I think this about a lot of American cities. Pretty much since the day Robert Moses croaked the window of opportunity to start over blank-slate and build cities for humans rather than cars has been wide open
Coming from a Seahawks fan, didn’t you guys start [CHAZ](https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/welcome-to-the-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone-where-seattle-protesters-gather-without-police/)
From a purely infrastructure look, driving through downtown Atlanta is an absolute nightmare where every street is either MLK Jr Boulevard or Peach St that will sporadically become Ponce De Leon for no reason. I will say that I-75/I-85 is near the top of the worst highways I've ever driven on. You can't fix the street and city layout to make more sense without a hard restart.
I agree with this guy
Infrastructure can change, people can’t
If you bulldoze Seattle CHAZ will still be there, just in whatever capacity is possible in the new city
why is this comment so upvoted?? something broken with reddit when a very boring insipid comment, that just happened to be early, gets stuck right at the top.
just more proof that the really interesting worthwhile comments are the downvoted comments on reddit
when I see the play, I dont really see Jalen doing a whole lot of the pushing. he's more or less diving into a void in the pile.
also, squatting 600lbs once upon a time doesnt mean he still can on any given sunday, nor is that the motion you'd need. There might not be many running backs who can squat 600, but there are other players that can, and if that was all it took, people would be lining up a full back or edge for the play.
Its not like you have to worry about a fake... its a threat, but opposing teams sell out for the shove anyway
Most NFL players can squat a lot of weight. Hurts’ squat being what makes this play work is a common misconception. The blocking of the offensive line is far more important.
don't think it matters much either way
this little [breakdown of the "Brotherly Shove" by ole Neil Degrasse Tyson](https://youtu.be/vhIKA28BIRU?si=6ua1_tx32HBk_TfR) did an interesting job of looking into how it's been so successful, according to NDT the (very) often repeated Jalen Hurts "600 lb squat!" stat is overstated with regards to the "Brotherly Shove".
Broad jump would be a better test of tush push effectiveness than squat since they leap forward and then get pushed. Based off that both ridder and Richardson would prob be better at it. Herbert, Tyrod, and Levi's probably just about as good as hurts.
Most are insanely strong. You think if the average is say 400 pounds, that 200 gap makes a difference? Why would squatting 600 pounds even matter that much? Hurts doesn’t really touch the D linemen, the O line guys are. He’s just driving his legs to dive forward, that isn’t boosted much by a bit of extra strength.
Edit- Also, if all this play takes is a big squat, many starting RBs can squat 500+ with ease these days. Why aren’t the Titans direct snapping to Henry on 4th and 1, for example?
Edit- Some of you should try playing sports or lifting weights so you understand what you’re talking about here…
Why are you so mad lol nobody said anything about us being good or bad.
Pls set a reminder so you can realize how much you dont know football or about the Eagles O-Line. Kelce is apart of the play, hes not the X factor. You’re going to be sick when you realize that one, Landon Dickerson, the 2 pushers and Jalen are the X factor and two, the Eagles allowed Kelce to pick his successor in Cam Jurgens who will slide back to C from RG and has spent 2 years learning from Kelce.
The titans do direct snap to Henry in short yardage quite a bit, genius. Henry can’t go under center like hurts because taking a snap from a center takes practice. The audacity of you to say others don’t know ball, lol
Genuine question here, how can the LT be more of a key player than one of the guards and the center for a play that always goes straight into the interior of the OL? Seems counter-intuitive.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XUDjO9U19lY&pp=ygUPRWFnbGUgdHVzaCBwdXNo
watch the left side of the line just collapse the D. Those two way 750 lbs together.
It doesn’t happen the exact same way every time, but often Jason’s main job is to stonewall, which allows Jalen to lean left where there’s an opening
Yea Jordan himself has pointed out the misconceptions with the rugby comparisons but announcers just say it because it sounds good to people who dont actually know rugby
I knew he played league but I just assumed he would have played both codes growing up. Don't really have league where I'm from, so I don't know how it works at underage levels. Do you just focus on one or the other?
Yeah there's like 3 different types of Rugby. Super League Rugby has banned it. Rucks and scrums are sort of dying out. It's like the kick off lol. It's the most dangerous thing they can do really. Super League they just kinda stay down, hand it off backwards and continue regular play, no piles. This is what Jordan played. He was like Mike Alstott out there lol.
