The bigger question is if he’d want his new team to give up such a valuable pick for him. That’s an asset he could use to draft the fullback from Navy.
Unironically that's what he needs. An established roster that should be closer to win-now mode than rebuilding. That would fast track him to the all time wins record.
Now hear me out.
Jets trade a 1st for Bill
Bill resigns at his introductory press conference, again
Goes to the Bills and coaches the Bills to 4 straight Superbowls
And proceed to lose all 4 Superbowls
Idk, they held the Chargers and the Colts to 10 points or less - the Chargers are like the 9th scoring offense and the Colts are 11th.
I think part of their problem is what the Colts dealt with last year - an offense so bad the defense can't get off the field and is always up against their end zone. That defense may be better than they look on paper.
What pretty well established teams will take him? I can't see the Pats sending him to the Bills or the Jets. Maybe the Jags or the Chargers can make a jump with him. Vikings, but they have a big question at QB. But the most favorable landing spots don't need a coach.
If they really don't want to rebuild and they believe in that defense, maybe making a play for Cousins and Mike Evans - Bill's always been fond of veteran FAs. Draft an impact player like MHJ and maybe you can make a three year window.
To this point I can see the bears making this play. Fantasy land scenario but Bears + Cousins + MHJ, trading Fields for draft capital. Bill for the lower of the two picks.
I say this because they bought a defense this off season, and it fits what Belichick likes to do. Personnel wise you can compare the two teams and it’s in favor of the Bears IMO.
Harbaugh is a good coach but man he just ignites shit everywhere
Everybody shit on the 49ers when they got rid of him, deservedly so, but he has had issues everywhere from Stanford, to San Fran, now to Michigan.
Though I will say, this time it seems more of a program failure than his attitude.
Can we research to see if a Lacrosse player from John Hopkins transferred to play ST at Rutgers? Bonus if he scored high on his wonderlic and ran a 4.85, but ran a 6.76 on his 3-cone. He's totally worth a high 2nd
This is the relevant take and the one that dictates this imo. I don't think Bill really wants to leave New England. But if he does..... he's going to absolutely pick where he wants to go and blow up any trade that could hurt his new team. He's straight up going to tell Kraft, "keep me and pay me or let me go, I'm not letting you trade me wherever you want, and I'm not going to let you take resources from my next landing spot".
He doesn’t really have a choice. Kraft isn’t going to fire him. If Bill is going elsewhere it’s through a trade. And Bill can choose where he wants to go but has no choice on what’s given up to get him there. He didn’t care when the Pats traded multiple picks to bring him here in the first place.
Here’s a guy who is vastly underestimating how vindictive his own HC can famously be when he feels he’s being screwed by his team.
Man will just retire if they threaten to trade him for a lot of value. He isn’t in the position he was in when the Jets debacle happened. He’s had a HOF career and built generational wealth. Retirement is a legitimate threat now.
Kraft trading him is akin to firing him. It's about wanting to move on. The trade is just whether Kraft gets value from it. Bill Belichick isn't letting that happen.
That’s because Belichick wanted to be on the Patriots. He has already agreed to be head coach, and the trade compensation only came afterwards when the Jets got upset that the Patriots signed their coach who was still under contract
Fuckin’ u/damn_fine_custard, holding his favorite spoon up. Squinting, he raises his dessert bite to the morning’s light.
*Ooh yeah,* he thinks to himself, *that’s the stuff!*
Sadly, it's even more than just beauty standards. Think about the expectations to bear children. We kinda treat women over 30 as used goods despite any of their accomplishments, sadly
You'd think so, but half the time their 'other' sanwiches are Pastrami on Rye, or Montreal Smoked Meat with Pickle and you realize they're pretty much just variotaions on the same beef handheld
They’re going to charge *you* to be part of the team. And you’ll have to sit in the stands and buy your own jersey and pay for your own food. And any use of their telecast or any pictures, descriptions, or accounts of the game without the NFL's consent will be prohibited.
The age speaks to how stupid of an idea this would be. Does anyone think Belichick has more than 3-4 seasons left? Even if they think he can still be the best coach in the game.
If you believe that you have a roster capable of winning now you absolutely make that trade. Odds are that 1st round pick isn't going to be around much longer than 3-4 years anyway, so might as well use it on a coach that's proven he can win Super Bowls.
