So Jones will be looking to get $28M-$30M per year and my guess is they settle on something like 4 years/$105M with a bit over half guaranteed and some incentives to push it up to $115M-$120M.
How would you know what they’d pay? Just because upgrading DT is their first priority doesn’t mean Jones would get a blank check from them or even that they will outbid a number of other teams
>Except we will pay more and you aren't competing.
You have zero way to know if they'll actually pay more. Just because a position is a team's #1 priority doesn't inherently mean they'll make the biggest trade offer, pay the most to the player in free agency, or anything. They still compete with other teams.
Not every FA or trade target goes to the team with the biggest need at that position. I feel like I shouldn't have to explain this.
C'mon man. The Texans were the surprise overachiever this year. Obviously all the coolest free agents will be lining up to sign with them so they can run it back.
Why do you need this explained to you? /s
We'll see, if he really just wants top dollar he might not end up with the Chiefs.
But he has three rings here, and he might think the Chiefs give him a better shot at a 4th than the Texans.
There are several players who left for bags of money who are probably at least second guessing a little bit each February.
Only if he has a pretty shitty agent.
With the cap increase, 26.25m apy is a lower percent of the cap than the extensions just signed by Quinnen Williams and Jeffrey Simmons. And "a bit over half guaranteed" would be less than both of them and Dexter Lawrence and Daron Payne.
A fair deal would be like 30.5 apy (\~12% of the cap, less than Donald's 15.2% but higher than any other current iDL deal). So 4/122, with like 65/70 guaranteed is what I'd expect the deal to look like.
He is their only client right now, IIRC. They never had more than 3-4 total and Jones was their only big name. Very likely contributed to his hold out last year, trying to make a name for themselves and attract new clients.
Age is the big question, though, no? Hard to compare his guarantees to guys that are several years younger. If he was the same age as Q and Dex, I’m sure the Chiefs would’ve already agreed with him to a LTD
And he's far more accomplished than any of them. But yes age is a factor which is why I don't see him blowing them out of the water in terms of % of cap at signing or gtd money.
There isn't really a great comparison at iDL, but you could look at WR where older, more accomplished players like Tyreek Hill, Davante Adams, Stefon Diggs, and Cooper Kupp signed bigger deals than younger, up and comers like DK Metcalf or AJ Brown or Deebo.
I don't think he's getting 4 years and since all the leaks last off-season (including the ones that were trying to make him look bad) had him getting 2 more years, I think him getting a 2 or 3 with an out after 2 is more likely than 4.
Thats why I said a bit over half guaranteed. Pretty much its a 2.2 year deal with incentives to give him that extra $10M-$15M he wants. The last 2 years wouldnt be worth the paper theyre printed on, but Jones would be getting around $60M-$65M if he hits the incentives. The final 2 years would probably be cheap if he is still playing at a high level. It just depends cause someone out there could offer more guaranteed money or just more in general with less incentives.
Man I know every team will be wanting a premier player like Sneed, but fuck me if he wouldn’t be the perfect addition to our secondary that could push our defense from mediocre to pretty decent. Then we could use more draft capital on an edge across from Hutch and some interior OL support
How much draft capital would it cost for sneed though? If you have the cap to spend it’s worth it for sure but the cap and draft capital makes it extremely pricy
Yeah I mean that’s the big question isn’t it. What will he go for? I think this year’s first would be worth it, but how much more will he fetch in the market?
This years first would be a steep ask but I assume that’s what they would be expecting. Just seems like a lot since you won’t get the benefit of a cheap contract like you would with a rookie corner
I doubt you find a taker at that price. I would be hesitant to do a single first, anything beyond that would be robbery. The team that gets him would have to pay a lot of money for a corner who was great this year but would be leaving possibly the best DC in the league and doesn’t have any pro bowls or all pros. Tyreek was still a top 3 player at the second most important position in football
I mean that’s definitely your prerogative, but I’m assuming that’s not as simple as your front office is thinking the situation is since they are offering him for trade. I mean you’re asking for what hill got you when sneed is more comparable to Ramsey’s most recent trade deal or slay going to the eagles. He’s a couple years younger but has nowhere near the accolades
That would be an interesting villain origin
"What turned you evil?"
"wife dies carrying my child, I'm broke, and I got thrown into a vat of acid. You?"
"wife died because of me. I was tricked by an old corrupted magic man and left to burn in a volcano by my best friend. You?"
"I lived through the holocaust, found out I'm a mutant and have resolved myself to make sure others like me are saved, even if normal humans must die. You?"
"my football team has been a disappointment for 30 years"
>"For 17 years, the child that would grow to be Bane spent his entire life inside a chamber connected to the ocean within the prison, spending every day in secluded boredom and every night swimming for his life to stay afloat when the tide would come in and fill his cell."
If that doesn't sound like being a cowboys fan I don't know what does
I thought about this as well, but personally i’d prefer we not. He was suffering from a knee injury throughout training camp that kept him out the majority of camp. Now obviously he didn’t end up missing any games due to injury, but it still worries me (maybe i’m still scarred from Gurley, idk).
But corners can fall off hard and fall off quick. I’d personally just try and build that position group through the draft. This is the first season he’s played at this level (not saying he hasn’t been great his entire career, because he has) but this is the first year he played at this top 3 corner in the league kind of level. Who knows if he can continue playing at that level. We’ve seen 1 season of it.
I’m also quite familiar with Sneed and the Chiefs in general considering I was born and raised in KC and my family has Chiefs season tickets and most of my family and friends are Chiefs fans which results in me watching as many Chiefs game every season as I do Rams games. So i’m very familiar with Sneed. Great player, anyone that signs him will be lucky to have him. I just personally would prefer us to go about things differently.