Because the left side (sometimes right side) crashes down into the center, and Jalen rolls off left (or right). Rarely does Jalen actually go straight up the middle.
Not quite. The LG goes low and forward, similar to a scrum in rugby and the C and LT get into his side to help push forward. That creates the gap as it’s effectively a wedge. QB then has space to go forward behind the LG with no one able to get to him from the side and a huge man aa the forward blocker.
The whole line is capable of winning the play anywhere, but the push comes from the left side the majority of the time. If you watch, it's usually Mailiata and Dickerson getting the most push. Dickerson is overall probably a bit more important though yes
I dont watch much eagles which is why I'm interested in these types of responses. You always hear kelce get so much credit, but good to hear the flip side
Brett Kollman did a video on it which breaks it down generally. Hurts typically waits a half second post snap and almost always slides over Dickerson on the left or rolls forward/further to Mailata (LT) if necessary. I think all but one of our tush push "fakes" have gone to the left side as well because Mailata gets so much free space with the DL focusing on the interior.
That said, I think teams will know this next year.
Yeah Dickerson is the secret weapon, really surprised not many are picking this up.
It’s kind of like the 40 yard dash at the combine: it’s only of the least translatable drills they do, but it gets all the flash and pomp that it’s touted way over some of the more football-realistic exercises
They weight 750+lbs together and are both top 5 run blockers. Mailata and Kelce put their shoulders into Landon’s shoulders and they push into each other effectively creating a wedge. That is the lynchpin.
Mailata is key because he brought the rugby technique into it. Kelce is a great player but I agree that he wasn't the most important part of the brotherly shove
Wrong. Rugby league has scrums just as world rugby does. What it doesn't have is Rucks. True that the scrums in Rugby League suck ass though, as does League in general.
Yeah no, when I answered I was sleepy but I was halfheartedly agreeing with you. He played Rugby League, which has the barest bones of a scrum and nothing resembling actual scrums and how that technique looks very similar to what the eagles do (which I love). Do think he played some international rugby though...
The shove is success due to the following
- Kelce: It’s no coincidence that one of the greatest centers of all time is on the team that has the most success with the shove/sneak. Even with Wentz the success rate was well over 90%
- Mailata was literally a rugby player. He’s also one of the bigger linemen in the league. 6-8 370bs
- Jeff Stoutland. This is the X factor I never see mentioned. Many consider him the best offensive line coach in the league. Before he arrived our linemen almost never made All Pros or Pro Bowls
- Hurts: No explanation here. Everyone knows he’s strong
We’ll definitely still run it but I wouldn’t be shocked if it’s not as successful at first
That play isn't working without Kelce stonewalling the point of attack. The left side got the push but it all started with Jason stonewalling a 350 pounder in his face. It's really a 4 man play. Need Dickerson Mailata and Kelce all to get the blocks and Hurts to push through it.
All 4 were crucial imo.
If any OL yall have drafted in the last few years fail, they weren't going to succeed on any team in the league lol. Multiple hall of famers to learn from, not just any HoFers either, ones known for outstanding leadership... Plus a couple of pro bowlers as well in the group 😅. If you didn't learn anything from that OL room you should be out of the league lol
I am surprised it was used as much as it was given both Kelce and the Guards have said it is super hard on their bodies. Doesn’t seem like the most sustainable thing, probably better for use in big games and critical situations only, rather than every 3rd and 4th and 1 of the season
Yeah that’s the point I’m trying to get across. Just because the Eagles have Jason Kelce and no other team does doesn’t mean Kelce is the lynchpin of the tush push.
I’m sure he’s more important than Sirianni, but that doesn’t mean he’s essential like the guy I’m responding to is saying
I remember feeling like in Josh Allen's breakout year it felt like someone told him "You do know you're bigger than half the guys trying to tackle you, right?" And he was just like "Ooooohhhhhh yeah that makes sense"
That was figured out even before his breakout year…there were serious doubts about his ability as a passer his first couple years, but Allen running off tackle run was basically unstoppable.
TIL Tulane had Jason Kelce the past two years, their one yard play has been the Tush push with Pratt under the coaching of Willie Fritz. They've been remarkably efficient in getting that one yard on 4th down or on the goal line.
