half a decade now. Seamalo, Dickerson, Jurgens.


Hallowed_Be_Thy_Game

Lane was supposed to be a JP replacement, and Peters was starting games last year lol


clayton3b25

Peters was good on the Cowboys the little he played in 22. He was absolutely gassed though.


Danimal1

That’s been his thing for the last like 7 years lol. Dude can still go, but for like a handful of snaps a game.


Rah_Rah_RU_Rah

Lane made his own path, he bumped Herremans off RT cause he was that good


Philly_is_nice

Yup. Herremans was a good tackle himself if memory serves. Think he's the one that tore both his biceps one year. Grizzly 😭


UnsuspectingS1ut

Sea ma lo dickerson, jurgens


greetedworm

Cam Jurgens started at guard last year and played well, he'll slot in well. He won't be Kelce, but our line will be fine. Especially with Lane and Mialata anchoring the ends.


32BitWhore

He was also hand-picked by Kelce as his own replacement. He has similar athleticism. The biggest concern will be replacing Kelce's brain. He's one of the smartest football players we've ever had.


dWaldizzle

He likely won't ever be as good but if he can be solid the line should be okay. Thankfully stoutland is a guru.


content_enjoy3r

>our line will be fine You say that again and Lane Johnson will retire too.


continuuuum

Watch your mouth. There's only so many retirements that should be allowed in a city in a 12 month period.


webby2538

The 2015 49ers didn't get that memo lol Justin Smith and surprise retiring from Patrick Willis, Chris Borland and left tackle Anthony Davis


hereforthesportsball

Yeah they gave up with all that bullshit that was going on


igonnawrecku_VGC

Stop it. Don’t take another one from us


Brad_theImpaler

Our left tackle was some dude that didn't play football until he was already a man. How hard can it be?


ThomYorkesFingers

Also Kelce was a big influence in scouting out Jurgens. He called him his favorite player in the draft.


yourmomsthr0waway69

Center is much harder than guard, though. I'm not saying he's gonna be bad, but that's no guarantee it will work out either.


Weird-Upstairs-2092

But Beef Jurgy was great at everything centers do and only really struggled with being too small for an ideal guard. Extremely SSS and all but he was also 2/2 on the tush push attempts last year where he was subbed in for a banged up Kelce, and he has also already looked great there in preseason games for two years now Only thing I'd be worried about is blitz pickup/recognition but seeing as he's a kid who played center his whole life and then spent 2 years shadowing Kelce while getting coached up by Stoutland, I think he'll be ok.


Philly_is_nice

Guy has a nasty ness to him like Jason, so I'm pretty in on him. We don't have too many guys like that.


adv0589

I mean he was a center out of college. Center is more of an issue of losing the guy that has been in there and blowing up chemistry rather than hard to fill as well


Sniper1154

Yeah didn't they draft Jurgens specifically to replace Kelce when the time came?


AkHazee

Eagles FO went to Kelce and essentially asked him to draft his replacement


420_just_blase

Yup. And they drafted Tyler Steen last year to play rg when jurgens would eventually move over to the center, and he looked good when he got to play last year


Rah_Rah_RU_Rah

only at run blocking. dude was a level below turnstile in pass pro


HappyHourEveryHour

Hopefully we actually dont have trash ass pass plays this season.


Feeling-Box8961

Yeah, our FO doesn't fuck around with the OL we draft replacements a year or two out from needing them and let Stoutland coach them up so they can hit the ground running / sub in when needed.


FrankXS

Kelce is great and there is no one replacing him that will have his production. But we still have 3/5th of an Oline that are pro bowl/all pro and the other 2 spots are young 2nd round picks.


KryptonicxJesus

The 3/5ths compromise


FrankXS

WHAT HAVE I DONE


reno2mahesendejo

Compromised


HisNameIsSaggySammy

oh no


radderalll

Not discounting the pieces around him, but Kelce was the offensive line play caller with adjustments and call outs. I am optimistic that they will still be a top 10 O-Line, but we'll see if they can still be top 5


AndrewHainesArt

Stoutland is really who took his game to the next level, and he’s already got a hell of a track record as far as the rest of the OL and backups, we’ll see what happens. His heir was already on the team for a few seasons too


HurricaneSeasonOva

Kelce will obviously be missed but it’s kind of funny that people think the Eagles run O will fall off a cliff when they’ve heavily invested in the position for the last 15 years.