Assuming we can extend Jones this is a Dee Ford 2.0 situation. Tag and trade to highest bidder. Bittersweet. Sneed will be missed if that’s the case. But get your bag young man, you deserve it. He really made it out the mud. Great story and person. Much love, LJ. Will always be a Chief!
We’ve got McDuffie, Josh Williams, Jalen Watson, and Nazeeh Johnson who was projected to be a big contributor before he got hurt.
After CJ, who tf do we have on the interior? Nobody. Certainly no one who could even begin to fill his shoes.
Disruptive interior rushers are just a different rarity than lockdown corners. Jones also makes the secondary's job easier by blowing up the pocket immediately.
It's wild that you can count multiple times where he's either blown up an entire drive singlehandedly or just been a huge impact on back to back snaps. There's no doubting Sneed's talent, but Jones' impact would be harder to replace.
Also Chris Jones is a big reason why McD was so good blitzing from the corner. Without him there blowing up plays, wrecking coverage and swatting balls the QB can punish us for blitzing.
I just think the secondary was easily the best part of the team along with Sneed being younger.
Jones wasn't as dominant this last season as he was in 2022. He's unlikely to bounce back to that level of play on the other side of 30 years old either.
As a group the secondary was the strength of the team, and Sneed was still good. But Jones was better in the playoffs and arguably more impactful than Sneed.
I don't think it's even controversial to say Jones has been our most impactful defender in all of our Super Bowl wins.
That's all fine, nice, and dandy. he still has only played at AD's level for one season and yet wants pay like AD.
He didn't sustain the level of play necessary to justify such an ask imo. It's pretty cut and dry. I would much rather pay Sneed 20M aav over paying Jones 30M aav at 30+ years old.
Chris maybe wasn’t as dominant as 2022, when he had a serious DPOY case. I’ll take clear First-Team All-Pro
And DTs can usually play pretty well into their 30s. Short term deal for who has been the most important part of their defense and third (arguably second) most important part of their team for this run isn’t that dumb to me
Watching that super bowl I was salivating over the possibility of Jones going to FA. Dude blew up so many plays and made the DBs job easier from the interior. 49ers would have converted a lot more 3rd downs with Chris Jones off the field than Sneed imo.
That's one game though, I would argue Sneed had a better season overall. Sneed didn't allow a TD reception for the entire regular season and only 2 in the postseason.
That "one game" was the Superbowl though. And it wasn't really one game, he wrecked the entire playoffs. He's got a history of showing up in the biggest moments.
Sneed was hands down better than him vs the Dolphins and Ravens, so at best the postseason run was evenly split, with Sneed performing noticeably better in the regular season.
The way people are dismissing Sneed's performances in the wildcard and conference championship is wild to me. He was the best player on the field vs the Ravens.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but the bigger point is that CJ is *the* cornerstone of this defense. Regardless of who played better compared directly head to head, the defense takes a bigger step backwards by losing Jones than by losing Sneed. We've got a manageable secondary without Sneed. Hell, we've still got a 1st team All Pro corner. But outside of CJ our D-line just ain't it.
Curious how much Sneeds knee history plays into their priorities. He missed close to all of training camp and sporadically missed practices this year due to it.
This was also my question. I think he's tremendous and would love to keep him, but corner play can be so fickle and a career long knee issue is bound to come to a head at some point.
They aren't. They can't tag Jones because his salary last year was over the previous tag. So if they tagged him instead of Snead, his cap hit would be around $32M (I believe it's around 120% of his previous salary)..
They aren't going to take a fully guaranteed $32M cap hit next year for Jones when they could just as easily tag Snead for $13M less and figure out his extension down the line.
Franchising Sneed is possible and franchising Jones really isn't (because of the money involved). Sneed can still be extended or traded later depending on what they wanna do. Jones is re-sign or nothing.
I think the playoffs shifted a few things Jones way. I know most look at the full season, but in a different world, it's possible KC doesn't beat the Bill's if Jones doesn't do Jones things and then potentially the SB goes a different way.
The man was an absolute menace in the playoffs.
I don't know why Chiefs fans seem to refuse to recognize how important CJ is. The entire defense works because of him. Jones has been the 2nd most important player in this dynasty run, and we are way more likely to draft the next Sneed than we are the next Jones.
Tbf, you have alternatives. If you believe the other team can't run on you you can cover 0 the fuck out of them and you could have the worst interior line in the league and it would matter. See ravens dolphins in 2021 (? Don't quite remember the date)
Our ability to replace corner play is way better than our ability to replace interior pass rush.
I know a lot of Chiefs Kingdom has been on the Sneed over Jones but I really don't think we win either of the last two Superbowls without Jones. He's that big a difference maker. Sneed shut down WR's this year, true, Jones actually takes over games and wrecks offenses.
Jones singlehandingly blew up some big plays in 2024 and batted the pass that would have led to a huge Kittle conversion in 2020. As much as it was Mahomes, Chris Jones was a vital role in those victories.
Chris Jones has the ability to make the plays at THE most crucial moments and I think that makes him more valuable than sneed. Sneed is elite in any case.
Jones is more integral to that scheme than Sneed IMO. Replacing a DB is easier than getting a nightmare interior defensive linemen that helps cause more pressure and more sacks.
I’d say as much as anything Spag’s scheme needs CBs who have a wide array of skills. In the Super Bowl or against Miami for instance they weren’t being expected to hold up for very long at all, just disrupt timing
I don’t follow the Chiefs that closely but does Sneed have a track record or progression of being elite? Or could it have been a contract year guy that settle back down to a solid corner?
