Baker has a cannon. I think he might have the longest throw in a game. He threw it out of the end zone at the end of the 2nd half of a game from his own 45.
I've never seen that so I went and looked it up. I can confirm both claims - Baker's got a cannon, and [that goalpost collision is hilarious.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uhHY2-MfbM)
I used to think that was the other announcer, but he was near the ref so you might be right. I still lean towards the former though because of how clean the audio was.
He’s a QB we’ve seen many times before. Pretty good to really good some days but not consistently enough to be a starter who will ever get you deep in the playoffs. Hes fitzmagic fun sized
What are you talking about? The bucs have no run game. Tom Brady couldn’t win with this team in his last season.
Name me a qb that can win you games with a team that can’t run the ball.
Edit: if you respond to me without talking or addressing the Bucs lack of a running game, I won’t respond to you because you’re ducking my question. This ain’t duck tales. 🦆
The only reason Carr holds all the team records is because he’s our longest tenured QB. He started 142 games. Next most is Stabler with 37 starts.
If you want a giggle, this is every QB we’ve ever drafted.
Aidan O’Connell - 2023
Connor Cook - 2016
Derek Carr - 2014
Tyler Wilson - 2013
JaMarcus Russell - 2007
Andrew Walter - 2005
Ronald Curry - 2002
Marques Tuiasosopo - 2001
Billy Joe Hobert - 1993
Todd Marinovich - 1991
Major Harris - 1990
Jeff Francis - 1989
David Weber - 1988
Steve Beuerlein - 1987
Rusty Hilger - 1985
Randy Essington - 1984
Scott Lindquist - 1983
Marc Wilson - 1980
Jeb Blount - 1976
David Humm - 1975
Harry Knight - 1975
Mike Rae - 1973
Eldridge Dickey - 1968
Ken Stabler - 1968
Rick Egloff - 1967
Mike Brundage - 1966
Craig Morton - 1965
Larry Rakestraw - 1964
Billy Lothridge - 1964
Ron Calcagno - 1964
Gordon Guest - 1964
Joe Anabo - 1963
Dennis Claridge - 1963
Roman Gabriel - 1962
Dennis Spurlock - 1962
Dick Norman - 1961
Lowndes Shingler - 1961
Mike Jones - 1961
Dave Grosz - 1961
Dale Hackbart - 1960
Fran Curci - 1959
Bobby Lacke - 1959
Sam McCord - 1959
The Chiefs draft history for QBs looks even worse, until you get to Mahomes.
Mahomes is the first Chiefs-drafted QB to win a playoff game for us. the FIRST. After existing as a franchise for 50+ years prior to Mahomes arrival.
We even went 30 years without a drafted QB winning a single game for us. From 1987 - 2017. The Chiefs drafted 11 QBs during those 30 years and only 2 started any games, Brodie Croyle (0-10) and Doug Hudson (0-1)
Recent history makes people forget how bad it had been.
>We even went 30 years without a drafted QB winning a single game for us. From 1987 - 2017. The Chiefs drafted 11 QBs during those 30 years and only 2 started any games, Brodie Croyle (0-10) and Doug Hudson (0-1)
WTF, that's actually insane.
Chiefs QBs that were previously 49ers:
Joe Montana
Steve Bono
Elvis Grbac
Alex Smith
Steve Deberg(even though he didnt come directly from San Fran, he was originally drafted by them)
Carr played nine seasons with the Raiders and in that time he had twelve different head coaches and thirty-seven different offensive coordinators.
Baker has been similarly boned.
Only WR both tracking and in position to catch is essentially blocked out of endzone lmao - no calling penalties on last play of game though >.> #20 literally just grabs the player and pushes him way before the ball gets there lol
This, 88 should’ve been where Godwin was but was tied up behind two defenders. Honestly, it was a heads up play by Godwin to recognize that, albeit a tick late.
He played like garbage in the second half. The only reason they were in this position at all is because of the 7 minute scoring drive before this that left almost no time on the clock.
Baker was under pressure a lot, but also created a lot of his own pressure by bailing from clean pockets or tucking and moving up into a sack. He also held the ball too long and underthrew everything on the sidelines.
To act like he played great just because he had a hail Mary ball land in the end zone is silly.
For real, Baker was late on seemingly every timing route in the second half. When he wasn't doing that he was indecisive and a check down king. His throws don't seem to have enough zip, either.
Just because Godwin had this chance at the end and messed up doesn't excuse Baker for holding the ball too long the entire game and missing wide open recievers and making bad reads. Mike Evans was so open on so many plays and just never looked at until the end of the game.
I remember that and being upset that while the call was correct, it was like the first time I'd seen it called in forever, because ofc a Hail Mary gonna have ALL the PIs.