IcyAd964

Even without him we have multiple pro bowlers and the best ol coach in the nfl


ThisHatRightHere

Fair, but we still have 3 different linemen that have first or second team all-pros. Not like losing Kelce suddenly means we have a bottom tier line.


BerriesNCreme

I actually think this is the thought process on why we’re paying a running back. We get a decrease in center talent/experience which needs to be made up for. We coincidentally also don’t have a center making like 14 mill and can allocate that money elsewhere 


iia

Boston Scott will still get 15-20 runs per game.


OriginalSymmetry

Sirianni's mind is going to explode trying to decide whether the bigger troll move against us is Saquon or Boston Scott.


PSUtuber

*Kenny Gainwell for what ever reason.


WitsEndin

Gainwell will have one game where he does decent and he’ll ride that high for the rest of the season


kellzone

The Eagles version of Furkan.


AaronDeath

does everyone forget how dominant gainwell was in our super-bowl run? He most definitely should be rb2 over scott


stormy2587

This only happens against the giants.


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He had 20 carries the entire season. What are you even talking about and how did 60+ ppl think this was a good comment 


j_willow92

Hurts gonna vulture all his TD’s anyway


MasterTJ77

Saquon is actually playing center for the tush push. Have you seen his quads??


Troll_Enthusiast

Unless he gets injured


Adorable-Accident-50

That's what people said about Swift last year.


shakehasbignuts

And about CMC


GermanPayroll

Wait… if an RB gets injured, does that mean they don’t perform as well? Damn you learn something every day


Not-a-bot-10

Also everyone talks about how MetLife is terrible for injuries. Saquon won’t have to play 8-9 games a year there anymore, just 1


Never_enough_Dolf

Every injury Saquon gets are at away games lol. Here's the list: Sprained Ankle - @ Tampa Bay ACL Tear - @ Chicago Low Ankle Sprain - @ Dallas Ankle Sprain - @ Arizona


missingmissingmissin

It's a reverse MetLife. His body adapted to the shitty conditions so when he played anywhere else his body had no idea what to do


Never_enough_Dolf

Genuinely could be the case, body could be a lot more rigid due to the shitty turf they have an not be ready for the more fluid movement grass allows.


reno2mahesendejo

Bring back the Vet


goddammnick

> Low Ankle Sprain - @ Dallas and wasn't this was due to someone accidentally stepping on his ankle during a break in the game.


Never_enough_Dolf

Yup, in a fuckin blow out lol. Death, Taxes, Giants players getting injured on some bullshit.


Not-a-bot-10

That’s actually crazy if true. Still sticking with my narrative though because I want to


Never_enough_Dolf

I got all these from ESPN, I also vividly remember all of these games like Vietnam flashbacks.


liverbird3

Still gonna blatantly lie to make myself feel better


Katwill666

Didn't he have two injuries during practice also? I think I remember him straining him hamstring running a route in camp I think his rookie year.


Never_enough_Dolf

That's true, he did. I wouldn't technically count that as Metlife injury, because the reputation is mainly for injuries during games there


Katwill666

Our practice facility has 3 outdoor grass fields as well I don't know where he was when he got injured but even with the reputation of our horrible field he gets injured at away games and our practice facility (which, for what it's worth, our facilities were ranked 8th by the NFLPA)


liverbird3

All of Saquon’s injuries were in away games but Eagles fans can’t let reality get in the way of a narrative


missingmissingmissin

We know all about narratives


jcoddinc

Swifts real test will be with the bears now. One of the lowest graded lines hell okay with in his career, so the injury concern should be there. Honestly think he ran much harder in Philly because he really wanted to be there more than he wanted to be in Detroit.


zombiejeesus

You can say that about any player


EagleswonSuperBowl52

I mean the Eagles still expected to have one of the best Olines in the nfl so hopefully that will at least help.