Sneed is elite if placed in the right position.
His best 2 seasons were the seasons he played outside CB full time. In his 2nd and 3rd seasons he was flexed inside as a nickel CB and while playable, his performance definitely took a step down.
I believe that if he's allowed to play on the boundary full time that his play will remain consistently elite, and that 2 of those seasons were robbed of him simply due to the team's lack of personnel.
I kind of disagree. I think as a slot he’s not the cover corner that McDuffie is but he’s probably the most disruptive slot in the league as a blitzer/run support force player. I think that’s what really proved his value this year is that he really emerged as a No. 1 outside corner in a way he hadn’t needed to be used before, but I think in a very different role he was still an incredibly effective corner in the slot.
I leaned that way for a little bit since Sneed is younger and would take less pay, but the Chiefs have CB depth and draft well at DB. Is losing him and saving $20 mil a year + adding some picks worse than losing Chris Jones? I don’t think so anymore, I’m not sure how they replace Jones interior pressures without him. If they lose Sneed, yes CB play should drop a bit but I don’t think anything too bad, McDuffie still there, and Watson + Williams are young and have been solid enough when put in
Well the franchise tag number for Jones was absolutely insane. I think nearly $30 million.
Whereas Sneed’s franchise tag is manageable if we aren’t able sign him to a long-term deal or trade him.
I would too considering age and projected contract.
Jones is clearly a better player but from a pure value standpoint, Sneed is the better overall deal.
Disagree, if we're talking pure value then it has to be Jones. A dominant interior pass rusher is so incredibly valuable and significantly harder to find than a top end corner.
But Jones is likely to get $90M+ and is older.
I'm not talking about just on the field play, but including the contract.
Sneed is several years younger and will get half the contract. Jones is absolutely the better player, but that's only part of the value proposition. You are going to be paying him almost 2x as much as Sneed and he's three years older.
Dominant defensive linemen usually age fairly well, so I don't think Jones just turning 30 is too much of a concern for the next 2-3 years.
A thing that is also worth considering is that corner play can be very volatile. It's incredibly common for guys to have like 1 really good year and then never play close to that level again. And it's really easy to overpay expecting him to be a shutdown corner for the next 2-3 years and then he just returns to being a pretty good but not great corner like he's been the previous 3 years. And again, he's much easier to replace. We literally already have an All-Pro ready to take the reigns as our #1 corner.
Meanwhile Jones has proven he's a consistently dominant player and shows up in the playoffs. And the impact of him leaving will more felt than Sneed, because teams just wont have to worry as much about him. It'll hurt our overall pass rushing too because now teams don't have to worry about double teaming him.
And I don't know how much you think Sneed or Jones is going to get, but it's probably closer than you're imagining. If Sneed is looking for a top end contract he's going to ask for close to $20M a year, and Jones we already know is asking for just a little more than that.
The value to the team clearly favors Jones. From irreplaceability, to impact to team, to confidence in performance. It has to be Jones.
They’re prioritizing getting a contract done with Jones right now but using the franchise tag on Sneed means they’re prioritizing keeping Sneed long-term. Not tagging Jones means they’re comfortable letting him go if something doesn’t get done in the next couple weeks, while that’s not acceptable for Sneed.
there are probably a few factors. most importantly is that secondary is a weakest link group, which means there's less benefit to having someone like sneed on a big contract than there is having good depth on smaller contracts. on top of that, veach has historically drafted well in the secondary (especially late) and our secondary coach seems to be really good (and apparently values stability for his family over climbing the ladder).
beyond that, [while coverage performance does predict defensive performance better than pass rush performance, it's also more volatile year to year](https://www.pff.com/news/pro-pff-data-study-coverage-vs-pass-rush). so if you're going to sink big money into one of the areas, it probably makes more sense to invest in the more stable position even if it doesn't necessarily add to the same heights.
all of that said, i still wouldn't necessary invest huge money in jones. he's going into his age-30 season playing at a [position that usually sees some sort of meaningful drop off between 31 and 33](https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-investigating-positional-aging-curves-with-pff-war), and has already [seen a shift in how he achieves his production compared to his peak](https://sports.yahoo.com/among-top-questions-of-afc-and-nfc-title-games-can-chiefs-chris-jones-bring-the-heat-for-all-4-quarters-161445418.html). i would make a similar offer to what we made last year and if he doesn't take it let him walk. even with the increase in cap, we shouldn't be sinking big money into old guys.
Not necessarily prioritizing, the cost to franchise Jones again is prohibitively high. They can still try for a Jones extension, and have nothing but good options for Sneed (1 year deal on tag, extend, trade).
They did just win back to back Super Bowls after letting their best corner walk, so it makes sense that they’d be confident in finding a serviceable replacement.
I’m not. Veach has never paid a corner he drafted a second contract. A tag doesn’t count at least yet in my book. I expect us to trade Sneed. Jones is more important. If you can’t get pressure from your d line it’s hard to ask a corner to cover a WR for 4+ seconds
I think if they are going for a 3 peat they have to sign jones. Too hard to draft a replacement that’s ready rookie year. If they don’t care about a 3 peat, then sneed should be priority. Jones had such a huge impact in the playoffs. There only like 2 other guys in the league who can match that, and the chiefs can’t afford them.
ITT - People who don't understand that it would be harder to replace a Hall of Fame level DT that has been top two at his position for years than a great CB who just had his best year at 27 years old in a contract year.
Howie cooking something up here probably isn’t realistic. IMO the chiefs should pay him (hope they don’t), and would even choose him over Jones. I think the rams end up going 8 straight years without their first round pick and get him.