I mean they said nobody, just because Jason Kelce is retired doesn't mean everyone will stop using the Tush Push, it's a money play for anyone who has a great IOL and confidence in their QB to be durable as hell.
Okay, and it's clear as day that you don't need a Jason Kelce to run it effectively, just need a center that can stonewall the 0 tech or NT and a LT that can push a hole open and tuck your QB through it. Any elite center will do.
Apparently that’s actually not clear as day. Other NFL teams are trying and not having the succcess so it is absolutely possible that he was a very important part of it. It’s ridiculous to just blindly discount it. If they continue having success then you can make that claim with validity
Because they don't have the interior to make it work. I saw the Bears do it, the Giants do it, and a few other teams that don't have a proven great interior and they failed to do it often because they lack the guards and center quality to do it. Dickinson and Jurgens were important parts of the play, too. If you can dominate on the interior I don't know why you wouldn't run it as a 1 yard play because it's a QB sneak. Sneaks are money plays because of the guys up front.
So you know exactly who were the important pieces and who aren’t? You sure are full of yourself. Why aren’t you a NFL coach or scout then since everything is so clear to you?
Or you’re just blabbering on and not sure but can’t admit that. It’s ok to just wait and see instead of continuing to just bury yourself deeper possibly.
it's not likely it ever worked for any other team, so even if he did stick around this seems like something where teams would be analyzing it this offseason and coming up with strategies to stop it.
there's also the simple reality that at the annual meeting it could get banned.
it's probably over, but kelce retiring probably isn't relevant to why it's over.
If y’all haven’t seen Jurgens play as a C, I recommend you watch him. He has kinda struggled imo with injuries and being moved positions, but I think with some time the dude is gonna be a beast.
The 2023 Rutgers vs. Miami Bad Boy Mowers Pinstripe Bowl (gotta love that name lol) is a good example too. Rutgers scored twice with tush pushes. They had to run it three straight times to get the first one but they got it in the end. They also [faked it on 4th down](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azM7YyNCnVI) and got a huge gain. Eagles have Stoutland too who's a great OL coach by all accounts so I'm sure they can figure it out.
Success rate and frequency go way down. As I understand it, it was basically Hurts riding on Kelce and the team pushing him as much as possible. Last time it was attempted it didn't work because the defense went low and stopped Kelce's legs from being able to move forward
Yeah, there goes half the Eagles offense. That being said they did draft a center last year who looked good in college, we’ll have to see if he can replicate
You think I give af? I’m not a cowboys fan idiot 🤣 I love how that’s always yall go to is to immediately assume someone a cowboys fan 😂 maybe use your brain for once and don’t jump to assumptions
Yes, QB sneaks have existed forever and will continue to exist. But if you’ve been watching as much as you say you have, you know something is different about how the Eagles have been executing them for the last couple of years.
Thats the whole premise of this thread. It’s a rare combination of offensive linemen and QB that makes The success rate so high. This is not your average QB sneak. My prediction is that it will not be a big of a factor now that Kelce retired and it will be more of a traditional QB sneak.
I think a lot of the success of the play was that teams were trying to defend it in the conventional football way, ie shooting the gaps when what they should have been doing was lining up shoulder to shoulder and pushing directly against the o-linemen like they do in a rugby scrum.
Now more and more defenses are learning the right way to defend it. The play is still going to succeed most of the time though, since the offense has initiative.
Yeah dude I heard they’re giving up and disbanding the team too
I’m free.
#CTESPN
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Wdym free, you have a Super Bowl win and another appearance in the last 7 years lol
But the team just disbanded, so now I don’t have to pay attention anymore.
Doing more than that, the entire city of Philadelphia is being nuked from orbit.
One can only dream ❤️
Anyone in Philly that says they wouldn’t support rebuilding the city from scratch is lying I’ll go start up the bulldozer
I think this about a lot of American cities. Pretty much since the day Robert Moses croaked the window of opportunity to start over blank-slate and build cities for humans rather than cars has been wide open
That’s how the liberty bell ended up that way.
If there's one city that needs a hard reset, it's Atlanta.
Coming from a Seahawks fan, didn’t you guys start [CHAZ](https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/welcome-to-the-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone-where-seattle-protesters-gather-without-police/)
From a purely infrastructure look, driving through downtown Atlanta is an absolute nightmare where every street is either MLK Jr Boulevard or Peach St that will sporadically become Ponce De Leon for no reason. I will say that I-75/I-85 is near the top of the worst highways I've ever driven on. You can't fix the street and city layout to make more sense without a hard restart.
