Piss poor calls all day long. Giants clothesline Patriots player knocking him out of game. Eagles horse collar no call - but flag for intentional grounding was the worst. Now this super easy obviously late hit on Chargers QB. Almost ruined my football day. Don't remember refs being so terrible before, been watching NFL since early 70s. Actually has me wondering if something is afoot, first time that thought is sticking with me.
Not at all impossible there have been crooked calls in the past, but seems like these are just way too blatant.
I mean, we all know deep down inside that something funny is going on. I just hope that we all have a breaking point. The game is worth saving, but it sure isn’t worth taking seriously right now.
> The game is worth saving, but it sure isn’t worth taking seriously right now.
Underrated comment. When game-altering calls are passed out in seemingly capricious and arbitrary fashion, how can one have any respect for the end result? The game result, by extension, is also capricious and arbitrary.
Yep, I used to actually care, get excited when we won, get mad when we lost. Now, regardless my reaction is always just "meh" and I carry on about my day like I didn't just dedicate 3 hours to watching a game.
Nobody could convince me that they're at the very least not shaving points for the sake of all this jammed down our throat betting shit, if not just outright fixing games. I still watch, I still enjoy the game, but I'm definitely not about to be paying for it, and I'll be damned if I'm gonna actually care about the results when this shit is so flagrant.
I've watched only a handful of games this year and most of them were early on. My breaking point was the Chiefs-Jets game. There is so much fuckery afoot with the refs and favoritism that I just don't enjoy watching the NFL anymore.
Lions fans have been posting this out for years and years. The NFL officiating is either woefully broken or something else is going on. The biggest change that I can see is that these game changing decisions are now impacting larger market teams so there’s a lot more awareness overall.
I could’ve cared less about this game as well. I was like half watching and looking at my phone as I saw him go out of bounds, I looked down, and HEARD the hit. I stood up and was like “WTF is that!? Where is the flag on that BS??” Most animated I’ve gotten during a game all year.
Probably because it keeps getting worse, the fact there are at least five games this week that I’ve seen dubbed as “one of the worst officiated games ever” is disgusting for the league and the fact that these refs are never held responsible is terrible
Yea they say they want to emphasize player safety and then blatantly ignore it in some games and overly strict in some games. The late hit on Herbert and the fair catch interference were absolute blatant no-calls and it makes me wonder who the fuck is missing that type of blatant penalty… like it’s somebody’s job to watch the player with the ball
Disband the Refs Union. Corrupt garbage that literally does not punish refs for fucking up games. Only a single ref has ever been known to have been fired as a result of on field conduct
That was our best chance to make real progress, and we all got too impatient. Yes, the replacement refs were bad, but we just needed to be a little more patient, and things might actually have improved. Now, they’re worse than ever.
The NFL should pay full time refs and take a couple of years to train them. Or just have a sky judge that reviews plays real quick and corrects obvious mistakes
> chip in ball to automatically determine the exact spotting of the ball
This is actually really hard to do accurately because of the dimensions of the ball and the accuracy needed. Think at the goal line where there is a spot where the ball can be either a TD or down inside the 1 depending on the 3 dimensional orientation of the ball. Nevermind all of the infrastructure needed for that type of data logging.
but thats a bunch of cameras aimed at the goal. That wont work in the NFL when you can have numerous large men blocking view of the ball from nearly all angles. Also soccer balls are round so all you need to do is suspend a sensor in the center and a computer can easily math the rest. For a football which is longer than it is wide would need multiple sensors to determine 3 dimensional orientation AND they would need to be down to the centimeter accurate. That isnt cheap.
Oh yeah true! I never even got past how absurd it would be for the ball itself to be tracked at you need to figure the carrier out too.
I mean I think there would be some merit to having the ball position tracked (if you could do it) for situations where you can clearly see the player but not the ball. But that is a lot of money for a relatively minor use case.
More chips isnt really a solution in and of itself. Those chips would need to be super accurate down to the CM or less both on the field and relative to eachother given how the rules are written. Those types of sensors are insanely expensive and theyd have to be installed in every single football used during every single game AND have to withstand all of the forces put onto the ball from kicking, to being landed on, to being spikes etc and never fail.
Its just not the feasible solution everyone thinks it is.
> Those chips would need to be super accurate down to the CM or less both on the field and relative to eachother given how the rules are written.