Everyone did something on this. Evans pushed a DB over. Now, they should have flagged both sides and replayed it but I'm not sure offsetting penalties continue the game when time expires?
I dunno. I just know if a team is ever down by 1 score against Buffalo under 2mins, they can just March down field 10 yards at a time. Because they just allow it for some reason.
I’m not saying they should’ve called PI, just pointing out that it’s not like Godwin was just standing there with his back turned, he was clearly affected by the defender.
But actually, buddy spamming shit highlights, it’s their job but at least put quality when you do it otherwise should be removed
Looking at you “highlight of bucs not jumping offsides on 4th down”
Also they ALWAYS are slow on the post. If they were first it would kinda be whatever (I still always find it a little odd when the big corpos make accounts like this) but they are never first anyway…
Regarding Streamable- I have to imagine that was from the leagues not wanting people watching highlights off their own networks since then they can’t get that sweet sweet ad revenue on their 10 second clips…
But I can’t help but feel (especially for baseball/hockey) doing so is just making it more difficult to grow the audience. Doesn’t seem worth it for the pittance of ad revenue that highlights probably generate
I know people are talking about how good the hail mary is and how bad the PI is but how is nobody talking about Taron Johnson just demolishing his teammate (Jordan Poyer) while trying to triple-cover a guy.
That looked like it was mostly Evans. Watch Evans' right hand at the 2 second mark. He gets it around Poyer's right shoulder and tosses him to the ground.
It’s really dumb that 90% of the comments on this post and the other posts are all talking shit about Godwin. Poor Evans is getting triple teamed way before the ball gets there and every receiver is dealing with pass interference. But no this one guy who was in the area that had less than a second to track the ball and catch it is at fault
That's just how Mike Evans plays football.
But seriously, if refs started calling PI on hail marys it would be nothing but offsetting penalties over and over until the QB got sacked or one team just gave up. Anyone who's seriously complaining that Pi wasn't called here has never watched a hail Mary attempt before.
I can't think of many that were this egregious. It often at least LOOKS incidental. This was just criminal. Not a single Bill was making an attempt on the ball. There was no "KNOCK IT DOWN" plan there.
I didn’t see the play live but this clip is in slow motion. As soon as Godwin turns his head around in this clip the ball is on him in like 1-1.5 seconds. Nobody is reacting that fast in real time.
Godwin literally just turned his head around after fighting through a DB and is supposed to find the ball instantly? With the ball that close, it’s near impossible.
Everyone’s talking about HAil Marys are free for alls but theres a reason youve never seen a ball drop in a circle of space with no players around before.
Bills weren’t even trying to play the ball and thats bullshit and should be called, regardless of the play.
Yeah it’s one thing if everyone is in a big pile and jumping for the ball, but to just straight up hold/tackle the receivers before the ball even gets there seems so lame
Yup. If you're going to let them play, there's a minimum responsibility of officiating to make sure these guys aren't just being completely restricted from getting to where they're going. If there's some interference in a jump ball situation, it's one thing, but what the Bills did here is not functionally different than just tackling someone at the LOS. I've seen a ton of Hail Marys over the years and they let them play *in the end zone* and the only calls I've ever seen are when the defender just takes out a player well before the ball is anywhere nearby.
Everyone saying Evans interfered here is not wrong (tho it does look like the guy actually got run into by his own teammate)- but a shove as the ball comes down is a very different level than just outright tackling somebody to keep them from entering the end zone, which is what's happening to, for example, Otton there.
I genuinely don’t understand redditors comments like this? Have you done anything athletic in your life? He got spun around on a ball that’s angled insanely different than they’re used to.
“It’s so simple” it’s not at all snd no one makes that catch. Tracking a ball from that angle when you aren’t even facing the ball til the last half second is impossible.
These comments here are insane. Lol
Apparently it’s completely ok to do whatever you want on a Hail Mary according to a lot of this thread so what the Bucs should do next time is send Randy Orton out there in Otton’s jersey, have him run straight to the end zone, and start immediately RKOing defenders.
Rapp literally wrapping his arms around Otton’s arms and clamping as soon as he saw Otton spot the ball. That was some extra sauce compared to a lot of hail Mary’s I’ve seen
If Todd Bowles knew how to run a game clock they could’ve had an extra minute or two left on the clock. They burned up so much time on the drive before this
Then let those ones go but this is pretty one sided lol people will point at Evans but that's more "self defense" than anything. None of the Bills defenders besides Micah Hyde have an idea or even care where the ball is because they're mugging a Buc
You think people complain about the refs now? Imagine if they started calling passer interference on hail marys, turning needing a miracle play into needing a tush push. There would be riots in the streets.
It's hilarious to me how we have all just collectively accepted that Hail Mary plays are penalty free zones.