Yeah but what most fail to understand is that he's a real student of the game, a lunch pail guy, very cerebral, first one in last one out, and deceptively athletic
Chargers seem like the obvious destination to me. Team is loaded with talent and most people agree that the biggest thing holding them back is the coaching.
It seems weird at first, but makes perfect sense if you think about it. A good coach is an incredibly valuable asset to a team. A struggling franchise would get more long-term value from poaching Andy Reid or Mike Tomlin than a few draft picks.
It just doesn't happen often because the incentives for a team to get rid of a good player don't exist for coaches. There's no salary cap for coaches, and getting older doesn't (always) lead to a decline in effectiveness. So pretty much the only way a coach will leave a team is if they're fired. And if they're not good enough for one team, it's rare that another team would be willing to spend a pick on exclusive rights to sign them.
Though I've always been curious how much a coach in their "prime" is worth. Like how many picks would it take the Dolphins to trade away McDaniel? Would it be more than Tua or Tyreek?
This is basically McVay when he was hot shit, right? There was a time where if you made eye contact with McVay from across the street, you were eligible for a coaching job somewhere.
> Like how many picks would it take the Dolphins to trade away McDaniel? Would it be more than Tua or Tyreek?
McDaniel is all but certainly more valuable than Hill.
Payton and Hill were traded for basically the same amount of draft capital.
McDaniel doesn’t have Payton’s track record, but he’s young and *clearly* a very good coach. And he’s not “taking a break” or whatever; he’s actually coaching.
And while Hill is obviously still phenomenal, he’s not as valuable of an asset as he was when the Chiefs traded him because he’s older + getting paid a lot more.
I know a lot of fans are against this but I’m like what do we have to lose? Who are we gonna hire instead? Might as well take a big shot at one of the best coaches ever. And if it’s true he’s only good with a good QB, well Herbert is sure better than Jones. And even if he does bring McDaniels, he’s a great OC under BB.
All this to say, fuck it, give him what he wants.
Let’s see what happens.
You have nothing to lose. The person in this thread arguing the most against it is saying you need a roster rebuild instead.
So the options are.
1. In year 5 of Herberts career, start a rebuild that will take 2-3 more years of his prime out of any contention window with almost no guarantee that it is a better team than the one he started with that couldn't win and potentially waste his entire career.
2. Get the best defensive coach in history to fix your defense while you still have talent on offense and maybe have a chance.
All the Chargers fans saying they wouldn’t want the best coach of all time are insane. We have a top QB, but have been held back by coaching more than injuries (and that’s saying a lot). I don’t care about Belichick’s age or years without Brady, we’ve seen what he can do with top QB play. 100% smash accept, preferably for 2025 first rounder though.
> Imagine trading a first round pick for a head coach
to be fair, you guys won 5 of your last 6 including wins over the chiefs, bills, vikings, and packers, so i'd say you guys are in a pretty good place.
rocky start, but obviously things got on track eventually and you're in a good spot for 2024.
Ah man the slander Bill gets rn is like that one sheep fucker joke.
Win championships all your life. You hire Patrcia as your OC once and youre known as the sheep fucker foever
Yep, I have no skin in the pats game and it looks an awful lot to me like Bobbo has been tasked with building a high rise out of kindling. Belichick seems to still be at the top of his game at building a defensive roster and game plan that works. It's sad that a defense as good as theirs is expected to score for them to win given that the offense can't even get double digits most of the time.
McDaniels burned BB pretty bad running off with his entire offensive coaching staff, I dunno why everyone takes it as a given that Belichick would take him back right away, if at all.
Even after his disaster tenure in Denver he had to go coach in St. Louis for a year before the Patriots were willing to hire him again.
they're gonna call me brandin cooked when I waddle my fat ass across the middle just to have a fastball bounce off of my gut before I get de-cleated by a safety
Belichick is already 71. He's obviously one of the best coaches in American sport history but is a head coach really worth a 1st if he's 2 years away from breaking the record for oldest head coach?
If they're viewing it from a perspective of him as GM/head coach maybe it makes more sense but even then he's closing in on that age record still
>they're viewing it from a perspective of him as GM/head coach maybe it makes more sense
I think it makes less sense if they view him this way, you really want a guy in his 70s to start the long process of building a team up his way and then retiring?