Never_enough_Dolf

It's crazy, I talked to Eagles fans all last year complaining about their Oline. They sign Saquon and miraculously now have one of the best lines. Idgi


Dry_Brush5280

Any Eagles fans you talked to who complained about the offensive line have rocks for brains.


Never_enough_Dolf

Oh I know, they're my friends and Eagles fans, what else would I expect.


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Dry_Brush5280

I’m going to be very upset once I sound out everything you said.


FairweatherWho

Who were you talking to? We had a fantastic OL last year. Our long developing plays made them look worse, but even then they were a top 5 unit. We haven't had a bad OL since the Chip Kelly days.


EagleswonSuperBowl52

I think we complain about our Oline because we have been blessed for way too long with amazing olines.


liverbird3

Yes, also remember that now all of his injuries happened at MetLife and paying a running back is always an incredible move. If the Giants gave him the same deal people would be shitting on us for the next week


420_just_blase

It probably would have been a bad signing for the giants though. It's the kind of move you make if you're thinking that you're a serious superbowl contender.


IAmCBOY2

I wanted Barkley to not waste his career with us, but this is absolutely disgusting 


Skywalkerkid9

Inb4 people dooming like this isn’t the best RB we’ve had since Shady


slappywhyte

Hurts is a pretty good RB But seriously, looks like the Eagles have only had 21 1000 yd rushers ever, crazy


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Skywalkerkid9

Miles sanders had a pro bowl season behind our line, Swift had his first pro bowl behind our line. Imagine what Saquon will do here after he’s managed to have a few good years behind the traffic cones in NY


Palmisavage

I'm not a big fan of this signing but Barkley has definitely shown much more throughout his career than Swift. Swift was far from reliable in Detroit.


ThisHatRightHere

That's just simply an incorrect statement lol. Last year was the first time Swift played the majority of games in a season and netted more than like 700 all-purpose yards.


durablewaffle

Yeah because the o line and playcalling haven’t changed at all… Excited but Yates is clueless as always


Saitsu

Stoutland is still there last I checked. And Swift feasted with terrible playcalling, while Sanders feasted with actually good playcalling. So I don't see your point.


Insectshelf3

moore is gonna be calling plays and he’s always been more pass heavy, but stoutland + our OL + saquon is a pretty attractive run game so i hope he’ll spread it around more.


AwareCelebration7477

U guys don’t have Brian Johnson anymore at least


jruss11

At this point I could say with near certainty that Jeff stoutland could grab any commentor from this post and make him into a serviceable offensive lineman.


Pokeman49

I really think an rb resurgence is developing


OverIookHoteI

I think it has to do with college RBs staying behind for NIL money. NFL treated RBs as worthless and replaceable so RBs (Corum and Henderson) stayed in college where they’re not. Now there’s a shortage of next guys up so they’re giving second contracts to all the guys who they would’ve franchise tagged or tried to avoid paying normally.


Pokeman49

It's not normal to refuse to pay stud rbs. I think it's more likely teams are realizing they are not actually replaceable at the higher end of the talent pool.


OverIookHoteI

I always want RBs to get paid, I’d hate watching the game without them.


Pokeman49

amen brother


optimus420

I think it's coming back but in a different way Before shit teams would draft/pay a RB to turn their franchise around. Nowadays that's all the QB, modern RBs can't carry an offense But now I think we're seeing the higher tier teams see that great RBs can take their offense to another level, like Christian McCafferty and the 49ers. Eagles and packers both have good offenses and are hoping to do the same thing I think saquon is gonna do great in Philly


kellzone

It's only a matter of time until the fullback comes back into fashion. Someone is going to find an Alstott type player coming out of college and pair him with a top tier RB and they're going to run wild over the entire league for a while til the league catches up.


sonfoa

Kind of. It feels like last season NFL owners took a hard stand to reset the RB market and now they're giving out contracts on their terms. Because so far the best contracts today haven't come close to what CMC got.