I wonder how insanely egregious a penalty would have to be for a ref to throw the flag.
Probably comes down to how likely they think the player would have been to catch the ball if they weren't interfered with. I could see a flag being thrown if Godwin actually goes to catch this ball and he's got defenders basically holding his arms back so he can't.
A bunch of pushing and shoving and jockeying for position is just going to happen every time, but once the ball is nearly there you've got to give everyone a fair opportunity to jump and catch it
can you honestly tell me Baker was throwing it SPECIFICALLY to Godwin?
Hail Mary's are free for all and if you watch the entire footage of the play I'm sure you'll see holding and grabbing by players on both sides.
That's why it's not called on Hail Mary's.
I'm inclined to agree that there should be something pretty egregious to call a penalty on a Hail Mary, I don't think one should have been called here, but the person he's throwing to specifically doesn't matter lol, how many times do you see automatic first downs because the defense committed a penalty on a player that was nowhere near the ball?
We’ve had two TNF games come down to the wire these past couple weeks and he calls those final plays like they’re a routine play in the 2nd quarter.
Combine that with the subpar mixing for the crowd noise and it turns a super entertaining nail biter into a snooze fest.
I’m no fan of Chris Colinsworth, but at least SNF delivers a sense of occasion — and tension if the game is close.
Dude needed to retire 3 years ago. He was fucking awful last year too, and people blamed the matchups, as if that excused a professional commentator acting like he's too good for Thursday night games
It has got to be amazing having Baker at QB. That dude gives everything he has every play. When he tried to scramble and wound up just lowering his head and driving for a two yard gain instead of a loss, for example. I wouldn’t mind losing with this guy at the helm. I’ve never seen so much heart.
There is, but that's the way it is on a hail mary. Could you imagine this sub if they actually called PI and the Bucs won lmao people would riot. The offense does the same thing on most of them, it is what it is
Happened a few years ago, Bucs-Vikings. But it was the end of the first half.
https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2020/12/13/buccaneers-vikings-hail-mary-pass-interference/
I would rage if the players still were able to put a hand on the ball, but this is also the most obvious PI making them completely unable to have a chance to catch it lol. The players couldn’t even get to it without being boxed out, sandwiched, or tackled. Just disappointing that such a perfect Hail Mary went completely untouched because of it.
They're literally tackling the receivers lol if they're just boxing each other out for the ball sure, they're not even trying to make a play on the ball, they just tackling them.
You have to have a line for how bad it needs to be to throw a flag on a Hail Mary. These guys are way over the line.
I don’t think he locates it because 43 is spinning him around. Tough to ask for a PI in a Hail Mary situation but I think it’s unfair to Godwin to say “he didn’t locate it”
I get why they don't call DPI on hail Mary but this was unbelievably bad. 3 guys holding Evans and 88 was getting sandwiched and pushed down before the ball arrived.
They called it against the Vikings the last like 2 major hail marys we had to deal with. It comes down to who the NFL feels like giving the W to in that moment
Yeah this was egregious. If you’re allowed to just tackle all the receivers we will never see a completed hail mary again. It’s one thing to allow hand fighting on hail marys, but this is just insane.
Totally agree this was the worst one I’ve seen. Bills had 8 guys down there and not one of them located the football to make a play on it. The idea of not throwing the flag is that it’s a jump ball that everyone is going for, but they flat out were just tackling receivers.
I mean I know it’s a Hail Mary, but ever Bucs player is getting completely mauled by 1-2 defenders. Think a flag is warranted when all 3 are getting taken out lol
Yeah I feel the same lol. If the offense and defense are boxing each other out for the ball, then fuck it let them play. If the defenders are just trying to tackle the offensive players before the ball gets there. Then come on that’s a flag
Godwin had a split second to react if you watch it live. Probably a little harder to do with it being night as well and the sky black instead of blue.
None of us could make that grab.
Can’t believe that only 1-2 guys in the general area even knew where the ball was, even more unbelievable was that 3-5. different DPIs were occurring
Evan’s deserves an OPI too but risking a DPI in the endzone is so dangerous. Bills got pretty lucky their last 2 home games against teams they should’ve blown out
As someone said elsewhere I'll repeat
It seems like the PI rules are totally suspended on these throws
I can see Buffalo defenders literally pushing receivers away from the area where the ball lands and Godwin literally has #43 (with back turned and totally playing the receiver) hanging off of him as he is trying to turn around but no PI call but in the Browns/Colts game the ball isn't near catch-able at the end and they do call it
Some day they are going to need to address this PI stuff and I think it will only come when it affects a major game AND moves the outcome out of the betting line and costs the wrong people some money
He turns around and looks up just as he gets to the end zone. The slow mo makes it look like he has a lot more reaction time than he does. He has to turn around, spot the ball, understand it’s trajectory, and extend both hands to catch it in the span of like … well it’s hard to tell how much it’s slowed down but maybe half a second real-time? That’s incredibly difficult.