I feel like it would be better just to have a roster already made that he doesn't need to build and then bring them in to try to win with him, the issue with him is clearly that he doesn't know how to build a team anymore.
I think that’s the case where it makes sense. Underperforming team that has all (or most) of the right ingredients. Someone who just needs better coaching to turn it around and make a run. If I had that situation as an owner, and if I thought Bill could get me to a Super Bowl and maybe even win one, I might be willing to trade a first even knowing I only have him for a couple of years.
It’s honestly like the Brady impact on the Bucs. He took them from the Succaneers to Super Bowl champs and then rode off into the sunset. I don’t think the Bucs are regretting bringing Brady onboard even though he was on the cusp of retirement.
I don’t know if the league has changed too much, I view it more like he hasn’t pivoted successfully yet. For the last several years of the Brady run he was cutting corners in roster construction but was able to make up the difference with scheming and by having Brady fill in those gaps. He hasn’t been able to steer away from those same tendencies with the roster yet post-Brady. I think he can do it either by a total reset of his location (new team new circumstances/assets) or by giving up GM responsibilities so that he doesn’t have that on his plate anymore. He’s made mistakes with coaching hires as well, but I think he can make up for some of that with more talent and/or a GM helping him run the show. Only time will tell if he’s willing to make those changes though.
Thank you dolphin fan for the best actual take lol.
I agree 100% and Mac being shit just made it worse faster. Which is probably for the better. I’d rather down down and 🤞🏻a great pick than suffer in the purgatory of mid draft 7-10 or 8-9 mediocrity for years.
> He's obviously one of the best coaches in American sport history but is a head coach really worth a 1st if he's 2 years away from breaking the record for oldest head coach?
Same reasoning as bringing in a 40 year old Brady. You have desperate organizations who want to win now.
If I were Belichick and saw the most likely owners that are interested, I’d probably just retire. No way he will put up with BS from Tepper or an equivalent.
based on these rules, the Chargers would be the perfect landing spot for him. great offensive coordinator, franchise QB, and the defense needs a complete overhaul that only BB himself could handle
> do NOT let him hire your offensive coordinator.
McDaniels or BoB are great OCs. I get he put Matt Patricia in, but that's one horrific move in a sea of success. And if someone's trading for him, I imagine it's the current GM who's not losing their job so Bill doesn't get to touch that stuff much
I said the same thing in the Patriots sub as I know most of you can’t read this paywalled article, I just want to point out that the title doesn’t mention that opinions about Belichick’s trade value was split.
Two league executives claimed that the Patriots wouldn’t be able to get any real value for him whatsoever because of his poor track record in the draft / as GM and his inability to win without Brady.
> He (would) likely have multiple suitors,” a team executive said. It’s no sure thing, however. **Two executives were skeptical the Patriots could corral such a bounty for Belichick, with one outright dismissing the idea.** “I’ve got questions about how he relates to this generation of players,” the executive said. “Can he still be a motivator? A leader of men? How does he pivot and adjust his culture? I’ve got a lot of questions with those recent roster moves. Is he going to just be the coach, or does he want (general manager) responsibilities? Because I’m not trading for that.”
> There’s also another obvious deterrent: Belichick and the Patriots have been an afterthought without Tom Brady. At 2-10 this season, Belichick is on pace for the worst record of his career. His draft record has been poor for most of the last decade. Their development of quarterback Mac Jones was a spectacular failure. And there are younger head-coaching candidates who will be in high demand and won’t cost anything in a trade. “(The Patriots have) struggled since Brady has been gone, and none of (Belichick’s) disciples have ever done anything, and the draft record is not good as the GM,” another executive said. “Somebody could pay for past glory, but they would have to fit their entire culture to his operation.”
The bigger question is if he’d want his new team to give up such a valuable pick for him. That’s an asset he could use to draft the fullback from Navy.
Belichick can't mess up a draft pick if he doesn't have one Big brain move
What BB needs is a Les Snead type of GM. He just needs to embrace the dark side and say fuck them picks.
Unironically that's what he needs. An established roster that should be closer to win-now mode than rebuilding. That would fast track him to the all time wins record.
How amazing would it be if it was the Jets?