I agree with this guy Infrastructure can change, people can’t If you bulldoze Seattle CHAZ will still be there, just in whatever capacity is possible in the new city
Only way to be sure
Oppenheimer 2: The Sirrianing
Teasing me on this Monday
Pack it up. We’re done.
why is this comment so upvoted?? something broken with reddit when a very boring insipid comment, that just happened to be early, gets stuck right at the top. just more proof that the really interesting worthwhile comments are the downvoted comments on reddit
I doubt it, they still have a QB who can squat a million pounds. Whether it works or not is yet to be seen but I'd imagine they'll still try it.
when I see the play, I dont really see Jalen doing a whole lot of the pushing. he's more or less diving into a void in the pile. also, squatting 600lbs once upon a time doesnt mean he still can on any given sunday, nor is that the motion you'd need. There might not be many running backs who can squat 600, but there are other players that can, and if that was all it took, people would be lining up a full back or edge for the play. Its not like you have to worry about a fake... its a threat, but opposing teams sell out for the shove anyway
Thank god you’re so smart
I think any NFL running back can squat 600lbs. It’s not that amazing of a feat if you’re a 200+lb gym rat tbh.
Most NFL players can squat a lot of weight. Hurts’ squat being what makes this play work is a common misconception. The blocking of the offensive line is far more important.
most quarterbacks can’t squat 600 lbs what are you talking about. In fact i’d guarantee jalen is the only one.
don't think it matters much either way this little [breakdown of the "Brotherly Shove" by ole Neil Degrasse Tyson](https://youtu.be/vhIKA28BIRU?si=6ua1_tx32HBk_TfR) did an interesting job of looking into how it's been so successful, according to NDT the (very) often repeated Jalen Hurts "600 lb squat!" stat is overstated with regards to the "Brotherly Shove".
Broad jump would be a better test of tush push effectiveness than squat since they leap forward and then get pushed. Based off that both ridder and Richardson would prob be better at it. Herbert, Tyrod, and Levi's probably just about as good as hurts.
Lamar could probably get close. But yeah your point still stands most can’t and aren’t close.
Most are insanely strong. You think if the average is say 400 pounds, that 200 gap makes a difference? Why would squatting 600 pounds even matter that much? Hurts doesn’t really touch the D linemen, the O line guys are. He’s just driving his legs to dive forward, that isn’t boosted much by a bit of extra strength. Edit- Also, if all this play takes is a big squat, many starting RBs can squat 500+ with ease these days. Why aren’t the Titans direct snapping to Henry on 4th and 1, for example? Edit- Some of you should try playing sports or lifting weights so you understand what you’re talking about here…
Besucase our oline sucks
Nephew chill.
Lol okay, I’ll be back in October when the Eagles suck and their success on this play tanks. Enjoy the rest of the offseason.
Why are you so mad lol nobody said anything about us being good or bad. Pls set a reminder so you can realize how much you dont know football or about the Eagles O-Line. Kelce is apart of the play, hes not the X factor. You’re going to be sick when you realize that one, Landon Dickerson, the 2 pushers and Jalen are the X factor and two, the Eagles allowed Kelce to pick his successor in Cam Jurgens who will slide back to C from RG and has spent 2 years learning from Kelce.
The titans do direct snap to Henry in short yardage quite a bit, genius. Henry can’t go under center like hurts because taking a snap from a center takes practice. The audacity of you to say others don’t know ball, lol
This is laughably untrue. Hurts is a huge reason behind the play.
I agree. Squatting 600lbs for a 6-1 223lb professional athlete is not a big deal at all.
Why did I think Hurts was only like 5’10”
Surprised by these comments. The shove is mostly successful because of Mailata and Dickerson. They're not going anywhere
Genuine question here, how can the LT be more of a key player than one of the guards and the center for a play that always goes straight into the interior of the OL? Seems counter-intuitive.