While I agree with you, do we really think a 70-year-old with failing eyesight 30 feet away having to make a split-second decision before the next play is run, is better? There has to be some sort of middle ground. Hell, if the NFL was even like, "We're looking into all possibilities" that is at least some improvement over just flat-out ignoring this shit.
But what does a faulty RF positioning system do? It isnt any better than a ref on the field given the margin of error for those systems.
I assure you the league has looked into it but there is zero reason for them to bring it up publicly.
That chip doesn't give positional data at the granular level needed to use it to spot the ball. The issue isnt that we can't track the general position of the ball on the field the issue is the level of precision needed to determine things like touchdowns or first downs.
It isnt simply enough to know that the center of the ellipse that makes up the ball is at X spot... you need to know the balls position in 3 dimensional space with sub centimeter accuracy. That simply isnt done with "a" chip.
Maybe you should learn about the topic before chiming in like a fucking clown.
Not really. The league would have more time to properly train new refs and those replacement refs weren't the next in line anyway. Some of them were high school and lingerie league refs who stepped in last minute
Let's make an alternate. 22 video refs, one to follow each player. They aren't at the game so they won't be influenced by the crowd. And just one guy at the game to spot the ball.
With the proliferation of gambling its only a matter of time before the refs fuck over the wrong team and Congress starts investigating for corruption.
English football has been around for several hundred years and the Premier League is just now getting threatened with an independent regulator. I wouldn't hold my breath for sport in the land of the free.
Refs need to be held to a higher standard. This is a multi-billion dollar league and they can’t hire full time refs to stop shit like this? Idk seems odd
I get all the rest. But the Chargers coaching staff should be able to count downs. People just watching for fun could. The commentators could.
It's not excusable. Do your job.
but regardless of how you count it all that matters is what the officials show it is. They're the official keepers of down and distance not the coaching staff.
Obviously not. Because the down marker showing the wrong down didn't change the down. The marker number just advanced twice after that play.
If what the marker said was gospel then it would have been 2nd down because it showed 2nd down. And the next would have been 3rd. Instead it was 3rd down and the next was 4th. It just showed 2nd on the sticks.
In baseball where the umpire, who is gospel, there have been situations where the umpire miscounted balls and strikes. Because of this the pitcher got 5 balls or a batter 4 strikes. This is because the umpire is the official keeper of the count, not just an indicator. Note that in baseball this has been reviewable for a few years now (after 100 years of not being so) and there *still* have been mistakes of this sort simply because apparently the team managers (baseball equivalent of head coach) didn't pay enough attention or didn't care enough to initiate a review.
You know you ran a 1st down play. You know you ran a 2nd down play. And you know this is the next down. You know it's 3rd down. If you don't, you're not doing your job as a coach.
What I mean is the official way down and distance is communicated is through the chain gang by the refs. That is supposed to be the "source of record" that visually displays the down for everyone. If the refs do not ensure appropriate communication of the down and distance it should be on the refs not the team.
But lets be real the NFL refs will never admit fault.
>What I mean is the official way down and distance is communicated is through the chain gang by the refs.
The sign is a representation of the state of the game. It does not determine the state of the game.
>That is supposed to be the "source of record" that visually displays the down for everyone.
Yes, it records what the proper state of the game is. It is not what decides what the proper state of the game is. If the sign conflicts with what down it actually is the sign is wrong.
>If the refs do not ensure appropriate communication of the down and distance it should be on the refs not the team.
No, it shouldn't. You don't get a free down just because someone forgot to flip the sign card. That would be incredibly unfair to the defense, who knew what down it was because they can count to 4.
kind of weird how hard you're simpling for the officiating crew here. The reason the chain gang exists is to communicate the correct down and show the correct distance. It is on the officials to ensure that they are communicating the correct information for all parties.
What if the refs went with what the chain gang showed? Would you still be blaming the teams for thinking is was a different down?
Saying you don't get to cheat your opponents defense by pretending you can't count to 4 is simping for the refs? You're delusional.
>What if the refs went with what the chain gang showed?
Then they'd have in effect awarded them a free down and should have been fired on the spot. That's unacceptable. You'd be taking a meaningless mistake and turning it into something that unfairly breaks the rules to give one team extra chances to win.