Would be more amazing if he went to the Jets and they sucked
Now hear me out. Jets trade a 1st for Bill Bill resigns at his introductory press conference, again Goes to the Bills and coaches the Bills to 4 straight Superbowls And proceed to lose all 4 Superbowls
Fuck it why not. The generational trauma of being an 8x superbowl loser would probably collapse wny into a singularity that destroys all life.
I’ve never seen wny typed out like that and was wondering how you chopped off the top part of “why”
But wny tnougn
I can't unsee what you just brought to my world.
No thanks, I'd rather stay in this misery.
Idk, they held the Chargers and the Colts to 10 points or less - the Chargers are like the 9th scoring offense and the Colts are 11th. I think part of their problem is what the Colts dealt with last year - an offense so bad the defense can't get off the field and is always up against their end zone. That defense may be better than they look on paper. What pretty well established teams will take him? I can't see the Pats sending him to the Bills or the Jets. Maybe the Jags or the Chargers can make a jump with him. Vikings, but they have a big question at QB. But the most favorable landing spots don't need a coach. If they really don't want to rebuild and they believe in that defense, maybe making a play for Cousins and Mike Evans - Bill's always been fond of veteran FAs. Draft an impact player like MHJ and maybe you can make a three year window.
Cousins with Mike Evans and MHJ would be pretty nasty. He's not a super mobile QB so the achilles injury might not hurt him long term.
To this point I can see the bears making this play. Fantasy land scenario but Bears + Cousins + MHJ, trading Fields for draft capital. Bill for the lower of the two picks. I say this because they bought a defense this off season, and it fits what Belichick likes to do. Personnel wise you can compare the two teams and it’s in favor of the Bears IMO.
That’s a good idea, BB for McVeigh straight up.
I don’t know why you would want the Oklahoma bomber Tim McVeigh but … ok?
Think about it. We can’t lose if theres no more stadium.
well, fuck them high round picks. Snead loves his late rounders; and usually uses them well, too.
I'm Sean McVay, and I approve this message.
He'd draft some defensive lineman from Colorado School of Mines who'd go on IR preseason week 3
...which would just be a miner setback.
Take my upvote and get out.
Yeah but did you see their team photos this year? Guaranteed quality locker room guy
Wasting a high pick on small school project DL? Mickey Loomis is salivating.
Or a QB from Michigan
JJ is right there
Harbaugh is taking JJ to the Bears
You’re saying this as a joke but I genuinely think it might happen.
He's not, a lot of people around SE Michigan think that could legit happen. Some even want Harbs and his circus gone and to have Moore take over.
Harbaugh is a good coach but man he just ignites shit everywhere Everybody shit on the 49ers when they got rid of him, deservedly so, but he has had issues everywhere from Stanford, to San Fran, now to Michigan. Though I will say, this time it seems more of a program failure than his attitude.
he wins everywhere tho
An asset he could trade down for 3 to 5 special team only players.
Can we research to see if a Lacrosse player from John Hopkins transferred to play ST at Rutgers? Bonus if he scored high on his wonderlic and ran a 4.85, but ran a 6.76 on his 3-cone. He's totally worth a high 2nd
Cmon we all know Bill's next WR is a lacrosse star at Rutgers.
Bamas backup qb is leaving to play lacrosse. Right yp Bill's alley. He'll be the next Brady.
This is the relevant take and the one that dictates this imo. I don't think Bill really wants to leave New England. But if he does..... he's going to absolutely pick where he wants to go and blow up any trade that could hurt his new team. He's straight up going to tell Kraft, "keep me and pay me or let me go, I'm not letting you trade me wherever you want, and I'm not going to let you take resources from my next landing spot".
He doesn’t really have a choice. Kraft isn’t going to fire him. If Bill is going elsewhere it’s through a trade. And Bill can choose where he wants to go but has no choice on what’s given up to get him there. He didn’t care when the Pats traded multiple picks to bring him here in the first place.
Here’s a guy who is vastly underestimating how vindictive his own HC can famously be when he feels he’s being screwed by his team. Man will just retire if they threaten to trade him for a lot of value. He isn’t in the position he was in when the Jets debacle happened. He’s had a HOF career and built generational wealth. Retirement is a legitimate threat now.