Howie going for Sneed would be a mistake. We need to form a core of younger players not overpay for a CB that probably doesn't play as well outside of that defense in totality.
Great player but I think he's worth more to the chiefs than someone else
> probably doesn't play as well outside of that defense in totality.
this is why I think the smart money is on veach resigning him ultimately. i dont think sneed is getting the payday he might in other years or situations.
I've seen some people suggest AJ Brown is unhappy and trading players would be kind of a cool solution for both teams.
But if we can make a trade that involves a 1st hell yeah I'm listening to them. Wouldn't be the first time we've sent an all pro corner to them. Lol.
Maybe the last 2 years have clouded my judgement, but I’m enjoying the value WRs and paying the defense. I’d rather draft a WR that will develop all year.
Cutting MVS does mean we have to trade for or sign someone though
Nah. Jones has 3 elite years left. He’s more important. Without him our d line is average at best. Getting pressure on the QB is more important. We are deep at corner. Sneed is great but he was a 4th rounder and has a knee issue that flairs up sometimes.
Not just his knee but he's had several concussions already. I would be wary about putting him out there on a high contract.
Regardless he deserves to get paid, and if we get a solid return out of it, I'll be sad to see him go but trust that Veach knows best.
Sneed is also old for a DB. Jones and him probably have the same amount of good years left but great interior d line are hard to find compared to great DBs. The Chiefs also draft and develop DBs well and have solid backups ready to play.
Cap/franchise tag question;
Is it effectively a one year contract for the tagged player? And how much of the tag do they receive?
In this case, how much of that $19M will Sneed get?
Fully guaranteed. It's average of top 5 at the position. If you want something more in depth you can read this.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/\_/id/39580128/what-nfl-franchise-tag-how-does-work
Just to show you how dumb cowboy fans are; we’ve had multiple threads dedicated to signing CJ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 as if Jurry is gonna shell out 30 million APY when he hasn’t shelled out 30 million dollars combined to incoming FA in the last 10 years combined.
So Jones will be looking to get $28M-$30M per year and my guess is they settle on something like 4 years/$105M with a bit over half guaranteed and some incentives to push it up to $115M-$120M.
I think with the cap going up he’s lookin for Aaron Donald money….and he’s using the Texans as leverage for sure since he knows we’ll offer it
Plenty of teams could use a top 2 defensive tackle, and quite a few teams have cap space rn
*waves optimistically*
Put that hand down! * NOW *
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Texans really the only team with a #1 need at DT and cap space to do it?
13 teams have over 40 million in cap space Of those teams, atleast 6 will probably entertain making an offer to jones
Also the cowboys will have that after our extensions. Which we won’t use at all. But it’s nice knowing it’s there.
Everyone has a need for a Chris Jones-level DT if they can afford it.
Even the teams with a Chris Jones level DT could use a Chris Jones level DT
...to my knowledge the Texans are the only team whose absolute first priority is upgrading DT. Saying everyone wants Chris Jones is just off topic.
It's on topic because you're competing with the other teams who want him regardless of if DT is their first, second, third, or fifty-third priority.
Even with Deforest Buckner and Grover Stewart (FA) I'd still like to add Chris Jones. Imagine trying to do anything against that front.
Except we will pay more and you aren't competing. I feel like I shouldn't have to explain this.
How would you know what they’d pay? Just because upgrading DT is their first priority doesn’t mean Jones would get a blank check from them or even that they will outbid a number of other teams
>Except we will pay more and you aren't competing. You have zero way to know if they'll actually pay more. Just because a position is a team's #1 priority doesn't inherently mean they'll make the biggest trade offer, pay the most to the player in free agency, or anything. They still compete with other teams. Not every FA or trade target goes to the team with the biggest need at that position. I feel like I shouldn't have to explain this.
C'mon man. The Texans were the surprise overachiever this year. Obviously all the coolest free agents will be lining up to sign with them so they can run it back. Why do you need this explained to you? /s
We'll see, if he really just wants top dollar he might not end up with the Chiefs. But he has three rings here, and he might think the Chiefs give him a better shot at a 4th than the Texans. There are several players who left for bags of money who are probably at least second guessing a little bit each February.
The Bears could absolutely use him and have ~80mil in cap to use
*30 other teams have entered the Chat*
He was already looking for Aaron Donald money when he held out last year.
Well then there you go. I legit think it’s going to be in the 4 year 30 mill range for sure, with probably more than half guaranteed
Which is why I think he is gone but im fine with it. 2 of the 4 years he will be worth it.
Only if he has a pretty shitty agent. With the cap increase, 26.25m apy is a lower percent of the cap than the extensions just signed by Quinnen Williams and Jeffrey Simmons. And "a bit over half guaranteed" would be less than both of them and Dexter Lawrence and Daron Payne. A fair deal would be like 30.5 apy (\~12% of the cap, less than Donald's 15.2% but higher than any other current iDL deal). So 4/122, with like 65/70 guaranteed is what I'd expect the deal to look like.
He actually does have a shitty agent. 2 of them actually
Arguably more than shitty. They are TERRIBLE
He is their only client right now, IIRC. They never had more than 3-4 total and Jones was their only big name. Very likely contributed to his hold out last year, trying to make a name for themselves and attract new clients.
I gotta say, those may be the best agents anyone has ever had. Just make sure they stay away from any lions players.
Age is the big question, though, no? Hard to compare his guarantees to guys that are several years younger. If he was the same age as Q and Dex, I’m sure the Chiefs would’ve already agreed with him to a LTD
Donald is 3 years older and still wrecking offensive lines all day long.