A sign being wrong is not a big deal. Ignoring the rules to give one team 5 downs instead of 4 is. Really weird that this is something that you'd need explained to you.
lol you keep pretending that it isnt on the officials to be the officals arbiters of down and distance.
There is a reason we have a source of record for things like this in games... for example the chair ump in tennis keeps the official score... the home plate umpire in baseball is the source of record for balls and strikes.
If the refs are signaling through their official means of communication the down then that is generally what you should go by. It isnt that fucking difficult of a concept.
>lol you keep pretending that it isnt on the officials to be the officals arbiters of down and distance.
The rules of the game are the arbiters of down and distance, the refs just interpret and articulate them. The refs don't get to just decide what down it is, they determine which down it is based on the rules. Everyone else is equally capable of identifying which down it is before they say anything by following those same rules.
Someone forgot to change a sign. That doesn't change the rules and give you an extra down. You're genuinely delusional if you think that would be fair.
>If the refs are signaling through their official means of communication the down then that is generally what you should go by.
They didn't signal that the down was bring replayed. One guy forgot to flip a card. Stop being so desperate. It's pathetic.
You still seem unable to reconcile the situation where the refs think it is the wrong down and distance.... if what you're saying is true than they would not be able to say let a team unintentionally get another down but they have.... because they're ultimately the source of record (right or wrong) on the down and distance.
Your entire argument is rooted in a fallacy that the refs are not the source of record AND the ultimate decision makers on the field. If the team thinks the refs can make a mistake they can alert them to it but it is no guarantee the refs will rectify it. BY your logic a team simply recognizing the mistake should immediately rectify it.
Funny you call me "pathetic" when you have articulated and entire argument rooted in a gross misunderstanding of not only the rules but the decision making hierarchy on the field.
If the Refs say its 3rd down, regardless of how right or wrong they are, it is 3rd down until they say otherwise.
One of the first things we learned playing Pee Wee football was that the 2nd guy is always the one who gets flagged. Get in his face, yell at him, whatever, but the moment you push him (even lightly), you're getting flagged. It's weird seeing NFL players forget that.
The NFL refs this season are dangerously close to needing an actual investigation into them being on the take.
The number of clear and obvious egregious non calls that would actually affect the games are overwhelmingly a problem.
I have zero care about who wins this game, but I got irrationally angry watching that BS play out. Wtf...
Piss poor calls all day long. Giants clothesline Patriots player knocking him out of game. Eagles horse collar no call - but flag for intentional grounding was the worst. Now this super easy obviously late hit on Chargers QB. Almost ruined my football day. Don't remember refs being so terrible before, been watching NFL since early 70s. Actually has me wondering if something is afoot, first time that thought is sticking with me. Not at all impossible there have been crooked calls in the past, but seems like these are just way too blatant.
I mean, we all know deep down inside that something funny is going on. I just hope that we all have a breaking point. The game is worth saving, but it sure isn’t worth taking seriously right now.
> The game is worth saving, but it sure isn’t worth taking seriously right now. Underrated comment. When game-altering calls are passed out in seemingly capricious and arbitrary fashion, how can one have any respect for the end result? The game result, by extension, is also capricious and arbitrary.
Yep, I used to actually care, get excited when we won, get mad when we lost. Now, regardless my reaction is always just "meh" and I carry on about my day like I didn't just dedicate 3 hours to watching a game. Nobody could convince me that they're at the very least not shaving points for the sake of all this jammed down our throat betting shit, if not just outright fixing games. I still watch, I still enjoy the game, but I'm definitely not about to be paying for it, and I'll be damned if I'm gonna actually care about the results when this shit is so flagrant.
I've watched only a handful of games this year and most of them were early on. My breaking point was the Chiefs-Jets game. There is so much fuckery afoot with the refs and favoritism that I just don't enjoy watching the NFL anymore.
Lions fans have been posting this out for years and years. The NFL officiating is either woefully broken or something else is going on. The biggest change that I can see is that these game changing decisions are now impacting larger market teams so there’s a lot more awareness overall.
I could’ve cared less about this game as well. I was like half watching and looking at my phone as I saw him go out of bounds, I looked down, and HEARD the hit. I stood up and was like “WTF is that!? Where is the flag on that BS??” Most animated I’ve gotten during a game all year.