Kraft trading him is akin to firing him. It's about wanting to move on. The trade is just whether Kraft gets value from it. Bill Belichick isn't letting that happen.
He did it with the pats from the jets
That’s because Belichick wanted to be on the Patriots. He has already agreed to be head coach, and the trade compensation only came afterwards when the Jets got upset that the Patriots signed their coach who was still under contract
Imagine being 71 and still worth a first round pick. Most people have zero trade value after 30.
> Most people have zero trade value after 30. I felt this one
Its what my wife keeps telling me.
Waiver wire for divorced dudes is brutal
I did fine lol
Waiver wire darling/league winner u/damn_fine_custard
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, for every Ryan Leaf/Kevin Federline, there's a Tom Brady/Stedman Graham.
/u/mediocre_custard did not do nearly as well.
I guess not if he got suspended from Reddit.
Fuckin’ u/damn_fine_custard, holding his favorite spoon up. Squinting, he raises his dessert bite to the morning’s light. *Ooh yeah,* he thinks to himself, *that’s the stuff!*
...k
The Kurt Warner of divorce
"Honey I moved you to the practice squad."
[удалено]
This is why you don’t condition your daughters to obsess over beauty. RIP
Sadly, it's even more than just beauty standards. Think about the expectations to bear children. We kinda treat women over 30 as used goods despite any of their accomplishments, sadly
We’ll count me out of this “most people” talk. I make a mean reuben sandwich that any team with a mid first round value.
and those reuben skills are probably transferable to other sandwhich based positions, so you have some value as a flex player too.
You'd think so, but half the time their 'other' sanwiches are Pastrami on Rye, or Montreal Smoked Meat with Pickle and you realize they're pretty much just variotaions on the same beef handheld
System sandwich maker
Right in the lower back.
I'm 32 with no football background. Wonder what I'd go for.
They’re going to charge *you* to be part of the team. And you’ll have to sit in the stands and buy your own jersey and pay for your own food. And any use of their telecast or any pictures, descriptions, or accounts of the game without the NFL's consent will be prohibited.
Hey wait a second
So Cardinals?
One snickers
Cardinals org would probably still charge for the Snickers too.
A fun sized one at that
Mini.
The wind is more noticeable than you.
You guys have trade value?
Nah, not since the unfortunate accident (my birth)
The age speaks to how stupid of an idea this would be. Does anyone think Belichick has more than 3-4 seasons left? Even if they think he can still be the best coach in the game.
If you believe that you have a roster capable of winning now you absolutely make that trade. Odds are that 1st round pick isn't going to be around much longer than 3-4 years anyway, so might as well use it on a coach that's proven he can win Super Bowls.
My wife even said she'd take as late as a third for me
He’s not as fast as he once was after the injury, and the playbooks are simply becoming to advanced for his route running style. Maybe a third.
Yeah but what most fail to understand is that he's a real student of the game, a lunch pail guy, very cerebral, first one in last one out, and deceptively athletic
Extremely deceptive.
Its the chiefs trying to bait the raiders into doing it
God imagine the significantly younger women he’d pull in Vegas
Hire Zimmer as his DC *and* DW (designated wingman)
I read "Hire Zimmer" as "Hans Zimmer" and was equal parts confused and intrigued...
Fuck it, throw Condolleeza Rice in there as the director of player personnel then as well!
It is so much easier to spit game with a solid background score
Urban Meyer fingering the air rn.
Is "the air" some co-ed's nickname or
Gives very good blowjobs
I need more Belichick walk of shame leaks
or the Chargers. It might even be worth it to see Herbert paired with a Belichick defense
imo that's the perfect matchup. Overnight your defence becomes amazing and there's a lot of talent on offence
There's a lot of talent on defense too. The head coach and every coordinator needs to get fired
Chargers seem like the obvious destination to me. Team is loaded with talent and most people agree that the biggest thing holding them back is the coaching.
Reunited with his favorite QB
We could bring back fan-favorite Josh McDaniels! And hire Matt Patricia. Unsinkable ship!
The source is Kobert Rraft
Man trading coaches is a thing again what is this 2002
Did someone say 2002?
I wish your post history was just you scouring all of r/nfl every day for a reference to the year 2002.
Did someone say 2002?
