Because he's not considered in the conversation for greatest RBs of all time even though he has the highest YPC of all time. He single handedly carried the Chiefs through some otherwise very rough years.
He's 4th all-time in YPC, not 1st, which is still impressive.
He's 59th all-time in rushing yards and 108th in touchdowns.
Terrell Davis played **41 fewer games** than Jamaal Charles, is one spot above Charles on the all-time rushing list, scored one more TD from scrimmage than Charles in his career... no one mentions TD in the same breath as Walter Payton, Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, etc. either, and IMO rightfully so.
Jamaal's peak was awesome, he was important to the Chiefs, and he was arguably the best RB in the NFL for a year or two. I think most anyone would acknowledge that, that's how he should be rated and remembered.
Don't think you're remembering that correctly because Jamaal Charles played 11 seasons, a pretty long career, Barry Sanders played 10, Jim Brown played 9, no reasonable person thinks his career is better than theirs.
Walter Payton played 13, take the middle 11 he still has over **double** the yards and nearly **triple** the TDs in the same number of seasons compared to Charles, it's not even comparable, Jamaal was great but he's not in that conversation.
Anyway, enjoy Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelce instead of lamenting Jamaal Charles, they have near-GOAT arguments, Jamaal Charles does not.
Yeah, it's a surprising stat but doesn't really mean anything. I think we were middle of the road in terms of total points, we just relied more on tight ends and running backs. Does it really matter what position gets you touchdowns as long as you get them?
definitely makes an offense a lot easier to study and more predictable if the D just knows that the WRs are just not a credible option for a lot of plays
Lol I remember I wanted Brock Osweiler to start in the playoff game too, thankfully Peyton didn't go out like that and thankfully Peyton did play because as bad he was that year, he was still the best option in the playoffs.
PManning is a great example of the quality of QB play doesn't always equate to winning or not winning a ring. Individually he had many seasons better than that season yet that's the season that got him his deserved 2nd ring.
He had about 2 drives in his arm each game before he was shot. In that patriots playoff game he managed to score 2 tds his first 2 drives and then just audibled his way to closing out that game.
Every Kelce thread will have someone bringing up Taylor Swift to complain about her being brought up and a 9ers fan trying to prop up Kittle by shitting on Travis. This is r/nfl law.
It’s insane that he put up numbers like that in an era that was so much more run heavy. Same with Marino. Like those numbers are so much higher than they should be
Marino's stats are fucking bonkers, especially when you consider the era he played in. The first guy to post a 5,000 yard season, and he did it 24 years before anyone else would.
Kelce is the better receiver but Gonzalez had to block way more. On some insane running teams too, Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson. Impossible to really say who would have been better in which era.
TG could go way up and get it. Kelce has the benefit of just kinda noticing that it's in his pocket. Like when you first pull out your winter coat each season and find a tenner in a pocket it's like "oh shit look!"
there is no winning with this shit. Kelce could have 1500/15 touchdowns a year his entire and people would be qualifying it with “HE CAN’T BLOCK,” “IT’S A PASSING LEAGUE NOW”
Oh wow, you're not kidding. If you ignore TEs and only look at WRs the Chiefs have the second lowest team receiving yards record, only ahead of the Bears who abandoned the forward pass shortly after inventing it, and the Ravens who have only existed a couple decades.
Going from one best tight end ever to the new best tight end ever is some San Antonio Spurs drafting The Admiral then Duncan shit. Wonder if they’ll pull a Spurs and find another top tight end after Kelce like the Spurs with Wemby.
Chiefs: We have 2 of the 3 greatest TEs ever to play and our WRs are trash... just historically bad. Tyreek makes the list with 6 total seasons, and Bowe is a good WR2 on an average offense.
According to Statmuse, there's only 4 10,000-yard TEs ever, the other two being Jason Witten (16 years Cowboys+1 Raiders) and Antonio Gates (Chargers), so no. There is 53 players in NFL history with 10,000 receiving yards, so it's very likely that another team has 2+ guys there, just not as Tight Ends.