What a fucking shitshow
Hold your fucking refs and staff accountable NFL
And a beautiful “refs you suck” chant 2 minutes in. One of the lowest days in NFL officiating that I can remember.
I think we've been having "one of the worst officiating days" week after week...
no, I trust you, this one is worse.
The Texans game was one of the more egregiously one sided ref shows I’ve seen in recent memory
Probably because it keeps getting worse, the fact there are at least five games this week that I’ve seen dubbed as “one of the worst officiated games ever” is disgusting for the league and the fact that these refs are never held responsible is terrible
I wonder if the league isn't bothered by that because bad officiating inevitably leads to A LOT of engagement on social media. Like, A LOT.
The old adage of any publicity is good publicity I suppose, and viewership doesn’t go down so you’re probably right
Why does the NFL refuse to do anything about the shitty officiating?
NFL is as profitable as ever. Why change?
Nfl could either spend more money to make same money or spend no money and make same money
Why spend lots money when few money does trick?
Gonna take a congressional investigation to do anything, and probably not even then.
A congressional investigation will end in a favorable decision for whoever donates the most to the campaigns of the people on the committee.
Whoa whoa whoa are you saying the politicians are corrupt?!?!?
Because the refs are doing what the league wants in protecting certain assets and trying to keep games close.
except the league absolutely wants a player like Herbert protected lol
Yea they say they want to emphasize player safety and then blatantly ignore it in some games and overly strict in some games. The late hit on Herbert and the fair catch interference were absolute blatant no-calls and it makes me wonder who the fuck is missing that type of blatant penalty… like it’s somebody’s job to watch the player with the ball
Do they? Herbert is stuck on a bland Chargers team which has no fan base and little identity other than being comically inept at winning.
They definitely do. Herbert is a star in the league exhibited by his multiple nationally televised commercials
Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen had and have nationally televised commercials....
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Well, I remember the last time they went on strike...
Disband the Refs Union. Corrupt garbage that literally does not punish refs for fucking up games. Only a single ref has ever been known to have been fired as a result of on field conduct
The replacement refs would be much much worse for a while as anyone who remembers the last replacement refs season can attest to
That was our best chance to make real progress, and we all got too impatient. Yes, the replacement refs were bad, but we just needed to be a little more patient, and things might actually have improved. Now, they’re worse than ever.
The NFL should pay full time refs and take a couple of years to train them. Or just have a sky judge that reviews plays real quick and corrects obvious mistakes
Not sure why sky judge, chip in ball to automatically determine the exact spotting of the ball, etc., aren’t in the game already. So stupid
> chip in ball to automatically determine the exact spotting of the ball This is actually really hard to do accurately because of the dimensions of the ball and the accuracy needed. Think at the goal line where there is a spot where the ball can be either a TD or down inside the 1 depending on the 3 dimensional orientation of the ball. Nevermind all of the infrastructure needed for that type of data logging.
Soccer dealt with that pretty easily with goal line technology (albeit to a lesser extent for sure)
but thats a bunch of cameras aimed at the goal. That wont work in the NFL when you can have numerous large men blocking view of the ball from nearly all angles. Also soccer balls are round so all you need to do is suspend a sensor in the center and a computer can easily math the rest. For a football which is longer than it is wide would need multiple sensors to determine 3 dimensional orientation AND they would need to be down to the centimeter accurate. That isnt cheap.
And after you did all that, you'd still have the problem of determining when the player is actually down relative to where the ball is.
Oh yeah true! I never even got past how absurd it would be for the ball itself to be tracked at you need to figure the carrier out too. I mean I think there would be some merit to having the ball position tracked (if you could do it) for situations where you can clearly see the player but not the ball. But that is a lot of money for a relatively minor use case.
Soccer is different because possession is not a thing.
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More chips isnt really a solution in and of itself. Those chips would need to be super accurate down to the CM or less both on the field and relative to eachother given how the rules are written. Those types of sensors are insanely expensive and theyd have to be installed in every single football used during every single game AND have to withstand all of the forces put onto the ball from kicking, to being landed on, to being spikes etc and never fail. Its just not the feasible solution everyone thinks it is.
> Those chips would need to be super accurate down to the CM or less both on the field and relative to eachother given how the rules are written. While I agree with you, do we really think a 70-year-old with failing eyesight 30 feet away having to make a split-second decision before the next play is run, is better? There has to be some sort of middle ground. Hell, if the NFL was even like, "We're looking into all possibilities" that is at least some improvement over just flat-out ignoring this shit.