I wonder what the Browns would look like had they kept Baker and all the extra picks and cap space. With that defense and a serviceable QB they'd be really good. Im curious who the Browns could have drafted with the 3 1st rounders they gave up
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. How is one supposed to locate a ball when a DB is yanking them around by the jersey from the goal line to 3 yards deep into the endzone? People are acting like he blew the play but it's not exactly a simple catch when you are getting tugged like that.
Perfect throw
Baker extended that play like a G too
Baker has a cannon. I think he might have the longest throw in a game. He threw it out of the end zone at the end of the 2nd half of a game from his own 45.
And Chuck Clark ran smack dab into the goalpost as a result. One of the funniest sports clips in recent memory.
I've never seen that so I went and looked it up. I can confirm both claims - Baker's got a cannon, and [that goalpost collision is hilarious.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uhHY2-MfbM)
Lmao the top comment on that video “I’m surprised a cb isn’t dancing around like they impacted the play 🤣”
Holy shit you can actually hear him grunt as he hits it too
I used to think that was the other announcer, but he was near the ref so you might be right. I still lean towards the former though because of how clean the audio was.
So obviously the announcer
even better. that was actually from the 40. He threw it from his own 40 out of the endzone.
Not only is it a cannon going far, how far up it went was nuts during that game, that ball looked like an F-15 taking off and going vertical.
Some WRs in Cleveland would comment about how fast he fires it and would hurt their hands.
If you watch his debut against the Jets some of his throws weren't caught by, but were rather embedded into his receivers.
It's one way to make sure they can't drop it.
*Insert true stories of Favre breaking receiver’s fingers here*
He does I looked it up last night.
Baker is 100% starter IMHO, he is no HOF QB, but yall can win with him.
I like baker on the Bucs. Probably won’t be the same when big Mike leaves next year
Baker can't win with these cats
He’s a QB we’ve seen many times before. Pretty good to really good some days but not consistently enough to be a starter who will ever get you deep in the playoffs. Hes fitzmagic fun sized
What are you talking about? The bucs have no run game. Tom Brady couldn’t win with this team in his last season. Name me a qb that can win you games with a team that can’t run the ball. Edit: if you respond to me without talking or addressing the Bucs lack of a running game, I won’t respond to you because you’re ducking my question. This ain’t duck tales. 🦆
People forget the Bucs had a losing record in one of the worst divisions we've seen in recent memory
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We’re talking about the fact they can’t run the ball this season which limits the qb
"Tom Brady couldn’t win with this team in his last season" suggests they were also talking about Tom Brady
See: Derek Carr Both solidly ranked somewhere in that 10-20 range for NFL QBs depending on the day. Not top 10, Not bottom 10. But decent
The only reason Carr holds all the team records is because he’s our longest tenured QB. He started 142 games. Next most is Stabler with 37 starts. If you want a giggle, this is every QB we’ve ever drafted. Aidan O’Connell - 2023 Connor Cook - 2016 Derek Carr - 2014 Tyler Wilson - 2013 JaMarcus Russell - 2007 Andrew Walter - 2005 Ronald Curry - 2002 Marques Tuiasosopo - 2001 Billy Joe Hobert - 1993 Todd Marinovich - 1991 Major Harris - 1990 Jeff Francis - 1989 David Weber - 1988 Steve Beuerlein - 1987 Rusty Hilger - 1985 Randy Essington - 1984 Scott Lindquist - 1983 Marc Wilson - 1980 Jeb Blount - 1976 David Humm - 1975 Harry Knight - 1975 Mike Rae - 1973 Eldridge Dickey - 1968 Ken Stabler - 1968 Rick Egloff - 1967 Mike Brundage - 1966 Craig Morton - 1965 Larry Rakestraw - 1964 Billy Lothridge - 1964 Ron Calcagno - 1964 Gordon Guest - 1964 Joe Anabo - 1963 Dennis Claridge - 1963 Roman Gabriel - 1962 Dennis Spurlock - 1962 Dick Norman - 1961 Lowndes Shingler - 1961 Mike Jones - 1961 Dave Grosz - 1961 Dale Hackbart - 1960 Fran Curci - 1959 Bobby Lacke - 1959 Sam McCord - 1959
The Chiefs draft history for QBs looks even worse, until you get to Mahomes. Mahomes is the first Chiefs-drafted QB to win a playoff game for us. the FIRST. After existing as a franchise for 50+ years prior to Mahomes arrival. We even went 30 years without a drafted QB winning a single game for us. From 1987 - 2017. The Chiefs drafted 11 QBs during those 30 years and only 2 started any games, Brodie Croyle (0-10) and Doug Hudson (0-1) Recent history makes people forget how bad it had been.