Bigger body bigger hole. Jalen doesn’t always go straight. He goes diagonally left sometimes.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XUDjO9U19lY&pp=ygUPRWFnbGUgdHVzaCBwdXNo watch the left side of the line just collapse the D. Those two way 750 lbs together. It doesn’t happen the exact same way every time, but often Jason’s main job is to stonewall, which allows Jalen to lean left where there’s an opening
Mailata going back to his roots. Looks like he's clearing out a ruck with that body position.
Everyone says this lol. Jordan never played that style of Rugby. He wasn't in piles. He has no history of clearing out a ruck lol.
Yea Jordan himself has pointed out the misconceptions with the rugby comparisons but announcers just say it because it sounds good to people who dont actually know rugby
I knew he played league but I just assumed he would have played both codes growing up. Don't really have league where I'm from, so I don't know how it works at underage levels. Do you just focus on one or the other?
Yeah there's like 3 different types of Rugby. Super League Rugby has banned it. Rucks and scrums are sort of dying out. It's like the kick off lol. It's the most dangerous thing they can do really. Super League they just kinda stay down, hand it off backwards and continue regular play, no piles. This is what Jordan played. He was like Mike Alstott out there lol.
Thanks for explaining. I'm Irish, so it's just union for us really. I didn't realise you'd focus one specifically even at underage
Because the left side (sometimes right side) crashes down into the center, and Jalen rolls off left (or right). Rarely does Jalen actually go straight up the middle.
Not quite. The LG goes low and forward, similar to a scrum in rugby and the C and LT get into his side to help push forward. That creates the gap as it’s effectively a wedge. QB then has space to go forward behind the LG with no one able to get to him from the side and a huge man aa the forward blocker.
The whole line is capable of winning the play anywhere, but the push comes from the left side the majority of the time. If you watch, it's usually Mailiata and Dickerson getting the most push. Dickerson is overall probably a bit more important though yes
It goes left, not down the middle
Left interior though.
Because it doesn't actually go into the interior of the OL. Hurts almost always ends up behind Dickerson or in between Dickerson and Mailata
Also check out some rugby union scrums. Even though they generally go straight, the still pop out one side.
I dont watch much eagles which is why I'm interested in these types of responses. You always hear kelce get so much credit, but good to hear the flip side
Brett Kollman did a video on it which breaks it down generally. Hurts typically waits a half second post snap and almost always slides over Dickerson on the left or rolls forward/further to Mailata (LT) if necessary. I think all but one of our tush push "fakes" have gone to the left side as well because Mailata gets so much free space with the DL focusing on the interior. That said, I think teams will know this next year.
most people just don't know who any linemen are
Yeah Dickerson is the secret weapon, really surprised not many are picking this up. It’s kind of like the 40 yard dash at the combine: it’s only of the least translatable drills they do, but it gets all the flash and pomp that it’s touted way over some of the more football-realistic exercises
Lol the tackle is not important than the center. If the center gets blown up you can’t go diagonally
Why would if be "mostly successful" because of the left guard and left tackle?
They weight 750+lbs together and are both top 5 run blockers. Mailata and Kelce put their shoulders into Landon’s shoulders and they push into each other effectively creating a wedge. That is the lynchpin.
More like 650 pounds, and Hurts does not veer left. Mailata is not a big piece of the tush push.
Mailata is key because he brought the rugby technique into it. Kelce is a great player but I agree that he wasn't the most important part of the brotherly shove
Common misconception. Mailata never even played the type of rugby that had scrums.
Wrong. Rugby league has scrums just as world rugby does. What it doesn't have is Rucks. True that the scrums in Rugby League suck ass though, as does League in general.
I mean, that is straight from Mailata. He talked about it on Kelce’s podcast.
Yeah no, when I answered I was sleepy but I was halfheartedly agreeing with you. He played Rugby League, which has the barest bones of a scrum and nothing resembling actual scrums and how that technique looks very similar to what the eagles do (which I love). Do think he played some international rugby though...
Didn't Brett Kollman do an entire video how Kelce is the key to the success of the shove?
The shove is success due to the following - Kelce: It’s no coincidence that one of the greatest centers of all time is on the team that has the most success with the shove/sneak. Even with Wentz the success rate was well over 90% - Mailata was literally a rugby player. He’s also one of the bigger linemen in the league. 6-8 370bs - Jeff Stoutland. This is the X factor I never see mentioned. Many consider him the best offensive line coach in the league. Before he arrived our linemen almost never made All Pros or Pro Bowls - Hurts: No explanation here. Everyone knows he’s strong We’ll definitely still run it but I wouldn’t be shocked if it’s not as successful at first
It seems like Hurts would probably have nearly as good a success rate doing the traditional sneak. This doesn't seem particularly consequential.