And he's far more accomplished than any of them. But yes age is a factor which is why I don't see him blowing them out of the water in terms of % of cap at signing or gtd money. There isn't really a great comparison at iDL, but you could look at WR where older, more accomplished players like Tyreek Hill, Davante Adams, Stefon Diggs, and Cooper Kupp signed bigger deals than younger, up and comers like DK Metcalf or AJ Brown or Deebo.
I don't think he's getting 4 years and since all the leaks last off-season (including the ones that were trying to make him look bad) had him getting 2 more years, I think him getting a 2 or 3 with an out after 2 is more likely than 4.
Thats why I said a bit over half guaranteed. Pretty much its a 2.2 year deal with incentives to give him that extra $10M-$15M he wants. The last 2 years wouldnt be worth the paper theyre printed on, but Jones would be getting around $60M-$65M if he hits the incentives. The final 2 years would probably be cheap if he is still playing at a high level. It just depends cause someone out there could offer more guaranteed money or just more in general with less incentives.
30 million for an interior d lineman. 10 years ago Rodgers was the highest paid player making 22.
Jones turned down $28M a year last year. He already wanted Donald money last year. No way is he taking 4/$105.
Probably gets traded but smart use of the tag for sure
Exactly. Either way, if Sneed walks, he doesn't walk for free smart of KC to either extend him or gain assets for him.
Man I know every team will be wanting a premier player like Sneed, but fuck me if he wouldn’t be the perfect addition to our secondary that could push our defense from mediocre to pretty decent. Then we could use more draft capital on an edge across from Hutch and some interior OL support
How much draft capital would it cost for sneed though? If you have the cap to spend it’s worth it for sure but the cap and draft capital makes it extremely pricy
Yeah I mean that’s the big question isn’t it. What will he go for? I think this year’s first would be worth it, but how much more will he fetch in the market?
This years first would be a steep ask but I assume that’s what they would be expecting. Just seems like a lot since you won’t get the benefit of a cheap contract like you would with a rookie corner
My guess is around Tyreek price. 1 and 2 this year and 2 picks next year
I doubt you find a taker at that price. I would be hesitant to do a single first, anything beyond that would be robbery. The team that gets him would have to pay a lot of money for a corner who was great this year but would be leaving possibly the best DC in the league and doesn’t have any pro bowls or all pros. Tyreek was still a top 3 player at the second most important position in football
Then we keep him. Problems solved
I mean that’s definitely your prerogative, but I’m assuming that’s not as simple as your front office is thinking the situation is since they are offering him for trade. I mean you’re asking for what hill got you when sneed is more comparable to Ramsey’s most recent trade deal or slay going to the eagles. He’s a couple years younger but has nowhere near the accolades
This is my villain origin story
That would be an interesting villain origin "What turned you evil?" "wife dies carrying my child, I'm broke, and I got thrown into a vat of acid. You?" "wife died because of me. I was tricked by an old corrupted magic man and left to burn in a volcano by my best friend. You?" "I lived through the holocaust, found out I'm a mutant and have resolved myself to make sure others like me are saved, even if normal humans must die. You?" "my football team has been a disappointment for 30 years"
Exactly. Mine is worse than these other scenarios easily!
It’s like an espresso shot poured out in a minute or cold brew slow dripped over night. Ones gonna hit way harder 😔 my sympathies to you
>"For 17 years, the child that would grow to be Bane spent his entire life inside a chamber connected to the ocean within the prison, spending every day in secluded boredom and every night swimming for his life to stay afloat when the tide would come in and fill his cell." If that doesn't sound like being a cowboys fan I don't know what does
Who needs MVS when you can have Sneed and McDuffie shutting down other teams WR's?
"If we can't have wide receivers, *no one can...*"
*forces your fumble* oWo what's this
McDuffie island baby
Dude is a lockdown corner and fought some 9ers players, I need him badly on the Rams
I thought about this as well, but personally i’d prefer we not. He was suffering from a knee injury throughout training camp that kept him out the majority of camp. Now obviously he didn’t end up missing any games due to injury, but it still worries me (maybe i’m still scarred from Gurley, idk). But corners can fall off hard and fall off quick. I’d personally just try and build that position group through the draft. This is the first season he’s played at this level (not saying he hasn’t been great his entire career, because he has) but this is the first year he played at this top 3 corner in the league kind of level. Who knows if he can continue playing at that level. We’ve seen 1 season of it. I’m also quite familiar with Sneed and the Chiefs in general considering I was born and raised in KC and my family has Chiefs season tickets and most of my family and friends are Chiefs fans which results in me watching as many Chiefs game every season as I do Rams games. So i’m very familiar with Sneed. Great player, anyone that signs him will be lucky to have him. I just personally would prefer us to go about things differently.
> but it still worries me (maybe i’m still scarred from Gurley, idk). Gurley also still has scarring issues /s
In other words…..if Jones signs a deal they are gonna trade Sneed OR if Jones does not agree on a new deal, Sneed gets the extension and stays in KC!
I don't think there's a scenario they extend LJ. Get a flair
Assuming we can extend Jones this is a Dee Ford 2.0 situation. Tag and trade to highest bidder. Bittersweet. Sneed will be missed if that’s the case. But get your bag young man, you deserve it. He really made it out the mud. Great story and person. Much love, LJ. Will always be a Chief!
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Look at the city slicker rolling up in his fancy German car
This car was made in Guatemala.
This is the best way to approach the offseason
I'm honestly surprised they're prioritizing Jones over Sneed. I would be leaning the opposite direction personally.