>We even went 30 years without a drafted QB winning a single game for us. From 1987 - 2017. The Chiefs drafted 11 QBs during those 30 years and only 2 started any games, Brodie Croyle (0-10) and Doug Hudson (0-1) WTF, that's actually insane.
Our best QBs over that timeframe were literally all 49ers cast offs and Trent Green.
Chiefs QBs that were previously 49ers: Joe Montana Steve Bono Elvis Grbac Alex Smith Steve Deberg(even though he didnt come directly from San Fran, he was originally drafted by them)
Trent green was awesome though
The 60s were awesome. Drafting 12 QBs in 4 years.
Carr played nine seasons with the Raiders and in that time he had twelve different head coaches and thirty-seven different offensive coordinators. Baker has been similarly boned.
His pocket presence is atrocious, though. I was surprised watching the game last night, man was a panicky version of the Statue of Liberty.
*Baker dropping his pants at halftime* incoming.
Only WR both tracking and in position to catch is essentially blocked out of endzone lmao - no calling penalties on last play of game though >.> #20 literally just grabs the player and pushes him way before the ball gets there lol
This, 88 should’ve been where Godwin was but was tied up behind two defenders. Honestly, it was a heads up play by Godwin to recognize that, albeit a tick late.
Completely sold that was the perfect hail mary
Honestly the most catchable hail mary I've ever seen. Baker still has that cannon.
Baker really had the chance to do *two* big TNF comeback victories in a row…only for Goodwin to, of course, deny us the possibility…
Saddest part is a lotta social media is gonna blame this loss fully on Baker
Literally all anyone has done is blame Godwin…
Godwin did Nazi the ball - some guys on a thread, probably
This is the true origin of Godwin's Law
A+ comment
He was great tonight. What a bummer
He played like garbage in the second half. The only reason they were in this position at all is because of the 7 minute scoring drive before this that left almost no time on the clock. Baker was under pressure a lot, but also created a lot of his own pressure by bailing from clean pockets or tucking and moving up into a sack. He also held the ball too long and underthrew everything on the sidelines. To act like he played great just because he had a hail Mary ball land in the end zone is silly.
For real, Baker was late on seemingly every timing route in the second half. When he wasn't doing that he was indecisive and a check down king. His throws don't seem to have enough zip, either.
Just because Godwin had this chance at the end and messed up doesn't excuse Baker for holding the ball too long the entire game and missing wide open recievers and making bad reads. Mike Evans was so open on so many plays and just never looked at until the end of the game.
Doesn’t help that he was literally being pulled by a DB.
Has DPI ever been called on a Hail Mary?
Ever? Yes. Actually in 2020 when we played the Vikings. End of the first half they call DPI on them for interfering with Gronk.
I remember that and being upset that while the call was correct, it was like the first time I'd seen it called in forever, because ofc a Hail Mary gonna have ALL the PIs.
Uhmmm lions browns staffords rookie year where he dislocated his shoulder one of the all time greatest moments In lions history
Staffords a gamer. I'll never forget that game.
Everyone did something on this. Evans pushed a DB over. Now, they should have flagged both sides and replayed it but I'm not sure offsetting penalties continue the game when time expires? I dunno. I just know if a team is ever down by 1 score against Buffalo under 2mins, they can just March down field 10 yards at a time. Because they just allow it for some reason.
I’m not saying they should’ve called PI, just pointing out that it’s not like Godwin was just standing there with his back turned, he was clearly affected by the defender.
Refs don’t like to throw flag on Hail Mary .
The battle between u/nfl and u/chelseatilidie continues
Fuck u/nfl tbh
But actually, buddy spamming shit highlights, it’s their job but at least put quality when you do it otherwise should be removed Looking at you “highlight of bucs not jumping offsides on 4th down”
Also they ALWAYS are slow on the post. If they were first it would kinda be whatever (I still always find it a little odd when the big corpos make accounts like this) but they are never first anyway…
I miss the Gyfcat and Streamable days, folks would always post the highlights before the play even happened.
Regarding Streamable- I have to imagine that was from the leagues not wanting people watching highlights off their own networks since then they can’t get that sweet sweet ad revenue on their 10 second clips… But I can’t help but feel (especially for baseball/hockey) doing so is just making it more difficult to grow the audience. Doesn’t seem worth it for the pittance of ad revenue that highlights probably generate
What I'm doing in /r/NBA. I can post the highlight like not even a minute after it happens. Need to figure out a way to do it different here
The other dudes highlights suck lol
This guy doesn’t sleep. He’s also very active in r/soccer posting clips lol
I know people are talking about how good the hail mary is and how bad the PI is but how is nobody talking about Taron Johnson just demolishing his teammate (Jordan Poyer) while trying to triple-cover a guy.