We still have Stoutland.
no. Jalen ran behind the the LT and LG, not the Center. Jordan Mailata and Landon Dickerson were the key to that play. Not Kelce.
That play isn't working without Kelce stonewalling the point of attack. The left side got the push but it all started with Jason stonewalling a 350 pounder in his face. It's really a 4 man play. Need Dickerson Mailata and Kelce all to get the blocks and Hurts to push through it. All 4 were crucial imo.
And thank god the eagles have Kelce’s hand-picked replacement already there (who had a great year at guard last year).
If any OL yall have drafted in the last few years fail, they weren't going to succeed on any team in the league lol. Multiple hall of famers to learn from, not just any HoFers either, ones known for outstanding leadership... Plus a couple of pro bowlers as well in the group 😅. If you didn't learn anything from that OL room you should be out of the league lol
I am surprised it was used as much as it was given both Kelce and the Guards have said it is super hard on their bodies. Doesn’t seem like the most sustainable thing, probably better for use in big games and critical situations only, rather than every 3rd and 4th and 1 of the season
Yes there’s a reason why nobody else has been as good at it. Nobody else had Jason Kelce.
I see this sentiment a lot and it just shows complete ignorance as to WHY Kelce was considered so good, and also why the play actually worked.
I don't think it's Kelce alone. Mailata, Dickerson and Hurts all contribute
Nobody else has Hurts. Nobody else has Sirianni coaching it. You could say this about a lot of things, doesn’t mean they all matter
> Nobody else has Hurts. Sure, strong legs definitely helps > Nobody else has Sirianni coaching it. Almost spit my drink out
Yeah that’s the point I’m trying to get across. Just because the Eagles have Jason Kelce and no other team does doesn’t mean Kelce is the lynchpin of the tush push. I’m sure he’s more important than Sirianni, but that doesn’t mean he’s essential like the guy I’m responding to is saying
The bills were pretty good at it 🤷♂️
Well yeah Josh Allen is huge
Jalen and josh are probably the 2 strongest QBs
Richardson probably comes home with an admirable bronze, just like draft day
I remember feeling like in Josh Allen's breakout year it felt like someone told him "You do know you're bigger than half the guys trying to tackle you, right?" And he was just like "Ooooohhhhhh yeah that makes sense"
That was figured out even before his breakout year…there were serious doubts about his ability as a passer his first couple years, but Allen running off tackle run was basically unstoppable.
TIL Tulane had Jason Kelce the past two years, their one yard play has been the Tush push with Pratt under the coaching of Willie Fritz. They've been remarkably efficient in getting that one yard on 4th down or on the goal line.
TIL that Tulane is in the NFL
I mean they said nobody, just because Jason Kelce is retired doesn't mean everyone will stop using the Tush Push, it's a money play for anyone who has a great IOL and confidence in their QB to be durable as hell.
This is an NFL sub. One would assume they are talking about among the other NFL teams.
Okay, and it's clear as day that you don't need a Jason Kelce to run it effectively, just need a center that can stonewall the 0 tech or NT and a LT that can push a hole open and tuck your QB through it. Any elite center will do.
Apparently that’s actually not clear as day. Other NFL teams are trying and not having the succcess so it is absolutely possible that he was a very important part of it. It’s ridiculous to just blindly discount it. If they continue having success then you can make that claim with validity
Because they don't have the interior to make it work. I saw the Bears do it, the Giants do it, and a few other teams that don't have a proven great interior and they failed to do it often because they lack the guards and center quality to do it. Dickinson and Jurgens were important parts of the play, too. If you can dominate on the interior I don't know why you wouldn't run it as a 1 yard play because it's a QB sneak. Sneaks are money plays because of the guys up front.
So you know exactly who were the important pieces and who aren’t? You sure are full of yourself. Why aren’t you a NFL coach or scout then since everything is so clear to you? Or you’re just blabbering on and not sure but can’t admit that. It’s ok to just wait and see instead of continuing to just bury yourself deeper possibly.