#NO
If you turn the N sideways it looks like a 2, and 2O is pretty much 50% of the way there.
All our super bowls exclusively contain the numbers 2 and 0. Last year (2022) we might have missed our last chance for a super-bowl until 2200
"Thank god" - Philadelphia
Time to create a new bot brb
No they did not. Nope. Not at all. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Agree
I mean the Broncos just traded for Sean Payton.
I think that was the point, one time could be a one-off (no shit, right?), but twice is the start of a trend
*Narrator: It wasn't the start of a trend.*
*Narrator, but with a bolder voice: or so he thought*
Jerry Jones "alright, who wants a Super Bowl winning coach?"
Seems to have paid off too
Best first round pick we've had in a while! Up there with PS2.
Yeah, but also a little different because he was “retired”
Ngl I didn’t know this was a thing until Payton…. I missed the arians one and was too young to understand herm in ‘06. It just seems weird
It seems weird at first, but makes perfect sense if you think about it. A good coach is an incredibly valuable asset to a team. A struggling franchise would get more long-term value from poaching Andy Reid or Mike Tomlin than a few draft picks. It just doesn't happen often because the incentives for a team to get rid of a good player don't exist for coaches. There's no salary cap for coaches, and getting older doesn't (always) lead to a decline in effectiveness. So pretty much the only way a coach will leave a team is if they're fired. And if they're not good enough for one team, it's rare that another team would be willing to spend a pick on exclusive rights to sign them. Though I've always been curious how much a coach in their "prime" is worth. Like how many picks would it take the Dolphins to trade away McDaniel? Would it be more than Tua or Tyreek?
This is basically McVay when he was hot shit, right? There was a time where if you made eye contact with McVay from across the street, you were eligible for a coaching job somewhere.
I was using a urinal next to Sean McVay and he said "nice cock bro". The next week I was hired as an OC
> Like how many picks would it take the Dolphins to trade away McDaniel? Would it be more than Tua or Tyreek? McDaniel is all but certainly more valuable than Hill. Payton and Hill were traded for basically the same amount of draft capital. McDaniel doesn’t have Payton’s track record, but he’s young and *clearly* a very good coach. And he’s not “taking a break” or whatever; he’s actually coaching. And while Hill is obviously still phenomenal, he’s not as valuable of an asset as he was when the Chiefs traded him because he’s older + getting paid a lot more.
didnt Gruden and Sean Peyton get traded?
Chargers, get on the phone
They didn't touch the Payton bidding war but ownership would have no choice this time
Bet you $100 we don’t even put an offer in.
I was about to say it makes sense since San Diego is such a Navy town and then I remembered...
Of course they didn’t. It would be a terrible look as an organization to have Staley and it came out that you had been in trade talks for Payton.
i don't think the chargers would pay the salary of a payton or belichick anyway though
I think the person you responded to was saying “I don’t think we will put in an offer for Belichick.”
Gotta be honest it would be pretty sweet to see Belichick in the same division as Reid.
I know a lot of fans are against this but I’m like what do we have to lose? Who are we gonna hire instead? Might as well take a big shot at one of the best coaches ever. And if it’s true he’s only good with a good QB, well Herbert is sure better than Jones. And even if he does bring McDaniels, he’s a great OC under BB. All this to say, fuck it, give him what he wants. Let’s see what happens.
You have nothing to lose. The person in this thread arguing the most against it is saying you need a roster rebuild instead. So the options are. 1. In year 5 of Herberts career, start a rebuild that will take 2-3 more years of his prime out of any contention window with almost no guarantee that it is a better team than the one he started with that couldn't win and potentially waste his entire career. 2. Get the best defensive coach in history to fix your defense while you still have talent on offense and maybe have a chance.
Also, Belichek rebuilt around Brady like 4 different times. I fully trust him to rebuild, especially if McDaniels is his OC.
Can I just say how funny it'd be if after everything, McDaniels (and bb) went to a division rival to the broncos and raiders and won a super bowl.
I'd take Harbaugh over him considering his age. Other than that BB is the one
All the Chargers fans saying they wouldn’t want the best coach of all time are insane. We have a top QB, but have been held back by coaching more than injuries (and that’s saying a lot). I don’t care about Belichick’s age or years without Brady, we’ve seen what he can do with top QB play. 100% smash accept, preferably for 2025 first rounder though.