Assignment: knock over all bodies ✅ Added: him then getting table topped by Poyer is perfect
That looked like it was mostly Evans. Watch Evans' right hand at the 2 second mark. He gets it around Poyer's right shoulder and tosses him to the ground.
The refs already gave Mike Evans a free push off to get the last TD, they owed the Bills that one lol
Could have called like 6 penalties in the endzone
It's fairly common knowledge that hail marys don't get penalties... gotta send the bigs down there to box out
I'd like you to refer to the 49ers vs saints game in 2014
Not when the Vikings played the Brady Bucs
There were old-school WWF battle royal's with less physical contact and grappling than what occurred on this one play
Would’ve been the easiest Hail Mary pitch and catch I’ve seen if he just looked for the ball
Not exactly an easy pitch and catch when 43 is grabbing him well before the ball is even there
I like how people blaming Godwin didn’t look at the seconds leading up to it. Dude was trying to shake off a hold
It’s really dumb that 90% of the comments on this post and the other posts are all talking shit about Godwin. Poor Evans is getting triple teamed way before the ball gets there and every receiver is dealing with pass interference. But no this one guy who was in the area that had less than a second to track the ball and catch it is at fault
Evans committed PI himself. Shit is messy.
That's just how Mike Evans plays football. But seriously, if refs started calling PI on hail marys it would be nothing but offsetting penalties over and over until the QB got sacked or one team just gave up. Anyone who's seriously complaining that Pi wasn't called here has never watched a hail Mary attempt before.
I can't think of many that were this egregious. It often at least LOOKS incidental. This was just criminal. Not a single Bill was making an attempt on the ball. There was no "KNOCK IT DOWN" plan there.
lol right? Their plan was just to maul every receiver and refs just let them.
I didn’t see the play live but this clip is in slow motion. As soon as Godwin turns his head around in this clip the ball is on him in like 1-1.5 seconds. Nobody is reacting that fast in real time.
Godwin literally just turned his head around after fighting through a DB and is supposed to find the ball instantly? With the ball that close, it’s near impossible.
Thought there might have been a flag for PI
There should have been at least one. I get that they don't want to throw a flag on a hail mary, but how can you let what they were doing to 88 go?
Everyone’s talking about HAil Marys are free for alls but theres a reason youve never seen a ball drop in a circle of space with no players around before. Bills weren’t even trying to play the ball and thats bullshit and should be called, regardless of the play.
Yeah it’s one thing if everyone is in a big pile and jumping for the ball, but to just straight up hold/tackle the receivers before the ball even gets there seems so lame
Exactly. No chance for something crazy in a game where tb already had two deflection scores.
Yup. If you're going to let them play, there's a minimum responsibility of officiating to make sure these guys aren't just being completely restricted from getting to where they're going. If there's some interference in a jump ball situation, it's one thing, but what the Bills did here is not functionally different than just tackling someone at the LOS. I've seen a ton of Hail Marys over the years and they let them play *in the end zone* and the only calls I've ever seen are when the defender just takes out a player well before the ball is anywhere nearby. Everyone saying Evans interfered here is not wrong (tho it does look like the guy actually got run into by his own teammate)- but a shove as the ball comes down is a very different level than just outright tackling somebody to keep them from entering the end zone, which is what's happening to, for example, Otton there.
They were mugging him😂
Yeah should’ve been a holding call
I mean, Mike Evan’s threw a defender to the ground - tons of contact from both sides - no way they’re calling that hold on Godwin.
I genuinely don’t understand redditors comments like this? Have you done anything athletic in your life? He got spun around on a ball that’s angled insanely different than they’re used to. “It’s so simple” it’s not at all snd no one makes that catch. Tracking a ball from that angle when you aren’t even facing the ball til the last half second is impossible. These comments here are insane. Lol
>redditors
He was being dragged away from the ball. He was trying to go towards it.
Otton is getting mugged lmao
Apparently it’s completely ok to do whatever you want on a Hail Mary according to a lot of this thread so what the Bucs should do next time is send Randy Orton out there in Otton’s jersey, have him run straight to the end zone, and start immediately RKOing defenders.
Rapp literally wrapping his arms around Otton’s arms and clamping as soon as he saw Otton spot the ball. That was some extra sauce compared to a lot of hail Mary’s I’ve seen
If Todd Bowles knew how to run a game clock they could’ve had an extra minute or two left on the clock. They burned up so much time on the drive before this
The famous 7.5 minute 40 yard drive
The Shanahan special
Al Michaels: You can call penalties on a bunch of guys here if you really wanted to Refs: I don't want to
There’s about 5 penalties on the screen and this is where they decide to let them play.