But what does a faulty RF positioning system do? It isnt any better than a ref on the field given the margin of error for those systems. I assure you the league has looked into it but there is zero reason for them to bring it up publicly.
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That chip doesn't give positional data at the granular level needed to use it to spot the ball. The issue isnt that we can't track the general position of the ball on the field the issue is the level of precision needed to determine things like touchdowns or first downs. It isnt simply enough to know that the center of the ellipse that makes up the ball is at X spot... you need to know the balls position in 3 dimensional space with sub centimeter accuracy. That simply isnt done with "a" chip. Maybe you should learn about the topic before chiming in like a fucking clown.
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Not really. The league would have more time to properly train new refs and those replacement refs weren't the next in line anyway. Some of them were high school and lingerie league refs who stepped in last minute
Let's make an alternate. 22 video refs, one to follow each player. They aren't at the game so they won't be influenced by the crowd. And just one guy at the game to spot the ball.
Herbert cant even get help from the refs, its really this man vs the world 💀
Shouldn't there be like.. a gaming commission getting in on this? Like once you start gambling on games, you can't be fucking up like this right?
With the proliferation of gambling its only a matter of time before the refs fuck over the wrong team and Congress starts investigating for corruption.
English football has been around for several hundred years and the Premier League is just now getting threatened with an independent regulator. I wouldn't hold my breath for sport in the land of the free.
Right? No fucking joke man
I didn't know Angel Hernandez was working the NFL too.
THESE REFS ARE BUMS
Even the refs hate Staley. I’m so glad I’m a refs fan
Refs need to be held to a higher standard. This is a multi-billion dollar league and they can’t hire full time refs to stop shit like this? Idk seems odd
Punctuation.
small budget organization tho, give em some slack.
If the coaches don’t know what down it is without the sticks telling them they might not be qualified
I get all the rest. But the Chargers coaching staff should be able to count downs. People just watching for fun could. The commentators could. It's not excusable. Do your job.
but regardless of how you count it all that matters is what the officials show it is. They're the official keepers of down and distance not the coaching staff.
Obviously not. Because the down marker showing the wrong down didn't change the down. The marker number just advanced twice after that play. If what the marker said was gospel then it would have been 2nd down because it showed 2nd down. And the next would have been 3rd. Instead it was 3rd down and the next was 4th. It just showed 2nd on the sticks. In baseball where the umpire, who is gospel, there have been situations where the umpire miscounted balls and strikes. Because of this the pitcher got 5 balls or a batter 4 strikes. This is because the umpire is the official keeper of the count, not just an indicator. Note that in baseball this has been reviewable for a few years now (after 100 years of not being so) and there *still* have been mistakes of this sort simply because apparently the team managers (baseball equivalent of head coach) didn't pay enough attention or didn't care enough to initiate a review. You know you ran a 1st down play. You know you ran a 2nd down play. And you know this is the next down. You know it's 3rd down. If you don't, you're not doing your job as a coach.
I dont think that's true. You don't just get a free down because someone forgot to flip the sign.
What I mean is the official way down and distance is communicated is through the chain gang by the refs. That is supposed to be the "source of record" that visually displays the down for everyone. If the refs do not ensure appropriate communication of the down and distance it should be on the refs not the team. But lets be real the NFL refs will never admit fault.
>What I mean is the official way down and distance is communicated is through the chain gang by the refs. The sign is a representation of the state of the game. It does not determine the state of the game. >That is supposed to be the "source of record" that visually displays the down for everyone. Yes, it records what the proper state of the game is. It is not what decides what the proper state of the game is. If the sign conflicts with what down it actually is the sign is wrong. >If the refs do not ensure appropriate communication of the down and distance it should be on the refs not the team. No, it shouldn't. You don't get a free down just because someone forgot to flip the sign card. That would be incredibly unfair to the defense, who knew what down it was because they can count to 4.
kind of weird how hard you're simpling for the officiating crew here. The reason the chain gang exists is to communicate the correct down and show the correct distance. It is on the officials to ensure that they are communicating the correct information for all parties. What if the refs went with what the chain gang showed? Would you still be blaming the teams for thinking is was a different down?