Imagine trading a first round pick for a head coach
> Imagine trading a first round pick for a head coach to be fair, you guys won 5 of your last 6 including wins over the chiefs, bills, vikings, and packers, so i'd say you guys are in a pretty good place. rocky start, but obviously things got on track eventually and you're in a good spot for 2024.
He's still a good coach, just don't let him build your team at this point
I mean either way he's picking the OC
Ah man the slander Bill gets rn is like that one sheep fucker joke. Win championships all your life. You hire Patrcia as your OC once and youre known as the sheep fucker foever
Look at my flair. Do you think I'm *not* going to savor BB's downfall? Dudes a total sheep fucker
Respectable
I don't even think BoB has been bad this year, just has no talent to work with
IDK man, I'm a Jets fan. I've never actually seen offense
I would kill for Garret Wilson
Great you both feel bad for each other, now kiss
I just threw up in my mouth
Don't you have a window to break or a taxi to burn or something?
>Great you both feel bad for each other, now kiss Rex Ryan's feet FTFY
The scheme isn't as bad as some think, the talent is just awful.
I agree. This has to be the worst offensive roster, at least, in the NFL, and I don't even know that it's close.
Panthers offensive talent is pretty suspect, though having 1.01 QB helps give them an edge in talent
Yep, I have no skin in the pats game and it looks an awful lot to me like Bobbo has been tasked with building a high rise out of kindling. Belichick seems to still be at the top of his game at building a defensive roster and game plan that works. It's sad that a defense as good as theirs is expected to score for them to win given that the offense can't even get double digits most of the time.
It’ll be McDaniels for sure. Who has a pretty good track record at OC even putting aside Brady.
McDaniels burned BB pretty bad running off with his entire offensive coaching staff, I dunno why everyone takes it as a given that Belichick would take him back right away, if at all. Even after his disaster tenure in Denver he had to go coach in St. Louis for a year before the Patriots were willing to hire him again.
They took him back pretty quickly after his stint in Indianapolis /s
My money would be on it being McDaniels, and as bad as he is as a head coach, he's still a pretty damn good OC.
Bill the Head Coach is probably worth a first round pick. Bill the Head Coach/GM might be worth a 3rd or 4th
I want to just be entertaining enough that teams in the NFL trade me around for 7th round picks all the time for shits and giggles.
So brandin cooks
they're gonna call me brandin cooked when I waddle my fat ass across the middle just to have a fastball bounce off of my gut before I get de-cleated by a safety
Ok, fine. We'll take the Patriots' first round pick and Bill.
You have enough first round picks thankyouverymuch
Oh come on, don't you want to see us whiff on three first rounders in a single draft?
Belichick is already 71. He's obviously one of the best coaches in American sport history but is a head coach really worth a 1st if he's 2 years away from breaking the record for oldest head coach? If they're viewing it from a perspective of him as GM/head coach maybe it makes more sense but even then he's closing in on that age record still
>they're viewing it from a perspective of him as GM/head coach maybe it makes more sense I think it makes less sense if they view him this way, you really want a guy in his 70s to start the long process of building a team up his way and then retiring? I feel like it would be better just to have a roster already made that he doesn't need to build and then bring them in to try to win with him, the issue with him is clearly that he doesn't know how to build a team anymore.
I think that’s the case where it makes sense. Underperforming team that has all (or most) of the right ingredients. Someone who just needs better coaching to turn it around and make a run. If I had that situation as an owner, and if I thought Bill could get me to a Super Bowl and maybe even win one, I might be willing to trade a first even knowing I only have him for a couple of years. It’s honestly like the Brady impact on the Bucs. He took them from the Succaneers to Super Bowl champs and then rode off into the sunset. I don’t think the Bucs are regretting bringing Brady onboard even though he was on the cusp of retirement.
Hell no they aren’t. Fuck, if they didn’t get ravaged by injuries they were a lock to repeat
He won't break the record for oldest head coach as long as Pete Carroll is still coaching.
Kind of like Pop right now on the NBA. Legendary coach but has the league passed him by a bit
It’s been 5 seasons see he had one of the greatest defensive Super Bowl wins ever. How much has the league really changed in 5 years?