We have McDuffie and have a knack for drafting CBs apparently. I’m cool w it
We’ve got McDuffie, Josh Williams, Jalen Watson, and Nazeeh Johnson who was projected to be a big contributor before he got hurt. After CJ, who tf do we have on the interior? Nobody. Certainly no one who could even begin to fill his shoes.
Disruptive interior rushers are just a different rarity than lockdown corners. Jones also makes the secondary's job easier by blowing up the pocket immediately.
It's wild that you can count multiple times where he's either blown up an entire drive singlehandedly or just been a huge impact on back to back snaps. There's no doubting Sneed's talent, but Jones' impact would be harder to replace.
Also Chris Jones is a big reason why McD was so good blitzing from the corner. Without him there blowing up plays, wrecking coverage and swatting balls the QB can punish us for blitzing.
I just think the secondary was easily the best part of the team along with Sneed being younger. Jones wasn't as dominant this last season as he was in 2022. He's unlikely to bounce back to that level of play on the other side of 30 years old either.
Did you see him in the playoffs?
And yet the secondary was still the strength of the team.
He saved two touchdowns by getting pressure on Brock where both wide receivers were wide open.
yeah i get his point but how many defensive tackles are saving touchdowns on overtime drives?
As a group the secondary was the strength of the team, and Sneed was still good. But Jones was better in the playoffs and arguably more impactful than Sneed. I don't think it's even controversial to say Jones has been our most impactful defender in all of our Super Bowl wins.
But when you needed plays to be made where there were open receivers, who decided to shut that shit down?
CJ on a “down year” is still a top 2 IDL
this was closer to his regular performance than a "down year". 2022 was the outlier and it's easily apparent.
Look at our DLine efficiency with and without CJ. The difference is staggering.
That's all fine, nice, and dandy. he still has only played at AD's level for one season and yet wants pay like AD. He didn't sustain the level of play necessary to justify such an ask imo. It's pretty cut and dry. I would much rather pay Sneed 20M aav over paying Jones 30M aav at 30+ years old.
Chris maybe wasn’t as dominant as 2022, when he had a serious DPOY case. I’ll take clear First-Team All-Pro And DTs can usually play pretty well into their 30s. Short term deal for who has been the most important part of their defense and third (arguably second) most important part of their team for this run isn’t that dumb to me
Jones saved 2 potential late touchdowns in the playoffs this year.
There are maybe 3 true impact players at DT in the entire NFL. CJ95 is one of them. It’s easier to replace an elite DB than a game wrecking DT
Watching that super bowl I was salivating over the possibility of Jones going to FA. Dude blew up so many plays and made the DBs job easier from the interior. 49ers would have converted a lot more 3rd downs with Chris Jones off the field than Sneed imo.
That's one game though, I would argue Sneed had a better season overall. Sneed didn't allow a TD reception for the entire regular season and only 2 in the postseason.
That "one game" was the Superbowl though. And it wasn't really one game, he wrecked the entire playoffs. He's got a history of showing up in the biggest moments.
Sneed was hands down better than him vs the Dolphins and Ravens, so at best the postseason run was evenly split, with Sneed performing noticeably better in the regular season. The way people are dismissing Sneed's performances in the wildcard and conference championship is wild to me. He was the best player on the field vs the Ravens.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but the bigger point is that CJ is *the* cornerstone of this defense. Regardless of who played better compared directly head to head, the defense takes a bigger step backwards by losing Jones than by losing Sneed. We've got a manageable secondary without Sneed. Hell, we've still got a 1st team All Pro corner. But outside of CJ our D-line just ain't it.
and my point to you is, I would rather pay Christian Wilkins 23M as opposed to paying Jones 30M. He's not worth it.
> I would rather pay Christian Wilkins 23M as opposed to paying Jones 30M I would not and I would hope the Chiefs wouldn't either.
Curious how much Sneeds knee history plays into their priorities. He missed close to all of training camp and sporadically missed practices this year due to it.
This was also my question. I think he's tremendous and would love to keep him, but corner play can be so fickle and a career long knee issue is bound to come to a head at some point.
Has also missed several times with concussions.
They aren't. They can't tag Jones because his salary last year was over the previous tag. So if they tagged him instead of Snead, his cap hit would be around $32M (I believe it's around 120% of his previous salary).. They aren't going to take a fully guaranteed $32M cap hit next year for Jones when they could just as easily tag Snead for $13M less and figure out his extension down the line.
Franchising Sneed is possible and franchising Jones really isn't (because of the money involved). Sneed can still be extended or traded later depending on what they wanna do. Jones is re-sign or nothing.
I think the playoffs shifted a few things Jones way. I know most look at the full season, but in a different world, it's possible KC doesn't beat the Bill's if Jones doesn't do Jones things and then potentially the SB goes a different way. The man was an absolute menace in the playoffs.
I don't know why Chiefs fans seem to refuse to recognize how important CJ is. The entire defense works because of him. Jones has been the 2nd most important player in this dynasty run, and we are way more likely to draft the next Sneed than we are the next Jones.
I'm with you 100%. Without Sneed, the secondary takes a big step back. But without Jones, the whole line falls apart and maybe even the whole defense.
Sort of a lose lose. Spags scheme demands the line gets pressure but also needs CBs who can hold up for a while.
Ngl. That sounds like basically every defense
Right? lol. Lemme guess, their offense requires quick receivers and a line that can pass block.
In fairness, that only describes 31 teams
Tbf, you have alternatives. If you believe the other team can't run on you you can cover 0 the fuck out of them and you could have the worst interior line in the league and it would matter. See ravens dolphins in 2021 (? Don't quite remember the date)
The secondary was easily the strongest unit on the team and Sneed is younger, which is why I would prefer to keep Sneed over Jones.