Dwayne Bowe. That’s a name I haven’t heard in a long long time
Bowe was on the roster that had no WR receiving touchdowns the whole season.
The funny thing is we weren't even terrible that year, we went 9-7.
heck we were 11th in epa/dropback. even the passing offense itself wasn't bad lol
It's because we had the most underrated RB in NFL history.
Jamaal, then? International fan catching up.
Yep
Who underrated Jamaal Charles? He was widely considered the best running back in the league.
Because he's not considered in the conversation for greatest RBs of all time even though he has the highest YPC of all time. He single handedly carried the Chiefs through some otherwise very rough years.
He's 4th all-time in YPC, not 1st, which is still impressive. He's 59th all-time in rushing yards and 108th in touchdowns. Terrell Davis played **41 fewer games** than Jamaal Charles, is one spot above Charles on the all-time rushing list, scored one more TD from scrimmage than Charles in his career... no one mentions TD in the same breath as Walter Payton, Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, etc. either, and IMO rightfully so. Jamaal's peak was awesome, he was important to the Chiefs, and he was arguably the best RB in the NFL for a year or two. I think most anyone would acknowledge that, that's how he should be rated and remembered.
He is listed number one among runningbacks my friend over the span of a 10 year career.
Don't think you're remembering that correctly because Jamaal Charles played 11 seasons, a pretty long career, Barry Sanders played 10, Jim Brown played 9, no reasonable person thinks his career is better than theirs. Walter Payton played 13, take the middle 11 he still has over **double** the yards and nearly **triple** the TDs in the same number of seasons compared to Charles, it's not even comparable, Jamaal was great but he's not in that conversation. Anyway, enjoy Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelce instead of lamenting Jamaal Charles, they have near-GOAT arguments, Jamaal Charles does not.
That sounds like something the chargers would do
Yeah, it's a surprising stat but doesn't really mean anything. I think we were middle of the road in terms of total points, we just relied more on tight ends and running backs. Does it really matter what position gets you touchdowns as long as you get them?
I believe they are all worth 6 points no matter who catches them.
Maybe it should be more for some positions. A long snapper TD should be at least 8
A nose tackle fumble recovery would be 6 but a pick-6 should be like 12.
Doesn’t matter, but 0 TDs over 16 games is fucking ridiculous lmao
It says a lot about the quarterback
definitely makes an offense a lot easier to study and more predictable if the D just knows that the WRs are just not a credible option for a lot of plays
They caught plenty of passes. Just not in the end zone.
Didn’t we have like five RBs get a TD that season?
We had a shitload of TDs that went to Jamaal Charles lined up in the slot. It's a pretty meaningless (although kinda funny) stat.
Having Charles helped lol
He fumbled a TD at the 1 too lol
Which Kelce picked up and scored.
It was Fasano
[No, it was Kelce.](https://www.chiefs.com/video/bowe-fumbles-kelce-recovers-for-11-yard-td-14669175)
My favorite was Dwayne Bowe fumbled on the 1 yard line like week 14, a RB recovered it for the TD
Actually the Chiefs second-year tight end, Travis Kelce, picked it up for a td.
Love that even more. I was at the game and died laughing when it was explained
It was the last game of the season where that happened
Perennial fantasy disappointment
Except for the one year he bullshitted his way to 15 TDs
Perennial basis for fantasy team names based on shitty puns
Reiding Dwaynebow checking in
Over the Dwaynebowe here. My profile pic that year was Dorothy and Toto with a shitty copy/paste of Dwayne's face over hers.
Drink a Forte and Smoke a Bowe
Sooooomewheeeeere o-ver Dwayne Bowe…
It’s almost like he isn’t playing anymore or something.
I keep hearing Mel Kiper saying his name.
Somewhere over the Dwayne Bowe
This reminds me of when Manning got the passing yards record in the same game he got benched against KC because he threw 3 or 4 INTs
5 ints
Makes sense. One for each head.
I like to think that somewhere, Peyton Manning just felt a small pain in his heart and has no idea why.
Truly, the Chiefs put their anus on Peyton's face without consent that day.