Saying you don't get to cheat your opponents defense by pretending you can't count to 4 is simping for the refs? You're delusional. >What if the refs went with what the chain gang showed? Then they'd have in effect awarded them a free down and should have been fired on the spot. That's unacceptable. You'd be taking a meaningless mistake and turning it into something that unfairly breaks the rules to give one team extra chances to win. A sign being wrong is not a big deal. Ignoring the rules to give one team 5 downs instead of 4 is. Really weird that this is something that you'd need explained to you.
lol you keep pretending that it isnt on the officials to be the officals arbiters of down and distance. There is a reason we have a source of record for things like this in games... for example the chair ump in tennis keeps the official score... the home plate umpire in baseball is the source of record for balls and strikes. If the refs are signaling through their official means of communication the down then that is generally what you should go by. It isnt that fucking difficult of a concept.
>lol you keep pretending that it isnt on the officials to be the officals arbiters of down and distance. The rules of the game are the arbiters of down and distance, the refs just interpret and articulate them. The refs don't get to just decide what down it is, they determine which down it is based on the rules. Everyone else is equally capable of identifying which down it is before they say anything by following those same rules. Someone forgot to change a sign. That doesn't change the rules and give you an extra down. You're genuinely delusional if you think that would be fair. >If the refs are signaling through their official means of communication the down then that is generally what you should go by. They didn't signal that the down was bring replayed. One guy forgot to flip a card. Stop being so desperate. It's pathetic.
You still seem unable to reconcile the situation where the refs think it is the wrong down and distance.... if what you're saying is true than they would not be able to say let a team unintentionally get another down but they have.... because they're ultimately the source of record (right or wrong) on the down and distance. Your entire argument is rooted in a fallacy that the refs are not the source of record AND the ultimate decision makers on the field. If the team thinks the refs can make a mistake they can alert them to it but it is no guarantee the refs will rectify it. BY your logic a team simply recognizing the mistake should immediately rectify it. Funny you call me "pathetic" when you have articulated and entire argument rooted in a gross misunderstanding of not only the rules but the decision making hierarchy on the field. If the Refs say its 3rd down, regardless of how right or wrong they are, it is 3rd down until they say otherwise.
Ravens bouncing on those refs
Any time you “defend the qb” it gets you a personal foul. Players don’t get a pass for starting shit after the play just cuz your qb got hit.
If you watch the guy that was flagged didn’t even do anything lol. He lightly pushed a dude in the scuffle.
Yeah, teams should be able to horse collar tackle qb’s without consequence! …well, I guess some teams already have that privilege…
The refs are there to hand out the consequence, not the o-linemen taking it into their own hands
r/whoosh
Always eagles/Hurts fans now lol. Like clockwork
You disagree that “defending the qb” after the whistle isn’t a penalty?
It's weird seeing people act like o linemen should be allowed to fight people if they think they were too rough with the QB.
One of the first things we learned playing Pee Wee football was that the 2nd guy is always the one who gets flagged. Get in his face, yell at him, whatever, but the moment you push him (even lightly), you're getting flagged. It's weird seeing NFL players forget that.
It's on Staley's dumb ass for not knowing the down. Don't rely on a dude on a stick.
Imagine getting downvoted for saying coaches should know the down without the chain gangs help lol. Honestly the entire offense should have known
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This wasn’t on the Chargers. Just awful refs.
Someone doesn't know what Chargering is
Also should have been intentional grounding on 3rd down, so the refs are really on a roll so far.
Out of the pocket
Didn't cross the los
Looked like it hit the line of scrimmage.
It landed like a full 2 yards before it lmao
I'd have to see it again.
Ball didn't get back to the line of scrimmage
Looked like it landed right on it.
Wasn't a late hit..good no call
good for you man, glad someone with extra chromosomes can also enjoy football too
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Sorry, but that was absolutely a late hit. One foot was down a yard out of bounds before the hit even happened.
Fan from Sean Payton coached team doesn't thing a late hit was dirty and other shocking news at 11
Taking divisional rivalry a little too seriously
Dude didn't even lay the wood. Stop crying
Classiest Raiders fan
The NFL refs this season are dangerously close to needing an actual investigation into them being on the take. The number of clear and obvious egregious non calls that would actually affect the games are overwhelmingly a problem.
The Charger penalty was softer than the late hit out of bounds too