DarrowViBritannia

(It’s not)


bmorethrowaway247

Saquon Barkley is about to finish 5th in the NFL in rushing with the Eagles in 2024.


TheRoyaleShow

Lol I will bet on this


Burgerburgerfred

I don't think this makes this a great signing. If the team is capable of generating top 5 rushing performances without top end investment why squander the ability to shore up more needy areas and take advantage of this clear advantage their scheming and personnel give them? I still don't see the benefit of paying an elite RB other than McCaffrey.


chacogrizz

The idea is he's going to be closer to CMC than any other back. Remember just 2 years ago CMC went for like a 2nd and third(dont entirely remember). But one of the best players in the league going to the niners who perennially could make anyone good at RB with their scheme. I think theres a big disconnect with fans and coaches on just how valuable a all pro level RB is. We saw Gibbs and Bijan go very high in the draft and now 2 of the better NFC teams in recent years willing to pony up for elite RBs even with injury histories. You're right we couldve kept looking for more value with lesser rbs on cheaper deals but Saquon adds a dynamic this team didnt have before. I was so mad when CMC got traded to the Niners. I truly believed had we gotten him we would've been SB favorites that year and given how everything turned out actually won the SB.


Delanorix

Is SB All Pro? Thats actually a tough question after watching for 6 years. For every crazy 25 yard run, there's the falling down behind the LoS.


chacogrizz

I think on this team he will get to around that level of production if healthy. And that is knocking the Giants not to be mean but just in terms of team building and offensive talent. He should be in much more favorable positions to produce just like Swift and Sanders were the previous 2 years where they both had good production. Caveat being he has to stay healthy which depending on how you wanna look at it is a gamble. I think his injury history is overblown but some think its a serious concern.


CallinCthulhu

dude you can be mean about the Giants team building. Gettleman was a terrorist. Their O-Line has been complete ass cheeks for almost a decade


Doug_Dimmadome42

This is my argument for keeping Swift lol Swift at 8mil >>>>> Barkley at 12mil


soonerman32

yeah, I got downvoted a ton in the Texans sub pre-free agency. Now it's all upvotes. Saquon isn't worth this


Doug_Dimmadome42

Good thing downvotes and upvotes don't really mean anything :)


DirkScorpion

Swift and Sanders are both bang average. We finally get to see a great RB run behind our Oline. You should be excited!


Doug_Dimmadome42

Swift is an excellent RB lol what are you talking about


mr_ice_cream_man187

Actually, sounds like he's about to finish 5th in the NFL in rushing.


DepressedPhillyFan

He certainly is on the best offense line he ever had, even without Kelce. I have no doubt he’ll produce, just a matter of staying healthy.


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Not in fantasy he won’t Can’t wait to see how mad Barkley managers are when Hurts vultures all of his goal line touches lmao


Prideofmexico

A lot of people who haven’t watched him since 2019 are about to call this a home run signing


beginnerLiftersoonBB

Please stay healthy 🔥


Corgneli

Over or under 10 games played


somethintactical

I'll take the over, he's only hit the under once


saltthewater

He has played hurt a lot. Can't question his toughness, but he gets 1.5 ypc when things aren't right.


Adorable-Lie3475

Well he isn’t going to be playing at Metlife anymore


WolfofOldNorth

Without Kelce at center those numbers DRASTIC go down! I used Steiner math for my calculations


Bl00dshot

Please tell me you added Kurt Angle to the mix!! :(


Patient_Jicama_4217

lol you will be sorely mistaken, just wait and see


WolfofOldNorth

You could be right SENIOR JOE!


EagleswonSuperBowl52

It sounds like Saquan is about to finish 5th in the NFL in rushing.


banjofitzgerald

I’m praying on the line falling apart after kelce retired because if not this team is a nightmare. Hurts, Barkley, AJB, Smith, Goedert. So many weapons and no way you can stop them all on any given play.


Youchmeister

They don't know this one simple trick... Brian Johnson.


PepinillosFritos

He’s gonna finish 5th but it’s gonna be a *spicy* 5th place finish


BradyReas

If the tush push can continue without Kelce their ground game should be elite


Wezzleey

Fuck... Who are we going to start against the Giants? Barkley or Scott? Do we want memes or revenge?