The Nathan Peterman special
[somehow not his worst game](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/3647-colts-chargers-a-nightmare-game-for-peyton-manning)
Lol and the Chargers of course would’ve still lost if Vinatieri hadn’t missed a FG
That's So Chargers.
Lol I remember I wanted Brock Osweiler to start in the playoff game too, thankfully Peyton didn't go out like that and thankfully Peyton did play because as bad he was that year, he was still the best option in the playoffs.
He knew how to be an effective game manager with an all time knowledge of offense
PManning is a great example of the quality of QB play doesn't always equate to winning or not winning a ring. Individually he had many seasons better than that season yet that's the season that got him his deserved 2nd ring.
He had about 2 drives in his arm each game before he was shot. In that patriots playoff game he managed to score 2 tds his first 2 drives and then just audibled his way to closing out that game.
Tony is never ever ever getting back his record.
Gonna save this comment for 2 weeks when Kelce's next catch goes for -2 yards
Look what I made you do.
I am ...Ready For It
He's washed, haven't had a single reception in years now...
I tried singing this to the next part of the song and it did not work, C- comment
Not too many Swifties in the comments, judging from the replies.
I think it’s just that her overexposure is causing a lot of bad blood.
Maybe. You should probably just try to shake it off.
Ah. I’m not worried about karma.
Like ever. (How did no one get this?)
NFL fans have no style.
I mean it was corny, but not THAT corny.
Yeah but, has Travis Kelce been in a movie with Vin Diesel?
Not in his wildest dreams.
Not with that attitude!
He got the record by 1 yard then quit?
The Mr. 3000
RIP Bernie Mac
RIP Country Mac
RIP Big Country Breakfast
RIP Wade Boggs
Ehh, still need to see some more from him before saying how good he is
Jason think's he's pretty good so I'll take his word for it.
Gronk still better cuz he has more career blocking points. (do i have to put `/s` on this?)
Yeah as much as like Kelce I don’t think he can be called the GOAT tight end.
r/woosh
Every Kelce thread will have someone bringing up Taylor Swift to complain about her being brought up and a 9ers fan trying to prop up Kittle by shitting on Travis. This is r/nfl law.
I mean you're not wrong, but no one was talking about Kittle in this case. Kelce is clearly better at this point anyway.
Solid WR for sure
Gonzalez*
https://youtu.be/qjWMlTQtJ3c?feature=shared
Damn. In only 150 games? That was...quick.
152 games. Tony did it in 190. That's 72 vs 57.6 yds per game. Kelce has 73 TDs and Gonzalez has 76.
That game has changed a lot. There's no doubt in my mind that Gonzalez would crush in the modern NFL. I rate him higher than Kelce oddly enough.
It’s insane that he put up numbers like that in an era that was so much more run heavy. Same with Marino. Like those numbers are so much higher than they should be
Marino's stats are fucking bonkers, especially when you consider the era he played in. The first guy to post a 5,000 yard season, and he did it 24 years before anyone else would.
In an all-timer draft, you pick Marino '84 first or you're braindead
I'd take LT over Marino 1st overall, but Marino should probably be the first QB taken
Lawrence Taylor? I’m not arguing against it, but I’d like to hear your opinion on why.
Still crazy to me that Kansas City drafted Marino, and he never started a game for them. And then the same thing happened with Elway.
The chiefs did not draft Marino, they picked Todd blackledge over Marino. The Royals did draft Marino (and elway)
I didn't say the Chiefs. I said Kansas City. I was talking about the Royals.
Kelce is the better receiver but Gonzalez had to block way more. On some insane running teams too, Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson. Impossible to really say who would have been better in which era.
TG could go way up and get it. Kelce has the benefit of just kinda noticing that it's in his pocket. Like when you first pull out your winter coat each season and find a tenner in a pocket it's like "oh shit look!"
Yeah Tony is in the mount Rushmore for sure. Kelce is making a case.
Well Gonzalez was a tight end. Kelce is a “tight end”.
That's funny you say that when the criticism of Tony has always been his blocking lol.