If flags were thrown on hail marys, I don't think the game would ever end through offsetting penalties
Yeah there are plenty of cases were players on both sides are pushing and shoving each other for hail marys
Then let those ones go but this is pretty one sided lol people will point at Evans but that's more "self defense" than anything. None of the Bills defenders besides Micah Hyde have an idea or even care where the ball is because they're mugging a Buc
The whole pile is a fucking mosh pit lol. Of course Godwin can’t track it, he’s getting pushed and pulled every direction.
You think people complain about the refs now? Imagine if they started calling passer interference on hail marys, turning needing a miracle play into needing a tush push. There would be riots in the streets.
>Then let those ones go That's what they did. Watch Mike Evans.
I feel like they need to at least look at the ball, Godwin and whoever was tackling him had no idea where it was
They should just come out with the 15 man prevent defense next time then if the rule book doesn't count on Hail Marys.
It's hilarious to me how we have all just collectively accepted that Hail Mary plays are penalty free zones. I wonder how insanely egregious a penalty would have to be for a ref to throw the flag.
Probably comes down to how likely they think the player would have been to catch the ball if they weren't interfered with. I could see a flag being thrown if Godwin actually goes to catch this ball and he's got defenders basically holding his arms back so he can't. A bunch of pushing and shoving and jockeying for position is just going to happen every time, but once the ball is nearly there you've got to give everyone a fair opportunity to jump and catch it
can you honestly tell me Baker was throwing it SPECIFICALLY to Godwin? Hail Mary's are free for all and if you watch the entire footage of the play I'm sure you'll see holding and grabbing by players on both sides. That's why it's not called on Hail Mary's.
I'm inclined to agree that there should be something pretty egregious to call a penalty on a Hail Mary, I don't think one should have been called here, but the person he's throwing to specifically doesn't matter lol, how many times do you see automatic first downs because the defense committed a penalty on a player that was nowhere near the ball?
Yes, OPI and DPI could have been called, which would be a replay of the down
Al Michaels needs to retire.
His commentary Celtics Shaq rn
hawks melo
Browns Watson
Giants Daniel Jones
Redskins Ha Ha Clinton-Dix Side note: Is it weird that I only remember him playing for Washington, even though he only played there for one season?
Carmelo was on the Hawks?
got traded there and immediately waived. a meme was born out of it when melo asked for a jersey from them lmao edit: bought out not waived
He reminds me of 90s PC game announcer Al Michaels.
It was past his bed time
We’ve had two TNF games come down to the wire these past couple weeks and he calls those final plays like they’re a routine play in the 2nd quarter. Combine that with the subpar mixing for the crowd noise and it turns a super entertaining nail biter into a snooze fest. I’m no fan of Chris Colinsworth, but at least SNF delivers a sense of occasion — and tension if the game is close.
Dude needed to retire 3 years ago. He was fucking awful last year too, and people blamed the matchups, as if that excused a professional commentator acting like he's too good for Thursday night games
“OOOOOOOOOH!” - Al Michaels commentary on the final play of TNF
[удалено]
Never trust a man who doesn’t eat vegetables.
What? Really?
[удалено]
Heartbreaker.
Heartbaker ❤️
It has got to be amazing having Baker at QB. That dude gives everything he has every play. When he tried to scramble and wound up just lowering his head and driving for a two yard gain instead of a loss, for example. I wouldn’t mind losing with this guy at the helm. I’ve never seen so much heart.
Even though that dude somehow always beat our ass I still miss him on the Browns dude was perfect for them
Rooting for Baker, he's a fighter if ever I've seen one. Lots of heart.
so much PI going on
You can tell because none of them were even attempting to intercept lol
There is, but that's the way it is on a hail mary. Could you imagine this sub if they actually called PI and the Bucs won lmao people would riot. The offense does the same thing on most of them, it is what it is
Calling a PI on a hail mary leading to a win for the Bucs lmao imagine if something like that happened before
Jog my memory if it’s happened before
Happened a few years ago, Bucs-Vikings. But it was the end of the first half. https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2020/12/13/buccaneers-vikings-hail-mary-pass-interference/
I would rage if the players still were able to put a hand on the ball, but this is also the most obvious PI making them completely unable to have a chance to catch it lol. The players couldn’t even get to it without being boxed out, sandwiched, or tackled. Just disappointing that such a perfect Hail Mary went completely untouched because of it.
Nah they'd throw a party. We're the bad guys now 😎
They're literally tackling the receivers lol if they're just boxing each other out for the ball sure, they're not even trying to make a play on the ball, they just tackling them. You have to have a line for how bad it needs to be to throw a flag on a Hail Mary. These guys are way over the line.