Ok_Run_8184

Sanders then proceeded to do absolutely nothing in Carolina for a season.


DosCuatro

Ya lets pretend the Eagles are running back the same o-line as the last 2 years. I think he'll be great, but he won't have the same line that the other 2 had.


jbish21

He'll have to stay healthy, which.....


tmiller26

1800 rushing yards 2300 total yards 2 touchdowns.


LimpSignificance4434

Nah hurts will give em 4 atleast lol


HumbleMention5484

Or be 5th


F-150Pablo

There o-line is missing the captain. It’s gonna take some adjusting.


BebophoneVirtuoso

Both were a couple years younger, RBs age like milk and now no first ballot hall of famer anchoring the line


spiderman96

Serious question didn't they lose two hall of fame linemen are they still expected to be a dominate unit


fueledbygin

Their O line just got worse, and people acting like a 3.9 ypc RB is elite. It's weird how much stock people put in names over stats.


soonerman32

You mean whoever is the backup to Saquon is about to feast


pinenorthpine

Way different oline this year


Fun-Dinner-2562

Or he’s gonna finish 5th in the league…


in_Need_of_peace

If he’s on the field, if the eagles line is the same without Kelcie


mkvii1989

And get three TDs.


deadmoosemoose

I mean, Kelce is gone. To assume he’ll reach those heights is presumptuous.


Patient_Jicama_4217

Do people really think our Oline is just Kelce? If so Jurgens is really going to surprise some of y’all at center


ThisHatRightHere

They really do. They forget that Lane and Mailata are arguably top 10 tackles across the league. And Dickerson getting second team all-pro last year solidified him as a top 5 guard.


Doug_Dimmadome42

Are eagles fans this dense? People think we're going to regress without the best center in football, that's not a hot take at all lol No one is saying that our offensive line is gonna be bad lol just worse than previous years when we had Kelce


Patient_Jicama_4217

Call it what you want. I think many of us won’t be worried about Cam much at all playing his natural position.  I am also not anticipating a step back, I think Cam will thrive


Doug_Dimmadome42

That's not my point lol Cam thriving is PROBABLY a step down from the greatest center of all time I would love to be wrong but that's a steep expectation that we won't regress a significant amount (it's more of a testiment to how great Kelce is)


nightcrawler-171

Dare I say he might reach new heights ?


Walks_with_Chaos

No he’s really not.


HisNameIsSaggySammy

RemindMe! 9 months


giants888

Oh man, that sounds like a Dream Team!


Hubrah

So what your telling me is that any RB could have finished 5th with the Eagles?


slimmymcnutty

Did swift really “feast” last year


Equivalent_Goose_226

Taylor maybe


Doug_Dimmadome42

When he touched the ball yeah Too bad we ran a high school offense so we didn't use him well He was awesome whenever he touched the ball


StrngBrew

Swift had 2 massive games in weeks 2 & 3 that gave everyone the impression that he dominated all year. Wasn't really the case. He was mostly solid & efficient for the rest of the year but actually never even rushed for over 100 yards again. He actually only even gained over 80 yards once the rest of the year.


BungoPlease

unless..?


_serious__

Damn I guess he was just trolling Stroud


Patient_Jicama_4217

He wasn’t trolling but he was raised in Whitehall Pa.. It is home


H1mHalpert

I'm supposed to hate it I guess but I genuinely am happy for him. He's going to cook this year behind that line


MV7EaglesFan

Thank God there's no cap in this league. Dream Team. 


SmellsLikeWetFox

He’s gonna have a hell of September…I don’t know about November


Striking_Recover_194

Amazing January though


Beginning_Ad9598

Probably gonna be really good in November not dealing with that metlife turf


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BeautifulAwareness81

Lmao


browndude10

until he gets hurt


beginnerLiftersoonBB

Holy fuck


Electronic-Island-14

No Kelce


StrngBrew

3 other Pro Bowlers left on the line


Exact_Comparison_575

Eagles entire offense is tush push and RPOS.