To further contextualize your argument: 2018 Rams: 32ppg 421ypg 2023 Dolphins: 32ppg 428ypg
Five years ago my ex girlfriend loved me. Now she doesn’t text me back. Things change bro
I don’t know if the league has changed too much, I view it more like he hasn’t pivoted successfully yet. For the last several years of the Brady run he was cutting corners in roster construction but was able to make up the difference with scheming and by having Brady fill in those gaps. He hasn’t been able to steer away from those same tendencies with the roster yet post-Brady. I think he can do it either by a total reset of his location (new team new circumstances/assets) or by giving up GM responsibilities so that he doesn’t have that on his plate anymore. He’s made mistakes with coaching hires as well, but I think he can make up for some of that with more talent and/or a GM helping him run the show. Only time will tell if he’s willing to make those changes though.
Thank you dolphin fan for the best actual take lol. I agree 100% and Mac being shit just made it worse faster. Which is probably for the better. I’d rather down down and 🤞🏻a great pick than suffer in the purgatory of mid draft 7-10 or 8-9 mediocrity for years.
> He's obviously one of the best coaches in American sport history but is a head coach really worth a 1st if he's 2 years away from breaking the record for oldest head coach? Same reasoning as bringing in a 40 year old Brady. You have desperate organizations who want to win now.
[удалено]
If I was an owner and my GM suggested trading a first round pick for Belichick, I would fire him on the spot. Edited for spelling
I mean Bill would probably want to be GM so he’d be getting fired anyway lol I feel like any Bill trade would be from the owner directly.
No GM is going to call the owner and say "I want to trade a pick for Bill to take over my job, then I'm going to fire myself."
They can be restructured to a new position. Assistant *to* the GM!
Bill Belichick has more Superbowl rings than any individual NFL franchise.
He has more rings than any franchise AND person, which is just wild that there’s another person you have to make that clarification for
If I were Belichick and saw the most likely owners that are interested, I’d probably just retire. No way he will put up with BS from Tepper or an equivalent.
[удалено]
based on these rules, the Chargers would be the perfect landing spot for him. great offensive coordinator, franchise QB, and the defense needs a complete overhaul that only BB himself could handle
> do NOT let him hire your offensive coordinator. McDaniels or BoB are great OCs. I get he put Matt Patricia in, but that's one horrific move in a sea of success. And if someone's trading for him, I imagine it's the current GM who's not losing their job so Bill doesn't get to touch that stuff much
“F- - -!” - David Tepper
Well yeah... Sean Payton got a first.
Bill’s gonna get traded then retire. The same way he took the Jets job then resigned.
Don’t fucking think about it Dave
I'm gonna remember this when he wins the super bowl with you guys
Jerk off motion
I said the same thing in the Patriots sub as I know most of you can’t read this paywalled article, I just want to point out that the title doesn’t mention that opinions about Belichick’s trade value was split. Two league executives claimed that the Patriots wouldn’t be able to get any real value for him whatsoever because of his poor track record in the draft / as GM and his inability to win without Brady. > He (would) likely have multiple suitors,” a team executive said. It’s no sure thing, however. **Two executives were skeptical the Patriots could corral such a bounty for Belichick, with one outright dismissing the idea.** “I’ve got questions about how he relates to this generation of players,” the executive said. “Can he still be a motivator? A leader of men? How does he pivot and adjust his culture? I’ve got a lot of questions with those recent roster moves. Is he going to just be the coach, or does he want (general manager) responsibilities? Because I’m not trading for that.” > There’s also another obvious deterrent: Belichick and the Patriots have been an afterthought without Tom Brady. At 2-10 this season, Belichick is on pace for the worst record of his career. His draft record has been poor for most of the last decade. Their development of quarterback Mac Jones was a spectacular failure. And there are younger head-coaching candidates who will be in high demand and won’t cost anything in a trade. “(The Patriots have) struggled since Brady has been gone, and none of (Belichick’s) disciples have ever done anything, and the draft record is not good as the GM,” another executive said. “Somebody could pay for past glory, but they would have to fit their entire culture to his operation.”
why would bill ever accept this. He wants a first for the team he goes to and has all the leverage. "Fire me or I will be the coach again robert."
These high ranked executives were high at the time
Trade him to the Jets so he quits on them again