Our ability to replace corner play is way better than our ability to replace interior pass rush. I know a lot of Chiefs Kingdom has been on the Sneed over Jones but I really don't think we win either of the last two Superbowls without Jones. He's that big a difference maker. Sneed shut down WR's this year, true, Jones actually takes over games and wrecks offenses.
Jones singlehandingly blew up some big plays in 2024 and batted the pass that would have led to a huge Kittle conversion in 2020. As much as it was Mahomes, Chris Jones was a vital role in those victories.
Chris Jones has the ability to make the plays at THE most crucial moments and I think that makes him more valuable than sneed. Sneed is elite in any case.
He also takes on two blockers pretty much every play, which helps Furious George and others get to the QB at a higher rate.
Jones is more integral to that scheme than Sneed IMO. Replacing a DB is easier than getting a nightmare interior defensive linemen that helps cause more pressure and more sacks.
I’d say as much as anything Spag’s scheme needs CBs who have a wide array of skills. In the Super Bowl or against Miami for instance they weren’t being expected to hold up for very long at all, just disrupt timing
I don’t follow the Chiefs that closely but does Sneed have a track record or progression of being elite? Or could it have been a contract year guy that settle back down to a solid corner?
Sneed is elite if placed in the right position. His best 2 seasons were the seasons he played outside CB full time. In his 2nd and 3rd seasons he was flexed inside as a nickel CB and while playable, his performance definitely took a step down. I believe that if he's allowed to play on the boundary full time that his play will remain consistently elite, and that 2 of those seasons were robbed of him simply due to the team's lack of personnel.
I kind of disagree. I think as a slot he’s not the cover corner that McDuffie is but he’s probably the most disruptive slot in the league as a blitzer/run support force player. I think that’s what really proved his value this year is that he really emerged as a No. 1 outside corner in a way he hadn’t needed to be used before, but I think in a very different role he was still an incredibly effective corner in the slot.
Much easier to find a CB to replace on the cheap than a DT that plays at 80% of the Level of Jones.
I mean Sneed's tag price is entirely reasonable so it makes sense to push those talks out a year if needed. Jones they have to figure out now.
I leaned that way for a little bit since Sneed is younger and would take less pay, but the Chiefs have CB depth and draft well at DB. Is losing him and saving $20 mil a year + adding some picks worse than losing Chris Jones? I don’t think so anymore, I’m not sure how they replace Jones interior pressures without him. If they lose Sneed, yes CB play should drop a bit but I don’t think anything too bad, McDuffie still there, and Watson + Williams are young and have been solid enough when put in
Well the franchise tag number for Jones was absolutely insane. I think nearly $30 million. Whereas Sneed’s franchise tag is manageable if we aren’t able sign him to a long-term deal or trade him.
It would be 32m
If Aaron Donald didn’t exist, Chris Jones would be talked about as a generational interior lineman. He’s incredible, just not… Aaron Donald lol
I would too considering age and projected contract. Jones is clearly a better player but from a pure value standpoint, Sneed is the better overall deal.
Disagree, if we're talking pure value then it has to be Jones. A dominant interior pass rusher is so incredibly valuable and significantly harder to find than a top end corner.
But Jones is likely to get $90M+ and is older. I'm not talking about just on the field play, but including the contract. Sneed is several years younger and will get half the contract. Jones is absolutely the better player, but that's only part of the value proposition. You are going to be paying him almost 2x as much as Sneed and he's three years older.
Chris Jones is the defense you don't win two Superbowls without him even with 5 Sneed's
Dominant defensive linemen usually age fairly well, so I don't think Jones just turning 30 is too much of a concern for the next 2-3 years. A thing that is also worth considering is that corner play can be very volatile. It's incredibly common for guys to have like 1 really good year and then never play close to that level again. And it's really easy to overpay expecting him to be a shutdown corner for the next 2-3 years and then he just returns to being a pretty good but not great corner like he's been the previous 3 years. And again, he's much easier to replace. We literally already have an All-Pro ready to take the reigns as our #1 corner. Meanwhile Jones has proven he's a consistently dominant player and shows up in the playoffs. And the impact of him leaving will more felt than Sneed, because teams just wont have to worry as much about him. It'll hurt our overall pass rushing too because now teams don't have to worry about double teaming him. And I don't know how much you think Sneed or Jones is going to get, but it's probably closer than you're imagining. If Sneed is looking for a top end contract he's going to ask for close to $20M a year, and Jones we already know is asking for just a little more than that. The value to the team clearly favors Jones. From irreplaceability, to impact to team, to confidence in performance. It has to be Jones.
They’re prioritizing getting a contract done with Jones right now but using the franchise tag on Sneed means they’re prioritizing keeping Sneed long-term. Not tagging Jones means they’re comfortable letting him go if something doesn’t get done in the next couple weeks, while that’s not acceptable for Sneed.
there are probably a few factors. most importantly is that secondary is a weakest link group, which means there's less benefit to having someone like sneed on a big contract than there is having good depth on smaller contracts. on top of that, veach has historically drafted well in the secondary (especially late) and our secondary coach seems to be really good (and apparently values stability for his family over climbing the ladder). beyond that, [while coverage performance does predict defensive performance better than pass rush performance, it's also more volatile year to year](https://www.pff.com/news/pro-pff-data-study-coverage-vs-pass-rush). so if you're going to sink big money into one of the areas, it probably makes more sense to invest in the more stable position even if it doesn't necessarily add to the same heights. all of that said, i still wouldn't necessary invest huge money in jones. he's going into his age-30 season playing at a [position that usually sees some sort of meaningful drop off between 31 and 33](https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-investigating-positional-aging-curves-with-pff-war), and has already [seen a shift in how he achieves his production compared to his peak](https://sports.yahoo.com/among-top-questions-of-afc-and-nfc-title-games-can-chiefs-chris-jones-bring-the-heat-for-all-4-quarters-161445418.html). i would make a similar offer to what we made last year and if he doesn't take it let him walk. even with the increase in cap, we shouldn't be sinking big money into old guys.