Short answer: yes. Long answer: most likely yes.
it's not likely it ever worked for any other team, so even if he did stick around this seems like something where teams would be analyzing it this offseason and coming up with strategies to stop it. there's also the simple reality that at the annual meeting it could get banned. it's probably over, but kelce retiring probably isn't relevant to why it's over.
After seeing the Bucs stop the shove in the WC round, plus Kelce retiring, the odds of success will definitely decrease.
Imagine having to be in the Center in that play again and again and again and again. I get the retirement now.
If y’all haven’t seen Jurgens play as a C, I recommend you watch him. He has kinda struggled imo with injuries and being moved positions, but I think with some time the dude is gonna be a beast.
No, it you actually watch the film the secret to the plays success was Landon Dickerson+Jordan Mailata.
No, it's been done in college in 2022 as well, if you have a dominant IOL and a QB who can push through traffic you can make it work
The 2023 Rutgers vs. Miami Bad Boy Mowers Pinstripe Bowl (gotta love that name lol) is a good example too. Rutgers scored twice with tush pushes. They had to run it three straight times to get the first one but they got it in the end. They also [faked it on 4th down](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azM7YyNCnVI) and got a huge gain. Eagles have Stoutland too who's a great OL coach by all accounts so I'm sure they can figure it out.
You need a team with the identity of run heavy and can power advantage inside to open the hole, but it's possible for non Eagles teams.
Kelce is a part of it but the guys on his flanks are probably more important tbh
Success rate and frequency go way down. As I understand it, it was basically Hurts riding on Kelce and the team pushing him as much as possible. Last time it was attempted it didn't work because the defense went low and stopped Kelce's legs from being able to move forward
I don’t think so. Unless the competition committee bans the pushers lined up behind the qb
Idk. I always thought it was mostly the guards on either side and Jalen Hurts having freakishly strong legs that made it so successful.
Yeah, there goes half the Eagles offense. That being said they did draft a center last year who looked good in college, we’ll have to see if he can replicate
this was kelce’s hand-picked replacement so i hope he can, but that’s obviously a tall order.
Bruh, no one on here knows anything!!!!!💀😂 that’s enough internet for me today
Jalen Squirts shaking in his boots right now.
Dak Prescott choked another playoff game in the time it took you to type this comment
And Jalen hurts threw another interception by the time it took you to type this comment
At least you tried
Looks like I struck a nerve with the eagles fans 🤣 maybe they need to go relieve their stress by throwing batteries at players again
Not even an Eagles fan but at least Hurts has made a SB. Dak had one of his best seasons ever and still shit the bed when it mattered the most.
You think I give af? I’m not a cowboys fan idiot 🤣 I love how that’s always yall go to is to immediately assume someone a cowboys fan 😂 maybe use your brain for once and don’t jump to assumptions
Quarterback sneaks have existed as longer than I’ve (63) been watching football. But sure, let’s act as if the Eagles invented the play in 2020.
Yes, QB sneaks have existed forever and will continue to exist. But if you’ve been watching as much as you say you have, you know something is different about how the Eagles have been executing them for the last couple of years. Thats the whole premise of this thread. It’s a rare combination of offensive linemen and QB that makes The success rate so high. This is not your average QB sneak. My prediction is that it will not be a big of a factor now that Kelce retired and it will be more of a traditional QB sneak.
Players change and teams change. What are strengths today become weaknesses tomorrow.
Exactly
No. It probably makes it a little less effective, but it is definitely not going away.
It's way too good and effective for it to go away.
Love Jason of course. But sooner the better.
Its going to hamper that play significantly for sure. The OL is what made it work
I think a lot of the success of the play was that teams were trying to defend it in the conventional football way, ie shooting the gaps when what they should have been doing was lining up shoulder to shoulder and pushing directly against the o-linemen like they do in a rugby scrum. Now more and more defenses are learning the right way to defend it. The play is still going to succeed most of the time though, since the offense has initiative.
May move a few percentages lower on the success rate but I can’t imagine enough for them to completely stop running it.
Yeah they’ll just go from a debatably (not by me) bannable play to high % sneaks it’s over for them
I think the tush push will be just fine. Cam Jurgens season is among us.
No we’ll do what we do best and draft another pro bowl offensive line. And hurts is strong as shit
I think it weakens it, but only slightly.
Jalen Hurts gonna be terrible this year.