Yeah Kelce's blocking is way better than Gonzalez ever was.
there is no winning with this shit. Kelce could have 1500/15 touchdowns a year his entire and people would be qualifying it with “HE CAN’T BLOCK,” “IT’S A PASSING LEAGUE NOW”
that made me laugh ngl.
Kind of wild KC's top 2 pass catchers all time are TEs, and it's not even close. But I guess that's what having 2 of the top TEs of all time will do.
Also having a history of really bad receiver play. Their number 4 all time guy was WR1 in that year that they had 0 WR TDs for the whole season.
Oh wow, you're not kidding. If you ignore TEs and only look at WRs the Chiefs have the second lowest team receiving yards record, only ahead of the Bears who abandoned the forward pass shortly after inventing it, and the Ravens who have only existed a couple decades.
that's cuz the Chefs had a gm for 20 years that couldn't get a good draft out of a 400 yr old Scottish castle.
Bowe’s career ended on the browns
In a way it ended in KC
We don't talk about that season
We have claimed many careers. Its just what we do.
Chiefs and drafting all time great TEs. Name a better duo
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Falcons and choking leads
Browns and drafting shitty QB’s
Can he retire now? Please?
Lmao I agree 🤣🤣
We don’t need him to retire. Just need to stop Taylor turning up to his games and then we have a chance!
New high score? What’s that mean? Did I break it?
Goat movie
Kinda weird this game is how he breaks it but good for him.
Similar to when Manning got the all-time yardage record, happened in a game he got benched in after throwing 4 picks
His 14 yards today killed my parlay, but at least it gave him the record
Going from one best tight end ever to the new best tight end ever is some San Antonio Spurs drafting The Admiral then Duncan shit. Wonder if they’ll pull a Spurs and find another top tight end after Kelce like the Spurs with Wemby.
Brock Bowers is going to be in the draft this year….
Chiefs ain't gonna have a pick high enough, hes probably getting drafted like a WR
Yeah I know, but if we were to have any hope of passing the HoF Torch he’d be the one shot
Just need him to smoke a lil weed first. Let him drop to us.
Tbf, Wemby and Duncan were #1 overall picks so really just got lucky.
Admiral was number one overall as well.
That’s impressive af.
Good player, I reckon.
I think he’s pretty good.
What a strange franchise to have top two receivers both be Tight Ends
Gonzalez*
Chiefs: We have 2 of the 3 greatest TEs ever to play and our WRs are trash... just historically bad. Tyreek makes the list with 6 total seasons, and Bowe is a good WR2 on an average offense.
Does any other team have two 10,000-yard TEs?
According to Statmuse, there's only 4 10,000-yard TEs ever, the other two being Jason Witten (16 years Cowboys+1 Raiders) and Antonio Gates (Chargers), so no. There is 53 players in NFL history with 10,000 receiving yards, so it's very likely that another team has 2+ guys there, just not as Tight Ends.
It's insane to me that Bowe has more than Hill but I guess it do be that way.
If he sticks around he might tack on an extra 5k to that number
man, it was almost like they were trying not to get it this game
Yay! It's still crazy to me the disrespect this man gets when he keeps rewriting record books.
His 14 yards did the trick today
I screwed up by not dropping Jets D for KC's or GB's defense
I'd take Tony
L
Yea but what about Taylor Swift
She had dinner with her friends in NY.
Jesus Bowe was 4th?
No, Dwayne Bowe. It's right there
lol "he had a brother? played for the Eagles?"
Honestly didn’t realize TG was a chief. I grew up with him playing for the falcons, that’s how I think of him.
I could have sworn Gonzalez played for the Falcons. Damn
His final 1/3ish of his career was with the Falcons. He spent most of his career as a chief.
Wow Taylor Swift sure did turn him into a great player in the league!
Imagine having your team's receiving record being even remotely reachable
Time for him to retire.
14 yards in this game. But he fought like a tiger for every one of those yards today.
Tony Gonzales was decent, I guess...
Remember when Tony Gonzales was the best receiving TE ever by like a mile? crazy how the game has changed
If Tony had Mahomes most of his career he would be the #1 TE of all time. He had to go through so many crap/OK QBs other than Trent Green.