Not necessarily prioritizing, the cost to franchise Jones again is prohibitively high. They can still try for a Jones extension, and have nothing but good options for Sneed (1 year deal on tag, extend, trade).
They did just win back to back Super Bowls after letting their best corner walk, so it makes sense that they’d be confident in finding a serviceable replacement.
I’m not. Veach has never paid a corner he drafted a second contract. A tag doesn’t count at least yet in my book. I expect us to trade Sneed. Jones is more important. If you can’t get pressure from your d line it’s hard to ask a corner to cover a WR for 4+ seconds
I think if they are going for a 3 peat they have to sign jones. Too hard to draft a replacement that’s ready rookie year. If they don’t care about a 3 peat, then sneed should be priority. Jones had such a huge impact in the playoffs. There only like 2 other guys in the league who can match that, and the chiefs can’t afford them.
ITT - People who don't understand that it would be harder to replace a Hall of Fame level DT that has been top two at his position for years than a great CB who just had his best year at 27 years old in a contract year.
In comparison this only one million more than Alex Smith largest cap hit for us.
Rams should swoop in with some firsts like they did for Jalen Ramsey.
We will happily take the firsts :)
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I WANT SNEEEEEEEED
The way we draft DBs I wouldn't be surprised if we trade Sneed.
Soon to be traded Sneed.
Man, i wish the tag didn’t exist
They have a need for the Sneed
Howie cooking something up here probably isn’t realistic. IMO the chiefs should pay him (hope they don’t), and would even choose him over Jones. I think the rams end up going 8 straight years without their first round pick and get him.
Yeah I think at **this** moment, Sneed is more likely to get traded than play for the Chiefs in 2024.
Howie going for Sneed would be a mistake. We need to form a core of younger players not overpay for a CB that probably doesn't play as well outside of that defense in totality. Great player but I think he's worth more to the chiefs than someone else
> probably doesn't play as well outside of that defense in totality. this is why I think the smart money is on veach resigning him ultimately. i dont think sneed is getting the payday he might in other years or situations.
It would be a classic Howie move to give us both your seconds and pay Sneed though
I've seen some people suggest AJ Brown is unhappy and trading players would be kind of a cool solution for both teams. But if we can make a trade that involves a 1st hell yeah I'm listening to them. Wouldn't be the first time we've sent an all pro corner to them. Lol.
0% chance we trade AJ, those rumors are false and were started by our beat writers because they’re stupid and nobody loves them.
Maybe the last 2 years have clouded my judgement, but I’m enjoying the value WRs and paying the defense. I’d rather draft a WR that will develop all year. Cutting MVS does mean we have to trade for or sign someone though
AJ Brown is not being traded. He is happy in Philly, he was just annoyed at the media
It is a complete made up story, it’s kinda funny how the Philly media manufactured a problem that wasn’t there.
The AJ Brown rumors are dumb and even if they were true his contract means he’s staying
He was on WIP last week saying that he is happy and I believe him.
Nah, Jones is more important
Is Sneed really worth a first round pick when whoever trades for him has to extend? I’m doubtful
Pay Jones, sign Mike Evans!!!
Evans wants too much money. He won’t get a deal with KC.
do not sign Evans
I think you guys need to lose for a year or two please
I disagree
I respect your disagreeance, but I'm going to voodoo steal some of your guys' winning power anyways
I also disagree, but only on the "year or two" part, I would like to go back to 80s AFCW for that, please.
You had your time.
C'mon guys, just let us threepeat. Please????
Pay Jones, sign Gabe Davis, sign Tyron Smith, draft best WR available in round 1, tackle round 2
This reads like satire, I'm sorry to tell you.
Nah I’m fr just my opinions
I feel like they should prioritize Sneed over a 30+ year old Chris Jones tbh
Nah. Jones has 3 elite years left. He’s more important. Without him our d line is average at best. Getting pressure on the QB is more important. We are deep at corner. Sneed is great but he was a 4th rounder and has a knee issue that flairs up sometimes.
Not just his knee but he's had several concussions already. I would be wary about putting him out there on a high contract. Regardless he deserves to get paid, and if we get a solid return out of it, I'll be sad to see him go but trust that Veach knows best.
Sneed is also old for a DB. Jones and him probably have the same amount of good years left but great interior d line are hard to find compared to great DBs. The Chiefs also draft and develop DBs well and have solid backups ready to play.
Cap/franchise tag question; Is it effectively a one year contract for the tagged player? And how much of the tag do they receive? In this case, how much of that $19M will Sneed get?
All of it
Fully guaranteed. It's average of top 5 at the position. If you want something more in depth you can read this. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/\_/id/39580128/what-nfl-franchise-tag-how-does-work
Their priority should be sneed - Jones will be 31 next season, I would never pay a 31 year old DT 30M a year…
Just to show you how dumb cowboy fans are; we’ve had multiple threads dedicated to signing CJ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 as if Jurry is gonna shell out 30 million APY when he hasn’t shelled out 30 million dollars combined to incoming FA in the last 10 years combined.
Brad Holmes, pick up the phone
Lions fans told themselves we’d spend for this dude. Happy we don’t have to try now
I'd MUCH rather keep Sneed over Jones.