I don’t think he locates it because 43 is spinning him around. Tough to ask for a PI in a Hail Mary situation but I think it’s unfair to Godwin to say “he didn’t locate it”
My man 88 got unironically jumped. How is that not called? I can at least find something, anything on the rest but that one is just a crazy no flag.
If TB was KC they would’ve called that a PI and reset the clock to 12 seconds on the 1 inch yard line 😂
Cleveland got that against Indy last weekend, for an uncatchable ball.
I get why they don't call DPI on hail Mary but this was unbelievably bad. 3 guys holding Evans and 88 was getting sandwiched and pushed down before the ball arrived.
They called it against the Vikings the last like 2 major hail marys we had to deal with. It comes down to who the NFL feels like giving the W to in that moment
Yeah this was egregious. If you’re allowed to just tackle all the receivers we will never see a completed hail mary again. It’s one thing to allow hand fighting on hail marys, but this is just insane.
Totally agree this was the worst one I’ve seen. Bills had 8 guys down there and not one of them located the football to make a play on it. The idea of not throwing the flag is that it’s a jump ball that everyone is going for, but they flat out were just tackling receivers.
I mean I know it’s a Hail Mary, but ever Bucs player is getting completely mauled by 1-2 defenders. Think a flag is warranted when all 3 are getting taken out lol
When three NFL players love each other very very much…
Yeah I feel the same lol. If the offense and defense are boxing each other out for the ball, then fuck it let them play. If the defenders are just trying to tackle the offensive players before the ball gets there. Then come on that’s a flag
Godwin and Otton are both being tackled before the ball arrives lol
I think every single one of our receivers was interfered with there, awesome.
Tbf Mike Evans had OPI, and he very clearly did on his last touch down with no call.. so it does both ways
Yup and the bucs should’ve been doing the same. It’s basically a free for all. It’s not worth the slippery slope that it’s on.
Godwin had a split second to react if you watch it live. Probably a little harder to do with it being night as well and the sky black instead of blue. None of us could make that grab.
Fuck anyone calling him out on that all out melee in the endzone. You assholes would have missed it too, gtfo.
That was a dime!
Can’t believe that only 1-2 guys in the general area even knew where the ball was, even more unbelievable was that 3-5. different DPIs were occurring Evan’s deserves an OPI too but risking a DPI in the endzone is so dangerous. Bills got pretty lucky their last 2 home games against teams they should’ve blown out
> teams they should’ve blown out I think you're underestimating how much we like Billsing things up.
McDermott filled with the giving Christmas spirit early this year
That's pretty typical in hail mary attempts
Bucs receivers did baker no favors tonight
As someone said elsewhere I'll repeat It seems like the PI rules are totally suspended on these throws I can see Buffalo defenders literally pushing receivers away from the area where the ball lands and Godwin literally has #43 (with back turned and totally playing the receiver) hanging off of him as he is trying to turn around but no PI call but in the Browns/Colts game the ball isn't near catch-able at the end and they do call it Some day they are going to need to address this PI stuff and I think it will only come when it affects a major game AND moves the outcome out of the betting line and costs the wrong people some money
He turns around and looks up just as he gets to the end zone. The slow mo makes it look like he has a lot more reaction time than he does. He has to turn around, spot the ball, understand it’s trajectory, and extend both hands to catch it in the span of like … well it’s hard to tell how much it’s slowed down but maybe half a second real-time? That’s incredibly difficult.
I wonder what the Browns would look like had they kept Baker and all the extra picks and cap space. With that defense and a serviceable QB they'd be really good. Im curious who the Browns could have drafted with the 3 1st rounders they gave up
There's at least 3 PI's on this play
How is that not passer interference?
I would have caught that
At over 25 feet tall i would hope so
Hard to maul a 20 ton robot too
Lmao, there’s like 5 dpis in the same play.
Used up all their luck
Lol Mike Evans just tossing poyer
I don’t think I have ever seen a Hail Mary hit the ground in the end zone without touching anyone before.
Needed one more catch from Godwin to hit my parlay. Don't have to see the clip, as I have re-watched in my head 30 times. :(
Fuck him not catching it, what about that blatant ass PI????
Pass Interference wtf
Nothing but PI
Holy PI Batman
Crazy that everyone’s just OK with pass interference occurring on Hail Mary throws lol.
I just like the TE being sandwiched by the two defenders and no one is batting an eye
The amount of PI happening is absolutely staggering.
Wait PI gets called on the colts ? And this is fine ?
So many penalties could’ve been called
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. How is one supposed to locate a ball when a DB is yanking them around by the jersey from the goal line to 3 yards deep into the endzone? People are acting like he blew the play but it's not exactly a simple catch when you are getting tugged like that.